---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/25/05: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:22 AM - Re: Battery drained? (Thilo Kind) 2. 04:15 AM - cruise speed ? (Grant Corriveau) 3. 06:46 AM - Published speed numbers, HDS (charles.long@gm.com) 4. 06:58 AM - Piano Hinge Mod. (Larry) 5. 07:03 AM - Cracked Muffler, Jabiru 3300 on 601HDS (charles.long@gm.com) 6. 07:34 AM - Re: Cracked Muffler, Jabiru 3300 on 601HDS (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 7. 07:47 AM - Re: cruise speed ? (Dave Austin) 8. 08:24 AM - Re: cruise speed ? (Richard McLachlan) 9. 09:20 AM - Re: cruise speed ? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 10. 09:25 AM - Jabiru 3300 Air Cooling Ducts (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 11. 09:45 AM - 701 TUBING Suppliers... (Bima, Martin) 12. 10:22 AM - Re: I got a straight flush in "Let It Ride" (Kent Brown) 13. 10:54 AM - Re: I got a straight flush in "Let It Ride" (Todd Osborne) 14. 12:04 PM - Re: Propeller pitch (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 15. 12:41 PM - Re: cruise speed ? (Dave Austin) 16. 12:42 PM - Re: cruise speed ? (Dave Austin) 17. 03:13 PM - Cleco Fit (Dave VanLanen) 18. 03:35 PM - Re: Cleco Fit (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 19. 03:47 PM - Re: Cleco Fit (Paul Mulwitz) 20. 03:58 PM - Re: cruise speed ? What is the hurry? (Gary Gower) 21. 04:16 PM - Re: cruise speed ? What is the hurry? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 22. 04:57 PM - 1200 miles (Ron Lee) 23. 05:20 PM - Re: 1200 miles (ron dewees) 24. 05:37 PM - STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? (Tebenkof@aol.com) 25. 06:17 PM - Re: 1200 miles (Craig Payne) 26. 06:41 PM - Re: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? (Jeff Reuschle) 27. 07:01 PM - Re: 1200 miles (Paul Mulwitz) 28. 07:08 PM - Re: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? (Larry) 29. 07:21 PM - Re: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? (RURUNY@aol.com) 30. 07:40 PM - 801 Static port (Ron or Erin Weich) 31. 08:21 PM - She's Airworthy! - and fuel tank vent question (Paul Hartl) 32. 09:30 PM - Re: Tail Tie Down 701 (RURUNY@aol.com) 33. 11:39 PM - Re: She's Airworthy! - and fuel tank vent question (xl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:57 AM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Battery drained? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Hi Johann, did you install a charging control light? If not, make sure, that the contact C (I believe, this is the contact for the charging control light) is not connected to ground. Otherwise it will shorten the battery, whenever the alternator is not supplying enough juice (i.e. engine off). This would drain your battery in no time. Best regards Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johann G." Subject: Zenith-List: Battery drained? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." > > Hello list members. > > I just took a long cross country trip on my new plane on Friday.The weather was as good as it gets, calm winds, no turbulence and sunny with visibility 10+. We started the trip at 5 pm and landed at 5 am and flew the hole night in bright conditions. Had a great time, but when we were departing from the last field before my home airstrip, the battery was dead. > The Stratomaster had indicated full 13,4 volts all the time and I never had any trouble starting the plane during the trip, except there in the middle of the night and nowhere to find help at any airfield. I called a friend who I knew was awake and he brought the starter cables and we had to jump start the Zenith 701. Started right up, but the hardest thing was to re-fit the bottom plate under the fuselage while the engine was running. Lots of screws to screw in. > > I do not know why the engine is not charging the battery. Have not had the time to measure anything, but I just thought someone could give me some ideas about why this could be happening. > The engine is a Rotax 912 UL with standard reg/rec and hooked up according to the Rotax manual. I do not have the extra alternator installed on the engine, and the instruments I am using are Stratomaster EMS and the Microair transceiver. Sometimes I turn on the fuel pump to pump from the wing tanks to the header tank. Could this too much for the charging unit in the standard engine? > > Hope you can help, > > Best wishes, > Johann G. > Iceland. > Joeing 701 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:34 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Whiteaker" > > Zenith web site states a max cruise speed of 138 mph. What have you found to > be > a normal cruise speed in real life? I ferried a friends XL last winter and averaged an honest 135 mph throughout the day. His plane was equipped with a Rotax 912s and a constant speed prop. I was using about 5000 engine rpm and 25" manifold pressure at approx. 2,000 asl with temps averaging around -10C to 0-ish. (didn't have the charts so I'm not sure what percent of power this represents). In other words, with the right engine/power combination, 138 mph is not too far off as an attainable top-end speed. -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:40 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Published speed numbers, HDS From: charles.long@gm.com 07/25/2005 09:44:41 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com My nose gear 601 HDS with wheel pants and Jabiru 3300 has a max cruise speed of 139 mph at 7500 ft. Climb at sea level is slightly below the 1000 fpm published number. This was generated at a gross weight of 1200 lb. Hope to see another 100-200 fpm improvement in climb as my engine breaks in. Not sure if there's much more to be had on cruise numbers but since my wife purchased the book "Speed with Economy" for my birthday, I've been iching to find out. Chuck Long N601LE, 15 hr TT Time: 06:53:06 PM PST US From: "Dave Whiteaker" Subject: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Whiteaker" Zenith web site states a max cruise speed of 138 mph. What have you found to be a normal cruise speed in real life? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:26 AM PST US From: "Larry" Subject: Zenith-List: Piano Hinge Mod. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" Here's another small modification I made to my plane. www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/piano.html. I found that removing and reinstalling the doors using the piano hinges to be difficult and unacceptable, so I fixed it. If you have any problems going directly to the page, go to my site and look for DOOR HINGE FIX. Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:41 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Cracked Muffler, Jabiru 3300 on 601HDS From: charles.long@gm.com 07/25/2005 10:02:34 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com I have a cracked muffler after only 15 hr TT on my 601 HDS with Jabiru 3300. A couple things to note. First, the fit was very tight between the muffler pipes and header pipes. In retrospect, I should have remove more material for a looser fit so the springs could help take out any vibrations. Second, this failure occurred about two hours after installing muffler insulation wrap. Not sure if this was a coincidence or not. Read a email string from someone else who also had the same thing happen after using muffler wrap. I had a burn spot on the bottom of the cowl or I would never have used the stuff in the first place. Now, after the muffler dropped down, the burned spot is even bigger. Will use a metal heat shield next time around. The noise level definitely increased, which prompted me to shake the exhaust pipe on next preflight. Sure enough it was loose. Suggest to the rest of you that you consider adding this to your preflights for the obvious safety reasons, especially in the winter if you're using cabin heat off the muffler. My question to the group is: has anyone else dealt with this issue and have you come up with a better solution? Has ZAC or Jabiru provided replacement parts, hopefully free, that are a design improvement? I noticed in the archives that with the 912's, they went with a ball socket arrangement. Snowmobiles have used this approach for years with great success. Not sure if they if they went this route with the Jabiru's though, as the 6 cylinders tend to have less vibrations than the 4's. I'm going to put a call into both ZAC and Jabiru today, but probably won't be many folks tending the ranch this week with the Oshkosh show. I know of a good welder, but don't want this muffler to break again, especially with winter not all that far away. Using best practice on this issue is essential! Thanks Chuck Long N601LE, 15 hr TT ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:04 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Cracked Muffler, Jabiru 3300 on 601HDS From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Congrats on getting your plane flying Chuck. Now about the muffler...I don't have specific Jab experience but I can tell you that ex pipe cracking just after wrapping it is very common. Here's why....When you wrap the pipes they now cannot loose heat like they did when upwrapped (duh, that's part of the idea right)...The problem is the pipes now get much hotter which translates into more expansion. Depending how the exhaust is welded up it may be that as the pipes get longer, they have no where to go and they end up stressing the joints where the pipes join together. After just a few heat/cool cycles this is enough to crack to the joint. Welding the joint back up will not prevent this from happening again. You need to find a way to accommodate the expansion. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charles.long@gm.com Subject: Zenith-List: Cracked Muffler, Jabiru 3300 on 601HDS --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com I have a cracked muffler after only 15 hr TT on my 601 HDS with Jabiru 3300. A couple things to note. First, the fit was very tight between the muffler pipes and header pipes. In retrospect, I should have remove more material for a looser fit so the springs could help take out any vibrations. Second, this failure occurred about two hours after installing muffler insulation wrap. Not sure if this was a coincidence or not. Read a email string from someone else who also had the same thing happen after using muffler wrap. I had a burn spot on the bottom of the cowl or I would never have used the stuff in the first place. Now, after the muffler dropped down, the burned spot is even bigger. Will use a metal heat shield next time around. The noise level definitely increased, which prompted me to shake the exhaust pipe on next preflight. Sure enough it was loose. Suggest to the rest of you that you consider adding this to your preflights for the obvious safety reasons, especially in the winter if you're using cabin heat off the muffler. My question to the group is: has anyone else dealt with this issue and have you come up with a better solution? Has ZAC or Jabiru provided replacement parts, hopefully free, that are a design improvement? I noticed in the archives that with the 912's, they went with a ball socket arrangement. Snowmobiles have used this approach for years with great success. Not sure if they if they went this route with the Jabiru's though, as the 6 cylinders tend to have less vibrations than the 4's. I'm going to put a call into both ZAC and Jabiru today, but probably won't be many folks tending the ranch this week with the Oshkosh show. I know of a good welder, but don't want this muffler to break again, especially with winter not all that far away. Using best practice on this issue is essential! Thanks Chuck Long N601LE, 15 hr TT ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:35 AM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" With Rotax 912, Arplast air adjustable prop, radiator and oil rad inside the cowl, my HDS trike will cruise at 120 mph IAS using 5300 rpm Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:29 AM PST US From: "Richard McLachlan" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan" You are lucky. On our 601HDS trike with wheel spats we only get 102 mph IAS with a Rotax 912, Warp Drive prop fixed at 13 degrees and 5000 RPM. When the OAT is above about 25 degrees C, we have to run at 4800 RPM or less to keep the oil temp down to 110 degrees C. This lowers the cruise speed to 95 mph IAS. We have the Rotax oil rad inside the cowling. We used to have a more efficient oil rad which worked better, but had to remove it and fit the (inferior) Rotax model to allow the 912 TBO to be increased from 500 hours to 1500 hours. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" > > With Rotax 912, Arplast air adjustable prop, radiator and oil rad inside the > cowl, my HDS trike will cruise at 120 mph IAS using 5300 rpm > Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I think there is a lot of potential comparing apples to oranges here. For example, 5300rpm at sea level is about max power...sure the "cruise" will be 120mph indicated, but this would not be a good place to run the motor. At 7500feet at 5300rpm it will probably also be doing close to 120mph actual (but probably not indicated on the ASI) this will be close to 75% power but my experience tells me the Bing carbs do not lean properly so the fuel flow will be more than 75%, at least as far as my fuel flow gizmo tells me. Unless you know the altitude and what the actual speed is then these types of comparisons are not that useful..for example, ZAC tells you to take the static source from inside the cockpit...this will artificially raise the IAS. For me I see about 125mph at max power at 7500ft...Which of course is about a 75% cruise. I don't run the engine there though, I baby it back to about 4.8GPH (4200 rpm) and its doing about 105mph....But I also removed the main wheelpants and forgot to put them back on...:) I run a Subaru but the max RPM's are about the same as the Rotax and the power outputs similar. Frank Stratus with ram heads 601 HDS. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard McLachlan Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan" --> You are lucky. On our 601HDS trike with wheel spats we only get 102 mph IAS with a Rotax 912, Warp Drive prop fixed at 13 degrees and 5000 RPM. When the OAT is above about 25 degrees C, we have to run at 4800 RPM or less to keep the oil temp down to 110 degrees C. This lowers the cruise speed to 95 mph IAS. We have the Rotax oil rad inside the cowling. We used to have a more efficient oil rad which worked better, but had to remove it and fit the (inferior) Rotax model to allow the 912 TBO to be increased from 500 hours to 1500 hours. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" > > With Rotax 912, Arplast air adjustable prop, radiator and oil rad inside the > cowl, my HDS trike will cruise at 120 mph IAS using 5300 rpm > Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:30 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 Air Cooling Ducts --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Dear Thread Friends, I need a little information. Somewhere I have seen photos of modifications builders have made to the air ducts to improve air distribution. I remember seeing photos of small "L" angles riveted inside to divert air down to the center cylinder. Also, I have seen a photo of added pipes coming out of the rear on each duct running down to blow air on the mags. Does this ring a bell with anyone ? Did it help cool these areas ? Please link me to either the modifier or the photos if you can. Just finished my 5 hour maintenance and putting on wheel pants. Hope to be back in the air by mid week if the weather will cooperate, Best regards, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:25 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 701 TUBING Suppliers... From: "Bima, Martin" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" Hello List, I am looking to buy the 4130 tubing for my 701. Suppliers in Canada are rare and/or expensive. Can some builders please reply with good suppliers along the route from Minneapolis MN to Gary IN to Indianapolis IN to Dayton OH to Morgantown WV to Washington DC to Niagara Falls NY to Battle Creek MI. Thanks Martin Bima STOL-Vair www.mts.net/~embima ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:16 AM PST US From: "Kent Brown" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: I got a straight flush in "Let It Ride" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" Don't forget the taxes that will be due next April, maybe don't want to spend it all just yet. But even so, I think you're the only one I know to finance your Zenith this way. Way to go! Kent Do not archive > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I got a straight flush in "Let It Ride" > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com > > > Congratulations Todd !!!! > > Let's see - $2500 in tail kit and $2500 in workshop improvements? > I see Binford stock rising on Monday.....LOL > > Happy riveting! > > > Tracy Smith > Naugatuck, CT > 601xl tail 100% wings on the way > N458XL (reserved) > do not archive > > > Visiting my dad over the weekend, we went to the casino boat in > Metropolis, IL and I managed to hit a straight flush in Let It Ride > poker. The $5 bet paid $5000! So what does this have to do with > Zenith airplanes? A lot, but only to me :-) After almost a year of > doing nothing except reading this list, I finally get to order the > rest of the tail kit now! :-) > > do not archive > > Todd > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: I got a straight flush in "Let It Ride" From: "Todd Osborne" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Todd Osborne" Hehe, true. I only have to pay taxes on $2000 of it, so yeah, I will set some aside for taxes, but I should have enough to buy a few metal thingamajigs. do not archive Todd > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" > > Don't forget the taxes that will be due next April, maybe don't want to > spend it all just yet. But even so, I think you're the only one I know to > finance your Zenith this way. Way to go! > > Kent > Do not archive > >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I got a straight flush in "Let It Ride" >> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com >> >> >> Congratulations Todd !!!! >> >> Let's see - $2500 in tail kit and $2500 in workshop improvements? >> I see Binford stock rising on Monday.....LOL >> >> Happy riveting! >> >> >> Tracy Smith >> Naugatuck, CT >> 601xl tail 100% wings on the way >> N458XL (reserved) >> do not archive >> >> >> Visiting my dad over the weekend, we went to the casino boat in >> Metropolis, IL and I managed to hit a straight flush in Let It Ride >> poker. The $5 bet paid $5000! So what does this have to do with >> Zenith airplanes? A lot, but only to me :-) After almost a year of >> doing nothing except reading this list, I finally get to order the >> rest of the tail kit now! :-) >> >> do not archive >> >> Todd >> >> >> >> >> > > Todd Osborne Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com Web Site: www.toddtown.com MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:34 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Propeller pitch From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Dick, So sorry to hear of your situation...No where near as bad as yours but I ruptured a disc last year having never had back pain before...Oh boy it got my attention! In answer to your question I think I settled on about 13 degrees for good all round performance. Frank 601HDS stratus with Ram heads -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DICK WILBERS Subject: Zenith-List: Propeller pitch --> Zenith-List message posted by: "DICK WILBERS" --> Dear list: I would like some feedback from those of you who have Stratus Subaru engines installed on the 601 HDS airframe, utilizing a 3 blade Warp Drive propeller, regarding the pitch angles necessary for all around flight characteristics. I am in a body brace for 3 months following spinal reconstructive surgery, and I have a lot of time to do nothing but plan and make copious notes and "to-do's". Unfortunately I can't even be a passenger in a car until Aug 15th, ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:30 PM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" Frank, that was at 3500 to 4000 ft. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:51 PM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" Frank, It is not max power as I set the prop to get the 5300 rpm at vac of 25. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:19 PM PST US From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith-List: Cleco Fit --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" My son is in school for his A&P license, and the school allows him to obtain $40 worth of new tools every semester. He obtained a set of 50 3/32" clecos (silver) and 50 1/8" clecos (copper), along with a cleco pliers, to get us started on our tools. I tested one of each cleco size on a plastic size guage, and I noticed that the 1/"8" cleco slips into the hole easily when compressed, while the 3/32" requires a slight amount of force to insert into the hole. Both hold snugly when released. How should these clecos normally fit when inserting into the hole? Is there a possible problem with the 3/32" clecos, or is it OK to have a slight amount of friction when inserting? Thanks, Dave Van Lanen Madison, WI davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net 601XL - kit ordered, registered for August workshop Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:03 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Cleco Fit From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I think the answer is found in the fact that the silver clecoes are not 3/32nd, but actually #40 which is bigger than 3/32nds. They slip into the #40 hole quite easily. $40 worth of tools eh?..Gee that's like 1 dimple die...:) Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave VanLanen Subject: Zenith-List: Cleco Fit --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" --> My son is in school for his A&P license, and the school allows him to obtain $40 worth of new tools every semester. He obtained a set of 50 3/32" clecos (silver) and 50 1/8" clecos (copper), along with a cleco pliers, to get us started on our tools. I tested one of each cleco size on a plastic size guage, and I noticed that the 1/"8" cleco slips into the hole easily when compressed, while the 3/32" requires a slight amount of force to insert into the hole. Both hold snugly when released. How should these clecos normally fit when inserting into the hole? Is there a possible problem with the 3/32" clecos, or is it OK to have a slight amount of friction when inserting? Thanks, Dave Van Lanen Madison, WI davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net 601XL - kit ordered, registered for August workshop Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:58 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cleco Fit --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz I've noticed difficulty getting clecos in and out of holes when the drilled holes are not perfectly lined up. After all, it is keeping these holes lined up that is the primary job of clecos. I don't think of this as a problem. So long as the clecos grab all the pieces of metal they are in contact with I think they are doing their job. Good luck on your project. Paul XL barely started >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" > > >My son is in school for his A&P license, and the school allows him to obtain >$40 worth of new tools every semester. He obtained a set of 50 3/32" >clecos (silver) and 50 1/8" clecos (copper), along with a cleco pliers, to >get us started on our tools. I tested one of each cleco size on a plastic >size guage, and I noticed that the 1/"8" cleco slips into the hole easily >when compressed, while the 3/32" requires a slight amount of force to insert >into the hole. Both hold snugly when released. How should these clecos >normally fit when inserting into the hole? Is there a possible problem with >the 3/32" clecos, or is it OK to have a slight amount of friction when >inserting? > >Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:57 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? What is the hurry? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower I just cant understand why is the hurry? The ZAC airplanes fly great and easy (At least the 701 does) , I am sure that the faster airplanes are more faster to land and need aways hard surfaces to land. ZAC airplanes might be a few MPH slowers but can land with no problem in any grass strip... Is dificult to have everything in an airplane. Saludos Gary Gower. Dave Austin wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" Frank, It is not max power as I set the prop to get the 5300 rpm at vac of 25. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:56 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? What is the hurry? From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Well actually its impossible to have everything in one airplane... I have family that lives 1200miles away on the other side of the Rockie mountains...And my Wife wants us to fly ourselves there...Hard to imagine such a journey in a 701...:) Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cruise speed ? What is the hurry? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower I just cant understand why is the hurry? The ZAC airplanes fly great and easy (At least the 701 does) , I am sure that the faster airplanes are more faster to land and need aways hard surfaces to land. ZAC airplanes might be a few MPH slowers but can land with no problem in any grass strip... Is dificult to have everything in an airplane. Saludos Gary Gower. Dave Austin wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" Frank, It is not max power as I set the prop to get the 5300 rpm at vac of 25. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:21 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Zenith-List: 1200 miles --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" If you are going to fly regularly 1200 miles one way, you have the wrong airplane. You should be instrament rated, your gages must be perfect, and it goes on and on. You will get weathered in and have to take commercial transportation home, then you have to get back to pick up your plane somehow! Trust me, I've been there. Ron Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:55 PM PST US From: ron dewees Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 1200 miles --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees Ditto Ron, I have a Mooney that cruses at 160 mph and IFR rating. I find it cheaper to fly commercial with $4 a gallon fuel. Ron do not archive Ron Lee wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" > >If you are going to fly regularly 1200 miles one way, you have the wrong airplane. You should be instrament rated, your gages must be perfect, and it goes on and on. You will get weathered in and have to take commercial transportation home, then you have to get back to pick up your plane somehow! Trust me, I've been there. >Ron >Do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:53 PM PST US From: Tebenkof@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com Dear experts ( or others with opinions), Regarding the 701 horizontal stabilizer. An EAA counselor who took a look at my project recently suggested drilling small drain holes at the low point in the stabilizer skin, since he felt the unusual shape might lead to an accumulation of water leaking into the part. Has anyone had such an experience, or is this, as I suspect, a matter of a counselor simply unfamiliar with this design. He also questioned the robustness of the tail tie down point, done per Zenith plans. I admit it is not terribly impressive but.... Has anyone had this tie down prove inadequate, or otherwise felt the need to improve on the design? Jim Greenough ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:51 PM PST US From: Craig Payne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 1200 miles --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne Well I guess us Sport Pilot types will just have to stay home. -- Craig Ron Lee wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" > > If you are going to fly regularly 1200 miles one way, you have the wrong airplane. You should be instrament rated, your gages must be perfect, and it goes on and on. You will get weathered in and have to take commercial transportation home, then you have to get back to pick up your plane somehow! Trust me, I've been there. > Ron > Do not archive > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:38 PM PST US From: "Jeff Reuschle" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Reuschle" This is standard procedure. There should be weep holes in low points of the fuselage too Jeff Reuschle CH 701JR > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 7/25/2005 8:37:16 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com > > Dear experts ( or others with opinions), > > Regarding the 701 horizontal stabilizer. An EAA counselor who took a look > at my project recently suggested drilling small drain holes at the low point > in the stabilizer skin, since he felt the unusual shape might lead to an > accumulation of water leaking into the part. Has anyone had such an experience, > or is this, as I suspect, a matter of a counselor simply unfamiliar with this > design. > > He also questioned the robustness of the tail tie down point, done per > Zenith plans. I admit it is not terribly impressive but.... Has anyone had this > tie down prove inadequate, or otherwise felt the need to improve on the > design? > > Jim Greenough > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:22 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 1200 miles --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz >Well I guess us Sport Pilot types will just have to stay home. Actually, it sounds more Sporting to me to go ahead and fly my LSA the 1200 miles. It might take a few days (or weeks?) but that is part of the sporting part . . . Paul XL barely started do not archive - ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:07 PM PST US From: "Larry" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" The hoz in not water tight, water will leak out, don't believe I would drill any extra holes. The tie down looks plenty tuff to me. It's as strong as anything else on the 701, maybe stronger. As a Technical Advisor, I have never questioned the tie down. Not saying yours did, but some advisors don't think they do a good job unless they find something to question. If that's all he questioned, you did good. Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com > > Dear experts ( or others with opinions), > > Regarding the 701 horizontal stabilizer. An EAA counselor who took a look > at my project recently suggested drilling small drain holes at the low point > in the stabilizer skin, since he felt the unusual shape might lead to an > accumulation of water leaking into the part. Has anyone had such an experience, > or is this, as I suspect, a matter of a counselor simply unfamiliar with this > design. > > He also questioned the robustness of the tail tie down point, done per > Zenith plans. I admit it is not terribly impressive but.... Has anyone had this > tie down prove inadequate, or otherwise felt the need to improve on the > design? > > Jim Greenough > > > -- > > -- ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:24 PM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: STABILIZER DRAIN HOLES? --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com Jim, I don't think its really built so water tight that it could fill with water, it will most likely leak out of the bottom rear area. But it wouldn't hurt by squirting some fresh water in there and see what happens. I am going to put a couple of drain holes in the rear fuse near the gear channel also. That looks like it could accumulate some. Brian ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:00 PM PST US From: Ron or Erin Weich Subject: Zenith-List: 801 Static port --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron or Erin Weich My 801 has static ports on either side of the empennage box yoked together. I'm not sure if the theoretical advantages of dual ports are realized, but GPS runs so far show the indicated airspeed to be fairly accurate. Ron Weich N801TB Las Cruces, NM ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:42 PM PST US From: "Paul Hartl" Subject: Zenith-List: She's Airworthy! - and fuel tank vent question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" Hi all, N414PZ, my HDS, just passed her airworthiness inspection today - after 7 only short years! Thanks to a few local friends, including 701 builder Win Ellis, and this list, I can finally breath a (short) sigh of relief. My DAR had a question about the fuel vent on the ZAC-supplied leading edge tank, and wondered if it should be shorter, or perhaps terminated differently, in order to avoid a low pressure condition that could suck fuel. Mine is cut off flat (parallel to the underside of the wing) and protrudes 16 mm down from the wing bottom. Any comments? Thanks! Paul Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300A, finishing stages Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:34 PM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tail Tie Down 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com Jim, I was thinking about beefing this up and installing an eyebolt there in the future but I went with the Zenith design because it is basically the toughest thing in the rear tail area. The longerons and skin its attached to isn't exactly the most robust thing I've ever seen. Without beefing up the whole tail area, I don't know if it would be worth it. I'm not flying mine yet so take this for what its worth. Brian ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:36 PM PST US From: xl Subject: Re: Zenith-List: She's Airworthy! - and fuel tank vent question --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl Yaaaaaaay! Now you can take deep breath and fly! My fuel vents are about 30mm long and have a 45 degree cut facing forward per plans. When the tanks are full, fuel can be vented during takeoff. (I think that it is due to fuel shlossing about.) I've had a few reports from other pilots who said it looked like I was using smoke. When the fuel level is below the vent pipe inside the tank the fuel stays in the tank. Congrats, Joe E N633Z @ BFI CH601XL, Jabiru 3300 229 hours On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Paul Hartl wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" > Hi all, > N414PZ, my HDS, just passed her airworthiness inspection today - after 7 only > short years! Thanks to a few local friends, including 701 builder Win Ellis, and > this list, I can finally breath a (short) sigh of relief. > > My DAR had a question about the fuel vent on the ZAC-supplied leading edge tank, > and wondered if it should be shorter, or perhaps terminated differently, in order to > avoid a low pressure condition that could suck fuel. Mine is cut off flat (parallel to > the underside of the wing) and protrudes 16 mm down from the wing bottom. > Any comments? > > Thanks! Paul > > Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300A, finishing stages >