---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/21/05: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:16 AM - 701 for sale (ROBERT SCEPPA) 2. 07:50 AM - 701 for sale (mike king) 3. 07:54 AM - Re: 701 Fuselage gussets (Tebenkof@aol.com) 4. 07:54 AM - Flight Sim XL (Paul Hartl) 5. 09:10 AM - zenith 701 for sale (ROBERT SCEPPA) 6. 09:10 AM - Re: 701 for sale (ROBERT SCEPPA) 7. 11:25 AM - Radio rack rough dimentions (JERICKSON03E@aol.com) 8. 11:52 AM - acrylic to aluminum cement ? (Paul Hartl) 9. 11:59 AM - Re: 701 for sale (Larry) 10. 12:13 PM - Re: Radio rack rough dimentions (Larry McFarland) 11. 12:30 PM - Re: acrylic to aluminum cement ? (Larry McFarland) 12. 12:35 PM - Re: acrylic to aluminum cement ? (Carlos Sa) 13. 12:39 PM - Re: acrylic to aluminum cement ? (szewc@direcway.com) 14. 01:13 PM - Dual Throttle pics (Beckman, Rick) 15. 01:34 PM - Re: Dual Throttle pics (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com) 16. 01:36 PM - Re: acrylic to aluminum cement ? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 17. 01:38 PM - Re: zenith 701 for sale (Terry Fletcher) 18. 04:54 PM - srut fittings 701 (Flydog1966@aol.com) 19. 05:59 PM - Re: zenith 701 for sale (ROBERT SCEPPA) 20. 06:43 PM - Re: zenith 701 for sale apologies (ROBERT SCEPPA) 21. 06:49 PM - Re: zenith 701 for sale (Larry) 22. 06:52 PM - Re: srut fittings 701 (Jon Croke) 23. 07:08 PM - Re: srut fittings 701 (Tony & Peggy Pierce) 24. 07:29 PM - Re: zenith 701 for sale (Terry Fletcher) 25. 08:41 PM - Directions to private camp ground (Neitzel) 26. 09:31 PM - Re: srut fittings 701 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com) 27. 10:14 PM - Re: Oshkosh Lodging (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:48 AM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Zenith-List: 701 for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > A friend sent me this...R Sceppa rjscep@yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:38 AM PST US From: mike king Subject: Zenith-List: 701 for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: mike king is there a link,price or description here ,,sorry i'm a newbee --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:32 AM PST US From: Tebenkof@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Fuselage gussets --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com I could not come up with the gusset material either. I emailed Nick and they sent the neat little package of aluminum squares right away. Jim ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:37 AM PST US From: "Paul Hartl" Subject: Zenith-List: Flight Sim XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" Hi Jim and List, My MS Flight Simulator renditions of the Zodiac lineup for FS2002 and FS2004 are best downloaded from my website (which has just changed), as Zenith has not updated them in some time. In fact, the problem with the missing airspeed indicator is many years old, and one that I corrected at least 4 years ago! Please go to my (new) website to get the latest versions, at: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl or, if that doesn't work, try the http format of: http://members.cox.net/paulhartl Oh, and for those naysayers who insist that my Zodiacs fly too well in FS2004, you almost had me going, until I rode in Joe Edwards' XL (N633Z) last month out at BFI! Wow - does that baby climb. Thanks, Joe! Paul P.S. My airworthiness inspection, for N414PZ, is scheduled for Monday - after 7 long years of building! Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300, finishing stages Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: http://www.cox-internet.com/paulhartl Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:51 AM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Zenith-List: zenith 701 for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > Hope this clears up the question on who is selling > the 701 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:51 AM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > Mike I sent another email to matronics and they > should be posting the site to see.. sorry that my > email didn't have the download...Bob S --- mike king wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: mike king > > > is there a link,price or description here ,,sorry > i'm a newbee > > > --------------------------------- > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:10 AM PST US From: JERICKSON03E@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Radio rack rough dimentions --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com At the point of laying out the instrument panel for my 701. What should the rough dimensions be for a radio rack, width & height, to hold a std radio and transponder? Is there a site to look at such info? Thanks, Jerry ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:23 AM PST US From: "Paul Hartl" Subject: Zenith-List: acrylic to aluminum cement ? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" Zodiac makers, Does anyone have a recommendation for bonding the acrylic canopy material to 6061-T6? I'm having trouble keeping the flashing flap at the back tucked into the weather stripping, and cementing that little strip of flashing aft of the rear hoop to the canopy would help - but I haven't had any luck with the epoxy, acrylic cement and rubber cement I've tried so far. Thanks, Paul Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300, finishing stages Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: http://www.cox-internet.com/paulhartl Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:53 AM PST US From: "Larry" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" You're still doing something wrong. I get nothing. Do not archive. Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike king" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 for sale > --> Zenith-List message posted by: mike king > > is there a link,price or description here ,,sorry i'm a newbee > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:30 PM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Radio rack rough dimentions --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Jerry, Go to the specific brand of radio and transponder and look up specifications pages that usually describe the behind the panel dimensions as well as the cutting dimensions. I used an ICOM A200 and a Becker small size transponder, both of which provide this kind of information. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive JERICKSON03E@aol.com wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com > >At the point of laying out the instrument panel for my 701. >What should the rough dimensions be for a radio rack, width & height, to hold >a std radio and transponder? > >Is there a site to look at such info? > >Thanks, Jerry > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:54 PM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: acrylic to aluminum cement ? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Paul, I'd recommend you try PolyZap. I used it to adhere rubber trim to the canopy. It only takes a drop every 2 inches or so, but would probably be the stuff you need to get a grip on the aluminum. A firm in Florida sells it, but I'd try a test sample first. If that stuff doesn't work Silicone Adhesive would be my next choice for good area adhesion, but you want to take care that nether of these get onto areas you don't want them on. Larry McFarland - 601hds at www.macsmachine.com Do not archive Paul Hartl wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" > >Zodiac makers, > > Does anyone have a recommendation for bonding the acrylic canopy material to 6061-T6? I'm >having trouble keeping the flashing flap at the back tucked into the weather stripping, and >cementing that little strip of flashing aft of the rear hoop to the canopy would help - but I haven't >had any luck with the epoxy, acrylic cement and rubber cement I've tried so far. > >Thanks, Paul > >Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300, finishing stages >Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: http://www.cox-internet.com/paulhartl >Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:33 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: acrylic to aluminum cement ? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Paul, I posted a link to a site containing this information recently. Take a look at this site: http://sonex260.wheelsup.org/ Carlos --- Paul Hartl wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" > > Zodiac makers, > > Does anyone have a recommendation for bonding the acrylic canopy material to 6061-T6? I'm > having trouble keeping the flashing flap at the back tucked into the weather stripping, and > cementing that little strip of flashing aft of the rear hoop to the canopy would help - but I > haven't > had any luck with the epoxy, acrylic cement and rubber cement I've tried so far. > > Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:21 PM PST US From: szewc@direcway.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: acrylic to aluminum cement ? --> Zenith-List message posted by: szewc@direcway.com Try using Lexel. It is in a tube like silicone sealant and can be bought at just about any hardware store. It is very strong and remains flexible. I had temporarily attached the bottom of the windshied on my 701 with it until I was ready to paint. Turned out to be quite permanent and a real pain to remove. Ken Szewc N701SZ@3S8 ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hartl Subject: Zenith-List: acrylic to aluminum cement ? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" > > Zodiac makers, > > Does anyone have a recommendation for bonding the acrylic canopy > material to 6061-T6? I'm > having trouble keeping the flashing flap at the back tucked into > the weather stripping, and > cementing that little strip of flashing aft of the rear hoop to > the canopy would help - but I haven't > had any luck with the epoxy, acrylic cement and rubber cement I've > tried so far. > > Thanks, Paul > > Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300, finishing stages > Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: http://www.cox- > internet.com/paulhartlSun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:45 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Dual Throttle pics From: "Beckman, Rick" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" Does anyone have, or know where to look for, dual throttle installation pictures? I think I have seen some, but for the life of me, I cannot remember where I saw them. I'm looking specifically for the firewall side of the installation.and how the brackets are made. I have a bunch of sites in my favorites, but upon searching these, I found nothing on this. If anyone can help here, it will sure be appreciated. Rick Beckman XL ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:29 PM PST US From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dual Throttle pics --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hello Rick. I know you are building a Zodiac XL but here is a link to my page: http://www.gi.is/fis/ Go to Zenith and then panel. You can get an idea of how a dual throttle installation looks like on the Zenith 701. If you need the steel part for the friction Throttle rod, I have some spare. Hope this helps, Johann G. Iceland. > > > Does anyone have, or know where to look for, dual throttle > installation pictures? I think I have seen some, but for > the life of me, I cannot remember where I saw them. I'm > looking specifically for the firewall side of the > installation.and how the brackets are made. I have a bunch > of sites in my favorites, but upon searching these, I > found nothing on this. If anyone can help here, it will > sure be appreciated. > Rick Beckman XL > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:11 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: acrylic to aluminum cement ? From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Yup, Silkaflex, that's the way to go. I'm an RV builder and found out about this product too late...otherwise I would not have one hole drilled in my plexiglass..:) In fact I may get a tube to glue AND screw the canopy down....Gives a nice finished apprearance thru the plexi as well. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: acrylic to aluminum cement ? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Paul, I posted a link to a site containing this information recently. Take a look at this site: http://sonex260.wheelsup.org/ Carlos --- Paul Hartl wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" > > Zodiac makers, > > Does anyone have a recommendation for bonding the acrylic canopy > material to 6061-T6? I'm having trouble keeping the flashing flap at > the back tucked into the weather stripping, and cementing that little > strip of flashing aft of the rear hoop to the canopy would help - but > I haven't had any luck with the epoxy, acrylic cement and rubber cement I've tried so far. > > Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:53 PM PST US From: Terry Fletcher Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zenith 701 for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: Terry Fletcher I don't see anything either. Terry Fletcher do not archive -----Original Message----- From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Zenith-List: zenith 701 for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > Hope this clears up the question on who is selling > the 701 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:04 PM PST US From: Flydog1966@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: srut fittings 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com Has anyone else had the angle of the lower strut fitting, 7F17, not line up with the fitting at the wing? If so what did you do to fix it? Mine seems to be off by about 5 degrees,not the fitting itself,but the cabin side seems to be, err...not plumb. Befuddled Phil do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:26 PM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zenith 701 for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > see atatched file --- Terry Fletcher wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Terry Fletcher > > > I don't see anything either. > Terry Fletcher > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: ROBERT SCEPPA > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: zenith 701 for sale > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > > > > Hope this clears up the question on who is > selling > > the 701 > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:54 PM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zenith 701 for sale apologies --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > Apparently the file does not attach to the emails I > send out.. sorry about that perhaps I can send it > thru if anyone asks for it and I can attach it on my > email. confuses the h... out of me. Ty for your > patience.. --- ROBERT SCEPPA wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > > > > see atatched file > > > --- Terry Fletcher > wrote: > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Terry Fletcher > > > > > > I don't see anything either. > > Terry Fletcher > > do not archive > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ROBERT SCEPPA > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Zenith-List: zenith 701 for sale > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > > > > > > > Hope this clears up the question on who is > > selling > > > the 701 > > > > > > > > browse > > Subscriptions page, > > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:35 PM PST US From: "Larry" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zenith 701 for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" Robert, this list strips all attachments. It's anti virus protection, no attachments, no viruses. Just copy and paste your info in the body of your e-mail and send it. Or direct us to a web page, if you have one. Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT SCEPPA" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zenith 701 for sale > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > > > see atatched file > > > --- Terry Fletcher wrote: > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Terry Fletcher > > > > > > I don't see anything either. > > Terry Fletcher > > do not archive > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ROBERT SCEPPA > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Zenith-List: zenith 701 for sale > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > > > > > > > Hope this clears up the question on who is > > selling > > > the 701 > > > > > > > > browse > > Subscriptions page, > > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:04 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: srut fittings 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Hi Phil, I recently placed an order for a pair of struts to replace my bent ones..... and was I surprised to see that they arrived in a 6" box! It seems (and please, newer builders correct me if Im wrong) that the old single piece struts with the ends properly aligned (or misaligned!) for each end have been replaced in the new kits with a 2 piecer... (2 part numbers now): a long 6 foot pipe with one end welded on and a 6 inch 'other' end with a bigger diameter that slips over the long pipe and secures with 3 AN3 bolts. One thing this does is make LENGTH and ALIGNMENT a snap! So this new strategy will 'fix' your situation, maybe.. just saw off one end of your existing strut and get a hold of the new slipon end and you are set. The bad news is that a singe strut now costs $90 for the long piece and $45 for the small end.. a total of $135 per strut.. OUCH! You scratch builders are all laughing at me (all the way to the bank!) But Phil if your peice is made wrong, this might be the fix that ZAC recommends (?) Jon N701US ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: srut fittings 701 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com > > Has anyone else had the angle of the lower strut fitting, 7F17, not line > up > with the fitting at the wing? If so what did you do to fix it? Mine seems > to > be off by about 5 degrees,not the fitting itself,but the cabin side seems > to > be, err...not plumb. > Befuddled Phil > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:36 PM PST US From: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: srut fittings 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" We had that problem also. ZAC is aware of the problem and Nick told us at Arlington that they were changing the design back to a two-piece arrangement that allows for 'as-built' adjustment of the strut fitting. We negotiated a trade-in for ours, you might call Nick and see what you can arrange. For ours, we were able to measure the twist required so that new could be fabricated. Tony Pierce CH701 - N702PY Started the engine yesterday (we were getting of making engine noises :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: srut fittings 701 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com > > Has anyone else had the angle of the lower strut fitting, 7F17, not line > up > with the fitting at the wing? If so what did you do to fix it? Mine seems > to > be off by about 5 degrees,not the fitting itself,but the cabin side seems > to > be, err...not plumb. > Befuddled Phil > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:12 PM PST US From: "Terry Fletcher" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: zenith 701 for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Terry Fletcher" There is no attached file. Mantronics probably doesn't allow attachments. Terry Fletcher -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zenith 701 for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > see atatched file --- Terry Fletcher wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Terry Fletcher > > > I don't see anything either. > Terry Fletcher > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: ROBERT SCEPPA > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: zenith 701 for sale > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > > > > Hope this clears up the question on who is selling > > the 701 > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:41 PM PST US From: "Neitzel" Subject: Zenith-List: Directions to private camp ground --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Neitzel" Howdy listers I had several requests for directions to this private camp ground and since I am leaving bright and early on Saturday morning I thought I would put up a generic version on the list in case a request comes in after I leave. These directions are based on entering the area on Hwy 41. Exit on Hwy 26, on the East side of Hwy 41 is a frontage road. When you turn on to frontage road take an immediate right on Waupun road. It is about three miles to a stop sign, this cross road is Knapp. Turn left on Knapp. As soon as you turn on to Knapp, look to your left, you will see hundreds of campers. Come just a little bit farther North on Knapp and there will be a dirt road with a small shack on the left where they are taking the cash. There will be a wire fence along the right side of this drive way. Once you have the needed paper work from them all you have to do is find a place to park (and there are lots of them). I should mention that there is no electric, and water must be hauled from the farm house. They provide several porta potties if you are not self contained. This camp ground is located across the street from the ultra light parking area on the Southwest end of the field so it is really close to the action. Last year they were even selling daily passes at the gate directly across the road so access is easy walking distance. You can also go to eaa.org (need not be a member to do this) and in the left hand column select air venture OSH. Then select Plan for it. Next select schedules forms and maps. Select maps then select the top right map and you will see where Waupun Road comes into Knapp and the relationship to the field. This particular map segment has a blow up of Aeroshell Square right on top of where the camp ground is. I am in a red F 250 with a cab over North Star camper with a white American Hauler 12 foot trailer very close by. Have a safe trip, hope to see you there. Dick Neitzel Sayner, WI DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:37 PM PST US From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: srut fittings 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hello Phil. Yes, I had this problem on my 701. My solution was to gut the small tab on top of the lower strut fitting, which gives the attatch plate support, and then bend the attatch plate down to the right angle. Then welded the small tab again. It was the only way for me because I did not have the time to wait for a new part from Zenith. Regards, Johann G. Iceland. > > Has anyone else had the angle of the lower strut fitting, 7F17, not line > up > with the fitting at the wing? If so what did you do to fix it? Mine seems > to > be off by about 5 degrees,not the fitting itself,but the cabin side seems > to > be, err...not plumb. > Befuddled Phil > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:39 PM PST US From: Craig Payne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oshkosh Lodging --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne They have a minimum of *paying* for three days. That doesn't mean you have to stay for three days. -- Craig David Alberti wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" > > > there is a problem, I think they have a three day minimum for camping > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of B Johnson > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Oshkosh Lodging > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" > > Scott, the EAA claims they NEVER run out of space for "car camping" right on > the grounds. That's were I'll be for 2 or 3 days.... > > http://airventure.org/2005/planning/camp_scholler_guidelines.html > > > > > > >