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1. 12:22 AM - Re: Battery drained? (Thilo Kind)
2. 04:15 AM - cruise speed ? (Grant Corriveau)
3. 06:46 AM - Published speed numbers, HDS (charles.long@gm.com)
4. 06:58 AM - Piano Hinge Mod. (Larry)
5. 07:03 AM - Cracked Muffler, Jabiru 3300 on 601HDS (charles.long@gm.com)
6. 07:34 AM - Re: Cracked Muffler, Jabiru 3300 on 601HDS (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 07:47 AM - Re: cruise speed ? (Dave Austin)
8. 08:24 AM - Re: cruise speed ? (Richard McLachlan)
9. 09:20 AM - Re: cruise speed ? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
10. 09:25 AM - Jabiru 3300 Air Cooling Ducts (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
11. 09:45 AM - 701 TUBING Suppliers... (Bima, Martin)
12. 10:22 AM - Re: I got a straight flush in "Let It Ride" (Kent Brown)
13. 10:54 AM - Re: I got a straight flush in "Let It Ride" (Todd Osborne)
14. 12:04 PM - Re: Propeller pitch (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
15. 12:41 PM - Re: cruise speed ? (Dave Austin)
16. 12:42 PM - Re: cruise speed ? (Dave Austin)
17. 03:13 PM - Cleco Fit (Dave VanLanen)
18. 03:35 PM - Re: Cleco Fit (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
19. 03:47 PM - Re: Cleco Fit (Paul Mulwitz)
20. 03:58 PM - Re: cruise speed ? What is the hurry? (Gary Gower)
21. 04:16 PM - Re: cruise speed ? What is the hurry? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
22. 04:57 PM - 1200 miles (Ron Lee)
23. 05:20 PM - Re: 1200 miles (ron dewees)
24. 05:37 PM - STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? (Tebenkof@aol.com)
25. 06:17 PM - Re: 1200 miles (Craig Payne)
26. 06:41 PM - Re: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? (Jeff Reuschle)
27. 07:01 PM - Re: 1200 miles (Paul Mulwitz)
28. 07:08 PM - Re: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? (Larry)
29. 07:21 PM - Re: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? (RURUNY@aol.com)
30. 07:40 PM - 801 Static port (Ron or Erin Weich)
31. 08:21 PM - She's Airworthy! - and fuel tank vent question (Paul Hartl)
32. 09:30 PM - Re: Tail Tie Down 701 (RURUNY@aol.com)
33. 11:39 PM - Re: She's Airworthy! - and fuel tank vent question (xl)
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| Subject: | Re: Battery drained? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Johann,
did you install a charging control light? If not, make sure, that the
contact C (I believe, this is the contact for the charging control light) is
not connected to ground. Otherwise it will shorten the battery, whenever the
alternator is not supplying enough juice (i.e. engine off). This would drain
your battery in no time.
Best regards
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Subject: Zenith-List: Battery drained?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
>
> Hello list members.
>
> I just took a long cross country trip on my new plane on Friday.The
weather was as good as it gets, calm winds, no turbulence and sunny with
visibility 10+. We started the trip at 5 pm and landed at 5 am and flew the
hole night in bright conditions. Had a great time, but when we were
departing from the last field before my home airstrip, the battery was dead.
> The Stratomaster had indicated full 13,4 volts all the time and I never
had any trouble starting the plane during the trip, except there in the
middle of the night and nowhere to find help at any airfield. I called a
friend who I knew was awake and he brought the starter cables and we had to
jump start the Zenith 701. Started right up, but the hardest thing was to
re-fit the bottom plate under the fuselage while the engine was running.
Lots of screws to screw in.
>
> I do not know why the engine is not charging the battery. Have not had the
time to measure anything, but I just thought someone could give me some
ideas about why this could be happening.
> The engine is a Rotax 912 UL with standard reg/rec and hooked up according
to the Rotax manual. I do not have the extra alternator installed on the
engine, and the instruments I am using are Stratomaster EMS and the Microair
transceiver. Sometimes I turn on the fuel pump to pump from the wing tanks
to the header tank. Could this too much for the charging unit in the
standard engine?
>
> Hope you can help,
>
> Best wishes,
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
> Joeing 701
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Whiteaker" <trinkets@jcn1.com>
>
> Zenith web site states a max cruise speed of 138 mph. What have you found to
> be
> a normal cruise speed in real life?
I ferried a friends XL last winter and averaged an honest 135 mph throughout
the day. His plane was equipped with a Rotax 912s and a constant speed
prop. I was using about 5000 engine rpm and 25" manifold pressure at
approx. 2,000 asl with temps averaging around -10C to 0-ish. (didn't have
the charts so I'm not sure what percent of power this represents).
In other words, with the right engine/power combination, 138 mph is not too
far off as an attainable top-end speed.
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS
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| Subject: | Published speed numbers, HDS |
07/25/2005 09:44:41 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
My nose gear 601 HDS with wheel pants and Jabiru 3300 has a max
cruise speed of 139 mph at 7500 ft. Climb at sea level is slightly below
the 1000 fpm published number. This was generated at a gross weight of
1200 lb. Hope to see another 100-200 fpm improvement in climb as my engine
breaks in. Not sure if there's much more to be had on cruise numbers but
since my wife purchased the book "Speed with Economy" for my birthday, I've
been iching to find out.
Chuck Long
N601LE, 15 hr TT
Time: 06:53:06 PM PST US
From: "Dave Whiteaker" <trinkets@jcn1.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: cruise speed ?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Whiteaker" <trinkets@jcn1.com>
Zenith web site states a max cruise speed of 138 mph. What have you found
to be
a normal cruise speed in real life?
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| Subject: | Piano Hinge Mod. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
Here's another small modification I made to my plane. www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/piano.html.
I found that removing and reinstalling the doors using the piano hinges to be difficult
and unacceptable, so I fixed it. If you have any problems going directly
to the page, go to my site and look for DOOR HINGE FIX.
Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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| Subject: | Cracked Muffler, Jabiru 3300 on 601HDS |
07/25/2005 10:02:34 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
I have a cracked muffler after only 15 hr TT on my 601 HDS with
Jabiru 3300. A couple things to note. First, the fit was very tight
between the muffler pipes and header pipes. In retrospect, I should have
remove more material for a looser fit so the springs could help take out
any vibrations. Second, this failure occurred about two hours after
installing muffler insulation wrap. Not sure if this was a coincidence or
not. Read a email string from someone else who also had the same thing
happen after using muffler wrap. I had a burn spot on the bottom of the
cowl or I would never have used the stuff in the first place. Now, after
the muffler dropped down, the burned spot is even bigger. Will use a metal
heat shield next time around.
The noise level definitely increased, which prompted me to shake the
exhaust pipe on next preflight. Sure enough it was loose. Suggest to the
rest of you that you consider adding this to your preflights for the
obvious safety reasons, especially in the winter if you're using cabin heat
off the muffler.
My question to the group is: has anyone else dealt with this issue
and have you come up with a better solution? Has ZAC or Jabiru provided
replacement parts, hopefully free, that are a design improvement? I
noticed in the archives that with the 912's, they went with a ball socket
arrangement. Snowmobiles have used this approach for years with great
success. Not sure if they if they went this route with the Jabiru's
though, as the 6 cylinders tend to have less vibrations than the 4's.
I'm going to put a call into both ZAC and Jabiru today, but probably
won't be many folks tending the ranch this week with the Oshkosh show. I
know of a good welder, but don't want this muffler to break again,
especially with winter not all that far away. Using best practice on this
issue is essential!
Thanks
Chuck Long
N601LE, 15 hr TT
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| Subject: | Cracked Muffler, Jabiru 3300 on 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Congrats on getting your plane flying Chuck.
Now about the muffler...I don't have specific Jab experience but I can
tell you that ex pipe cracking just after wrapping it is very common.
Here's why....When you wrap the pipes they now cannot loose heat like
they did when upwrapped (duh, that's part of the idea right)...The
problem is the pipes now get much hotter which translates into more
expansion.
Depending how the exhaust is welded up it may be that as the pipes get
longer, they have no where to go and they end up stressing the joints
where the pipes join together.
After just a few heat/cool cycles this is enough to crack to the joint.
Welding the joint back up will not prevent this from happening again.
You need to find a way to accommodate the expansion.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
charles.long@gm.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Cracked Muffler, Jabiru 3300 on 601HDS
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
I have a cracked muffler after only 15 hr TT on my 601 HDS with
Jabiru 3300. A couple things to note. First, the fit was very tight
between the muffler pipes and header pipes. In retrospect, I should
have remove more material for a looser fit so the springs could help
take out any vibrations. Second, this failure occurred about two hours
after installing muffler insulation wrap. Not sure if this was a
coincidence or not. Read a email string from someone else who also had
the same thing happen after using muffler wrap. I had a burn spot on
the bottom of the cowl or I would never have used the stuff in the first
place. Now, after the muffler dropped down, the burned spot is even
bigger. Will use a metal heat shield next time around.
The noise level definitely increased, which prompted me to shake
the exhaust pipe on next preflight. Sure enough it was loose. Suggest
to the rest of you that you consider adding this to your preflights for
the obvious safety reasons, especially in the winter if you're using
cabin heat off the muffler.
My question to the group is: has anyone else dealt with this issue
and have you come up with a better solution? Has ZAC or Jabiru provided
replacement parts, hopefully free, that are a design improvement? I
noticed in the archives that with the 912's, they went with a ball
socket arrangement. Snowmobiles have used this approach for years with
great success. Not sure if they if they went this route with the
Jabiru's though, as the 6 cylinders tend to have less vibrations than
the 4's.
I'm going to put a call into both ZAC and Jabiru today, but
probably won't be many folks tending the ranch this week with the
Oshkosh show. I know of a good welder, but don't want this muffler to
break again, especially with winter not all that far away. Using best
practice on this issue is essential!
Thanks
Chuck Long
N601LE, 15 hr TT
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| Subject: | Re: cruise speed ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
With Rotax 912, Arplast air adjustable prop, radiator and oil rad inside the
cowl, my HDS trike will cruise at 120 mph IAS using 5300 rpm
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: cruise speed ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan" <richard@rodsley.net>
You are lucky.
On our 601HDS trike with wheel spats we only get 102 mph IAS with a Rotax
912, Warp Drive prop fixed at 13 degrees and 5000 RPM. When the OAT is above
about 25 degrees C, we have to run at 4800 RPM or less to keep the oil temp
down to 110 degrees C. This lowers the cruise speed to 95 mph IAS. We have
the Rotax oil rad inside the cowling. We used to have a more efficient oil
rad which worked better, but had to remove it and fit the (inferior) Rotax
model to allow the 912 TBO to be increased from 500 hours to 1500 hours.
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cruise speed ?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
>
> With Rotax 912, Arplast air adjustable prop, radiator and oil rad inside
the
> cowl, my HDS trike will cruise at 120 mph IAS using 5300 rpm
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I think there is a lot of potential comparing apples to oranges here.
For example, 5300rpm at sea level is about max power...sure the "cruise"
will be 120mph indicated, but this would not be a good place to run the
motor.
At 7500feet at 5300rpm it will probably also be doing close to 120mph
actual (but probably not indicated on the ASI) this will be close to 75%
power but my experience tells me the Bing carbs do not lean properly so
the fuel flow will be more than 75%, at least as far as my fuel flow
gizmo tells me.
Unless you know the altitude and what the actual speed is then these
types of comparisons are not that useful..for example, ZAC tells you to
take the static source from inside the cockpit...this will artificially
raise the IAS.
For me I see about 125mph at max power at 7500ft...Which of course is
about a 75% cruise. I don't run the engine there though, I baby it back
to about 4.8GPH (4200 rpm) and its doing about 105mph....But I also
removed the main wheelpants and forgot to put them back on...:)
I run a Subaru but the max RPM's are about the same as the Rotax and the
power outputs similar.
Frank
Stratus with ram heads 601 HDS.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
McLachlan
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cruise speed ?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan"
--> <richard@rodsley.net>
You are lucky.
On our 601HDS trike with wheel spats we only get 102 mph IAS with a
Rotax 912, Warp Drive prop fixed at 13 degrees and 5000 RPM. When the
OAT is above about 25 degrees C, we have to run at 4800 RPM or less to
keep the oil temp down to 110 degrees C. This lowers the cruise speed to
95 mph IAS. We have the Rotax oil rad inside the cowling. We used to
have a more efficient oil rad which worked better, but had to remove it
and fit the (inferior) Rotax model to allow the 912 TBO to be increased
from 500 hours to 1500 hours.
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cruise speed ?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin"
<daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
>
> With Rotax 912, Arplast air adjustable prop, radiator and oil rad
inside
the
> cowl, my HDS trike will cruise at 120 mph IAS using 5300 rpm
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
>
>
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300 Air Cooling Ducts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dear Thread Friends, I need a little information. Somewhere I have seen
photos of modifications builders have made to the air ducts to improve air
distribution. I remember seeing photos of small "L" angles riveted inside to divert
air down to the center cylinder. Also, I have seen a photo of added pipes
coming out of the rear on each duct running down to blow air on the mags. Does
this
ring a bell with anyone ? Did it help cool these areas ? Please link me to
either the modifier or the photos if you can.
Just finished my 5 hour maintenance and putting on wheel pants. Hope
to be back in the air by mid week if the weather will cooperate, Best regards,
Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | 701 TUBING Suppliers... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Hello List,
I am looking to buy the 4130 tubing for my 701. Suppliers in Canada are
rare and/or expensive.
Can some builders please reply with good suppliers along the route from
Minneapolis MN to Gary IN to Indianapolis IN to Dayton OH to Morgantown
WV to Washington DC to Niagara Falls NY to Battle Creek MI.
Thanks
Martin Bima
STOL-Vair
www.mts.net/~embima
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| Subject: | I got a straight flush in "Let It Ride" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
Don't forget the taxes that will be due next April, maybe don't want to
spend it all just yet. But even so, I think you're the only one I know to
finance your Zenith this way. Way to go!
Kent
Do not archive
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I got a straight flush in "Let It Ride"
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
>
>
> Congratulations Todd !!!!
>
> Let's see - $2500 in tail kit and $2500 in workshop improvements?
> I see Binford stock rising on Monday.....LOL
>
> Happy riveting!
>
>
> Tracy Smith
> Naugatuck, CT
> 601xl tail 100% wings on the way
> N458XL (reserved)
> do not archive
>
>
> Visiting my dad over the weekend, we went to the casino boat in
> Metropolis, IL and I managed to hit a straight flush in Let It Ride
> poker. The $5 bet paid $5000! So what does this have to do with
> Zenith airplanes? A lot, but only to me :-) After almost a year of
> doing nothing except reading this list, I finally get to order the
> rest of the tail kit now! :-)
>
> do not archive
>
> Todd
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | I got a straight flush in "Let It Ride" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Todd Osborne" <todd@toddtown.com>
Hehe, true. I only have to pay taxes on $2000 of it, so yeah, I will set
some aside for taxes, but I should have enough to buy a few metal
thingamajigs.
do not archive
Todd
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
>
> Don't forget the taxes that will be due next April, maybe don't want to
> spend it all just yet. But even so, I think you're the only one I know to
> finance your Zenith this way. Way to go!
>
> Kent
> Do not archive
>
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I got a straight flush in "Let It Ride"
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
>>
>>
>> Congratulations Todd !!!!
>>
>> Let's see - $2500 in tail kit and $2500 in workshop improvements?
>> I see Binford stock rising on Monday.....LOL
>>
>> Happy riveting!
>>
>>
>> Tracy Smith
>> Naugatuck, CT
>> 601xl tail 100% wings on the way
>> N458XL (reserved)
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Visiting my dad over the weekend, we went to the casino boat in
>> Metropolis, IL and I managed to hit a straight flush in Let It Ride
>> poker. The $5 bet paid $5000! So what does this have to do with
>> Zenith airplanes? A lot, but only to me :-) After almost a year of
>> doing nothing except reading this list, I finally get to order the
>> rest of the tail kit now! :-)
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> Todd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Todd Osborne
Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
Web Site: www.toddtown.com
MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com
AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Dick,
So sorry to hear of your situation...No where near as bad as yours but I
ruptured a disc last year having never had back pain before...Oh boy it
got my attention!
In answer to your question I think I settled on about 13 degrees for
good all round performance.
Frank 601HDS stratus with Ram heads
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DICK
WILBERS
Subject: Zenith-List: Propeller pitch
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "DICK WILBERS"
--> <RWILBERS@TAMPABAY.RR.COM>
Dear list: I would like some feedback from those of you who have
Stratus Subaru engines installed on the 601 HDS airframe, utilizing a 3
blade Warp Drive propeller, regarding the pitch angles necessary for all
around flight characteristics. I am in a body brace for 3 months
following spinal reconstructive surgery, and I have a lot of time to do
nothing but plan and make copious notes and "to-do's". Unfortunately I
can't even be a passenger in a car until Aug 15th,
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| Subject: | Re: cruise speed ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Frank, that was at 3500 to 4000 ft.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: cruise speed ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Frank,
It is not max power as I set the prop to get the 5300 rpm at vac of 25.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
My son is in school for his A&P license, and the school allows him to obtain
$40 worth of new tools every semester. He obtained a set of 50 3/32"
clecos (silver) and 50 1/8" clecos (copper), along with a cleco pliers, to
get us started on our tools. I tested one of each cleco size on a plastic
size guage, and I noticed that the 1/"8" cleco slips into the hole easily
when compressed, while the 3/32" requires a slight amount of force to insert
into the hole. Both hold snugly when released. How should these clecos
normally fit when inserting into the hole? Is there a possible problem with
the 3/32" clecos, or is it OK to have a slight amount of friction when
inserting?
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
Madison, WI
davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net
601XL - kit ordered, registered for August workshop
Do Not Archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I think the answer is found in the fact that the silver clecoes are not
3/32nd, but actually #40 which is bigger than 3/32nds.
They slip into the #40 hole quite easily.
$40 worth of tools eh?..Gee that's like 1 dimple die...:)
Frank
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
VanLanen
Subject: Zenith-List: Cleco Fit
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
--> <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
My son is in school for his A&P license, and the school allows him to
obtain $40 worth of new tools every semester. He obtained a set of 50
3/32"
clecos (silver) and 50 1/8" clecos (copper), along with a cleco pliers,
to get us started on our tools. I tested one of each cleco size on a
plastic size guage, and I noticed that the 1/"8" cleco slips into the
hole easily when compressed, while the 3/32" requires a slight amount of
force to insert into the hole. Both hold snugly when released. How
should these clecos normally fit when inserting into the hole? Is there
a possible problem with the 3/32" clecos, or is it OK to have a slight
amount of friction when inserting?
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
Madison, WI
davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net
601XL - kit ordered, registered for August workshop
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I've noticed difficulty getting clecos in and out of holes when the
drilled holes are not perfectly lined up. After all, it is keeping
these holes lined up that is the primary job of clecos.
I don't think of this as a problem. So long as the clecos grab all
the pieces of metal they are in contact with I think they are doing their job.
Good luck on your project.
Paul
XL barely started
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
><davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
>
>My son is in school for his A&P license, and the school allows him to obtain
>$40 worth of new tools every semester. He obtained a set of 50 3/32"
>clecos (silver) and 50 1/8" clecos (copper), along with a cleco pliers, to
>get us started on our tools. I tested one of each cleco size on a plastic
>size guage, and I noticed that the 1/"8" cleco slips into the hole easily
>when compressed, while the 3/32" requires a slight amount of force to insert
>into the hole. Both hold snugly when released. How should these clecos
>normally fit when inserting into the hole? Is there a possible problem with
>the 3/32" clecos, or is it OK to have a slight amount of friction when
>inserting?
>
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| Subject: | Re: cruise speed ? What is the hurry? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I just cant understand why is the hurry? The ZAC airplanes fly great and easy
(At least the 701 does) , I am sure that the faster airplanes are more faster
to land and need aways hard surfaces to land. ZAC airplanes might be a few
MPH slowers but can land with no problem in any grass strip... Is dificult to
have everything in an airplane.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Dave Austin <daveaustin2@sprint.ca> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin"
Frank,
It is not max power as I set the prop to get the 5300 rpm at vac of 25.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | cruise speed ? What is the hurry? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Well actually its impossible to have everything in one airplane...
I have family that lives 1200miles away on the other side of the Rockie
mountains...And my Wife wants us to fly ourselves there...Hard to
imagine such a journey in a 701...:)
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? What is the hurry?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I just cant understand why is the hurry? The ZAC airplanes fly great
and easy (At least the 701 does) , I am sure that the faster airplanes
are more faster to land and need aways hard surfaces to land. ZAC
airplanes might be a few MPH slowers but can land with no problem in any
grass strip... Is dificult to have everything in an airplane.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Dave Austin <daveaustin2@sprint.ca> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin"
Frank,
It is not max power as I set the prop to get the 5300 rpm at vac of 25.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" <rlee468@comcast.net>
If you are going to fly regularly 1200 miles one way, you have the wrong airplane.
You should be instrament rated, your gages must be perfect, and it goes on
and on. You will get weathered in and have to take commercial transportation
home, then you have to get back to pick up your plane somehow! Trust me, I've
been there.
Ron
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Ditto Ron,
I have a Mooney that cruses at 160 mph and IFR rating. I find it
cheaper to fly commercial with $4 a gallon fuel.
Ron
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>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" <rlee468@comcast.net>
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>If you are going to fly regularly 1200 miles one way, you have the wrong airplane.
You should be instrament rated, your gages must be perfect, and it goes
on and on. You will get weathered in and have to take commercial transportation
home, then you have to get back to pick up your plane somehow! Trust me, I've
been there.
>Ron
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| Subject: | STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
Dear experts ( or others with opinions),
Regarding the 701 horizontal stabilizer. An EAA counselor who took a look
at my project recently suggested drilling small drain holes at the low point
in the stabilizer skin, since he felt the unusual shape might lead to an
accumulation of water leaking into the part. Has anyone had such an experience,
or is this, as I suspect, a matter of a counselor simply unfamiliar with this
design.
He also questioned the robustness of the tail tie down point, done per
Zenith plans. I admit it is not terribly impressive but.... Has anyone had this
tie down prove inadequate, or otherwise felt the need to improve on the
design?
Jim Greenough
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Well I guess us Sport Pilot types will just have to stay home.
-- Craig
Ron Lee wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" <rlee468@comcast.net>
>
> If you are going to fly regularly 1200 miles one way, you have the wrong airplane.
You should be instrament rated, your gages must be perfect, and it goes
on and on. You will get weathered in and have to take commercial transportation
home, then you have to get back to pick up your plane somehow! Trust me, I've
been there.
> Ron
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| Subject: | STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Reuschle" <jreuschle@mindspring.com>
This is standard procedure. There should be weep holes in low points of the
fuselage too
Jeff Reuschle
CH 701JR
> [Original Message]
> From: <Tebenkof@aol.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 7/25/2005 8:37:16 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
>
> Dear experts ( or others with opinions),
>
> Regarding the 701 horizontal stabilizer. An EAA counselor who took a
look
> at my project recently suggested drilling small drain holes at the low
point
> in the stabilizer skin, since he felt the unusual shape might lead to an
> accumulation of water leaking into the part. Has anyone had such an
experience,
> or is this, as I suspect, a matter of a counselor simply unfamiliar with
this
> design.
>
> He also questioned the robustness of the tail tie down point, done per
> Zenith plans. I admit it is not terribly impressive but.... Has anyone
had this
> tie down prove inadequate, or otherwise felt the need to improve on the
> design?
>
> Jim Greenough
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>Well I guess us Sport Pilot types will just have to stay home.
Actually, it sounds more Sporting to me to go ahead and fly my LSA
the 1200 miles. It might take a few days (or weeks?) but that is
part of the sporting part . . .
Paul
XL barely started
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| Subject: | Re: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
The hoz in not water tight, water will leak out, don't believe I would drill
any extra holes. The tie down looks plenty tuff to me. It's as strong as
anything else on the 701, maybe stronger. As a Technical Advisor, I have
never questioned the tie down. Not saying yours did, but some advisors
don't think they do a good job unless they find something to question. If
that's all he questioned, you did good. Larry Martin, N1345L
www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: <Tebenkof@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
>
> Dear experts ( or others with opinions),
>
> Regarding the 701 horizontal stabilizer. An EAA counselor who took a
look
> at my project recently suggested drilling small drain holes at the low
point
> in the stabilizer skin, since he felt the unusual shape might lead to an
> accumulation of water leaking into the part. Has anyone had such an
experience,
> or is this, as I suspect, a matter of a counselor simply unfamiliar with
this
> design.
>
> He also questioned the robustness of the tail tie down point, done per
> Zenith plans. I admit it is not terribly impressive but.... Has anyone
had this
> tie down prove inadequate, or otherwise felt the need to improve on the
> design?
>
> Jim Greenough
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Jim,
I don't think its really built so water tight that it could fill with
water, it will most likely leak
out of the bottom rear area. But it wouldn't hurt by squirting some fresh
water in there and see what happens. I am going to put a couple of drain holes
in the rear fuse near the gear channel also. That looks like it could
accumulate some.
Brian
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron or Erin Weich <iveyvet01@sprynet.com>
My 801 has static ports on either side of the empennage box yoked
together. I'm not sure if the theoretical advantages of dual ports are
realized, but GPS runs so far show the indicated airspeed to be fairly
accurate.
Ron Weich
N801TB
Las Cruces, NM
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| Subject: | She's Airworthy! - and fuel tank vent question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
Hi all,
N414PZ, my HDS, just passed her airworthiness inspection today - after 7 only
short years! Thanks to a few local friends, including 701 builder Win Ellis, and
this list, I can finally breath a (short) sigh of relief.
My DAR had a question about the fuel vent on the ZAC-supplied leading edge tank,
and wondered if it should be shorter, or perhaps terminated differently, in order
to
avoid a low pressure condition that could suck fuel. Mine is cut off flat (parallel
to
the underside of the wing) and protrudes 16 mm down from the wing bottom.
Any comments?
Thanks! Paul
Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300A, finishing stages
Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl
Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Tie Down 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Jim,
I was thinking about beefing this up and installing an eyebolt there in the
future but
I went with the Zenith design because it is basically the toughest thing in
the rear tail area. The longerons and skin its attached to isn't exactly the
most robust thing
I've ever seen. Without beefing up the whole tail area, I don't know if it
would be worth it.
I'm not flying mine yet so take this for what its worth.
Brian
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| Subject: | Re: She's Airworthy! - and fuel tank vent question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
Yaaaaaaay! Now you can take deep breath and fly!
My fuel vents are about 30mm long and have a 45 degree cut facing forward
per plans. When the tanks are full, fuel can be vented during takeoff.
(I think that it is due to fuel shlossing about.)
I've had a few reports from other pilots who said it looked like I was
using smoke. When the fuel level is below the vent pipe inside the tank
the fuel stays in the tank.
Congrats, Joe E
N633Z @ BFI
CH601XL, Jabiru 3300
229 hours
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Paul Hartl wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
> Hi all,
> N414PZ, my HDS, just passed her airworthiness inspection today - after 7 only
> short years! Thanks to a few local friends, including 701 builder Win Ellis,
and
> this list, I can finally breath a (short) sigh of relief.
>
> My DAR had a question about the fuel vent on the ZAC-supplied leading edge tank,
> and wondered if it should be shorter, or perhaps terminated differently, in order
to
> avoid a low pressure condition that could suck fuel. Mine is cut off flat (parallel
to
> the underside of the wing) and protrudes 16 mm down from the wing bottom.
> Any comments?
>
> Thanks! Paul
>
> Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300A, finishing stages
>
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