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1. 12:43 AM - Re: suzuki g13 (BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz)
2. 12:53 AM - Re: Suzuki G13 engine (Craig Payne)
3. 03:10 AM - Re: Suzuki G13 engine with BRS (Paul Mulwitz)
4. 06:04 AM - Re: Suzuki G13 engine with BRS (William Dominguez)
5. 06:28 AM - Re: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my! (Larry)
6. 06:39 AM - Re: Carburetor Synchronization (Robert Schoenberger)
7. 06:53 AM - Re: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my! (Bill Cardell)
8. 07:47 AM - Re: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my! (Ed Jeffko)
9. 08:21 AM - Re: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my! (Russell J.)
10. 09:16 AM - Re: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my! (Paul Mulwitz)
11. 10:52 AM - Re: Suzuki G13 engine with BRS (Traveling Man)
12. 10:59 AM - Re: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my! (baileys)
13. 12:21 PM - Re: Suzuki G13 engine (Gary Gower)
14. 12:55 PM - Re: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my! (Rich Dodson)
15. 01:34 PM - 701 Progress... (Tommy Walker)
16. 01:43 PM - Re: Suzuki G13 engine (Eddie Seve)
17. 02:38 PM - 601XL Main gear routing (Lincoln Probst)
18. 02:38 PM - 601XL Main gear routing (Lincoln Probst)
19. 05:08 PM - Re: 601XL Main gear routing (Paul Mulwitz)
20. 06:01 PM - Re: Suzuki G13 engine (Larry McFarland)
21. 06:31 PM - Re: Suzuki G13 engine (Craig Payne)
22. 08:40 PM - Re: Suzuki G13 engine (gary)
23. 10:16 PM - Re: 601XL Main gear routing (Brandon Tucker)
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Date: ...8 Jul 2005 09:42:16 +0200 (\214rodkowoeuropejs...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz" <info@bianco.pl>
Yes, that's true - You can drive 180km/h but with NEW engine
with 5-6 year old car it is also possible but for ex. some belt tension
bearing will 'say no'
and probably that's why some people don't like automotive engines in plane.
if You prepare engine well - it has to work.
of course Rotax will be the easiest choose, because of ease of installation,
weight, shape,.. but You have to pay for it.
Many people in Poland flies on Subaru, BMW conversions and I always hear
best opinions. Problem may occur with gearbox, not with engine.
I don't know anybody flying with Suzuki G13 - but will ask. It may be as
good as BMW conversion (fuel inject) and it has turbine - may be
interresting.
In which model man can find that engine?
Tadeusz Forgacz
CH601HD just started
Poland
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki G13 engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Here are a pair of sites you may already know about (linked from
http://www.ch601.org/engines.htm):
http://www.raven-rotor.com/
http://nessaaircraft.net/index.htm
I don't think the conversion you are planning is all that common.
Speaking for myself I would want to talk to a number of people who have
*personally* flown that engine before I tried it. But more power to you,
let's keep the "experiment" in Experimental Aviation. I'm going with
the somewhat proven Corvair conversion ala William Wynne.
-- Craig
chrisoz@bmail.com.au wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: chrisoz@bmail.com.au
>
> Ladies (?) and Gentlemen,
>
> I have recently started to build an other Zodiac, and am pondering the engine
> question at the moment. I have had Rotax 912 (twice), EA 81 and Verner in my
> last Zodies, and except for the Verner which turned out to be a bit anaemic
> (but sooo easy to install) the engines were fine, with the Subaru a bit on the
> heavy side.
>
> Without trying to start an other line of the engine debate, due to financial
> constrains and the non availability of second hand Rotax 912 over here in
> Australia I am seriously thinking about a Suzuki G13 four cylinder engine, 16
> valves, turbo-charged and fuel injected, about 125 hp. I actually already
> bought the car with the overhauled engine installed, so I can test drive for
a
> while. I intend to mate it with a geared reduction drive from Air Trikes in
> Canada. Oh, and put a BRS system in the plane, better safe than sorry, and
> $3600 well spent.
>
> Now here is my question:
>
> Has anybody got experience with the engine set up, any comments or points to
> ponder, warnings (not the automotive engines should not fly bit)?
>
> BTW, I have always been wondering about the "automotive engines are not
> designed to run at high rpm over extended periods of time " bit. I originally
> hail from Germany, and there is no speed limit there. I grew up going 180 km/h
> in my BMW on a regular basis, never getting lower than 5000 odd rpm, along
> with lots of other cars in the speed range. And the engines seem to cope just
> fine.
>
> Just a thought...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris from Oz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki G13 engine with BRS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>put a BRS system in the plane, better safe than sorry, and
>$3600 well spent.
Sorry, Chris. I don't have any information on your engine
question. Instead, I have a question of my own.
Why spend all that money on a BRS? What is the thinking that would
lead you to consider this option? Are you expecting a major
structural failure? Perhaps an engine failure over endless water?
I guess I can't imagine what circumstances would get a pilot to
deploy a parachute on a plane that lands only a little faster than a
man can run.
Paul
XL barely started
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki G13 engine with BRS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Allow me to give you my answer to that question even
if was not directed at me (I hope Chris will give
his).
My answer is with another question: Can you be 100%
sure that the plane you build or the propeller you use
would not have a structural failure? Or you will never
enter in a tail spin at 1000 feet. A failure in the
propeller might mean your whole engine departing the
airframe (it has happened even with certified planes
flying with passengers) and your plane becoming a
glider with the CG close the tail. There might be
other scenarios but dont want to get this too long. I
know a structural failure is a low probability event
but as Chris says better safe than sorry
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL with Corvair
Working on tail
--- Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
>
> >put a BRS system in the plane, better safe than
> sorry, and
> >$3600 well spent.
>
>
> Sorry, Chris. I don't have any information on your
> engine
> question. Instead, I have a question of my own.
>
> Why spend all that money on a BRS? What is the
> thinking that would
> lead you to consider this option? Are you expecting
> a major
> structural failure? Perhaps an engine failure over
> endless water?
>
> I guess I can't imagine what circumstances would get
> a pilot to
> deploy a parachute on a plane that lands only a
> little faster than a
> man can run.
>
> Paul
> XL barely started
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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| Subject: | Re: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
Well I don't understand how a crown on a pulley can keep the belt centered
unless the belt is concaved. It seems to me that a flat belt would want to
wander to one side or the other of the crown. Ben Haas's thought of dishing
the center makes a lot more sense to me. Someone explane this crown logic
to me, in good old boy terms. Maybe I'm just not seeing something.
Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "jim cantrell" <jcant1@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: jim cantrell <jcant1@direcway.com>
>
> In my experience with flat belt drives if you crown the pulley the belt
will
> center itself.
> FWIW dept.
> Jim Cantrell
> Applying adhesive to spar and lift strut brackets today.
> Kitfox 5 TD
> Do not archive.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my!
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
> >
> > Strangely enough, from what I understand you actually want the opposite
> > of a dish in the sprockets to center the belt, IOW, the center should be
> > higher. Counter-intuitive, but if you look at idlers, etc, they are
> > usually made slightly high centered.
> >
> >
> > TurboDog's Dad
> > Bill Cardell
> > www.flyinmiata.com
> > --
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com"
> > --> <n801bh@netzero.com>
> >
> >
> > My redrive does the same thing, the belt wandering is from poor
> > manufacturing. I have been through three belts and all three have had
> > different patterns of moving. Jess at Belted Air sees this all the time.
> > My drive makes a slight noise too at idle too with the cowling off. If
> > you are concerned about your top bearing you can simply grab onto the
> > prop and pull up and down and in and out. If the bearing is going bad
> > you will feel it. It will also run hot so feel it after you shut down
> > the next time.You need to do this pretty quickly as the heat from the
> > engine will transfer into the redrive fast.If the belt is slightly
> > larger on one side then the other it will travel that way when full
> > power is applied. The one way to help this is of the redrive
> > manuracturer will machine a slight dish in the top sprocket, that way
> > the belt will always try to fall into the middle of the sprocket. THe
> > redrive is the only thing I did not fabricate on my plane and it is the
> > only thing that has trie d to kill me. Of course I am transferring
> > several times more power through it then they advertise it will take.
> > Oh, the fun or experimenting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Ben Haas
> > N801BH
> > www.haaspowerair.com
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
--
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| Subject: | Re: Carburetor Synchronization |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Jeff . . . go to John Croke's site at Homebuilthelp.com. He has a very
professional CD that goes through the complete 912 installation. It's well
worth the money, and it will save you a lot of time and prevent possible
mistakes. His other CD's are equally excellent. Robert Schoenberger 701
55%
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey A Beachy" <beachyjeff@juno.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Carburetor Synchronization
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeffrey A Beachy <beachyjeff@juno.com>
>
> Hello list,
>
> my Aug 2005 EAA Sport Pilot contains an article by Philip Lockwood on
> installing Rotax 912 engines. While I am far from that point (working on
> the wings currently) I will be installing a 912ULS on my 701. The article
> mentions that the April and May 2004 issues of EAA Sport Pilot had a . . .
>
>
>
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| Subject: | "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
This http://www.belttechnologies.com/designinfo/crown.html might help
some.
TurboDog's Dad
Bill Cardell
www.flyinmiata.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my!
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
Well I don't understand how a crown on a pulley can keep the belt
centered unless the belt is concaved. It seems to me that a flat belt
would want to wander to one side or the other of the crown. Ben Haas's
thought of dishing
the center makes a lot more sense to me. Someone explane this crown
logic
to me, in good old boy terms. Maybe I'm just not seeing something.
Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "jim cantrell" <jcant1@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: jim cantrell <jcant1@direcway.com>
>
> In my experience with flat belt drives if you crown the pulley the
> belt
will
> center itself.
> FWIW dept.
> Jim Cantrell
> Applying adhesive to spar and lift strut brackets today.
> Kitfox 5 TD
> Do not archive.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my!
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Cardell"
> > --> <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
> >
> > Strangely enough, from what I understand you actually want the
> > opposite of a dish in the sprockets to center the belt, IOW, the
> > center should be higher. Counter-intuitive, but if you look at
> > idlers, etc, they are usually made slightly high centered.
> >
> >
> > TurboDog's Dad
> > Bill Cardell
> > www.flyinmiata.com
> > --
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com"
> > --> <n801bh@netzero.com>
> >
> >
> > My redrive does the same thing, the belt wandering is from poor
> > manufacturing. I have been through three belts and all three have
> > had different patterns of moving. Jess at Belted Air sees this all
the time.
> > My drive makes a slight noise too at idle too with the cowling off.
> > If you are concerned about your top bearing you can simply grab onto
> > the prop and pull up and down and in and out. If the bearing is
> > going bad you will feel it. It will also run hot so feel it after
> > you shut down the next time.You need to do this pretty quickly as
> > the heat from the engine will transfer into the redrive fast.If the
> > belt is slightly larger on one side then the other it will travel
> > that way when full power is applied. The one way to help this is of
> > the redrive manuracturer will machine a slight dish in the top
> > sprocket, that way the belt will always try to fall into the middle
> > of the sprocket. THe redrive is the only thing I did not fabricate
> > on my plane and it is the only thing that has trie d to kill me. Of
> > course I am transferring several times more power through it then
they advertise it will take.
> > Oh, the fun or experimenting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Ben Haas
> > N801BH
> > www.haaspowerair.com
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
--
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| Subject: | Re: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Jeffko" <riovista@bossig.com>
I have an older belt drive, it has a shoulder on both sides of the drive
pully. I'll find out if it works when I fire it up.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
>
> Well I don't understand how a crown on a pulley can keep the belt centered
> unless the belt is concaved. It seems to me that a flat belt would want
to
> wander to one side or the other of the crown. Ben Haas's thought of
dishing
> the center makes a lot more sense to me. Someone explane this crown
logic
> to me, in good old boy terms. Maybe I'm just not seeing something.
> Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jim cantrell" <jcant1@direcway.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my!
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: jim cantrell <jcant1@direcway.com>
> >
> > In my experience with flat belt drives if you crown the pulley the belt
> will
> > center itself.
> > FWIW dept.
> > Jim Cantrell
> > Applying adhesive to spar and lift strut brackets today.
> > Kitfox 5 TD
> > Do not archive.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my!
> >
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Cardell"
<Bill@flyinmiata.com>
> > >
> > > Strangely enough, from what I understand you actually want the
opposite
> > > of a dish in the sprockets to center the belt, IOW, the center should
be
> > > higher. Counter-intuitive, but if you look at idlers, etc, they are
> > > usually made slightly high centered.
> > >
> > >
> > > TurboDog's Dad
> > > Bill Cardell
> > > www.flyinmiata.com
> > > --
> > >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com"
> > > --> <n801bh@netzero.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > My redrive does the same thing, the belt wandering is from poor
> > > manufacturing. I have been through three belts and all three have had
> > > different patterns of moving. Jess at Belted Air sees this all the
time.
> > > My drive makes a slight noise too at idle too with the cowling off. If
> > > you are concerned about your top bearing you can simply grab onto the
> > > prop and pull up and down and in and out. If the bearing is going bad
> > > you will feel it. It will also run hot so feel it after you shut down
> > > the next time.You need to do this pretty quickly as the heat from the
> > > engine will transfer into the redrive fast.If the belt is slightly
> > > larger on one side then the other it will travel that way when full
> > > power is applied. The one way to help this is of the redrive
> > > manuracturer will machine a slight dish in the top sprocket, that way
> > > the belt will always try to fall into the middle of the sprocket. THe
> > > redrive is the only thing I did not fabricate on my plane and it is
the
> > > only thing that has trie d to kill me. Of course I am transferring
> > > several times more power through it then they advertise it will take.
> > > Oh, the fun or experimenting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > Ben Haas
> > > N801BH
> > > www.haaspowerair.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Russell J." <entecrj@sbcglobal.net>
> Well I don't understand how a crown on a pulley can keep the belt centered
> unless the belt is concaved. It seems to me that a flat belt would want
> to
> wander to one side or the other of the crown. Ben Haas's thought of
> dishing
> the center makes a lot more sense to me. Someone explane this crown
> logic
> to me, in good old boy terms. Maybe I'm just not seeing something.
> Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
++++++++++++++++++++++++
flat belts will always try to climb to the high side of a flat pulley, if
you will look at any catalog of belt conveyor products the
drive and tension pulleys will always be crowned.
Even bucket elevator pulleys are crowned.
I spent ten years designing bulk material handling conveyors, and my
experience was that if a belt could not be trained with a crowned pulley,
and the shafts were square with each other, then the problem was with the
plys in the belt construction.
Russell J.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I can't really explain why a crown keeps a belt centered, but I can
give an example of where this technique is used.
Just look at the bearing wheels on a band saw.
Paul
XL Barely Started
At 06:27 AM 7/28/2005, you wrote:
>Well I don't understand how a crown on a pulley can keep the belt centered
>unless the belt is concaved. It seems to me that a flat belt would want to
>wander to one side or the other of the crown. Ben Haas's thought of dishing
>the center makes a lot more sense to me. Someone explane this crown logic
>to me, in good old boy terms. Maybe I'm just not seeing something.
>Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
---------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki G13 engine with BRS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Traveling Man" <travliman58@hotmail.com>
Alow me to add my two cents:
Structural failure is not the only reason to add a BRS to your aircraft.
Engine out at low altitudes and over unlandable terrain make up a large
percentage of the BRS "Saves" list. I think of it as life insurance that
could save my life, and yes, I'll be installing one in my 601. If I can
ever get started on it :)
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| Subject: | Re: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
Could it be that the crown is traveling faster in terms of surface feet per minute
and thus is carrying most of the load which tends to keep it centered?
Bob B.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: "Bearings and Belt Drives" - oh my!
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I can't really explain why a crown keeps a belt centered, but I can
give an example of where this technique is used.
Just look at the bearing wheels on a band saw.
Paul
XL Barely Started
At 06:27 AM 7/28/2005, you wrote:
>Well I don't understand how a crown on a pulley can keep the belt centered
>unless the belt is concaved. It seems to me that a flat belt would want to
>wander to one side or the other of the crown. Ben Haas's thought of dishing
>the center makes a lot more sense to me. Someone explane this crown logic
>to me, in good old boy terms. Maybe I'm just not seeing something.
>Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki G13 engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
The only real expert I know about the 1,300 cc Geo/Suzuky conversion (I research
only by internet) is in Canada. is Mr. Jim Alexandre.
He has a great "do it yourself" page. He does not sell anything of the reduction
or fuel system conversion parts...
Very good page:
http://www.nessaaircraft.net/
Saludos
GaryGower.
Guadalajara, Mexico.
chrisoz@bmail.com.au wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: chrisoz@bmail.com.au
Ladies (?) and Gentlemen,
I have recently started to build an other Zodiac, and am pondering the engine
question at the moment. I have had Rotax 912 (twice), EA 81 and Verner in my
last Zodies, and except for the Verner which turned out to be a bit anaemic
(but sooo easy to install) the engines were fine, with the Subaru a bit on the
heavy side.
Without trying to start an other line of the engine debate, due to financial
constrains and the non availability of second hand Rotax 912 over here in
Australia I am seriously thinking about a Suzuki G13 four cylinder engine, 16
valves, turbo-charged and fuel injected, about 125 hp. I actually already
bought the car with the overhauled engine installed, so I can test drive for a
while. I intend to mate it with a geared reduction drive from Air Trikes in
Canada. Oh, and put a BRS system in the plane, better safe than sorry, and
$3600 well spent.
Now here is my question:
Has anybody got experience with the engine set up, any comments or points to
ponder, warnings (not the automotive engines should not fly bit)?
BTW, I have always been wondering about the "automotive engines are not
designed to run at high rpm over extended periods of time " bit. I originally
hail from Germany, and there is no speed limit there. I grew up going 180 km/h
in my BMW on a regular basis, never getting lower than 5000 odd rpm, along
with lots of other cars in the speed range. And the engines seem to cope just
fine.
Just a thought...
Cheers,
Chris from Oz
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rich Dodson <r_dodson@yahoo.com>
Or could it be that the centrifugal force of the belt going around the pulley tends
to elongate it temporarily (all the "slack" is taken up as it comes over
the top) so the crown is put in to make sure the pulley stays in contact with
the belt? - I should not have slept through all those classes after lunch!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
After several months I'm beginning to see some progress. I started work on
my kit in December. To date I've finished the Rudder, Stabilizer, Elevator
(and trim), Lt. Wing, Rt. Wing, Lt. Flaperon, Rt. Flaperon, Lt. Slat, Rt.
Slat. 2/3 of the A4 rivets are gone too.
I'm taking a week off to work in Oklahoma in order to earn money for a Comm
radio and a few other goodies. I think I will probably go the Icomm radio
route, plus, would like to get a transponder if I make enough money this
coming week. Those of you who look in on my web cam will see less activity
than usual.
So far, it has been a learning experience. An old boss told me that
experience is a hard teacher, it gives you the test, then teaches you the
lesson. I am 62 and retired. I try to work on the plane a little every day
and it looks like it is going to be a 1500 hour project. When I started my
goal was to fly October 31 of this year. It doesn't look I will make that,
so I am shooting for a December date.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the listers in the
Zenith-List for their well thought out advice. Even though many of us
aren't brave enough to offer many comments, we do study a lot of the
discussions. For several years, I was on the AOPA WebBoard. AOPA finally
shut it down because of a few guys who enjoyed harassing the regular
posters. It got to the point that you couldn't ask a question or make a
comment without two or three guys taking things out of context and they next
thing you knew, it was a shouting match.
This is much better. Thanks for all the good advice and especially the good
attitudes.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
http://69.92.2.166/img/main_fs.htm
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| Subject: | Suzuki G13 engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Chris,
I live in Sydney and fly out of Cessnock in the Hunter Valley where a
friend of mine has a similar Suzuki engine installation in his Loehle
P51 Mustang with reduction drive and 4 blade brolga prop, performance
appears to be excellent.
Please contact me off list and I can supply phone number etc.
Regards,
Eddie Seve
eddie.seve@clarity.com
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Subject: Zenith-List: Suzuki G13 engine
--> Zenith-List message posted by: chrisoz@bmail.com.au
Ladies (?) and Gentlemen,
I have recently started to build an other Zodiac, and am pondering the
engine
question at the moment. I have had Rotax 912 (twice), EA 81 and Verner
in my
last Zodies, and except for the Verner which turned out to be a bit
anaemic
(but sooo easy to install) the engines were fine, with the Subaru a bit
on the
heavy side.
Without trying to start an other line of the engine debate, due to
financial
constrains and the non availability of second hand Rotax 912 over here
in
Australia I am seriously thinking about a Suzuki G13 four cylinder
engine, 16
valves, turbo-charged and fuel injected, about 125 hp. I actually
already
bought the car with the overhauled engine installed, so I can test drive
for a
while. I intend to mate it with a geared reduction drive from Air Trikes
in
Canada. Oh, and put a BRS system in the plane, better safe than sorry,
and
$3600 well spent.
Now here is my question:
Has anybody got experience with the engine set up, any comments or
points to
ponder, warnings (not the automotive engines should not fly bit)?
BTW, I have always been wondering about the "automotive engines are not
designed to run at high rpm over extended periods of time " bit. I
originally
hail from Germany, and there is no speed limit there. I grew up going
180 km/h
in my BMW on a regular basis, never getting lower than 5000 odd rpm,
along
with lots of other cars in the speed range. And the engines seem to cope
just
fine.
Just a thought...
Cheers,
Chris from Oz
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| Subject: | 601XL Main gear routing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Lincoln Probst <elprobst@yahoo.com>
Well I have un-routed landing gear... I happen to own a router that I never have
used, what bit would I use to route the 1/4" slot into the leading and trailing
edges of the landing gear? Or would I be better off sending it to a machine shop?
Or, just not do it....
I think this is just so you can put the brake-lines into the edge... the assembly
guide just says use clips which isn't as pretty but is what I may do just for
simplicity's sake.
Thanks for help!
Lincoln
www.1Linc.com
601XL - fuselage
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| Subject: | 601XL Main gear routing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Lincoln Probst <elprobst@yahoo.com>
Well I have un-routed landing gear... I happen to own a router that I never have
used, what bit would I use to route the 1/4" slot into the leading and trailing
edges of the landing gear? Or would I be better off sending it to a machine shop?
Or, just not do it....
I think this is just so you can put the brake-lines into the edge... the assembly
guide just says use clips which isn't as pretty but is what I may do just for
simplicity's sake.
Thanks for help!
Lincoln
www.1Linc.com
601XL - fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Main gear routing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I understand the landing gear part you refer to is a heat treated
metal part. This is not the kind of material your router was
designed to cut. Your router is meant to cut large flat pieces of
wood rather than skinny pieces of metal.
I won't go so far as advising you how to deal with your design
problem. I would say you should consider contacting ZAC if you
intend to mess around with the structure of the landing gear by
cutting away some of the metal.
Paul
XL barely started
>Well I have un-routed landing gear... I happen to own a router that
>I never have
>used, what bit would I use to route the 1/4" slot into the leading
>and trailing
>edges of the landing gear? Or would I be better off sending it to
>a machine shop?
>Or, just not do it....
>
>I think this is just so you can put the brake-lines into the edge...
>the assembly
>guide just says use clips which isn't as pretty but is what I may do just for
>simplicity's sake.
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki G13 engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Chris,
I'd think you'd have considered the Corvair after your experiences.
Lots of data, good history, most mistakes already pointed out. very
inexpensive.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
chrisoz@bmail.com.au wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: chrisoz@bmail.com.au
>
>Ladies (?) and Gentlemen,
>
>I have recently started to build an other Zodiac, and am pondering the engine
>question at the moment. I have had Rotax 912 (twice), EA 81 and Verner in my
>last Zodies, and except for the Verner which turned out to be a bit anaemic
>(but sooo easy to install) the engines were fine, with the Subaru a bit on the
>heavy side.
>
>Without trying to start an other line of the engine debate, due to financial
>constrains and the non availability of second hand Rotax 912 over here in
>Australia I am seriously thinking about a Suzuki G13 four cylinder engine, 16
>valves, turbo-charged and fuel injected, about 125 hp. I actually already
>bought the car with the overhauled engine installed, so I can test drive for a
>while. I intend to mate it with a geared reduction drive from Air Trikes in
>Canada. Oh, and put a BRS system in the plane, better safe than sorry, and
>$3600 well spent.
>
>Now here is my question:
>
>Has anybody got experience with the engine set up, any comments or points to
>ponder, warnings (not the automotive engines should not fly bit)?
>
>BTW, I have always been wondering about the "automotive engines are not
>designed to run at high rpm over extended periods of time " bit. I originally
>hail from Germany, and there is no speed limit there. I grew up going 180 km/h
>in my BMW on a regular basis, never getting lower than 5000 odd rpm, along
>with lots of other cars in the speed range. And the engines seem to cope just
>fine.
>
>Just a thought...
>
>Cheers,
>
> Chris from Oz
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki G13 engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
But not terribly available in Australia?
-- Craig
Larry McFarland wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Chris,
> I'd think you'd have considered the Corvair after your experiences.
> Lots of data, good history, most mistakes already pointed out. very
> inexpensive.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> do not archive
>
> chrisoz@bmail.com.au wrote:
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: chrisoz@bmail.com.au
>>
>>Ladies (?) and Gentlemen,
>>
>>I have recently started to build an other Zodiac, and am pondering the engine
>>question at the moment. I have had Rotax 912 (twice), EA 81 and Verner in my
>>last Zodies, and except for the Verner which turned out to be a bit anaemic
>>(but sooo easy to install) the engines were fine, with the Subaru a bit on the
>>heavy side.
>>
>>Without trying to start an other line of the engine debate, due to financial
>>constrains and the non availability of second hand Rotax 912 over here in
>>Australia I am seriously thinking about a Suzuki G13 four cylinder engine, 16
>>valves, turbo-charged and fuel injected, about 125 hp. I actually already
>>bought the car with the overhauled engine installed, so I can test drive for
a
>>while. I intend to mate it with a geared reduction drive from Air Trikes in
>>Canada. Oh, and put a BRS system in the plane, better safe than sorry, and
>>$3600 well spent.
>>
>>Now here is my question:
>>
>>Has anybody got experience with the engine set up, any comments or points to
>>ponder, warnings (not the automotive engines should not fly bit)?
>>
>>BTW, I have always been wondering about the "automotive engines are not
>>designed to run at high rpm over extended periods of time " bit. I originally
>>hail from Germany, and there is no speed limit there. I grew up going 180 km/h
>>in my BMW on a regular basis, never getting lower than 5000 odd rpm, along
>>with lots of other cars in the speed range. And the engines seem to cope just
>>fine.
>>
>>Just a thought...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Chris from Oz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki G13 engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "gary" <FlyinK@Efortress.com>
> Australia I am seriously thinking about a Suzuki G13 four cylinder engine,
> 16
> valves, turbo-charged and fuel injected, about 125 hp. I actually already
> bought the car with the overhauled engine installed, so I can test drive
> for a
> while. I intend to mate it with a geared reduction drive from Air Trikes
> in
> Canada. Oh, and put a BRS system in the plane, better safe than sorry, and
> $3600 well spent.
> Has anybody got experience with the engine set up, any comments or points
> to
> ponder, warnings (not the automotive engines should not fly bit)?
try http://www.tampabayaerosport.com/ and look under aircraft - Klass - and
scroll to bottom.
they are selling the suzukis installed as an option, should be some good
info from them. probably the same source as Air Trikes.
gary
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Main gear routing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Lincoln,
I built my own gear, and routered the edges with
a standard wood carbide bit. The bit worked fine for
two sets of gear, on 6061 T6. If you have a good
router table, you might be able to pull off grooves,
but I tried on a piece of scrap metal with no luck at
all. If you are asking for opinion, I would just
leave them external. I am not building mine for warp
speed, or for Osh grand champion...
2 cents,
Brandon
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