---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/02/05: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:26 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com) 2. 06:55 AM - 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... (Bima, Martin) 3. 07:28 AM - Re: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... (Robert Schoenberger) 4. 08:27 AM - Re: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... (NYTerminat@aol.com) 5. 09:23 AM - Re: Builder's dinner (John) 6. 10:39 AM - Is your plane for sale? (Joe Scheibinger) 7. 11:29 AM - Re: Is your plane for sale? (Rick R) 8. 12:32 PM - VW engines in 701s (John Adamson) 9. 01:28 PM - Re: VW engines in 701s (Larry McFarland) 10. 01:30 PM - Re: VW engines in 701s (oops .. checked archives!) (John Adamson) 11. 05:56 PM - Re: corvair at oshkosh (John) 12. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: VW engines in 701s (oops .. checked archives!) (Larry) 13. 07:09 PM - Re: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... (RURUNY@aol.com) 14. 08:31 PM - float dimensions (jnbolding1) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:52 AM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com Dear Lister, Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. 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This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... From: "Bima, Martin" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" There are three rivets in on the bottom wing skin, in front of the rear strut attachment bracket that can not be riveted because of the bracket blocking access to the holes. Are these done from the inside? How have you riveted them? Thanks Martin 701 - STOL-Vair ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:22 AM PST US From: "Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" Martin . . . what specific part are you referring to? Robert Schoenberger 701 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bima, Martin" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" > > > There are three rivets in on the bottom wing skin, in front of the rear > strut attachment bracket that can not be riveted because of the bracket > blocking access to the holes. Are these done from the inside? How have > you riveted them? > > > Thanks > > > Martin > 701 - STOL-Vair > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:04 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com Martin The jury strut attacment bracket is in two pieces, rivet the bottom one first,then rivet the top one thru both of them. I assume that you are talking about the jury strut bracket? Bob Spudis CH-701 / 912S ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:06 AM PST US From: "John" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Builder's dinner --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" Mark, My daughter and I had a good time, talks were fine, I really expected more speaking during the dinner but overall it was good event. I was able to meet several folks that I could glean some info from. Hope to attend SnF next spring and attend BBQ. John Lifer ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:58 AM PST US From: "Joe Scheibinger" Subject: Zenith-List: Is your plane for sale? (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" Wanted, I am looking for a 601 XL or 701 kit for sale in any stage of completion. Please call me at 800-416-8360 after 11:00 AM Central Time and ask for Joe. Does anyone know if there is a dedicated 701 website other than the factory's available, or if there is a 701 E-mail list site simmilar to this anywhere on the net? Joe ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:24 AM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is your plane for sale? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R Joe, Look at www.ch701.com . Joe Scheibinger wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" Does anyone know if there is a dedicated 701 website other than the factory's available, or if there is a 701 E-mail list site simmilar to this anywhere on the net? Joe Rick Orlando, FL. USA http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:55 PM PST US From: John Adamson Subject: Zenith-List: VW engines in 701s Received-SPF: none (smtp-relay.tamu.edu: domain of j-adamson@tamu.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Adamson Howdy all .. Am a prospective 701 builder and have been lurking awhile - and surfing every 701 site I can find - trying to soak up what I can. It's pretty evident that most builders are following the plans pretty closely and not getting too "creative" with barnyard engineering (probably pretty smart). That leaves engines as the next major component. Here, it gets a little more diverse. Rotax 9xx is pretty popular, and I'm seeing Jabiru, Geo/Suzuki 1.3 & 1.6, Corvair, Soob and a few other names thrown out pretty frequently, but I've been surprised at how rarely I'm seeing VW mentioned as an engine choice. Is the VW maybe not so popular because of weight? Seems like most VWs are in the 60-80 HP range, and are they just too heavy for what you're getting out of them? As long as VWs have been around, I guess I would have thought it would almost be a natural for the 701. Will now return to 'lurk' mode, but will appreciate any thoughts, comments you'd care to share. ~ja ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:40 PM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: VW engines in 701s --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland John, I'd agree with you, the VW is largely ignored because 100 hp seems to be the magic number now days. Half the engines you mentioned are heavier than needs to be for the 701 and I'd guess the VW, properly equipped, would be a great performer and allow the 701 to "fly STOL" as it was designed to do. This might mean a redrive and larger prop or not, but I'd check with ZAC for specific information on this really economical engine and follow up with a call to the Great Plains VW engine people for their recommendations. I seriously doubt the VW is too heavy for the 701. 85 hp is good balance for the VW weight as well. Just my opinion of course. Larry McFarland - 601HDS do not archive John Adamson wrote: > Rotax 9xx is pretty popular, and I'm seeing >Jabiru, Geo/Suzuki 1.3 & 1.6, Corvair, Soob and a few other names thrown >out pretty frequently, but I've been surprised at how rarely I'm seeing >VW mentioned as an engine choice. > >Is the VW maybe not so popular because of weight? Seems like most VWs >are in the 60-80 HP range, and are they just too heavy for what you're >getting out of them? > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:20 PM PST US From: John Adamson Subject: Zenith-List: Re: VW engines in 701s (oops .. checked archives!) --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Adamson No sooner had I submitted the post above than it dawned on me to check the archives. Where - naturally - there was quite a lot of the kind of info I had asked about. Dumb me .. sorry. Still .. any new vee-dub info appreciated. (And, yep, I'll chk the archives a little quicker next time.) :-( ~ja ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:24 PM PST US From: "John" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: corvair at oshkosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" Yes it was Bill Clapp's KR2S at Oshkosh. He flew a couple of times. Here is a link to a couple of pictures I took of his second flight with him working to get on the runway. Boy that Corvair sounds nice when he firewalled the throttle! Link is: photos.yahoo.com/jliferjr John ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:54 PM PST US From: "Larry" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: VW engines in 701s (oops .. checked archives!) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" Check http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7-photo18a.html Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Adamson" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: VW engines in 701s (oops .. checked archives!) > --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Adamson > > No sooner had I submitted the post above than it dawned on me to check > the archives. Where - naturally - there was quite a lot of the kind of > info I had asked about. Dumb me .. sorry. > > Still .. any new vee-dub info appreciated. (And, yep, I'll chk the > archives a little quicker next time.) :-( > > ~ja > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:10 PM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com Martin, I got some bad news for you, you can't rivet them from the outside with a blind rivet. The rear strut attachment is angled over the rear channel. On my first wing I realized this was going to be a problem. I drilled one rivet hole in that area as close to the front of the channel as possible but still had a hell of a time getting it in there. On the 2nd wing I did not place any rivet holes in that area. If you have drilled already you could obtain some solid rivets, a rivet gun, the proper bucking bar from an RV builder in your chapter and his help and do these before you close up the top skin. I wouldn't mess around trying to take off the rear strut attachment to get to these with the blind riveter you could mess this area up and weaken it. Also with the front strut you have a long L type support and the strut support(can't remember their correct names and not near plans. Definately rivet the support to the L with A5 rivets and then rivet the whole assembly to the bottom. You will be glad you did this. Good Luck! Brian ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:27 PM PST US From: "jnbolding1" Subject: Zenith-List: float dimensions --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" List, One of the things on my list at Osh was to measure and record the bulkhead spacing difference between the 1150# Zenith floats and the 1200#version (total length and spacing are the only differences) alas, no 1200's to be found, if anybody has a set of these and could spare 5 min. with a tape I'll be forever (well for a long time anyway) grateful, please contact me off list... Thanks John Bolding