Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:47 AM - Re: Re Amazing Opportunity (R. Saarinen)
2. 03:00 AM - Unrolling aluminum (Richard T. Perry)
3. 04:02 AM - Re: 701 Fuel Tanks - Home made vs. ZAC (John Flavin)
4. 05:11 AM - Re: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity (Michel Therrien)
5. 06:23 AM - Source of Aluminum and 601 XL Materials List (William Dominguez)
6. 06:58 AM - Wingtip Glass Fibre (Jonathan Starke)
7. 07:10 AM - Re: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 07:17 AM - Re: Wingtip Glass Fibre (Phil Maxson)
9. 07:31 AM - Re: 601 XL Materials List - 0.016" vs. 0.020" (N5SL)
10. 07:33 AM - Re: Wingtip Glass Fibre (Jonathan Starke)
11. 07:53 AM - Re: Wingtip Glass Fibre (Paul Mulwitz)
12. 08:40 AM - Re: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity (Steve Freeman)
13. 08:41 AM - Re: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity (Steve Freeman)
14. 08:51 AM - Re: Re Amazing Opportunity (Steve Freeman)
15. 09:16 AM - Re: Rolling 4x12 sheets of 6061-T6 (Robert Schoenberger)
16. 09:52 AM - Re: Source of Aluminum and 601 XL Materials List (kevinbonds)
17. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: 601 XL Materials List - 0.016" vs. 0.020" (kevinbonds)
18. 10:07 AM - Re: Source of Aluminum and 601 XL Materials List (kevinbonds)
19. 11:18 AM - Forged Pistons/Clearances on Corvair Engines (Clyde Barcus)
20. 11:25 AM - post test ()
21. 01:29 PM - 701 Unusable Fuel (Bima, Martin)
22. 01:50 PM - Re: 601XL Rotax cowling experience? (Thilo Kind)
23. 01:56 PM - Re: Re Amazing Opportunity (R. Saarinen)
24. 02:06 PM - Re: 701 Unusable Fuel (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
25. 02:36 PM - Another Source of Aluminum (Randy L. Thwing)
26. 03:11 PM - 701 gas tanks ()
27. 03:26 PM - Re: Another Source of Aluminum (ron wehba)
28. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL Materials List - 0.016" vs. 0.020" (William Dominguez)
29. 05:07 PM - Re: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts (Jeff Davidson)
30. 09:28 PM - Re: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity (Fred Kirkland)
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| Subject: | Re: Re Amazing Opportunity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "R. Saarinen" <sales@steelframe.com.au>
G,Day Steve, Yes it is a HD
Yes I got the photos, looks OK, A few questions
What is the make of PSR ?
Is the subaru motor made up by Stratas or others ?
Did you build from a kit or scratch build ?
Did you use the dome rivet system or standard avex rivets ?
I am in a group that is building seven 601 HD,s
Yes please send all photos you have of the plane.
I shall go up to my hangar now & measure the length my plane
to see if it will go into a 20ft container if I take the motor off.
Regards again
Ron Saarinen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Freeman" <stefree601@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re Amazing Opportunity
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Freeman <stefree601@yahoo.com>
>
> HI Ron,
>
> I have e-mailed you some pics. PLease let me know if you did not receive
> them
>
> Steve
>
> "R. Saarinen" <sales@steelframe.com.au> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "R. Saarinen"
>
> Steve,
>
> If your project is as you say, I shall take it at your asking price of US
> $12,000.
> Can you please e-mail me photos? & get back to me ASAP.
>
> I am just about finished a scratch built 601
>
> Also I shall have to import the aircraft to Australia, but that is no
> problem.
>
> I am Fair dinkum : & not a tyre kicker
>
> Regards
> Ron Saarinen
> sales@steelframe.com.au
>
> Web site www.steelframe.com.au
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Unrolling aluminum |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
>My question
>is, how difficult it is to make it flat after it have
>been rolled, it would be easier for me to store it
>flat.
William - as others have alluded to, this typically isn't a problem. In my
experience as an A&P, all sheets of aluminum greater than about 2 x 2 are
shipped rolled in about a 2 foot x 2 foot by "width of the sheet" size box
(maybe even smaller than 2 x 2, I never actually measured one). Never had a
problem with them unrolling or laying flat eventually. I suppose you could
look up the plastic deformation limits of the alloy and figure it out,
but...it's probably not worth your time.
The comments are right, though - there will be a fair amount of energy
stored in the roll - I'd cut the tape and stand back a bit. It's kinda like
uncoiling a bandsaw blade (without the teeth, though :
)
Most shops I've worked in have racks for aluminum, stored vertically on the
long edge. This keeps most "crud" (shavings, sand, rivet tails, loose
children, whatever) from getting between the sheets and scoring up the
alclad layer when you pull it out for use. So you're definitely on the right
track.
Regards,
Richard T. Perry perryrt@hotmail.com
"Fraser, there's a guy on my corner who asks me every
morning if I've seen God; do you really think he
expects me to point Him out?"
"Well, you know, Ray, if you did, perhaps he'd stop
asking."
Ray Vecchio and Benton Fraser, "Hawk and a Handsaw", Due_South
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Fuel Tanks - Home made vs. ZAC |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Flavin <jflavin@intrex.net>
**
*
"I was looking at my fuel tanks and noticed that I had installed the
outlets a little too high - centerline about 20-25 mm from bottom of
tank.
Could some of you with ZAC tanks and homemade tanks e-mail me with your
bottom to centerline of outlet dimension. I am afraid that I have
created a lot of unusable fuel in the tanks."*
*<>I measured the distance from the bottom of the tank to the center of
the fuel outlet on my ZAC-provided tanks (both regular and Aux) at 19
mm. It leaves a little unusable fuel, but any less and you would start
running into edge distance problems cutting the outlet holes through the
ribs and such.
John Flavin
CH701 30%
Raleigh, NC
**
*
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| Subject: | Re: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
There are days when we have good news such as a new
"first flight" and there are days we get messages like
this one. I just saw this this morning.
Steve, when I started my project, your involvement,
through your web site was a source of inspiration and
profound help for me. I was consulting your web
site every day and your construction log was
invaluable.
I am sorry that you have to abandon this project.
Regards,
Michel
do not archive
--- Steve Freeman <stefree601@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Freeman"
> To:
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing
> Opportunity
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Freeman
> >
> >
> > Hi List,
> >
> > I have been quiet for quite some time as life has
> just gotten too crazy,
> with a return to school (MBA) kids and work. To top
> it off I have just
> received a job offer that will be forcing me to
> relocate from Phoenix,
> Arizona to San Diego, California.
> >
> > Because of this, and the speed with which all of
> this is going to happen,
> I am offering up my 90% completed 601-hds, WITH
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| Subject: | Source of Aluminum and 601 XL Materials List |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Thanks to all the respondents.
Hi Bill, I noticed your posting on the Zenith List
and was wondering if you would share your new source
of aluminum.
The aluminum supplier I mentioned is McKinsey Steel
and Supply of Fl., Inc. http://www.mckinseysteel.com/
located in Ft. Lauderdale. I will later post my
experience with them.
Would you mind sharing your bill of materials list
for the Z601XL with me?
Yes I will, in the meanwhile I have an estimate of all
the sheet metal cost based on the part layout that you
can download at www.CH601.org (essential to any
scratch builder). Here it is, the prices for .016 .063
.090 .125 are from Aircraft Spruce because I dont
have the McKinsey price of them.
ACS McKin
Dimen Thicknes Quantity Price Price Total
4X12 .016 5 88.75 443.75
4X8 .016 1 53.625 53.625
4X12 .025 10 44 440
4X8 .025 2 30 60
4X12 .032 1 62.4 62.4
4X4 .032 1 21.12 21.12
4X12 .040 1 71 71
2X4 .063 1 33.122 33.122
1X1 .090 1 22.406 22.406
1X1 .125 1 29.916 29.916
Totals: 24 1237.40
William Dominguez
Miami, Florida
Plansbuild 601XL, Hopefully a Corvair if not, a Jabiru
3300
.001% done, bending stabilizer ribs
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| Subject: | Wingtip Glass Fibre |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke" <jonathan@entry.co.za>
Hi all wise ones,
I am trying to fit the Glass Fibre Tip on my right hand side wing, and well
it does not fit very well, if the top is aligned with the top front skin,
then the bottom skin kicks upward at the front of the spar, and Visa Versa.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thnx
Jonathan Starke
Zodiac XL (75% done, 90% to go)
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| Subject: | 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Jim I think you would be much better off buying a complete flying HDS
than going that route....As it happens mine will be for sale in the next
3 to 6 months and is almost an identical spec to this one...:)
Frank
HDS, Stratus with Ram heads 360 hours.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pellien
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Steve,
Is there a mechanic at KDVT who would be capable and willing to
completely finish the aircraft including test flights?
Jim Pellien
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Freeman" <stefree601@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Freeman
> --> <stefree601@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi List,
>
> I have been quiet for quite some time as life has just gotten too
> crazy,
with a return to school (MBA) kids and work. To top it off I have just
received a job offer that will be forcing me to relocate from Phoenix,
Arizona to San Diego, California.
>
> Because of this, and the speed with which all of this is going to
> happen,
I am offering up my 90% completed 601-hds, WITH Subaru EA-81 engine,
full firewall forward package (cowl, warp drive 3 blade prop), full VFR
instrumentation, comm, wheel pants, wing tanks and header, strobes,
intercom, GPS, landing and taxi lights, aileron and elevator trim, mac
grips, dual battery system and much more for the crazy price of $12,000
firm. I easily have $30,000 invested in this plane but I do not want to
leave this project behind for my wife to deal with after I move. She
will have enough to do moving the rest of our household to California
and taking care of our kids!
>
> I can give a couple of references for builders who are familiar with
> my
work, you can be assured the build quality is good, but the catch to
this crazy deal is it has to be done fast, preferably before I move to
San Diego on August 7th.
>
> This plane has enough left to do where someone who wants a taste of
building won't be disapointed, but all major components are done. Aside
from detail work, paint and interior the only major item remaining is
the canopy.
>
> The canopy is also the only additional piece that would need to be
purchased by a potential buyer. I had tried doing a modification that
did not work out and I damaged the canopy in the process.
>
> I will not negotiate the $12,000 price and I will not consider any
> funky
funding. This is a cash deal only, and an amazing one at that. I can
help arrange for transportation but it is solely the responsibility of
the buyer to get the plane from my hangar at KDVT to your location.
>
> First offer of 12K get's it. I am not interested in a bidding war for
> a
few hundred bucks. I will take a 25% deposit (not refundable on a
backout, so be serious) on a legitimate offer if it will take someone a
little while to get their finances together. I will be traveling back
and forth to Phoenix for a few months so we can arrange for a pickup
after the Aug. 7 date I noted above.
>
> If you are interested, or know someone who might be, please contact me
> off
list only at 602-628-7000 or stefree@qwest.net. It might sound self
serving, but this really is the deal of the day. The engine alone is
worth $7,000, not to mention the airframe!
>
> Thanks guys. It breaks my heart to do this, but my life priorities
> have
changed.
>
> Steve Freeman
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
>
>
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| Subject: | Wingtip Glass Fibre |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
I'm not a "wise one", but I've been there before.
I had great difficulty getting all the fiberglass pieces to fit (stabilizer
and wing tips). I found that if you use a heat gun and slowly heat up the
pieces you can gently re-shape them. If you go too fast you'll get bubbles
in the finished surface, but slowly you can get it done. Cloth gloves help
also. Once in place they will pretty much hold their shape.
Hope this helps,
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
>From: "Jonathan Starke" <jonathan@entry.co.za>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Wingtip Glass Fibre
>Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:57:41 +0200
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke" <jonathan@entry.co.za>
>
>Hi all wise ones,
>
>I am trying to fit the Glass Fibre Tip on my right hand side wing, and well
>it does not fit very well, if the top is aligned with the top front skin,
>then the bottom skin kicks upward at the front of the spar, and Visa Versa.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Materials List - 0.016" vs. 0.020" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
This has been brought up before, but may deserve mentionining again - .020" can
be less expensive, is easier to handle and may provide a better finished product
with little weight gain. Larry McFarland pointed this out to me just prior
to ordering a big order for my fuselage and it was a big help to me. After
handling the .016" for the tail section, the .020" I used on the fuselage was
a big improvement.
DO NOT ARCHIVE (It's already there).
Scott Laughlin
601XL / Corviar
Waiting on Prop Hub.
www.cooknwithgas.com
William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez
Thanks to all the respondents.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Wingtip Glass Fibre |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke" <jonathan@entry.co.za>
Hi Phil,
Thnx for the tip, I thought I was the only one that stuggled with the Fibre
Glass bits!
>I had great difficulty getting all the fiberglass pieces to fit (stabilizer
and wing tips). I found that if you use a >>heat gun and slowly heat up the
pieces you can gently re-shape them. If you go too fast you'll get bubbles
in the finished surface, but slowly you can get it done. Cloth gloves help
also. Once in place they will pretty much hold their shape.
>Hope this helps,
>Phil Maxson
>601XL/Corvair
>Northwest New Jersey
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip Glass Fibre |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
>I am trying to fit the Glass Fibre Tip on my right hand side wing, and well
>it does not fit very well, if the top is aligned with the top front skin,
>then the bottom skin kicks upward at the front of the spar, and Visa Versa.
I have been fighting a similar battle with the stabilizer tip on my
XL. After reading some information on the EAA site I learned we are
not alone. Apparently it is typical for fiberglass parts to need
major adjustment before use.
One important trick is to bend the fiberglass to fit. If you heat it
to near boiling water temperature it will bend and hold its shape
when cool - just like any plastic part. My favorite way to bend it
is to use a heat gun of the paint stripper variety. Use it carefully
so you don't start the plastic on fire.
To get the shape you want it may help to make plywood forms and use
them to press the hot plastic against something like your
workbench. If you hold it for a minute or so the plastic will cool
and keep its shape.
One big challenge is the fact that as you bend the fiberglass the
"Bottom" will not remain flat -- it will reform its shape to use up
the material connected to the bent area. To get it flat to fit the
metal rib I have had great luck with a plywood form the same outline
as the rib. If you drill and cleco the fiberglass to the plywood
form so as much of the fiberglass matches the flat wood and the
remaining fiberglass hangs over the edge then you can use a grinder
to get rid of the excess fiberglass. Of course, grinding the
fiberglass will put lots of silica dust in the air. It is important
to your health not to breath this stuff or get it on your skin, so
use protective clothing and a good dust mask.
Good luck!
Paul Mulwitz
601 XL - barely started (waiting a long time for the wing kit)
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
---------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Freeman <stefree601@yahoo.com>
Thanks Frank!
Steve
"Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
Jim I think you would be much better off buying a complete flying HDS
than going that route....As it happens mine will be for sale in the next
3 to 6 months and is almost an identical spec to this one...:)
Frank
HDS, Stratus with Ram heads 360 hours.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pellien
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien"
Steve,
Is there a mechanic at KDVT who would be capable and willing to
completely finish the aircraft including test flights?
Jim Pellien
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Freeman"
Subject: Zenith-List: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Freeman
> -->
>
>
> Hi List,
>
> I have been quiet for quite some time as life has just gotten too
> crazy,
with a return to school (MBA) kids and work. To top it off I have just
received a job offer that will be forcing me to relocate from Phoenix,
Arizona to San Diego, California.
>
> Because of this, and the speed with which all of this is going to
> happen,
I am offering up my 90% completed 601-hds, WITH Subaru EA-81 engine,
full firewall forward package (cowl, warp drive 3 blade prop), full VFR
instrumentation, comm, wheel pants, wing tanks and header, strobes,
intercom, GPS, landing and taxi lights, aileron and elevator trim, mac
grips, dual battery system and much more for the crazy price of $12,000
firm. I easily have $30,000 invested in this plane but I do not want to
leave this project behind for my wife to deal with after I move. She
will have enough to do moving the rest of our household to California
and taking care of our kids!
>
> I can give a couple of references for builders who are familiar with
> my
work, you can be assured the build quality is good, but the catch to
this crazy deal is it has to be done fast, preferably before I move to
San Diego on August 7th.
>
> This plane has enough left to do where someone who wants a taste of
building won't be disapointed, but all major components are done. Aside
from detail work, paint and interior the only major item remaining is
the canopy.
>
> The canopy is also the only additional piece that would need to be
purchased by a potential buyer. I had tried doing a modification that
did not work out and I damaged the canopy in the process.
>
> I will not negotiate the $12,000 price and I will not consider any
> funky
funding. This is a cash deal only, and an amazing one at that. I can
help arrange for transportation but it is solely the responsibility of
the buyer to get the plane from my hangar at KDVT to your location.
>
> First offer of 12K get's it. I am not interested in a bidding war for
> a
few hundred bucks. I will take a 25% deposit (not refundable on a
backout, so be serious) on a legitimate offer if it will take someone a
little while to get their finances together. I will be traveling back
and forth to Phoenix for a few months so we can arrange for a pickup
after the Aug. 7 date I noted above.
>
> If you are interested, or know someone who might be, please contact me
> off
list only at 602-628-7000 or stefree@qwest.net. It might sound self
serving, but this really is the deal of the day. The engine alone is
worth $7,000, not to mention the airframe!
>
> Thanks guys. It breaks my heart to do this, but my life priorities
> have
changed.
>
> Steve Freeman
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Freeman <stefree601@yahoo.com>
Hi Michel,
Thank you for your kind words. This is not an easy decision on the emotional or
financial side of the balance sheet. But life changes and we have to roll with
it. I didn't think anyone remembered the web site!
Blue skys and wind at your tail!
Thanks,
Steve
Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien
There are days when we have good news such as a new
"first flight" and there are days we get messages like
this one. I just saw this this morning.
Steve, when I started my project, your involvement,
through your web site was a source of inspiration and
profound help for me. I was consulting your web
site every day and your construction log was
invaluable.
I am sorry that you have to abandon this project.
Regards,
Michel
do not archive
--- Steve Freeman wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Freeman"
> To:
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing
> Opportunity
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Freeman
> >
> >
> > Hi List,
> >
> > I have been quiet for quite some time as life has
> just gotten too crazy,
> with a return to school (MBA) kids and work. To top
> it off I have just
> received a job offer that will be forcing me to
> relocate from Phoenix,
> Arizona to San Diego, California.
> >
> > Because of this, and the speed with which all of
> this is going to happen,
> I am offering up my 90% completed 601-hds, WITH
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| Subject: | Re: Re Amazing Opportunity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Freeman <stefree601@yahoo.com>
Hi Ron,
It is a Straus motor built by Reiner Hoffman. I have built from a kit using the
standard pop rivets in all areas except where called for. I will have to e-mail
pictures from home as I am at my office now and don;t have access to the
files.
Oh, one other note of interest, I have the Rocky Mountian Engine digital monitoring
system as well. very cool. Also, taskem digital altimeter, electric artificial
horizon, analog airspeed, analog climb/descent, as well as digital on
taskem.
I believe the plane should easily fit into a 20ft container with engine and wings
off.
Let me know. There are 4 people expressing interest in this project now that have
contacted me off list. As I wrote in original message I will not get into
a bidding situation. the first person to commit funds get's the deal.
Steve
"R. Saarinen" <sales@steelframe.com.au> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "R. Saarinen"
G,Day Steve, Yes it is a HD
Yes I got the photos, looks OK, A few questions
What is the make of PSR ?
Is the subaru motor made up by Stratas or others ?
Did you build from a kit or scratch build ?
Did you use the dome rivet system or standard avex rivets ?
I am in a group that is building seven 601 HD,s
Yes please send all photos you have of the plane.
I shall go up to my hangar now & measure the length my plane
to see if it will go into a 20ft container if I take the motor off.
Regards again
Ron Saarinen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Freeman"
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re Amazing Opportunity
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Freeman
>
> HI Ron,
>
> I have e-mailed you some pics. PLease let me know if you did not receive
> them
>
> Steve
>
> "R. Saarinen" wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "R. Saarinen"
>
> Steve,
>
> If your project is as you say, I shall take it at your asking price of US
> $12,000.
> Can you please e-mail me photos? & get back to me ASAP.
>
> I am just about finished a scratch built 601
>
> Also I shall have to import the aircraft to Australia, but that is no
> problem.
>
> I am Fair dinkum : & not a tyre kicker
>
> Regards
> Ron Saarinen
> sales@steelframe.com.au
>
> Web site www.steelframe.com.au
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rolling 4x12 sheets of 6061-T6 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Bill . . . it goes flat immediately so that's no problem. The point about
it unrolling quickly (by itself if it gets away from you) is a very valid
point. Think of it as a coiled spring wound tight. This can be dangerous,
but also can cause bends in the sheet. I strongly suggest you have a
helper and that you both wear safety goggles. I myself would keep it rolled
up. Spring clamps at either end are good for keeping it in a roll, with a
piece of rope tied around the middle. Robert Schoenberger 701
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Source of Aluminum and 601 XL Materials List |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Hey William
Beware your parts list may be out of date since the recent updates zenith
has made to the 601XL. The fuselage side skins and bottom are now .025
instead of .016. You should need two less sheets of .016 and 2 more of .025.
Hope I caught you in time.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Dominguez
Subject: Zenith-List: Source of Aluminum and 601 XL Materials List
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Thanks to all the respondents.
Hi Bill, I noticed your posting on the Zenith List
and was wondering if you would share your new source
of aluminum.
The aluminum supplier I mentioned is McKinsey Steel
and Supply of Fl., Inc. http://www.mckinseysteel.com/
located in Ft. Lauderdale. I will later post my
experience with them.
Would you mind sharing your bill of materials list
for the Z601XL with me?
Yes I will, in the meanwhile I have an estimate of all
the sheet metal cost based on the part layout that you
can download at www.CH601.org (essential to any
scratch builder). Here it is, the prices for .016 .063
.090 .125 are from Aircraft Spruce because I dont
have the McKinsey price of them.
ACS McKin
Dimen Thicknes Quantity Price Price Total
4X12 .016 5 88.75 443.75
4X8 .016 1 53.625 53.625
4X12 .025 10 44 440
4X8 .025 2 30 60
4X12 .032 1 62.4 62.4
4X4 .032 1 21.12 21.12
4X12 .040 1 71 71
2X4 .063 1 33.122 33.122
1X1 .090 1 22.406 22.406
1X1 .125 1 29.916 29.916
Totals: 24 1237.40
William Dominguez
Miami, Florida
Plansbuild 601XL, Hopefully a Corvair if not, a Jabiru
3300
.001% done, bending stabilizer ribs
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Materials List - 0.016" vs. 0.020" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Mark
Just a note. The updated plans use .025 for the fuse bottom and side skins.
I'm sure you knew that already. But what you may not know is that ZAC has
done away with all those "fuselage side gussets" 6B3-5 with the update. I
guess they are not needed with the thicker skin.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL Materials List - 0.016" vs. 0.020"
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
This has been brought up before, but may deserve mentionining again - .020"
can be less expensive, is easier to handle and may provide a better finished
product with little weight gain. Larry McFarland pointed this out to me
just prior to ordering a big order for my fuselage and it was a big help to
me. After handling the .016" for the tail section, the .020" I used on the
fuselage was a big improvement.
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| Subject: | Re: Source of Aluminum and 601 XL Materials List |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Hey William
Beware your parts list may be out of date since the recent updates zenith
has made to the 601XL. The fuselage side skins and bottom are now .025
instead of .016. You should need two less sheets of .016 and 2 more of .025.
Hope I caught you in time.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Dominguez
Subject: Zenith-List: Source of Aluminum and 601 XL Materials List
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Thanks to all the respondents.
Yes I will, in the meanwhile I have an estimate of all
the sheet metal cost based on the part layout that you
can download at www.CH601.org (essential to any
scratch builder). Here it is, the prices for .016 .063
.090 .125 are from Aircraft Spruce because I dont
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| Subject: | Forged Pistons/Clearances on Corvair Engines |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
Recently I read a posting on the need for additional clearance when using forged
pistons. I purchased the compete set, Cylinders, forged pistons & chrome rings
a few weeks ago from Clark's Corvair so I called them and ask about clearances.
I was told they add .0005 to the standard clearance and have never had a
problem, I don't remember who posted that information but he was evidently right.
Clyde Barcus
601XL, Corvair Power
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <car_vau@msn.com>
car_vau@msn.co<mailto:car_vau@msn.co> trying to post first msg. test. vaughn carl
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| Subject: | 701 Unusable Fuel |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Last night I decided to see how much unusable fuel there actually was in
each tank by filling them with water - 1 liter at a time until it
started flowing out the drain. Each tank was placed level (fore to aft)
at tilted at the wing dihedral (2%).
The 4 tanks varied from 2 to 3 liters for a total 3.2 usg or just over
20 lbs.
Is this reasonable for an ultralight or should I start cutting holes to
install lower drains?
Appreciate your opinions.
Martin
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Rotax cowling experience? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi trev,
I have pretty much the same setup than Leo except I don't use the Evans. No
problem with cooling either. Max temps are 220 for the oil and 220 for the
coolant. In cruise oil is around 190 and coolant around 140.
Very important in my opinion is the baffeling to the rad and a good outlet
for the air at the bottom of the cowling. The little lip is VERY important
to create a low pressure area outside of the cowling and thus suck the air
through the engine compartment (ask me how I know....)
Good luck
Thilo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Rotax cowling experience?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
>
> Trevor,
> My 601HDS has ZAC cowling bought Jan. 1998. Being a taildragger I was
able
> to mount my Rotax radiator between the rear of the engine and the
firewall.
> It is slanted 25 degrees to the front to allow proper coolant flow. My
oil
> cooler is mounted on the nose of the engine. The last time I flew (two
days
> ago) the surface OAT was 94 degrees. 86 degrees at 3,000 MSL. Max temps
on
> climb out to 5,000' (to get cool) 220 degrees coolant and 215 degrees oil
> I changed to Evans after 20 hours - no change in temps but nice to know
the
> Evans won't boil til 300 degrees.
>
> I can't help you too much if yours is a nose dragger but I'll gladly send
> you some pics off group.
>
> Leo Gates
> N601Z
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Date: 07/05/05 13:42:31
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Rotax cowling experience?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
> Listers, anyone have any experience with the new ZAC 601XL cowling
> for the Rotax engines? I have the older cowling for the HD and I'm
> having trouble with my internal rads.
>
> I'm just about to switch over to Evans coolant to keep my boiling
> problem under control but I need to investigate other options just in
> case things don't work out.
> The XL cowling has internal coolant and oil rad placements but
> requires a prop extension for the extra room up front. Does anyone
> know if this cowling works well enough to be a "mount-and-fly"
> situation?
>
> The last 2 weeks have been busy and very hot so I've not been able to
> go out and tinker...
>
> Trev Page
> C-IDUS 601HD 6 hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re Amazing Opportunity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "R. Saarinen" <sales@steelframe.com.au>
G,Day Steve,
Thanks for the reply, I believe you have a web site on building your plane
can you please send me details of site when you send the rest of the photos,
also your bank details, I shall be out of my office for about 6 Hours from
now, (time is now 6-30 eastern Aussie time) Hope we can do a deal.
Regards
Ron
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| Subject: | 701 Unusable Fuel |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
That's about half a gallon per tank...Seems a little high but not too
excessive
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bima,
Martin
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Unusable Fuel
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Last night I decided to see how much unusable fuel there actually was in
each tank by filling them with water - 1 liter at a time until it
started flowing out the drain. Each tank was placed level (fore to aft)
at tilted at the wing dihedral (2%).
The 4 tanks varied from 2 to 3 liters for a total 3.2 usg or just over
20 lbs.
Is this reasonable for an ultralight or should I start cutting holes to
install lower drains?
Appreciate your opinions.
Martin
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| Subject: | Another Source of Aluminum |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Listers:
One of the sources from which I buy raw materials for my business is a
Company called:
Copper and Brass Sales
They are a nationwide distributor of steel brass & Aluminum with warehouses
all over the country. I live in Las Vegas, their closest warehouse to me is
in Southern California. I had an occasion to call them today so for this
discussion I asked them a couple of questions:
1. Do you have to be a business to buy from them? Answer: "No, we will
sell to anyone".
2. As an example, please quote the following item and quantities: 6061-T6
Aluminum sheet, .016 x 48" x 144" QQ-A-250/11.
Today's price was: 5 sheets: $ 77.35 ea.
10 sheets $ 56.66 ea.
20 sheets $ 53.98 ea.
The best part of these prices is that they are DELIVERED prices to my door
from their California warehouse to my plant in Las Vegas.
Now I don't know how their freight prepaid policy works to more rural areas,
or if they do it.
Their nationwide phone number is 800-926-2600, which will ring into their
warehouse closest to you. You can check thier website at
www.copperandbrass.com
As you see from the quotes, volume is everything, but in past discussions
they said one could mix thicknesses of like material (6061T6 for example)
for the quantity discount.
I have ordered AC al for several airport friends, and always received good
price and service.
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <car_vau@msn.com>
vaughn carl car_vau@msn.com<mailto:car_vau@msn.com> hello evryone, I,m new to the list but have been building a 701 on & off for about a year it,s about 30% done and has been fun so far. since I,m working on the right wing at the moment and thought you might like to know about the great fiberglass gas tanks I got from larry martin another 701 builder. these tanks are 14 gallons each and fit perfect where the zac tanks go. eight extra gals. is a big plus in the same space. larry martin is on the list & his website is angelfire.com/un/ch701 if you,re interested. bye vaughn carl.
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| Subject: | Re: Another Source of Aluminum |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
wow,, good prices
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Another Source of Aluminum
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
> <n4546v@mindspring.com>
>
> Listers:
> One of the sources from which I buy raw materials for my business is a
> Company called:
>
> Copper and Brass Sales
>
> They are a nationwide distributor of steel brass & Aluminum with
> warehouses
> all over the country. I live in Las Vegas, their closest warehouse to me
> is
> in Southern California. I had an occasion to call them today so for this
> discussion I asked them a couple of questions:
>
> 1. Do you have to be a business to buy from them? Answer: "No, we will
> sell to anyone".
>
> 2. As an example, please quote the following item and quantities:
> 6061-T6
> Aluminum sheet, .016 x 48" x 144" QQ-A-250/11.
>
> Today's price was: 5 sheets: $ 77.35 ea.
> 10 sheets $ 56.66 ea.
> 20 sheets $ 53.98 ea.
>
> The best part of these prices is that they are DELIVERED prices to my door
> from their California warehouse to my plant in Las Vegas.
> Now I don't know how their freight prepaid policy works to more rural
> areas,
> or if they do it.
>
> Their nationwide phone number is 800-926-2600, which will ring into their
> warehouse closest to you. You can check thier website at
> www.copperandbrass.com
>
> As you see from the quotes, volume is everything, but in past discussions
> they said one could mix thicknesses of like material (6061T6 for example)
> for the quantity discount.
>
> I have ordered AC al for several airport friends, and always received good
> price and service.
>
> Regards,
> Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Materials List - 0.016" vs. 0.020" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Scott,
Do you mean substitute all .016 sheets for .020 or
only those used for the skin. .016 is more difficult
to find locally.
William Dominguez
Miami, Florida
601XL, Hopefully a Corvair if not, a Jabiru 3300
.001% done, bending stabilizer ribs
--- N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL
> <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> This has been brought up before, but may deserve
> mentionining again - .020" can be less expensive, is
> easier to handle and may provide a better finished
> product with little weight gain. Larry McFarland
> pointed this out to me just prior to ordering a big
> order for my fuselage and it was a big help to me.
> After handling the .016" for the tail section, the
> .020" I used on the fuselage was a big improvement.
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE (It's already there).
>
> Scott Laughlin
> 601XL / Corviar
> Waiting on Prop Hub.
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
> William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez
>
>
> Thanks to all the respondents.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Thanks to everyone who replied about the bolts on the older Matco wheels. I
ground down a socket to fit and was able to take the wheels apart.
Jeff Davidson
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| Subject: | Re: 601-HDS For Sale Amazing Opportunity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred Kirkland" <fdk0154.tx@cox.net>
Steve, there are three guys at Deer Valley that I know of that are building for
others. Also, a buddy of mine that is into Kit Foxes lives across the street
and he knows a huge number of people in the valley that are into building. If
you want to look into finding someone to complete the plane for you, I'd be
happy to give you a hand.
Fred Kirkland
602-296-5878
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