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1. 06:25 AM - Re: X-Plane 601XL (G. Harris (Pumpkin Man))
2. 07:02 AM - The Road Less Travelled ... (Bima, Martin)
3. 08:05 AM - Re: The Road Less Travelled ... (John Adamson)
4. 08:50 AM - Re: X-Plane 601XL (Josh Lazar)
5. 10:28 AM - Self Etching aerosol primer (Dan & Paula Yeast)
6. 12:04 PM - Re: X-Plane 601XL (Trevor Page)
7. 12:10 PM - Question about zinc chromate... (Roger Nyholm)
8. 12:54 PM - Re: Question about zinc chromate... (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
9. 01:28 PM - Re: Question about zinc chromate... (Mike Fortunato)
10. 01:48 PM - Re: I'm not going to get involved in this flame fest (Hal Rozema)
11. 01:53 PM - Spray can nozzles (George Swinford)
12. 02:35 PM - Re: I'm not going to get involved in this flame fest (Hal Rozema)
13. 02:56 PM - Re: Spray can nozzles (Robert Schoenberger)
14. 03:05 PM - Re: Question about zinc chromate... (Ron Culver)
15. 03:40 PM - Re: Spray can nozzles (William J. Naumuk)
16. 05:10 PM - Sorry, guys (William J. Naumuk)
17. 07:03 PM - Re: 701 Folding Wings Kit (Tebenkof@aol.com)
18. 08:32 PM - Re: Spray can nozzles (Graham Kirby)
19. 09:48 PM - Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
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| Subject: | Re: X-Plane 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "G. Harris (Pumpkin Man)" <pumpkin_man@autoinsanity.com>
Nice job! I don't know how accurate the flight model is, but it looks like
an XL. I've been having fun flying it all over the place. Flew from
Arizona to Catalina Island non-stop and landed.
I hope my XL is as fast as that one though - about 150 knots all the way.
-George
(back to lurking now)
----- Original Message -----
From: <HeatonHE@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: X-Plane 601XL
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: HeatonHE@aol.com
>
> There was some talk awhile back about an X-plane model of the 601 XL. I
> just
> sent my files to Matt for posting on the Zenith List Specific Photo and
> File
> Share. I used version 7.63 of X-plane.
>
> I'm no expert at modeling planes in X-plane but it's as accurate as I
> could
> get it. There are 2 files to copy into your general aircraft file, Zodiac
> 2.acf and Zodiac 2_paint.bmp.
>
> If you have any problems send me a note offline.
>
> Regards,
> Herb Heaton
> 601XL plans built
> EA-81 Turbo
> Colorado Springs, CO
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | The Road Less Travelled ... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
The Cessna Aeroplane Company has been making beautiful, reliable aircraft for decades.
Piper, Mooney, Maule, and many others have done the same. These aircraft
are an excellent investment as they seem to only increase in value year after
year. They can be bought ready-to-fly from thousands of locations around
the world.
If you have decided to build your own aircraft, you have embarked on a glorious
journey that only an infinitely small fraction of the human race can even fathom.
Whether plans or kit-built, you are going to poor your sweat, blood, tears
and most of your wallet into your pastime.
If you are not ready to ride the highs and lows of aircraft building, perhaps a
ready-made aeroplane would suit you best. I must admit that I navely entered
the plans-building field because I knew I could never afford my own "real" plane.
Here was a way to fly cheap.
I was handy, but not at all trained in metal work, welding, electronics nor engines.
But the experience (even after making many parts twice, building 5 spars
and assembling each wing 3 times and redesigning the engine mount 4 times and
building it twice) is something I will never regret. I am already dreading
the day when the craft is finished (sometime in the next 1 to 5 years) because
I know my garage will be void of anything that has to be welded, or sanded, or
riveted or wired.
Then again, my kids would really, really love a little dune buggy.
IT IS NOT THE DESTINATION, IT IS THE JOURNEY.
Martin Bima
STOL-Vair 701
www.mts.net/~embima
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: The Road Less Travelled ... |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Adamson <j-adamson@tamu.edu>
Got a chuckle out of Martin saying "..you are going to poor your sweat,
blood, tears and ..." Says a little something about the effect this all
has on our pocketbooks, doncha think?? :-)
~ja
Do not archive
Bima, Martin wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
>
>
>The Cessna Aeroplane Company has been making beautiful, reliable aircraft for
decades. Piper, Mooney, Maule, and many others have done the same. These aircraft
are an excellent investment as they seem to only increase in value year
after year. They can be bought ready-to-fly from thousands of locations around
the world.
>
>If you have decided to build your own aircraft, you have embarked on a glorious
journey that only an infinitely small fraction of the human race can even fathom.
Whether plans or kit-built, you are going to poor your sweat, blood, tears
and most of your wallet into your pastime.
>
>If you are not ready to ride the highs and lows of aircraft building, perhaps
a ready-made aeroplane would suit you best. I must admit that I navely entered
the plans-building field because I knew I could never afford my own "real" plane.
Here was a way to fly cheap.
>
>I was handy, but not at all trained in metal work, welding, electronics nor engines.
But the experience (even after making many parts twice, building 5 spars
and assembling each wing 3 times and redesigning the engine mount 4 times and
building it twice) is something I will never regret. I am already dreading
the day when the craft is finished (sometime in the next 1 to 5 years) because
I know my garage will be void of anything that has to be welded, or sanded,
or riveted or wired.
>
>Then again, my kids would really, really love a little dune buggy.
>
>IT IS NOT THE DESTINATION, IT IS THE JOURNEY.
>
>
>Martin Bima
>STOL-Vair 701
>www.mts.net/~embima
>
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Josh Lazar" <josh@filterco.qc.ca>
Hi Herb,
How can I get my hands on those files (Zodiac> 2.acf and Zodiac
2_paint.bmp)
Thanks,
Josh Lazar
1-514-233-3251
Montreal, Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G. Harris
(Pumpkin Man)
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: X-Plane 601XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "G. Harris (Pumpkin Man)"
<pumpkin_man@autoinsanity.com>
Nice job! I don't know how accurate the flight model is, but it looks
like
an XL. I've been having fun flying it all over the place. Flew from
Arizona to Catalina Island non-stop and landed.
I hope my XL is as fast as that one though - about 150 knots all the
way.
-George
(back to lurking now)
----- Original Message -----
From: <HeatonHE@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: X-Plane 601XL
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: HeatonHE@aol.com
>
> There was some talk awhile back about an X-plane model of the 601 XL.
I
> just
> sent my files to Matt for posting on the Zenith List Specific Photo
and
> File
> Share. I used version 7.63 of X-plane.
>
> I'm no expert at modeling planes in X-plane but it's as accurate as I
> could
> get it. There are 2 files to copy into your general aircraft file,
Zodiac
> 2.acf and Zodiac 2_paint.bmp.
>
> If you have any problems send me a note offline.
>
> Regards,
> Herb Heaton
> 601XL plans built
> EA-81 Turbo
> Colorado Springs, CO
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Self Etching aerosol primer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan & Paula Yeast" <DandP@qx.net>
The primer you are asking about is Tempo A880 self etch primer. Aircraft Spruce
has it for $7.70 per can, by the time you add shipping costs it is around $12.
Check with some of your local marine dealers as the also use this on aluminum
boats.
Dan
N987PD
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| Subject: | Re: X-Plane 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
If you're adapt enough you can alter the pain scheme or use X-plane
maker to alter the engines specs to suit your ride.
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD
On Aug 29, 2005, at 9:20 AM, G. Harris (Pumpkin Man) wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "G. Harris (Pumpkin Man)"
> <pumpkin_man@autoinsanity.com>
>
> Nice job! I don't know how accurate the flight model is, but it
> looks like
> an XL. I've been having fun flying it all over the place. Flew from
> Arizona to Catalina Island non-stop and landed.
>
> I hope my XL is as fast as that one though - about 150 knots all
> the way.
>
> -George
>
> (back to lurking now)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <HeatonHE@aol.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: X-Plane 601XL
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: HeatonHE@aol.com
>>
>> There was some talk awhile back about an X-plane model of the 601
>> XL. I
>> just
>> sent my files to Matt for posting on the Zenith List Specific
>> Photo and
>> File
>> Share. I used version 7.63 of X-plane.
>>
>> I'm no expert at modeling planes in X-plane but it's as accurate as I
>> could
>> get it. There are 2 files to copy into your general aircraft
>> file, Zodiac
>> 2.acf and Zodiac 2_paint.bmp.
>>
>> If you have any problems send me a note offline.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Herb Heaton
>> 601XL plans built
>> EA-81 Turbo
>> Colorado Springs, CO
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Question about zinc chromate... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Nyholm" <pecosrog@earthlink.net>
I've been lurking for some time and just getting started on a 701 from a kit.
A question about zinc chromate, does the spray can stuff still available work
anything like the old yellow and green primers in the gallon cans? Any good alternatives
other than the sticky stuff ZAC had at their class? What's the name
of the stuff you were using, Hal? On another note, I saw a 701 on floats listed
for sale on ebay this morning.
Best regards and thanks for any advice,
Roger Nyholm 701 kit just starting
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Question about zinc chromate... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Roger, I primed every piece of aluminum that touched another piece and I used
six cans of spray for my XL. Fact is can number six is still about half full.
The spray is quick and easy to apply and dries pretty fast. I have heard it
is cheaper at boat marinas, but I have seen it sold over the counter at
Keystone Paint Stores, FWIW, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Question about zinc chromate... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fortunato <rsq2424@yahoo.com>
> A question about zinc chromate, does the spray can
> stuff still available work anything like the old
> yellow and green primers in the gallon cans?
I like the cans better, but the one drawback is that
if you don't use them for a while, the nozzle tends to
dry up to the point where it won't spray any more. I
have several cans lying around that have dried up, and
no matter what I use to clean the nozzles (paint
thinner, Goof-Off, etc), they won't clear. But if you
plan to use it right away, spraying the stuff works
better (respiration issues aside).
Mike Fortunato
601XL
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: I'm not going to get involved in this flame fest |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Checking... I'll get back whether right or wrong.
Hal
PAULROD36@msn.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
>
>Hal, Did the FAA put your permission to have your co-builder help with the testing
in writing? Is there some fine print we have overlooked, perhaps written
in microprinting around the FAA seal, or concealed in embossed Sanskrit inside
the back cover of some obscure FAA circular? If that's an official FAA position,
rather than a one-guy interpretation ("go ahead, I have no problem with
you and your co-builder doing the flight testing together.") I think it would
do a lot of us a major boon if we could quote chapter and verse on co-builders'
flight testing privileges.
>
>Paul Rodriguez
>601XL/Corvair
>fuselagin'
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hal Rozema<mailto:hartist1@cox.net>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com JIM JABARU PACIFIC<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com%20JIM%20JABARU%20PACIFIC>
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I'm not going to get involved in this flame fest
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net<mailto:hartist1@cox.net>>
>
> Gentlemen:
>
> I hate to put down all the gripes and sour grapes. My advise is "Get on
> with building your plane, and shut up". (There's a great book just out
> called "Shut up and Sing" but that's another matter)
>
> I'm a very busy 75 year old architectural designer working 50 or more
> hours a week. I built all the components of my 701 here in a downtown
> Phoenix condominium. No prior aircraft building experience. Most was
> build on out narrow back patio where we had to bring the wings indoors
> into our living room to turn them end for end so I could finish the
> other wing tip or wing root. I started in 2002 and according to my
> meticulous record (Kitlog) I have just over 800 hours invested which
> includes studying plans, and developing my own Fire Wall Forward
> arrangement for a Jabiru 3300, and fitting electric flaps.
>
> This is my tool list (* indicate Zenith listed categories)
> *WORK BENCH two Home Depot party tables 30x72 fastened end to end and
> leveled with old business cards.
> CARPENTER'S LEVEL, 4 foot, I choose to use instead of the plumb bob
> Zenith recommends
> * METRIC TAPE MEASURE furnished by Zenith
> * CLECO PLIERS from Zenith
> *VISE-GRIP HAND CLAMPS I have 6 of different sizes now that i'm nearly done
> *WRENCHES which I already had
> *ALLEN SET which I already had
> *SOCKET SET which I already had
> *HAMMER AND MALLET which I already had
> *ASSORTED SCREWDRIVERS AND PLIERS which I already had
> *LEFT AND RIGHT METAL SHEARS from Zenith
> *MANUAL RIVET PULLER from Zenith
> I bought a big air compressor and pneumatic puller and sold it after
> about 100 rivets.. too slow and noisy. I sold them.
> *BATTERY DRILL and assorted drill bits from the Aviation Department at
> Home Depot (Step drill is handy) Not smaller than 12V
> *FILES small, double cut or mill plus a round chain file
> *HACKSAW already had one but never used it (see Dremel Tool below)
> DREMEL TOOL the smallest and cheapest. I've used about 100 cut off
> discs, cuts a smoother line in aluminum than snips
> RIV-NUTS AND 8-32 SCREWS for the FWF/ Engine/Cowling (Note, this is not
> a Zenith package
> SOLDERING IRON 4500W for electrical work, not part of the Zenith package
> WIRE STRIPPER for electrical work, not part of the Zenith package
> WIRE CONNECTOR CRIMPER for electrical work, not part of the Zenith
> package (Suggest soldering besides just to be sure)
> VACUUM SHOP AND SMALL BATTERY POWERED FOR INSIDE THE PLANE
> SCALE (1) for weight and balance (one wheel at a time)
> ENGINE HOIST borrow from EAA Chapter member
> WING STANDS borrow from EAA Chapter member
> WIFE (provide your own, not someone else's) handy for pushing one out to
> the hangar, drilling, bringing food, lifting wings, debarring, getting
> seats upholstered, running the Vac, filing in holes I've made with "hole
> filler", talking to visitors while you continue to work, flying
> co-pilot (she's worked on it so the FAA say she can be aboard to take
> notes etc. during the 40 hour fly off)).
>
> Not needed: Bench Vise, Anvil (not the chorus), Brake, Shear, Bench
> Grinder, Lathe, Drill Press, Belt Sander, Router, Shaper, Wife that
> shows no interest , thinks your nutz, and says so, OR somebody else's wife.
>
> Note when I departed from Zenith's Rotax Engine Options, I have been on
> my own, but Sebastian, Nick and Roger have been helpful whenever called
> on with just about any issue. Jim McCormick, the west coast Jabiru
> dealer has been superb as well. Can't say enough about Jabiru, either,
> we went through 4 engine mounts before they got everything right and
> they did it without charge or complaint.
>
> If I had read all the fault finders e-mails back in 2002, I probably
> would not have had the nerve to attempt the project, as it is I'm
> assuming these people also grumble about everything: in their work,
> their family, their car, their medicine and their Na Na who obviously
> neglected them as children.
> Time to stop writing complaints, figure things out for yourself, get
> help when need and let's all get our airplanes flying.
>
> You can check my elaborately equipped workshop on the Construction
> Gallery on my web site at http://theplanefolks.net/gallery/<http://theplanefolks.net/gallery/>
>
> Bless you all and thanks to the listers who have helped me in the past.
>
> Hal Rozema
> ThePlaneFolks.Net
>
> Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net<mailto:wr.giacona@cox.net>>
> >
> >I'm not going to get involved in this flame fest.
> >I'm not going to get involved in this flame fest.
> >I'm not going to get involved in this flame fest.
> >
> >Yeah, I am.
> >
> >Does Zenith marketing make it look like it is going to be easier than it is
> >to build their planes?
> >
> >Of course they do. All of the kit makers make it look easier than it is.
> >Just as all toilet bowl cleaner's advertising makes it look like your wife
> >will be cleaning the john in an evening gown.
> >But we, as adult's who grew up in an age of advertising, should have
> >developed a filter that allows us to decode a certain amount of this. Did i
> >beleive for a second that I would complete the 601XL in 300 hours. Hell no.
> >
> >Take a look at this http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/tools.htm<http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/tools.htm>. Could you
> >build their aircraft with JUST those tools? Maybe. Has anyone built a Zenith
> >plane with just those tools? No. Did I really think I would? No.
> >
> >I really only have one major complant about Zenith.
> >
> >1. The construction manual. It is very step by step on the tail and the
> >wings Once you get to the fuselage it makes some huge assumptions and skips
> >over or doesn't explane several steps.
> >
> >Now Paul, your very new to building your plane and have only built what is
> >the most well explained part in the kit. I'd suggest you dial it back a
> >little.
> >
> >GigG
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Spray can nozzles |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
One method to keep spray can nozzles from getting clogged is to pull the nozzle
off the can after each use and let it soak in a jar of solvent until you need
it again.
George
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| Subject: | Re: I'm not going to get involved in this flame fest |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Dear Paul and anyone else interested:
Sorry if I misled you all, I was wrong (with certain reservations).
Here is a copy of what I learned. Maybe you can butter up your DAR, but
I don't think so as responsibility would fall on him for anything unseemly.
Hello Hal,
Unfortunately, the FAA does not consider "record keeping" (reading
gauges, noting temperatures, and other data gathering) to meet the
requirement for requiring a second person in the aircraft during the
flight test period (regardless of whether the person participated in the
building of the aircraft or not). Except in VERY rare circumstances,
the FAA considers that, if the aircraft does not require two pilots
during normal operations, then it does not require two persons on board
during the flight test period.
However, that being said, if you can get the FAA to specifically write
an operating limitations allowing the second person to be on board
during the flight test flying, then it would be allowed. But without
having this specifically spelled out in the operating limitations,
there's no way to carry another person in the aircraft during flight
testing.
Hope this helps!
Joe Norris
EAA Aviation Services
EAA Aviation Center, Oshkosh, WI
888-322-4636, extension 6806
jnorris@eaa.org
PAULROD36@msn.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
>
>Hal, Did the FAA put your permission to have your co-builder help with the testing
in writing? Is there some fine print we have overlooked, perhaps written
in microprinting around the FAA seal, or concealed in embossed Sanskrit inside
the back cover of some obscure FAA circular? If that's an official FAA position,
rather than a one-guy interpretation ("go ahead, I have no problem with
you and your co-builder doing the flight testing together.") I think it would
do a lot of us a major boon if we could quote chapter and verse on co-builders'
flight testing privileges.
>
>Paul Rodriguez
>601XL/Corvair
>fuselagin'
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spray can nozzles |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
When done, are you immediately turning the can upside down and spraying
until the mist turns from green to clear? Always worked for me. Robert
Schoenberger do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Spray can nozzles
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
>
> One method to keep spray can nozzles from getting clogged is to pull the
> nozzle off the can after each use and let it soak in a jar of solvent
> until you need it again.
>
> George
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question about zinc chromate... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Culver" <rculver@nycap.rr.com>
I noticed that some providers recommend zinc oxide rather than chromate and
claim that it works just as well without the cancer potential of chromates.
Any chemists or folks who have experience with the oxide? Any downside to
the oxide that you know from experience?
Ron Culver
Ch 701 about 3% (scratch builder ) still cutting aluminum sheets..8
)
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| Subject: | Re: Spray can nozzles |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
All-
I can't speak for how well it's going to work in the long run, but
rather than pay $50 for a high-tech respirator, I spent a buck a can more
for the new Zinc Oxide corrosion protectant, which is much more eco and lung
friendly. I still use a disposable mask, and to date have only sprayed
outside in the back yard. Since I'm 600 miles from the nearest salt water, I
don't know if I really need it, anyway, but better safe than sorry.
Part # 7-9100 at Aircraft Spruce.
As far as clearing the nozzle is concerned- when all else fails, read
the instructions. Turn the can upside down and push the button until you get
nothing but compressed air (Or Freon, or whatever the propellant is) coming
out.
Bill
601HDS
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From: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Spray can nozzles
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
>
> One method to keep spray can nozzles from getting clogged is to pull the
nozzle off the can after each use and let it soak in a jar of solvent until
you need it again.
>
> George
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
All-
Still haven't got the hang of adding "do not archive" to my postings.
Sorry.
Bill
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Folding Wings Kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Just one more comment on the folding wings, for what it is worth. When I
asked about them 2 1/2 years ago at the rudder workshop I was actively
discouraged from considering them. I forget whether it was Nick or Sebastion,
but
someone told me not to bother, that it is as easy to remove the wings without
the kit.
Jim
701/Portland
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| Subject: | Spray can nozzles |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" <Graham@601hd.com>
For those debating Tempo Spray primers, my experience has been that the
Zinc-Chromate cans are much less prone to clogging than the Zinc-Oxide. I
have had to ditch at least half a dozen part used tins of Zinc-Oxide and I
am always careful to make sure the nozzles are cleaned correctly and the
paint is well mixed before I use them.
Graham Kirby
601HD
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| Subject: | Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Hi Listers,
Does anyone know the story behind this aircraft and the crash? Almost
looks like an RC model especially given the cameraman's rather
unemotional comment following the crash. Kind of looks like the
elevator may have been hooked up backwards following a rebuild.
http://media4.big-boys.com/content/oldplanecrash.wmv
Any information on this video would be intersting.
Matt
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