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1. 06:12 AM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (Don Mountain)
2. 07:13 AM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (Paul Mulwitz)
3. 07:30 AM - Re: Engine crate handling (Robert Schoenberger)
4. 08:38 AM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (Don Mountain)
5. 08:44 AM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (Craig Payne)
6. 09:01 AM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (Craig Payne)
7. 09:03 AM - CH-801 Info (Don Boeck)
8. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: CH 701Rear Wing Channels (RURUNY@aol.com)
9. 09:21 AM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (Elwood140@aol.com)
10. 09:28 AM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (Gary A. Boothe)
11. 09:42 AM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
12. 09:47 AM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (Paul Mulwitz)
13. 09:55 AM - Re: CH-801 Info (Paul Mulwitz)
14. 09:55 AM - Re: Engine crate handling (Kent Brown)
15. 10:09 AM - Re: CH-801 Info (Tom Faulkner)
16. 10:26 AM - Re: Engine crate handling (Craig Payne)
17. 11:07 AM - (Allen Ricks)
18. 12:39 PM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
19. 01:25 PM - Re: (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
20. 01:51 PM - Engine is unloaded (Bill Steer)
21. 02:32 PM - Re: Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (Paul Mulwitz)
22. 02:38 PM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (roy vickski)
23. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (Craig Payne)
24. 03:35 PM - New XL quick-build lits (Craig Payne)
25. 05:08 PM - Re: Engine crate handling (Crvsecretary@AOL.COM)
26. 06:55 PM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (Don Mountain)
27. 07:59 PM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL? (Paul Mulwitz)
28. 08:16 PM - Re: Engine for my 601 XL?Engine for my 601 XL? (Tommy Walker)
29. 08:33 PM - 601XL Quick Build Kit (Zodie Rocket)
30. 09:23 PM - Re: (Allen Ricks) (woodlawr@concast)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Great! Then why do you want a Zenith? And have you
> found a Zentih that
> has over 4000 hours on the airframe?
Because my 74 Cherokee has really antique gauges and
radios in it, and I discovered that to get the most
modern electronic panel I needed to go experimental.
And it has over 8000 hours on the airframe. And
burns a lot of gas to get anywhere. And the Zenith
factory in Mexico Missouri is only 35 miles from home.
And their demonstrator was fun to fly.
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>my 74 Cherokee has really antique gauges and
>radios in it, and I discovered that to get the most
>modern electronic panel I needed to go experimental.
>And it has over 8000 hours on the airframe. And
>burns a lot of gas to get anywhere. And the Zenith
>factory in Mexico Missouri is only 35 miles from home.
> And their demonstrator was fun to fly.
>
>Don
That sounds to me like a great argument for buying a S-LSA or
possibly E-LSA version of the Zodiac. On the other hand, building
one from a kit or scratch-building is a HUGE effort.
Have you considered all three ways to get a new Zodiac?
Paul
601XL barely started
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| Subject: | Re: Engine crate handling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Three 1" - 1 1/2" dia. dowels a little wider than the crate and placed under
the crate once it's on the ground help to move it along. As it goes forth
take the dowel at the rear and move it to the front. Not as good as the
dollies, but workable. robert schoenberger 701 do not archive
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From: "mike honer" <amhoner@rtmc.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine crate handling
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "mike honer" <amhoner@rtmc.net>
>
> Very exciting when a big piece is about to arrive. WhatIi have done many
> times is to have the heavy piece delivered to the local terminal , hold
> for
> pickup. Then, I drive my car over, with the little trailer attached.
> Yellow
> Freight are great! they will deliver the box to the trailer, which takes
> the
> height down to 18 inches, where it can be handled to the ground with 2x4's
> and a come-a-long.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
> That sounds to me like a great argument for buying a
> S-LSA or
> possibly E-LSA version of the Zodiac. On the other
> hand, building
> one from a kit or scratch-building is a HUGE effort.
>
> Have you considered all three ways to get a new
> Zodiac?
>
> Paul
> 601XL barely started
When I purchased my full kit and picked it up from the
factory at the end of February of this year, there was
no E-LSA or S-LSA versions of the Zodiac available.
And those still don't have the more modern
experimental non-certified av gauges available on the
experimental market for a lot less money. And except
for the last month and a half away from working on the
kit plane to move my household to Iowa from Missouri,
my wife and I have already completed all the tail
sections, and we are just finishing up the wings and
getting ready to start on the airframe. So if we can
get back to work on the plane in the next few weeks,
we should be looking at installing the engine by the
end of the year. I already have some of the avionics
and the panel is layed out. Electrical system is
drawn up. And the loggers are supposed to be here to
log off the back 80 acres in the next month, so I can
afford an engine.
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Well (as I said before) the factory demo (at least when I flew it in
December) has a Jabiru 3300 in it. Don't take my word for it, look at
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/3300.html. If you don't trust their
choice of engine why do you trust them to design your airframe?
Also (as stated in an e-mail from Mike Fortunato on 7/12) Jabiru USA
does back their engine with a 1 year warrentee. But don't take his word,
call Jabiru USA and ask them - 800-JABIRU1 (800-522-4781).
Note - all the above are facts, not emotion.
-- Craig
Don Mountain wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
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>><craig@craigandjean.com>
>>
>>Great! Then why do you want a Zenith? And have you
>>found a Zentih that
>>has over 4000 hours on the airframe?
>
>
> Because my 74 Cherokee has really antique gauges and
> radios in it, and I discovered that to get the most
> modern electronic panel I needed to go experimental.
> And it has over 8000 hours on the airframe. And
> burns a lot of gas to get anywhere. And the Zenith
> factory in Mexico Missouri is only 35 miles from home.
> And their demonstrator was fun to fly.
>
> Don
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
But you didn't answer my question: have you found a *Zenith* airframe
that has more than 4000 hours on it? If not then why do you trust the
design?
-- Craig
Don Mountain wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
>><craig@craigandjean.com>
>>
>>Great! Then why do you want a Zenith? And have you
>>found a Zentih that
>>has over 4000 hours on the airframe?
>
>
> Because my 74 Cherokee has really antique gauges and
> radios in it, and I discovered that to get the most
> modern electronic panel I needed to go experimental.
> And it has over 8000 hours on the airframe. And
> burns a lot of gas to get anywhere. And the Zenith
> factory in Mexico Missouri is only 35 miles from home.
> And their demonstrator was fun to fly.
>
> Don
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Boeck <boeck5001@yahoo.com>
Fellow Enthusiasts,
I have been "lurking" on this site for a while.
Initial impression: this site is primarily 601, with a
scattering of 701.
Am I where I need to be re: 801 info? I am guessing
"yes" and to just keep lurking until the 801 gains
builders. Any advice re: 801-specific sites?
I will retire end of 2005. Wife and I are building in
NE Tennessee, Norris Lake. Plan is to build a
rotary-powered 801 on floats. Primary use will be
getting to and from fishing spots and BBQs at
neighbors. It would be nice to contact/meet fellow
builders in the area. EAA for sure.
FWIW, I too have a degree in engineering; couldn't
care less about an engine matrix (I am capable of
doing my own research); no, my mind isn't made up -
still open to suggestions (from what I read, a rotary
has less moving parts, less vibration, and, who knows,
when someone with 4,000 hrs tach time checks in, it
may even be as reliable and cost effective as many
others); with only some 4k to 5K hrs flight time in GA
aircraft (22K total, 2K in radials), I suspect I too
do not know how to properly lean an engine; this may
be moot, however, should an EFI Mazda 13b or Renesis
end up on the blunt end of my flying machine.
Sorry for the lengthy post, it's my first. I suspect
now that I have "laid my cards on the table",
responses and further posts will be SATTP.
Thanks,
Don B 0%
P.S. Am considering putting my 100hp Cessna 120 on
floats - comments anyone?
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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| Subject: | Re: re: CH 701Rear Wing Channels |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Working on the rear channels was a challenge with the ribs flapping around,
trying to support and hold the wood jig, clamping things in place and
drilling the holes, at least the threaded rods held the critical distance between
the ribs and I new once set it was correct.
I'm hoping to get a tiedown at Lufkers/Spadaro,Brookhaven or Mattituck. I
live on the North Fork and the last would be very close to me and its very
small. I work at Isp though at NY Center as a technician.
Brian
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
In a message dated 7/15/2005 8:14:04 AM Central Daylight Time,
mountain4don@yahoo.com writes:
Great! Then why do you want a Zenith? And have you
> found a Zentih that
> has over 4000 hours on the airframe?
Because my 74 Cherokee has really antique gauges and
radios in it, and I discovered that to get the most
Folks, it seems to me that this discussion has deteriorated beyond any
possible worth to Zenith builders. You have beaten the dead horse profoundly.
How about returning to something on subject?
Just a thought
Larry Wood
(N701LW getting closer)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Don,
Feel free to analyze 'till the cows come home, but, in the end, isn't sport
flying all about EMOTION? I'm not ashamed to say that I picked the 601
because I want to go fast for cheap and I liked the look. That's EMOTION. I
chose the WW Conversion because I wanted an inexpensive engine that I could
build. Putting it all together, I want to be able to say, "I built it. I'm
flying it, from end to end." For a do-it-yourselfer that's EMOTION. Every
time I get into my plane and fly I will be testing MY abilities to build and
fly. I like that challenge...that's EMOTION.
I hope, someday, you'll quit analyzing, get some EMOTION, and enjoy
yourself....
Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca
<gboothe@calply.com>
601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete
Tail Group - complete. Awaiting wing kit...
>.....And of course I didn't receive back any
> information except for emotional sounding
> exclaimations about what is "best"....
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dear Thread Friends, I always look forward to reading the thread. I rush into
the office early every morning and greedily fire up this old computer just
for the opportunity to read and join in on my second favorite subject. Then in
the evening, with a glass of red wine in my hand and with my tired feet propped
up, I enjoy reading the day's worth of thoughts from other fine and helpful
builders and flyers. I have been accused more than once of not knowing a hell
of a lot about a bunch of airplane stuff and frankly, I admit I am still pretty
poorly informed about most parts of our obsession. I know as well that I have
at times also offended some folks with my smart-ass way of saying things and
for that I am truly sorry and repentant. Here, Poor Don has thrown gas on a
spark. I ask all you gentleman to let's cut him some slack. Also, if the
un-thoughtful words of a blood sucking crazy such as myself can be over looked
by you
good men I ask you all to adopt Don. He is an engineer, right ? Got to be
pretty smart to be an engineer, right ? Maybe he can solve some of our problems
and someday contribute some fact that will save one of our lives or at least
save some money. It could happen. Well, it could ! So, let's all try to be good
to each other and get back to the second most important subject. Best regards
to all and I remain, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>my wife and I have already completed all the tail
>sections, and we are just finishing up the wings and
>getting ready to start on the airframe. So if we can
>get back to work on the plane in the next few weeks,
>we should be looking at installing the engine by the
>end of the year. I already have some of the avionics
>and the panel is layed out.
Sounds like a great plan to me. If my wife was helping with my
project I might be done in less than a year too . . . maybe.
I hope I am not causing you a problem here, but I was at the
Arlington Fly-in last week and saw a promising new product from
Dynon. It is a new LCD device which can do both EFIS and engine
monitoring. The display is a lot larger than their older products
and the basic price is only a little more than their older EFIS. I
gather you add sensing modules to configure your system the way you
want it. It sounds like just the ticket for someone who wants the
latest and greatest electronics without spending the entire
Earth. It will probably find its way onto my instrument panel, but
perhaps you are already too far along to include it in yours. (It
wasn't quite ready for customers yet, but I suspect it will be
readily available by the time your engine is in.)
Best of luck to you!
Paul
601 XL barely started
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>Sorry for the lengthy post, it's my first. I suspect
>now that I have "laid my cards on the table",
>responses and further posts will be SATTP.
Welcome aboard! I am new to the list too, so don't feel alone.
For me the 801 was always out of the question. I am focused on
flying without fighting for a special issuance medical from our kind
friends at the FAA. The 601 gives me maximum LSA performance and a
great 1 or 2 year shop project too. It also offers all metal
construction which I think is the best choice for a plane living in
the NW rain forest (near Portland, OR). Since I am already retired,
the project is the most attractive part of the picture (I don't do
nothing well).
Is there some reason the 801 seems like your best choice?
Paul
601 XL, barely started
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| Subject: | Engine crate handling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
When I took a low trailer to get my big box (601HDS kit) at the freight
company, I discovered they only had high docks suitable for high bed trucks,
and no way out of the building with the box to get it down to my trailer.
The solution took a fork lift, some clever work with chains, and sort of
lifting and sliding and eight people guiding the box down to the trailer,
making sure the fork lift didn't come off the end of the dock and end up in
the trailer on top of my airplane parts.
It was a bit hairy, but I eventually we got it loaded. Getting it off the
low trailer onto my driveway was a snap, pulled halfway out with a
"come-along", and then slowly drove the trailer out from under.
It would be smart to scout the freight company's docks before the box
arrives!
Kent
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mike honer
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 5:07 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine crate handling
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "mike honer" <amhoner@rtmc.net>
>
> Very exciting when a big piece is about to arrive. WhatIi have done many
> times is to have the heavy piece delivered to the local terminal , hold
> for
> pickup. Then, I drive my car over, with the little trailer attached.
> Yellow
> Freight are great! they will deliver the box to the trailer, which takes
> the
> height down to 18 inches, where it can be handled to the ground with 2x4's
> and a come-a-long.
> >
> >
> >
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
Don: There are several 801 builders that monitor this site. I think you
will most likely find answers to your questions here. I am currently flying
off my hours in N801TP, which has an Eggenfellner H6 Subaru and Quinti 4
blade variable pitch prop. I am located in SW Michigan.
Tom Faulkner
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| Subject: | Re: Engine crate handling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Or rent a truck with a powered lift on the rear. Ryder (for one) has
them. U-Haul trucks don't have a powered lift but they do have an
aluminum ramp which can angle up or down from the truck's bed. What I'm
not sure of is if the ramp can be angled up far enough to reach the
level of a typical loading dock. Visit a U-Hual dealer to check.
Note that either of these solutions would also work if the big truck
comes to you home - just back your truck up to theirs and transfer the
crate across with either the lift or ramp. This idea may seem like a lot
of trouble and expense but it is cheap compared to the cost of the engine.
-- Craig
Kent Brown wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
>
> When I took a low trailer to get my big box (601HDS kit) at the freight
> company, I discovered they only had high docks suitable for high bed trucks,
> and no way out of the building with the box to get it down to my trailer.
> The solution took a fork lift, some clever work with chains, and sort of
> lifting and sliding and eight people guiding the box down to the trailer,
> making sure the fork lift didn't come off the end of the dock and end up in
> the trailer on top of my airplane parts.
> It was a bit hairy, but I eventually we got it loaded. Getting it off the
> low trailer onto my driveway was a snap, pulled halfway out with a
> "come-along", and then slowly drove the trailer out from under.
>
> It would be smart to scout the freight company's docks before the box
> arrives!
>
> Kent
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
>>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mike honer
>>Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 5:07 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine crate handling
>>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "mike honer" <amhoner@rtmc.net>
>>
>>Very exciting when a big piece is about to arrive. WhatIi have done many
>>times is to have the heavy piece delivered to the local terminal , hold
>>for
>>pickup. Then, I drive my car over, with the little trailer attached.
>>Yellow
>>Freight are great! they will deliver the box to the trailer, which takes
>>the
>>height down to 18 inches, where it can be handled to the ground with 2x4's
>>and a come-a-long.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Howdy listers,
My name is Allen, and I live in the Pacific Northwest (North of Beaverton,
Oregon, a suburb of Portland). After many years of consideration and
contemplation, I have decided to attempt to commit aviation in my garage.
I was at the Arlington air show, and looked at my final contenders. After
talking with both Nicholas and Michael Heintz, as well as taking a flight in
the 601 with Nicholas, I settled on the 601 XL quick build. I am in the
process of finalizing the order with Michael Heintz now.
I look forward to the assistance of the fine people on this site during the
building process. I should receive my kit towards the end of September. I
would love to meet with anyone in the local area building the 601 and learn
what you had to learn the hard way.
At this point the Rotax or the Jabiru are the most likely engine choices,
with the Rotax at the top for the moment. I would like any design of
airplane or engine that I use to have at least 100 examples flying, and
would prefer 10 years of experience with the basic design (engine or
airframe) before I implement it. I am not an engineer. I am building the
plane to fly, not tinker with more than necessary.
By the way, check out the new leather interior kit for the 601 on Zeniths
site. Michael is checking on what kind of foam is inside it, as I would
prefer the tempur type foam for comfort, but it sure looks nice on the site.
For under 900 bucks it looks even better.
By the way, Im sure this can has been opened many times, but who among you
has been happy with the form of corrosion protection they have selected for
the interior of their plane? With the quick build kit, I will have to
address this problem soon after the arrival of my kit.
Ill keep it more succinct in the future.
Again, thanks in advance for your help,
Allen
allenricks@verizon.net
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
<<<<<<It is a new LCD device which can do both EFIS and engine
monitoring. The display is a lot larger than their older products
and the basic price is only a little more than their older EFIS. I
gather you add sensing modules to configure your system the way you
want it. It sounds like just the ticket for someone who wants the
latest and greatest electronics without spending the entire
Earth. It will probably find its way onto my instrument panel>>>>>>>
I dunno. Has anyone ever put 4000 hours on one of these units??
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dear Allen, welcome to the insane asylum. Have you heard yet about the thread
dues? Yes ?, No,? but they are real modest. When you come visit and fly in
our planes during your building you are obligated to buy the beer! Again,
welcome and we all hope we can be a help, Best regards, Bill of Georgia, ch601xl,
3300, N505WP
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| Subject: | Engine is unloaded |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
Thanks to everybody for your suggestions about how to best get my Stratus
engine crate off the truck and into the garage. I ended up using the "slide
it down two 2 x 8's" method, and it worked like a charm. We slid it down
the ramp into the back of my Explorer, and then off the Explorer into the
garage. Two guys did it with no strain at all.
The sticker on the crate says it weights 278 pounds, but I have to agree
with Frank - it sure doesn't seem that heavy.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
At 12:38 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
>
>Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
><<<<<<It is a new LCD device which can do both EFIS and engine
>monitoring. The display is a lot larger than their older products
>and the basic price is only a little more than their older EFIS. I
>gather you add sensing modules to configure your system the way you
>want it. It sounds like just the ticket for someone who wants the
>latest and greatest electronics without spending the entire
>Earth. It will probably find its way onto my instrument panel>>>>>>>
>
>
>I dunno. Has anyone ever put 4000 hours on one of these units??
I might spend 4000 hours trying to make up my mind what to do about
instruments.
My latest thinking is to go with both EFIS and electronic engine
monitor. I started saying to myself "I never look at engine
instruments so why should I spend all that money for fancy
ones." Then it changed to "I never look at engine instruments so
maybe I should get ones that look at themselves . . . "
I will be operating under Sport Pilot limitations, so a real IFR
panel is not required. On the other hand, I can get pretty stupid
about weather and I can't imagine having a plane with no gyros at
all. For now it seems like the low end electronic panels are a lot
less expensive than the World War II era instruments installed in most planes.
Even with the heavy electronic approach, I will probably install
conventional airspeed and altimeter as backup devices. A mag compass
will also be necessary, I think, to satisfy the inspectors.
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| Subject: | Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski <rvickski@yahoo.com>
So Don, once you get all the gaps filled in your
knowledge will you let us in on your findings? or will
we have to pay for them as a ASTM or SAE publication.
I seem to remember way back in the 70's that the Ford
Pinto was the low cost, best solution and competed
with GM's low cost best solution (Vega), but what do I
know I drove old Caddys and M Benz.
Roy Szarafinski
701 plans, corvair plans, efi ect.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Consider the Stratomaster Ultra "H" from MGL Avionics - solid state
gyros and compass, engine monitoring, etc. It has a nice big display but
is cheaper than the competition because the display is monochrome (which
I believe is more legible in direct sunlight).
http://www.mglavionics.co.za/ultrah.html
The one down-side with putting it in an XL is that it only has one input
for fuel level. So add their two dual channel fuel monitors:
http://www.mglavionics.co.za/singles.html#FF-2
http://www.mglavionics.co.za/maxi.html#FF-3
But looking at their new "data box" (RDAC) that goes FWF I see that it
has two fuel level inputs. So a glass panel to match doesn't seem far away.
http://www.mglavionics.co.za/Docs/RDACX.pdf
The only US dealer that I know of is at:
http://www.sportflyingshop.com/
That's where I bought mine. I can't give you much feedback as I haven't
flown it yet.
Sonex pushes the Stratomaster line for their aircraft:
http://www.sonex-ltd.com/order_sonex_instruments.html
-- Craig
Paul Mulwitz wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> At 12:38 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote:
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
>>
>>Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>>
>><<<<<<It is a new LCD device which can do both EFIS and engine
>>monitoring. The display is a lot larger than their older products
>>and the basic price is only a little more than their older EFIS. I
>>gather you add sensing modules to configure your system the way you
>>want it. It sounds like just the ticket for someone who wants the
>>latest and greatest electronics without spending the entire
>>Earth. It will probably find its way onto my instrument panel>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>I dunno. Has anyone ever put 4000 hours on one of these units??
>
>
> I might spend 4000 hours trying to make up my mind what to do about
> instruments.
>
> My latest thinking is to go with both EFIS and electronic engine
> monitor. I started saying to myself "I never look at engine
> instruments so why should I spend all that money for fancy
> ones." Then it changed to "I never look at engine instruments so
> maybe I should get ones that look at themselves . . . "
>
> I will be operating under Sport Pilot limitations, so a real IFR
> panel is not required. On the other hand, I can get pretty stupid
> about weather and I can't imagine having a plane with no gyros at
> all. For now it seems like the low end electronic panels are a lot
> less expensive than the World War II era instruments installed in most planes.
>
> Even with the heavy electronic approach, I will probably install
> conventional airspeed and altimeter as backup devices. A mag compass
> will also be necessary, I think, to satisfy the inspectors.
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | New XL quick-build lits |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Those of you on Zenith's e-mail list have probably already seen this.
But for those still doing research follow this link if you have more
money than time:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/xl-qbk.html
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Engine crate handling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hi Kent:
I'm very surprised to hear that terminal didn't have at least ONE "low dock"
installed. Yes, standard dock height is 48", but a low dock and/or ground
access is pretty much universal for customer service.
We're all glad to hear the dock manager was 'creative". As freight goes,
these crates aren't all that heavy..but they take up a great amount of 'cube'
weight - that is, they are lighter than the freight company expects that size
crate to be. That's why we pay on 'dimensional weight' as opposed to scale
weight.
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl N458XL (reserved)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
When I took a low trailer to get my big box (601HDS kit) at the freight
company, I discovered they only had high docks suitable for high bed trucks,
and no way out of the building with the box to get it down to my trailer.
The solution took a fork lift, some clever work with chains, and sort of
lifting and sliding and eight people guiding the box down to the trailer,
making sure the fork lift didn't come off the end of the dock and end up in
the trailer on top of my airplane parts.
It was a bit hairy, but I eventually we got it loaded. Getting it off the
low trailer onto my driveway was a snap, pulled halfway out with a
"come-along", and then slowly drove the trailer out from under.
It would be smart to scout the freight company's docks before the box
arrives!
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
--- Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> I hope I am not causing you a problem here, but I
> was at the
> Arlington Fly-in last week and saw a promising new
> product from
> Dynon. It is a new LCD device which can do both
> EFIS and engine
> monitoring. The display is a lot larger than their
> older products
> and the basic price is only a little more than their
> older EFIS.
Thanks for the info Paul. I have the Dynon Angle of
Attack Pitot already mounted on my wing, and was
planning to order their EMS-D10 engine monitor and
EFIS-D10A Electric Fight Information System. But I
was kind of waiting for their larger screen model that
they plan to sell. Since my wife flys half the time,
I like the possibility of swapping the screens between
the two units.
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>Thanks for the info Paul. I have the Dynon Angle of
>Attack Pitot already mounted on my wing, and was
>planning to order their EMS-D10 engine monitor and
>EFIS-D10A Electric Fight Information System. But I
>was kind of waiting for their larger screen model that
>they plan to sell. Since my wife flys half the time,
>I like the possibility of swapping the screens between
>the two units.
>
>Don
Glad I could help, Don.
I hadn't thought of that sort of use for the new boxes. I was
thinking of getting just one and selecting a few flight instruments
and a few engine monitoring functions to all go in the one box.
Perhaps I will learn from your example and start to thing Big.
Good luck,
Paul
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Engine for my 601 XL?Engine for my 601 XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
> Depends if you fall into the category of "most pilots" or not...If you
> do not then that staement does not apply to yourself..:)
>
> More correctly I should say most pilots I have talked to do not know
how
> to lean properly and current training in this area is sorely
> lacking....Even if you read the Jeppsen flight manuals it will not go
> into the theory behind ROP vs LOP operation///
major snip........................
I used the cheater's method to lean my Continental. switched to one mag,
leaned till it was rough, then switched to both mags.
:)
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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| Subject: | 601XL Quick Build Kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
NEW QUICK-BUILD-KIT FOR ZODIAC XL
The fastest just got faster! CAN-ZAC Aviation Ltd. is proud to introduce
the newest addition to the Zenith Aircraft Company line of kit
airplanes, a new Quick-Build-Kit for the two-seat Zenith Zodiac XL. The
new kit promises to reduce construction time for Zodiac XL builders by
fifty percent: "Our aim has always been to make it quick and easy for
the first time builders to assemble and fly their own aircraft" says
Sebastien Heintz, president of Zenith Aircraft, "From what we've seen,
nothing else compares to this new Quick-Build-Kit in ease of
construction or required build time."
The standard kit for the Zodiac XL has long been recognized for its
quick assembly time: Zenith Aircraft Company has in past years assembled
and flown one of its standard airframe kits in just seven days during an
annual EAA Oshkosh or Sun-N-Fun fly-in convention.
The new Quick-Build Kit aims at reducing kit construction time by over
fifty percent: The company quotes an average airframe assembly time of
250 hours with the new Quick-Build Kit for its popular Zodiac XL. This
remarkable feat is achieved by having the entire airframe factory-jigged
before delivery. Nearly all major components have been pre-aligned with
rivet holes pre-drilled: Once clecoed together in jigs, most sections
are then taken apart again for easy shipping and final re-assembly by
the builder. Virtually all drilling is done in the new kit and assembly
is completed with easy-to-set blind rivets, which work just like "Pop"
rivets. (The rudder "Starter Kit" is one exception: The vertical tail
parts still need to be lined up, drilled and riveted together as part of
the introductory "Starter Kit" or factory workshop).
"Complete Quick-Build-Kits will be available for pick-up or delivery
from our location near Waterloo, Ontario later this summer" says Mark
Townsend, president of CAN-ZAC Aviation. "As one of just three North
American distributors for the Quick-Build-Kits, we also plan to offer
tech support and a range of builder assistance programs." Zenith
Aircraft Company strives to make their aircraft accessible to a wide
range of amateur builders. The Zodiac XL can be "scratch-built" very
economically from plans only; the standard kit provides all the parts
necessary for airframe assembly and the new Quick-Build Kit option is
designed for those really eager to fly in record time: it can be
assembled and flown in just a few hundred hours! "Starting this summer,
the new Quick-Build-Kits will be available at the introductory price of
$29,675.00 which will include custom leather upholstery for the cabin"
says Townsend. The Quick-Build Kit will come crated in one large box for
easy transportation.
Popular supported engine choices include the Jabiru 3300, Rotax 912S,
Corvair auto conversions, or conventional aircraft engines such as the
Continental O-200 or Lycoming O-235.
The all-metal design is based on the earlier ZODIAC CH 601 series
designs that have been manufactured in Missouri since 1992, with
hundreds of the aircraft flying worldwide. The ZODIAC XL model was
developed specifically with the FAA's Sport Pilot / Light- Sport
Aircraft category in mind to offer maximum performance and capabilities
possible under the new FAA category.
For more information on the Zodiac XL and the new Quick-Build-Kit,
contact CAN-ZAC Aviation Ltd. at (519) 590-7601 or visit their website
at
www.can-zacaviation.com or to talk with Zenith Aircraft
Company directly at 573-581-9000 or visit www.zenithair.com
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
PHOTOS:
Assembling the Quick-Build Kits at the factory:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic05/zodiac-zl-qbk-factory.jpg
The crated Quick-Build Kit:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic05/zodiac-zl-qbk-crated.jpg
The Sport-Pilot ready Zodiac XL:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic05/zodiac-zl-qbk-071.jpg
Additional high resolution media photos can be downloaded from:
http://www.zenair.com/images/hi-res/index.html
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| From: | "woodlawr@concast" <woodlawr@comcast.net> |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "woodlawr@concast" <woodlawr@comcast.net>
Hello Allen -
I live just north of you in Vancouver, WA and I am in the process of
building a 601XL. My wife and I attended a rudder workshop the end of
April and hauled our kit back in a U-haul trailer.
We've completed the empennage, flaps and ailerons, and had our first EAA
tech inspection. Currently we're attaching ribs to the wing spars.
After quite a bit of research, I'm convinced that the Jabiru 3300 will
best meet my needs.
Although things are probably different with the quick build, I have
certainly spent a great deal of time (and money) researching and buying
tools.
I would be happy to show you my progress and discuss my experiences.
Send me an e-mail if you're interested.
Bill Woodland
601XL
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Ricks
Subject: Zenith-List:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
<allenricks@verizon.net>
Howdy listers,
My name is Allen, and I live in the Pacific Northwest (North of
Beaverton,
Oregon, a suburb of Portland). After many years of consideration and
contemplation, I have decided to attempt to commit aviation in my
garage.
I was at the Arlington air show, and looked at my final contenders.
After
talking with both Nicholas and Michael Heintz, as well as taking a
flight in
the 601 with Nicholas, I settled on the 601 XL quick build. I am in the
process of finalizing the order with Michael Heintz now.
I look forward to the assistance of the fine people on this site during
the
building process. I should receive my kit towards the end of September.
I
would love to meet with anyone in the local area building the 601 and
learn
what you had to learn the hard way.
At this point the Rotax or the Jabiru are the most likely engine
choices,
with the Rotax at the top for the moment. I would like any design of
airplane or engine that I use to have at least 100 examples flying, and
would prefer 10 years of experience with the basic design (engine or
airframe) before I implement it. I am not an engineer. I am building
the
plane to fly, not tinker with more than necessary.
By the way, check out the new leather interior kit for the 601 on
Zeniths
site. Michael is checking on what kind of foam is inside it, as I would
prefer the tempur type foam for comfort, but it sure looks nice on the
site.
For under 900 bucks it looks even better.
By the way, Im sure this can has been opened many times, but who among
you
has been happy with the form of corrosion protection they have selected
for
the interior of their plane? With the quick build kit, I will have to
address this problem soon after the arrival of my kit.
Ill keep it more succinct in the future.
Again, thanks in advance for your help,
Allen
allenricks@verizon.net
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