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1. 05:06 AM - throttle cables (The Minearts)
2. 06:12 AM - Re:Turning wings over on the bench (Gig Giacona)
3. 07:16 AM - Re: PARTS LIST Date: ...1 Aug 2005 08:13:58 +0200 (\214rodkowoeuropejs... (kevinbonds)
4. 07:48 AM - Re: PARTS LIST Date: ...1 Aug 2005 08:13:58 +0200 (\214r... (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
5. 08:07 AM - Re: PARTS LIST Date: ...1 Aug 2005 08:13:58 +0200 (\214r... (BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz)
6. 08:44 AM - The story behind the crash (Tim Egan)
7. 09:12 AM - Re: Turning wings over on the bench (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
8. 12:15 PM - Re: Turning wings over on the bench (Gary Gower)
9. 01:01 PM - Re: Turning wings over on the bench ()
10. 02:56 PM - Scrapbuilders (R. Saarinen)
11. 03:02 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 08/30/05 (Tom Evans)
12. 03:16 PM - Re: Turning wings over on the bench (William J. Naumuk)
13. 03:48 PM - 601 nose skin (Brad Cohen)
14. 04:20 PM - Re: Scrapbuilders (kevinbonds)
15. 05:05 PM - Re: 601 nose skin (William J. Naumuk)
16. 05:43 PM - Dynon EFIS (Sigmo@aol.com)
17. 09:56 PM - Pulling Rivets in Tight Places (doug kandle)
18. 10:20 PM - Re: Pulling Rivets in Tight Places 1.67 SARE_ADLTSUB2 Contains possible adult words (kevinbonds)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Minearts" <smineart@kdsi.net>
Does anyone have recommendations on what to use for throttle cables? I want to
use dual cables and join them at the carb, like Roger has on the ZAC 801. I'm
using a Wynne Corvair with MA3-SPA, so would be similar to most O-200 or O-235
setups.
Steve Mineart
CH601
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| Subject: | Re:Turning wings over on the bench |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Don, If I'm understanding you correctly DO NOT let the wing rest on the
Clecos. They can and will bend the skin. Go to my site
http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR/html/wings_36.html
THe photo doesn't sho it that well but you will see that I was holding the
wing up with 4 2"x2" square steel tubes.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I just finished riveting up the bottom skin and the
bottom side of the leading edge skin on one of my
wings on a 601XL. I have the top side skin clecoed
on, and the wings leveled up on blocks of wood that I
fabricated to the correct angles. I asked my wife to
help me turn the wing over, and she is too small to
pick up the wing and turn it over. How have you guys
turned your wings over? Have you removed the leveling
blocks and set it down on the clecoes holding the top
skin on without damaging the skin? I just moved to
southwest Iowa and don't have anybody around here that
can help me.
Don
601 XL
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| Subject: | PARTS LIST Date: ...1 Aug 2005 08:13:58 +0200 |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Scrapbuilders? . . .Well yeah there's some truth in that. Sometimes I fear
that's all I'm doing--building scrap. A guy in my chapter asks everytime I
see him "well ya made any more scrap lately". :)
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BIANCO Tadeusz
Forgacz
Subject: Zenith-List: PARTS LIST Date: ...1 Aug 2005 08:13:58 +0200
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz" <info@bianco.pl>
does anyone of You scrapbuilders have list of 601HD parts, for ex. in Excel?
I need detailed list of parts, not like that one at 601.org.
Thanks
Tadeusz Forgacz
info@bianco.pl
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| Subject: | Re: PARTS LIST Date: ...1 Aug 2005 08:13:58 +0200 |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
I love it! I just found a new name for my hobby!
"Scrapbuilder.....!"
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| Subject: | Re: PARTS LIST Date: ...1 Aug 2005 08:13:58 +0200 |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz" <info@bianco.pl>
upsss.....
:)
sorry.
TF
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From: VideoFlyer@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: PARTS LIST Date: ...1 Aug 2005 08:13:58 +0200
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
I love it! I just found a new name for my hobby!
"Scrapbuilder.....!"
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| Subject: | The story behind the crash |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Egan" <eedetailing@qwest.net>
Modified Caribou with a control lock left in place by a
mechanic. From aviation safety network.
Time: 10:20
Type: de Havilland Canada DHC-4T Caribou
Operator: NewCal Aviation
Registration: N400NC
Msn / C/n: 240
Year built: 1965
Crew: 3 fatalities / 3 on board
Passengers: 0 fatalities / 0 on board
Total: 3 fatalities / 3 on board
Airplane damage: Written off
Location: Gimli, MB (Canada)
Phase: Initial climb (ICL)
Nature: Test
Departure airport: Gimli Airport, MB (YGM)
Destination airport: Gimli Airport, MB (YGM)
Narrative:
The aircraft took off for a test flight for a turbine-engine conversion programme.
It climbed steeply, rolled to the right and crashed in a nose-down, rightwing-low
attitude.
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| Subject: | Re: Turning wings over on the bench |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Don, I had the same problem. Small, puny wife. I bought her a work out
machine so that she could build herself up. She uses it as a coat rack. Still,
with
time and patience I trained her to help turn the wing. I would stretch out
towels to keep the nose skin from harm. We turned each wing on a three count. I
was on inboard she on wing tip. We would lift and turn it onto it's nose skin
onto the towels and set it down. I would reverse hands then she would reverse
hands. Then we lifted together and rotated the whole wing then set it down
again. She got the hang of it pretty quick and we never dinged the skin. Good luck
and hope it helps, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Turning wings over on the bench |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Bill, I am shure that you can find one of this expensive "Coat Racks" in every
home all over the world! :-) :-) :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
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One coat rack here...
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Don, I had the same problem. Small, puny wife. I bought her a work out
machine so that she could build herself up. She uses it as a coat rack. Still,
with
time and patience I trained her to help turn the wing. I would stretch out
towels to keep the nose skin from harm. We turned each wing on a three count. I
was on inboard she on wing tip. We would lift and turn it onto it's nose skin
onto the towels and set it down. I would reverse hands then she would reverse
hands. Then we lifted together and rotated the whole wing then set it down
again. She got the hang of it pretty quick and we never dinged the skin. Good luck
and hope it helps, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Turning wings over on the bench |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
If you can lay your hands on a bunch of styrofoam blocks, you can rassle the wing
over on them. The clecoes will sink into the sytrofoam, and not hurt the wing.
If you just lay it on the clecoes you'll lay them over with resultant damage
to the smoothness of the holes.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Mountain<mailto:mountain4don@yahoo.com>
To: Zenith<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Turning wings over on the bench
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com<mailto:mountain4don@yahoo.com>>
I just finished riveting up the bottom skin and the
bottom side of the leading edge skin on one of my
wings on a 601XL. I have the top side skin clecoed
on, and the wings leveled up on blocks of wood that I
fabricated to the correct angles. I asked my wife to
help me turn the wing over, and she is too small to
pick up the wing and turn it over. How have you guys
turned your wings over? Have you removed the leveling
blocks and set it down on the clecoes holding the top
skin on without damaging the skin? I just moved to
southwest Iowa and don't have anybody around here that
can help me.
Don
601 XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "R. Saarinen" <sales@steelframe.com.au>
Scrapbuilders thats a new name for us Scratchbuilders, well I suppose
all my unmade small parts live in the scrap bin untill I take them out &
make them.
Ron Saarinen
sales@steelframe.com.au
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 08/30/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Evans" <Tom@carolinaskysports.com>
This is video of the crash of modified DeHavilland DHC-4 Caribou.
This aircraft is a STOL transport aircraft that was used extensively in
Vietnam by the Army then the Air Force. It is still in use after 40 years
all over the globe.
Originally they came with large radial engines, P&W R2000. The
DHC-5 Buffalo was almost identical but a little larger and came with
turbo-prop engines but they were slightly underpowered.
A company began looking for a way to upgrade the DHC-4 to turbo-prop
engine and extend the useful life of the niche aircraft. I might be
mistaken but I believe the name was something like New Cal. They spent a
lot of money and effort on the STC and this crash occurred during the
process. Another company, Pen Turbo Aviation (www.penturbo.com) in NJ
purchased the rights and continued with the STC and got it approved in the
US and Canada. These modified aircraft are now designated as DHC-4A Turbo
Caribou with PT6A-67 engines and 5 bladed props. If you need to get 10,000
of cargo into or out of the bush this is the plane for you.
The videos are definitely worth a few minutes of your time. On
their web site are videos of this aircraft performing amazing STOL takeoffs
and landings. Go to first picture gallery button for videos.
It lands at a gross of 28,500lbs to full stop in 439ft, and light in
243ft. Take off at gross in 781ft and light in 233ft. This is a plane with
95ft wing span. Wish I had $4 million just burning a whole in my pocket.
Tom Evans
Long time lurker
Future 701 builder
Current '39 Luscombe project owner
> > Does anyone know the story behind this aircraft and the crash? Almost
> > looks like an RC model especially given the cameraman's rather
> > unemotional comment following the crash. Kind of looks like the
> > elevator may have been hooked up backwards following a rebuild.
> >
> > http://media4.big-boys.com/content/oldplanecrash.wmv
> >
> > Any information on this video would be intersting.
> >
> > Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Turning wings over on the bench |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Mountain" <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Turning wings over on the bench
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
Don-
Bottom line is, the easiest solution is to get a helper. As far as
cleco/table clearance is concerned, I built mine on 4x4 blocking the local
sawmill let me have for nothing because it was too knotty to sell.
Bill
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
I am still working on the right wing of my XL and have a question for the group.
By the way, thanks so much to all who chimed in on the fuel sender placement.
you guys saved my bacon.
I am about to place the nose skin on the right wing, and this is how I intend to
do it because the building guide just does not seem that helpful to me. (well,
OK lets just say that it seems confusing to me)
I am going to predrill all of the nose rib and the flange holes in the nose skin,
both top and bottom. Then I plan to strap the nose skin in place with the
ratchet straps to get a snug fit against the nose ribs. once this is done I will
drill and cleco the upper and lower flanges then go back and drill and cleco
the nose ribs.
I am hesitant to start with the upper flange and wrap the skin around the ribs,
it seems once you drill the flange holes, your fate is sealed, for better or
worse and there is no room to make adjustments. At least this way I can slide
the nose skin fore or aft to ensure a good fit to the flanges and the only thing
I risk is a misplaced rib rivet.
Can anyone tell me if I am completely whacked for trying this approach? does this
make any sense to anyone else?......
Thanks
Brad Cohen
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
What sculptor was it that was famous for saying "the image is already in the
stone I just have to find it"? I guess my "scrapmetal" is already in the
sheet I just have to find it :).
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R. Saarinen
Subject: Zenith-List: Scrapbuilders
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "R. Saarinen" <sales@steelframe.com.au>
Scrapbuilders thats a new name for us Scratchbuilders, well I suppose
all my unmade small parts live in the scrap bin untill I take them out &
make them.
Ron Saarinen
sales@steelframe.com.au
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| Subject: | Re: 601 nose skin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 nose skin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
Brad-
I could get real long winded here, so I'm just going to hit the
highlights.
1. Do the bottom first.
2. DONT predrill both the rib and the nose skin. Predrill the nose skin,
line the rib up, and BACKDRILL.
3. You can get by without a template for the bottom, but bite the bullet
and make one for the top. My HDS kit came with
some 1-1/2"x .025 scraps that worked perfectly. See Larry Mac's site
(Journal, Parts 1+2) for an explanation. You'll
have to read it 3-4 times before the concept sinks in, and I don't
know if I could do a better job of explaining the job.
4. Try to keep a logical spacing between the rib crimps, but don't get
bent out of shape if you can't. I don't think there are
any two Zenith's out there with the same nose rib spacing.
5. Be mentally prepared to have the nose skin on and off so many times
you'll thank God for Mr. Cleco.
6. Don't think you're going to get this done in a hurry. If you get
frustrated, you're time ahead to quit and think things out.
Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Sigmo@aol.com
I sure have to give Kudos' to the Dynon guys. I was having a few problems
with a low battery charge and Dynon D-10A activation at Arlington. A couple of
the Dynon guys were there and totally trouble shot the systems and downloaded
current software on my unit.
The thing works great again and I fount out three major things:
1- get the new software installed
2- keep the battery charged
3- Dynon people really are great and support you enthusiastically
Mike Sigman
601XL
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| Subject: | Pulling Rivets in Tight Places |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
I am just about to rivet the horizontal stabilizer. It appears that
there will be rivets in places that my pneumatic riveter won't be
able to get into. Should I get a manual rivet puller for these tight
spaces? Or can I plan ahead carefully and rivet the components in
just the right order so that I will be able to use the larger pneumatic puller?
Doug Kandle
CH701
Boise ID
Rudder Done,
Starting H.S.
From complete kit
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| Subject: | Pulling Rivets in Tight Places 1.67 SARE_ADLTSUB2 |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
I'm not sure how anyone would be able to pull the rivets for the upper
control horn without a manual puller. You will even have to grind that down.
Go ahead and buy one.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug kandle
Subject: Zenith-List: Pulling Rivets in Tight Places 1.67 SARE_ADLTSUB2
Contains possible adult words
--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
I am just about to rivet the horizontal stabilizer. It appears that
there will be rivets in places that my pneumatic riveter won't be
able to get into. Should I get a manual rivet puller for these tight
spaces? Or can I plan ahead carefully and rivet the components in
just the right order so that I will be able to use the larger pneumatic
puller?
Doug Kandle
CH701
Boise ID
Rudder Done,
Starting H.S.
From complete kit
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