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1. 12:26 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 06:55 AM - 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... (Bima, Martin)
3. 07:28 AM - Re: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... (Robert Schoenberger)
4. 08:27 AM - Re: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... (NYTerminat@aol.com)
5. 09:23 AM - Re: Builder's dinner (John)
6. 10:39 AM - Is your plane for sale? (Joe Scheibinger)
7. 11:29 AM - Re: Is your plane for sale? (Rick R)
8. 12:32 PM - VW engines in 701s (John Adamson)
9. 01:28 PM - Re: VW engines in 701s (Larry McFarland)
10. 01:30 PM - Re: VW engines in 701s (oops .. checked archives!) (John Adamson)
11. 05:56 PM - Re: corvair at oshkosh (John)
12. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: VW engines in 701s (oops .. checked archives!) (Larry)
13. 07:09 PM - Re: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... (RURUNY@aol.com)
14. 08:31 PM - float dimensions (jnbolding1)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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| Subject: | 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
There are three rivets in on the bottom wing skin, in front of the rear
strut attachment bracket that can not be riveted because of the bracket
blocking access to the holes. Are these done from the inside? How have
you riveted them?
Thanks
Martin
701 - STOL-Vair
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| Subject: | Re: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Martin . . . what specific part are you referring to? Robert Schoenberger
701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
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> There are three rivets in on the bottom wing skin, in front of the rear
> strut attachment bracket that can not be riveted because of the bracket
> blocking access to the holes. Are these done from the inside? How have
> you riveted them?
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> Thanks
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> Martin
> 701 - STOL-Vair
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| Subject: | Re: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Martin
The jury strut attacment bracket is in two pieces, rivet the bottom one
first,then rivet the top one thru both of them. I assume that you are talking about
the jury strut bracket?
Bob Spudis
CH-701 / 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Builder's dinner |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
Mark, My daughter and I had a good time, talks were fine, I really expected more
speaking during the dinner but overall it was good event. I was able to meet
several folks that I could glean some info from. Hope to attend SnF next spring
and attend BBQ. John Lifer
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| Subject: | Is your plane for sale? |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
Wanted,
I am looking for a 601 XL or 701 kit for sale in any stage of completion.
Please call me at 800-416-8360 after 11:00 AM Central Time and ask for Joe.
Does anyone know if there is a dedicated 701 website other than the
factory's available, or if there is a 701 E-mail list site simmilar to this
anywhere on the net?
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Is your plane for sale? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R <n701rr@yahoo.com>
Joe,
Look at www.ch701.com .
Joe Scheibinger <joe@kfiz.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger"
Does anyone know if there is a dedicated 701 website other than the
factory's available, or if there is a 701 E-mail list site simmilar to this
anywhere on the net?
Joe
Rick
Orlando, FL. USA
http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html
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| Subject: | VW engines in 701s |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Adamson <j-adamson@tamu.edu>
Howdy all ..
Am a prospective 701 builder and have been lurking awhile - and surfing
every 701 site I can find - trying to soak up what I can. It's pretty
evident that most builders are following the plans pretty closely and
not getting too "creative" with barnyard engineering (probably pretty
smart). That leaves engines as the next major component. Here, it gets
a little more diverse. Rotax 9xx is pretty popular, and I'm seeing
Jabiru, Geo/Suzuki 1.3 & 1.6, Corvair, Soob and a few other names thrown
out pretty frequently, but I've been surprised at how rarely I'm seeing
VW mentioned as an engine choice.
Is the VW maybe not so popular because of weight? Seems like most VWs
are in the 60-80 HP range, and are they just too heavy for what you're
getting out of them?
As long as VWs have been around, I guess I would have thought it would
almost be a natural for the 701.
Will now return to 'lurk' mode, but will appreciate any thoughts,
comments you'd care to share.
~ja
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| Subject: | Re: VW engines in 701s |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
John,
I'd agree with you, the VW is largely ignored because 100 hp seems to be
the magic number
now days. Half the engines you mentioned are heavier than needs to be
for the 701 and I'd guess
the VW, properly equipped, would be a great performer and allow the 701
to "fly STOL" as it
was designed to do. This might mean a redrive and larger prop or not,
but I'd check with ZAC
for specific information on this really economical engine and follow up
with a call to the Great Plains
VW engine people for their recommendations. I seriously doubt the VW is
too heavy for the 701.
85 hp is good balance for the VW weight as well. Just my opinion of course.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
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John Adamson wrote:
> Rotax 9xx is pretty popular, and I'm seeing
>Jabiru, Geo/Suzuki 1.3 & 1.6, Corvair, Soob and a few other names thrown
>out pretty frequently, but I've been surprised at how rarely I'm seeing
>VW mentioned as an engine choice.
>
>Is the VW maybe not so popular because of weight? Seems like most VWs
>are in the 60-80 HP range, and are they just too heavy for what you're
>getting out of them?
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VW engines in 701s (oops .. checked archives!) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Adamson <j-adamson@tamu.edu>
No sooner had I submitted the post above than it dawned on me to check
the archives. Where - naturally - there was quite a lot of the kind of
info I had asked about. Dumb me .. sorry.
Still .. any new vee-dub info appreciated. (And, yep, I'll chk the
archives a little quicker next time.) :-(
~ja
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| Subject: | Re: corvair at oshkosh |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
Yes it was Bill Clapp's KR2S at Oshkosh. He flew a couple of times. Here is a
link to a couple of pictures I took of his second flight with him working to
get on the runway. Boy that Corvair sounds nice when he firewalled the throttle!
Link is: photos.yahoo.com/jliferjr
John
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| Subject: | Re: VW engines in 701s (oops .. checked archives!) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
Check http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7-photo18a.html
Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Adamson" <j-adamson@tamu.edu>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: VW engines in 701s (oops .. checked archives!)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Adamson <j-adamson@tamu.edu>
>
> No sooner had I submitted the post above than it dawned on me to check
> the archives. Where - naturally - there was quite a lot of the kind of
> info I had asked about. Dumb me .. sorry.
>
> Still .. any new vee-dub info appreciated. (And, yep, I'll chk the
> archives a little quicker next time.) :-(
>
> ~ja
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| Subject: | Re: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Martin,
I got some bad news for you, you can't rivet them from the outside with a
blind rivet. The rear strut attachment is angled over the rear channel. On my
first wing I realized this was going to be a problem. I drilled one rivet
hole in that area as close to the front of the channel as possible but still had
a hell of a time getting it in there. On the 2nd wing I did not place any
rivet holes in that area. If you have drilled already you could obtain some
solid rivets, a rivet gun, the proper bucking bar from an RV builder in your
chapter and his help and do these before you
close up the top skin. I wouldn't mess around trying to take off the rear
strut attachment
to get to these with the blind riveter you could mess this area up and
weaken it. Also with the front strut you have a long L type support and the strut
support(can't remember their correct names and not near plans. Definately
rivet the support to the L with A5 rivets and then rivet the whole assembly to
the bottom. You will be glad you did this. Good Luck!
Brian
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| Subject: | float dimensions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
List, One of the things on my list at Osh was to measure and record the bulkhead
spacing difference between the 1150# Zenith floats and the 1200#version (total
length and spacing are the only differences) alas, no 1200's to be found,
if anybody has a set of these and could spare 5 min. with a tape I'll be forever
(well for a long time anyway) grateful, please contact me off list...
Thanks John Bolding
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