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1. 03:24 AM - Re: Is your plane for sale? (vbwiz vbwiz)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: VW engines in 701s (Randy)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... (Larry)
4. 06:03 AM - Czech "1200" or "1150" Amphib floats with 4 wheels questions. 701 (Tom and Joyce Schulke)
5. 08:39 AM - Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit (Stanley Challgren)
6. 09:06 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 10:16 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit (Lance Gingell)
8. 10:16 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
9. 10:51 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
10. 11:43 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
11. 12:18 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
12. 12:57 PM - John Deakin (Was: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit) (John Adamson)
13. 01:27 PM - Re: John Deakin (Was: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit) (Cory Emberson)
14. 01:32 PM - Re: John Deakin (Was: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit) (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
15. 01:53 PM - Re: John Deakin (Was: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit) (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
16. 02:34 PM - 701 - Drawing 7-V-7-4 - Inboard/Outboard Lower Trailing Edge (Bima, Martin)
17. 04:18 PM - 1-Week Sport Pilot School (jim)
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| Subject: | Is your plane for sale? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "vbwiz vbwiz" <vbwiz@vbwiz.com>
Joe,
I have a 601HDS kit for sale that includes a 2.2L VW with reduction drive (1.6).
I have the instruments/gages/avionics for a full VFR panel. I estimate the work
completed to be about 50% for the airframe. I am willing to sell the kitplane
without the FWF/Engine package.
I know that you are looking for an XL or 701, but this is a great opportunity to
get a zodiac kitplane at substantial savings.
Thanks
Joseph
-------- Original Message --------
> From: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:11 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Is your plane for sale?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
>
> Wanted,
>
> I am looking for a 601 XL or 701 kit for sale in any stage of completion.
> Please call me at 800-416-8360 after 11:00 AM Central Time and ask for Joe.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a dedicated 701 website other than the
> factory's available, or if there is a 701 E-mail list site simmilar to this
> anywhere on the net?
>
> Joe
>
>
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| Subject: | VW engines in 701s |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
While you're looking through the archives, look for VW and 601. You'll probably
find my comments about my experience with the VW/redrive. Basically if you want
a STOL, low and slow plane, it should work. Don't expect it to do anything
fast except take off. My 601 would take off before I was ready for it to. The
climb was great for the first 1000 feet or so. Then you had to lower the nose
and let the engine cool.
Randy Stout
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
-----Original Message-----
>From: "John Adamson"<j-adamson@tamu.edu>
>Sent: 8/2/05 2:39:02 PM
>To: "zenith-list@matronics.com"<zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: VW engines in 701s
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Adamson <j-adamson@tamu.edu>
>
>Howdy all ..
>
>Am a prospective 701 builder and have been lurking awhile - and surfing
>every 701 site I can find - trying to soak up what I can. It's pretty
>evident that most builders are following the plans pretty closely and
>not getting too "creative" with barnyard engineering (probably pretty
>smart). That leaves engines as the next major component. Here, it gets
>a little more diverse. Rotax 9xx is pretty popular, and I'm seeing
>Jabiru, Geo/Suzuki 1.3 & 1.6, Corvair, Soob and a few other names thrown
>out pretty frequently, but I've been surprised at how rarely I'm seeing
>VW mentioned as an engine choice.
>
>Is the VW maybe not so popular because of weight? Seems like most VWs
>are in the 60-80 HP range, and are they just too heavy for what you're
>getting out of them?
>
>As long as VWs have been around, I guess I would have thought it would
>almost be a natural for the 701.
>
>Will now return to 'lurk' mode, but will appreciate any thoughts,
>comments you'd care to share.
>
>~ja
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
Try using sheet metal screws. You should be able to get the screws in and
it's better than nothing.
Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: <RURUNY@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 - Bottom Wing Skin Riveting - Help...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
>
> Martin,
>
> I got some bad news for you, you can't rivet them from the outside with a
> blind rivet. The rear strut attachment is angled over the rear channel.
On my
> first wing I realized this was going to be a problem. I drilled one rivet
> hole in that area as close to the front of the channel as possible but
still had
> a hell of a time getting it in there. On the 2nd wing I did not place any
> rivet holes in that area. If you have drilled already you could obtain
some
> solid rivets, a rivet gun, the proper bucking bar from an RV builder in
your
> chapter and his help and do these before you
> close up the top skin. I wouldn't mess around trying to take off the rear
> strut attachment
> to get to these with the blind riveter you could mess this area up and
> weaken it. Also with the front strut you have a long L type support and
the strut
> support(can't remember their correct names and not near plans. Definately
> rivet the support to the L with A5 rivets and then rivet the whole
assembly to
> the bottom. You will be glad you did this. Good Luck!
>
> Brian
>
>
> --
>
>
--
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| Subject: | Czech "1200" or "1150" Amphib floats with 4 wheels questions. |
701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom and Joyce Schulke" <classpix@sbcglobal.net>
I picked up the floats that I ordered from Sky Shops at Oshkosh. They look great
but I'd like to talk to someone who has already installed a set as I have a
few questions. Hate to reinvent the wheel. If anyone in this group has done so
please contact me by email. Thanks Tom Schulke
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
List:
I test flew our 601 HDS yesterday for the first time after
installation of the Economy Tuning Kit on our Jabiru 3300. Previous
to the tuning kit installation fuel burn was about 6.7 gallons per
hour and best miles per gallon was achieved at WOT. Full power gave
about 20 MPG with MPG going doing to about 14 at lowest power
consistent with staying in the sky.
The bottom line yesterday was an average of 4.5 GPH for the 1+11
flight at power settings from WOT down to 2600 rpm. At WOT the fuel
burn was slightly above that with the old needles in the carb. At
2700 rpm I got 120 mph IAS and a fuel burn of 3.9 GPH. The 120 mph
IAS was equal to 118 mph ground speed at 8,500 feet. The 2700 rpm
setting should give me about 30 MPG; a very considerable increase
over the old needles.
Time limits me to the above but I will report more fully on the
Jabiru Engines List when I have fully evaluated and compared the
numbers between the 'old' and 'new' carbs.
Needless to say I am delighted with the Economy Tuning Kit. I should
now be achieving fuel burns less than promised in Jabiru brochures
and far better than ever hoped for.
My thanks to Pete at Jabiru USA.
Stan
601HDS/Jabiru 3300
175 hours
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
So how exactly does this tuning kit work..Presumably you are now running
leaner than you were before?...Do you know where you are running
relative to peak EGT?...I.e rich of peak or lean of peak??
I would be nervous if you have somehow leaned the motor to say 50F rich
of peak for fear of detonation. I'm sure Pete at Jab knows what he is
doing but understanding exactly what is going on is worthwile I think.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stanley
Challgren
Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
List:
I test flew our 601 HDS yesterday for the first time after installation
of the Economy Tuning Kit on our Jabiru 3300. Previous to the tuning
kit installation fuel burn was about 6.7 gallons per hour and best miles
per gallon was achieved at WOT. Full power gave about 20 MPG with MPG
going doing to about 14 at lowest power consistent with staying in the
sky.
The bottom line yesterday was an average of 4.5 GPH for the 1+11 flight
at power settings from WOT down to 2600 rpm. At WOT the fuel burn was
slightly above that with the old needles in the carb. At 2700 rpm I got
120 mph IAS and a fuel burn of 3.9 GPH. The 120 mph IAS was equal to
118 mph ground speed at 8,500 feet. The 2700 rpm setting should give me
about 30 MPG; a very considerable increase over the old needles.
Time limits me to the above but I will report more fully on the Jabiru
Engines List when I have fully evaluated and compared the numbers
between the 'old' and 'new' carbs.
Needless to say I am delighted with the Economy Tuning Kit. I should
now be achieving fuel burns less than promised in Jabiru brochures and
far better than ever hoped for.
My thanks to Pete at Jabiru USA.
Stan
601HDS/Jabiru 3300
175 hours
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
This is an official Jabiru modification that was made, and is now
standard in all the new manufacture engines. I got my 3300 in June, and
it has this as standard. Apparently all engines since #722 (the first
LSA Certified one) has the new jets etc. They produce a kit to retrofit
older engines with the newer parts.
..lance
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]
I would be nervous if you have somehow leaned the motor to say 50F rich
of peak for fear of detonation. I'm sure Pete at Jab knows what he is
doing but understanding exactly what is going on is worthwile I think.
Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Stan, you sure peeked my interest ! How difficult was the kit to install and
re set the level of rich to lean ? Did the kit come with instructions ? and
what did it cost ? Did you buy it from Pete and how long did it take to arrive
? Lastly, I have bought a better air filter for my 3300. I observed a test
with my old filter (came with the FWF kit) and this K & N Performance product
sold at Advanced Auto. The test demonstrated about 30 % more restriction in the
kit filter. Have you looked at this type air filter ? Best regards, Bill of
Georgia
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Remember that if the "lean kit" is running the engine rich of peak, that
adding an even less restrictive filter will make it the mixture leaner
and therefore run it closer to the detonation range, unless of course
you are running CV carbs or fuel injection that automatically adjust the
mixture..
I know very little about Jabs but the detonation issues are the same for
every engine.
Would hate to see you guys destroy your engines....:)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Stan, you sure peeked my interest ! How difficult was the kit to install
and re set the level of rich to lean ? Did the kit come with
instructions ? and what did it cost ? Did you buy it from Pete and how
long did it take to arrive ? Lastly, I have bought a better air filter
for my 3300. I observed a test with my old filter (came with the FWF
kit) and this K & N Performance product sold at Advanced Auto. The test
demonstrated about 30 % more restriction in the kit filter. Have you
looked at this type air filter ? Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Frank, I really enjoy and appreciate your input. When you refer to rich or
lean of peak what peak are you talking about ? How do you find peak ? You are
right on that I do not want to harm my engine, but I am, like everyone else,
always looking for better performance, Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Your welcome George,
It would be worth your while doing a search on "John Deakin" He writes a
colum for Avweb...Generally considered to be a Guru of such things.
But in short..If you plot a graph of EGT against fuel flow (fuel
adjusted by adjusting the mixture) you will find that it peaks right in
the middle and drops off either side. If it is on the "Rich" side of
this peak it is called ROP...on the other side it is LOP.
That's the short answer.
Now Max efficiency (Most power made for the least fuel burned is about
25 to 50 Fareignheight on the lean side of this peak...Most power
however is made around 80 to 100F on the RICH side of this peak.
In the Lycoming world this means if you want to go fast (75% cruise in
an RV =200mph) you set the mixture at 80 to 100F ROP. If you want to
save fuel (65% on an RV7 =180mph) you lean the mixture to 30F LOP...Both
of these at full throttle.
Very nice....Just one problem...
The piece of the curve between "Peak" and about 50F ROP is the
detonation zone...I.e running your engine there will destroy it....
So if your "economy kit" is more accuratly setting the mixture say 60F
ROP, leaning it just a little more (maybe with a less restrictive air
filter) could be disasterous. Note I have no idea if this will actually
happen, I'm just waving a flag!
Anyway, note also that in the "detonation zone, Is also where your CHT's
are highest. That's why if you want an aircooled motor to run cool and
last a looong time. Do your cruising about 30F LOP. It's the most
efficient point fuel wise and you engine is running Coool!
I bet your glad you asked...Not...:)
Oh...How do you find peak?....Set your airplane cruising at any selected
altitude...above 7500ft is best, reason being is the above argument
holds true to about 75% power...Which means full throttle (it really
hurts efficiency to run with a partially closed throttle). Start leaning
the mixure slowly and watch your EGT temp....it will start to rise until
it reaches a peak at which point it will fall again....Thats peak.
Note if your fuel distribution is poor then each cylinder will peak at
different fuel flows. Lycomings with carbs are so lousy in this
department you cannot run them LOP because you have to set the "richest"
cylinder 30F LOP and one or more of the others will not be firing at all
and it will sound like a badly loaded washing machine!
Running ROP you have to have the "Leanest" cylinder running say 80 to
100F ROP to keep the others out of the detonation range.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Frank, I really enjoy and appreciate your input. When you refer to rich
or lean of peak what peak are you talking about ? How do you find peak ?
You are right on that I do not want to harm my engine, but I am, like
everyone else, always looking for better performance, Thanks, Bill of
Georgia
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit) |
Received-SPF: pass (smtp-relay.tamu.edu: 165.91.106.16 is authenticated by a trusted
mechanism)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Adamson <j-adamson@tamu.edu>
I agree fully with the advice on reading Deakin's articles. An index of
his "Pelican's Perch" articles is at
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182146-1.html. There are several
dealing with LOP/ROP/detonation. Besides being an entertaining writer,
he's even been known to reply to emails!
~ja
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Your welcome George,
>
>It would be worth your while doing a search on "John Deakin" He writes a
>colum for Avweb...Generally considered to be a Guru of such things.
>
>But in short..If you plot a graph of EGT against fuel flow (fuel
>adjusted by adjusting the mixture) you will find that it peaks right in
>the middle and drops off either side. If it is on the "Rich" side of
>this peak it is called ROP...on the other side it is LOP.
>
>That's the short answer.
>
>Now Max efficiency (Most power made for the least fuel burned is about
>25 to 50 Fareignheight on the lean side of this peak...Most power
>however is made around 80 to 100F on the RICH side of this peak.
>
>In the Lycoming world this means if you want to go fast (75% cruise in
>an RV =200mph) you set the mixture at 80 to 100F ROP. If you want to
>save fuel (65% on an RV7 =180mph) you lean the mixture to 30F LOP...Both
>of these at full throttle.
>
>Very nice....Just one problem...
>
>The piece of the curve between "Peak" and about 50F ROP is the
>detonation zone...I.e running your engine there will destroy it....
>
>So if your "economy kit" is more accuratly setting the mixture say 60F
>ROP, leaning it just a little more (maybe with a less restrictive air
>filter) could be disasterous. Note I have no idea if this will actually
>happen, I'm just waving a flag!
>
>Anyway, note also that in the "detonation zone, Is also where your CHT's
>are highest. That's why if you want an aircooled motor to run cool and
>last a looong time. Do your cruising about 30F LOP. It's the most
>efficient point fuel wise and you engine is running Coool!
>
>I bet your glad you asked...Not...:)
>
>
>Oh...How do you find peak?....Set your airplane cruising at any selected
>altitude...above 7500ft is best, reason being is the above argument
>holds true to about 75% power...Which means full throttle (it really
>hurts efficiency to run with a partially closed throttle). Start leaning
>the mixure slowly and watch your EGT temp....it will start to rise until
>it reaches a peak at which point it will fall again....Thats peak.
>
>Note if your fuel distribution is poor then each cylinder will peak at
>different fuel flows. Lycomings with carbs are so lousy in this
>department you cannot run them LOP because you have to set the "richest"
>cylinder 30F LOP and one or more of the others will not be firing at all
>and it will sound like a badly loaded washing machine!
>
>Running ROP you have to have the "Leanest" cylinder running say 80 to
>100F ROP to keep the others out of the detonation range.
>
>Frank
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
>Frank, I really enjoy and appreciate your input. When you refer to rich
>or lean of peak what peak are you talking about ? How do you find peak ?
>You are right on that I do not want to harm my engine, but I am, like
>everyone else, always looking for better performance, Thanks, Bill of
>Georgia
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Just seconding your "good guy/good information" comment about John. I've
known him for a long time, and he is indeed one of the good guys.
do not archive
I agree fully with the advice on reading Deakin's articles. An index of
his "Pelican's Perch" articles is at
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182146-1.html. There are several
dealing with LOP/ROP/detonation. Besides being an entertaining writer,
he's even been known to reply to emails!
~ja
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Your welcome George,
>
>It would be worth your while doing a search on "John Deakin" He writes a
>colum for Avweb...Generally considered to be a Guru of such things.
>
>But in short..If you plot a graph of EGT against fuel flow (fuel
>adjusted by adjusting the mixture) you will find that it peaks right in
>the middle and drops off either side. If it is on the "Rich" side of
>this peak it is called ROP...on the other side it is LOP.
>
>That's the short answer.
>
>Now Max efficiency (Most power made for the least fuel burned is about
>25 to 50 Fareignheight on the lean side of this peak...Most power
>however is made around 80 to 100F on the RICH side of this peak.
>
>In the Lycoming world this means if you want to go fast (75% cruise in
>an RV =200mph) you set the mixture at 80 to 100F ROP. If you want to
>save fuel (65% on an RV7 =180mph) you lean the mixture to 30F LOP...Both
>of these at full throttle.
>
>Very nice....Just one problem...
>
>The piece of the curve between "Peak" and about 50F ROP is the
>detonation zone...I.e running your engine there will destroy it....
>
>So if your "economy kit" is more accuratly setting the mixture say 60F
>ROP, leaning it just a little more (maybe with a less restrictive air
>filter) could be disasterous. Note I have no idea if this will actually
>happen, I'm just waving a flag!
>
>Anyway, note also that in the "detonation zone, Is also where your CHT's
>are highest. That's why if you want an aircooled motor to run cool and
>last a looong time. Do your cruising about 30F LOP. It's the most
>efficient point fuel wise and you engine is running Coool!
>
>I bet your glad you asked...Not...:)
>
>
>Oh...How do you find peak?....Set your airplane cruising at any selected
>altitude...above 7500ft is best, reason being is the above argument
>holds true to about 75% power...Which means full throttle (it really
>hurts efficiency to run with a partially closed throttle). Start leaning
>the mixure slowly and watch your EGT temp....it will start to rise until
>it reaches a peak at which point it will fall again....Thats peak.
>
>Note if your fuel distribution is poor then each cylinder will peak at
>different fuel flows. Lycomings with carbs are so lousy in this
>department you cannot run them LOP because you have to set the "richest"
>cylinder 30F LOP and one or more of the others will not be firing at all
>and it will sound like a badly loaded washing machine!
>
>Running ROP you have to have the "Leanest" cylinder running say 80 to
>100F ROP to keep the others out of the detonation range.
>
>Frank
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru 3300 Econ Tuning Kit
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
>Frank, I really enjoy and appreciate your input. When you refer to rich
>or lean of peak what peak are you talking about ? How do you find peak ?
>You are right on that I do not want to harm my engine, but I am, like
>everyone else, always looking for better performance, Thanks, Bill of
>Georgia
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Frank, the Jabiru 3300 has a Bing carb and no facility to adjust mixture in
flight. Just got a screw like a lawn mower. Sooo, how would you do all that
other good stuff you said with this kind of set up ? Best regards, Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Well you can't...:)
I have the same setup on my Subaru...Sadly. Most pilots (including me)
were never taught how to lean an engine, even those can often choose not
to. So using a altitude compensating carb is a good second best. But we
are missing out on some fabulous efficiency gains.
Frank
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Frank, the Jabiru 3300 has a Bing carb and no facility to adjust mixture
in flight. Just got a screw like a lawn mower. Sooo, how would you do
all that other good stuff you said with this kind of set up ? Best
regards, Bill
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| Subject: | 701 - Drawing 7-V-7-4 - Inboard/Outboard Lower Trailing Edge |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Hello List,
The Trailing Edges should be square on the ends as shown in the
drawings?
OR
Should they be cut as shown with the dashed lines (on my drawings)?
Thanks
Martin
701 STOLVair
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| Subject: | 1-Week Sport Pilot School |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
All,
My Zenair Zodiac 601XL will be shipped from the Czech Aircraft Works factory by
the end of this week.
I plan to use it to satisfy the demand for sport pilot training. See the attached
Powerpoint file for the details of the 1-Week Sport Pilot Immersion Course
that we will begin offering at the Bryce Mountain Resort in Virginia starting
in September. I had a tremendous response from people who visited the SportsPlanes.com
booth at Oshkosh. It seems that this is exactly what they have been
looking for. I talked to an insurance underwriter at Oshkosh, and he felt that
this was something that they'd like to see more flight schools do.
Here are the details:
- Semi-Private Instruction: One instructor for 2 students for 7 full days.
- 20 hours flight instruction and solo flight time (if your instructor signs you
off for solo). The FAA minimum flight time requirement for SP (15 hours dual
and 5 hours solo)
- All ground school materials including a King SP training package.
- Ground School "Plus": We have a ton of videotapes and DVD's from Sporty's that
address all manner of aviation topics for the students to explore during the
week....you'll learn far more than the FAA's minimum requirement. You'll learn
how to assess weather and other flight risks to assist you with "GO / NO-GO"
decision making, making you a much safer pilot.
- You'll learn how to access and use all of the online aviation data that is currently
available free of charge.
- You will get a checkride with a flight examiner (if you have progressed far enough
in your training....again the instructor's call). I REPEAT: Some students
will NOT get a checkride nor a SP Certificate. Everybody learns at a different
pace. The decision on a checkride will be made by your instructor.
- Lodging in the 4BR/4BA "Golf and Ski View Chalet" (private bedroom and private bath) is included. The Chalet is directly across the street from the Sky Bryce (VG18) private airport and walking distance to the ski slopes and golf course, as well as the restaurant, swimming pool and tennis courts. For pictures and other information about the chalet please go to: www.pellien.com
- Bring your spouse and kids along if you wish...maximum of 2 kids. They can enjoy all of the resort's amenities while you are learning to fly. Go to: www.bryceresort.com to learn more about the Bryce Mountain Resort.
- "Flying Couples" get a 10% discount off the single person course fee of $4290.
Thus couples can take the course together for a total of $7722.
- If weather conditions are such that you do not get the minimum of 20 flight hours,
you will receive a refund of $70 per hour for every flight hour that you
do not receive. If you wish to fly more than 20 hours in your week and there
is time available, you can fly additional hours for $100 per hour with instructor,
or $70 solo.
- You'll be learning in a high performance light sport aircraft, the Zodiac 601XL
(130+ mph, 1000 FPM Climb, 586 lbs useful load) with a 44 inch wide and comfortable
cockpit with leather seats, radio, transponder, GPS etc. I know that
SP students don't need the radios and navigation equipment.....it is a bonus
for them. When the aircraft is unavailable due to 100 hour inspections or maintenance,
a Cessna 172 will be substituted for some of the non-solo flight hours
on those days.
It is well-known that people best learn foreign languages in an "immersive" environment,
i.e. they go to live in Italy to learn Italian. I similarly believe
that SP students will be better and safer pilots by learning immersively. This
course gives you 168 hours in the nation called "Sport Pilot Aviation". 168
hours of access to a seasoned aviation professional. No more going to the airport
for an hour lesson, then coming back a week or 2 weeks later for your next
lesson, by which time you have forgotten 50% of what you learned on the previous
lesson. You'll learn more, retain more, and progress faster, by going
"immersive".
I'm currently taking $1000 deposits. Only 2 slots are available each week. The
school will run continuously from mid-September on. We are planning to operate
year-round: Friday afternoon to Friday afternoon is the week.
I'm interested in signing up a couple of additional seasoned CFI's with more than
1000 hours of instruction time under their belts to do these 7-day courses.
Anybody interested?
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
jim@sportsplanes.com
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