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1. 07:28 AM - You can now buy a complete, commercially manufactured 701 or 801.... (Garrou, Douglas)
2. 07:36 AM - Re: You can now buy a complete, commercially manufactured 701 or... (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
3. 07:59 AM - Re: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru Horsepower. (Thilo Kind)
4. 09:17 AM - Re: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru Horsepower. (Leo Corbalis)
5. 09:30 AM - 601xl &corvair engine mount (ken smith)
6. 09:31 AM - Re: Fuel vent dumping on LE HDS tanks (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 09:51 AM - CH601 on Amphibs (gordo@xplornet.com)
8. 11:08 AM - Re: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru Horsepower. (Gary Gower)
9. 11:56 AM - Re: CH601 on Amphibs (Daniel Vandenberg)
10. 01:53 PM - CH701 Flaperon skins (john swanson)
11. 02:28 PM - Re: Rivnut (Carlos Sa)
12. 05:01 PM - Matronics Web Server Upgrade Today Tuesday 09/06/05 5pm PDT (Matt Dralle)
13. 05:34 PM - Stratus engine mount crack (Bryan Martin)
14. 06:26 PM - Re: Anyone buck riveting an XL? (Peter Franke)
15. 08:36 PM - CH701 Pilot Height/Weight Questions (Jeff Francis)
16. 08:50 PM - Re: 601xl &corvair engine mount (nhulin)
17. 09:24 PM - Re: CH701 Pilot Height/Weight Questions (Allen Ricks)
18. 10:44 PM - Re: CH701 Pilot Height/Weight Questions (kevinbonds)
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| Subject: | You can now buy a complete, commercially manufactured 701 |
or 801....
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
....but it will be a bit small. Check out "Cubby Cargo," from Tonka's Lil' Chuck
Airlines collection:
http://www.maisto.com/product_detail.asp?prod=1926&from=151
Tell me this thing isn't based on the Zenith 701 and 801 -- it even has the slab
landing gear and a paint job like the factory demo models!! Obviously it's
the perfect gift for the youngsters in your life.
I wonder if Chris H. is getting royalties? :)
Cheers
Doug Garrou
Project801
www.garrou.com
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| Subject: | Re: You can now buy a complete, commercially manufactured |
701 or...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
<<<<<Tell me this thing isn't based on the Zenith 701 and 801 -- it even has
the slab landing gear and a paint job like the factory demo models!!=A0 >>>>
Hmmmm.....I think that's a stretch. But then, maybe your imagination is
better than mine. Anyway...it's cute. My grandson would love it!
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru Horsepower. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Leo et al,
the Woodcomp prop I got does not require a hollow shaft. Pitch is set by en
electric motor inside the hub. Pitch is adjusted manually (switch in IP).
Alternatively, Woodcomp offers a controller, that essentially turns the prop
into a constant speed prop by using the manifold pressure and the RPM as
input valves and thus automatically controlling the pitch.
Best regards
Thilo Kind
> --- Ursprngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Leo Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
> An: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Betreff: Re: Zenith-List: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru
> Horsepower.
> Datum: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:33:18 -0700
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis"
> <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>
> The Woodcomp that I have is not useable because it requires a hollow
> propeller shaft. Pitch is increased by pushing a rod thru the hollow shaft
> to increase pitch. flat pitch is obtained by the air load on the blades
> twisting them to flat pitch and a helper spring. According to pponk.com
> the
> max effeciency is reached at a tip speed of .88 to .92 MACH. Compute for
> .92
> at 3300 rpm for takeoff and you should be around .88 at cruise at altitude
> where it is colder and MACH 1 is slower. The path you are computing is not
> in a flat plane but a spiral which makes each revolution longer Don't
> forget
> that as you approach MACH 1 at the tip the noise will make the airport a
> really bad neighbor !
> Try airmasterpropellers.com. Hope this helps.
>
> Leo Corbalis
> -
> From: "James Ferris" <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru
> Horsepower.
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Whewe do you get a woodcomp adj. prop.?
> > thanks
> > Jim
> >
> > --- Leo Corbalis <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis"
> >> <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
> >>
> >> I presume you are using a carved or molded fixed
> >> pitch prop. When I checked
> >> around before I picked the Woodcomp in-flight
> >> adjustable 3100 rpm was the
> >> highest I could find. A small fast turning prop will
> >> not produce as much
> >> thrust as a larger slower prop. This is a given
> >> within normal limits.
> >> Changing pitch in - flight really improves
> >> performance. If th Sonex has a
> >> wider speed range, which I assume, you'd benefit
> >> more than me from changing
> >> pitch from climb to cruise.
> >>
> >> Leo
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Chris Boultinghouse" <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
> >> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XL Specification for Vne,
> >> and Rotax vs Jabiru
> >> Horsepower.
> >>
> >>
> >> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris
> >> Boultinghouse"
> >> > <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
> >> >
> >> > Leo,
> >> >
> >> > I think you'll get some disagreement from the
> >> dozens of Sonex drivers out
> >> > there who happily spin their Sensenich and Prince
> >> props right up to (and
> >> > sometimes beyond) 3300 rpm! Sure seems to be a
> >> useful enough rpm range to
> >> > spank the living daylights (speed-wise) out of any
> >> Zodiac on the planet.
> >> > And
> >> > they don't seem to be having any issues with
> >> blades leaving their happy
> >> > hub
> >> > either!
> >> >
> >> > Just a thought. :
> >> > )
> >> >
> >> > -Chris
> >> >
> >> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> >> >> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On
> >> Behalf Of Leo Corbalis
> >> >> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:08 AM
> >> >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >> >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Specification for
> >> Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru
> >> >> Horsepower.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis"
> >> >> <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
> >> >>
> >> >> 3300 rpm is not a very useful speed range for
> >> available propellers. Most
> >> >> props are limited to lower rpm. centrifugal force
> >> increases as
> >> >> the square of
> >> >> the rpm causing prop blades to leave their happy
> >> hub and fly off into the
> >> >> great beyond. Yes I know about the racers that
> >> crank 4000 rpm out
> >> >> of a C-90.
> >> >> They are engineered to do it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Leo Corbalis
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> browse
> >> Subscriptions page,
> >> FAQ,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
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2000 MB nur 2,99, Flatrate ab 4,99 Euro/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
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| Subject: | Re: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru Horsepower. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks. I haven't really been checking on whats new. I'm satisfied with my
setup. I'd love to have a twin jet bird so I could really tear a hole in the
sky but I live in the real world.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru
Horsepower.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
>
> Hi Leo et al,
>
> the Woodcomp prop I got does not require a hollow shaft. Pitch is set by
> en
> electric motor inside the hub. Pitch is adjusted manually (switch in IP).
> Alternatively, Woodcomp offers a controller, that essentially turns the
> prop
> into a constant speed prop by using the manifold pressure and the RPM as
> input valves and thus automatically controlling the pitch.
>
> Best regards
>
> Thilo Kind
>
>> --- Ursprngliche Nachricht ---
>> Von: "Leo Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>> An: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Betreff: Re: Zenith-List: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru
>> Horsepower.
>> Datum: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:33:18 -0700
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis"
>> <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> The Woodcomp that I have is not useable because it requires a hollow
>> propeller shaft. Pitch is increased by pushing a rod thru the hollow
>> shaft
>> to increase pitch. flat pitch is obtained by the air load on the blades
>> twisting them to flat pitch and a helper spring. According to pponk.com
>> the
>> max effeciency is reached at a tip speed of .88 to .92 MACH. Compute for
>> .92
>> at 3300 rpm for takeoff and you should be around .88 at cruise at
>> altitude
>> where it is colder and MACH 1 is slower. The path you are computing is
>> not
>> in a flat plane but a spiral which makes each revolution longer Don't
>> forget
>> that as you approach MACH 1 at the tip the noise will make the airport a
>> really bad neighbor !
>> Try airmasterpropellers.com. Hope this helps.
>>
>> Leo Corbalis
>> -
>> From: "James Ferris" <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru
>> Horsepower.
>>
>>
>> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> > Whewe do you get a woodcomp adj. prop.?
>> > thanks
>> > Jim
>> >
>> > --- Leo Corbalis <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis"
>> >> <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>> >>
>> >> I presume you are using a carved or molded fixed
>> >> pitch prop. When I checked
>> >> around before I picked the Woodcomp in-flight
>> >> adjustable 3100 rpm was the
>> >> highest I could find. A small fast turning prop will
>> >> not produce as much
>> >> thrust as a larger slower prop. This is a given
>> >> within normal limits.
>> >> Changing pitch in - flight really improves
>> >> performance. If th Sonex has a
>> >> wider speed range, which I assume, you'd benefit
>> >> more than me from changing
>> >> pitch from climb to cruise.
>> >>
>> >> Leo
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Chris Boultinghouse" <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
>> >> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> >> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XL Specification for Vne,
>> >> and Rotax vs Jabiru
>> >> Horsepower.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris
>> >> Boultinghouse"
>> >> > <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
>> >> >
>> >> > Leo,
>> >> >
>> >> > I think you'll get some disagreement from the
>> >> dozens of Sonex drivers out
>> >> > there who happily spin their Sensenich and Prince
>> >> props right up to (and
>> >> > sometimes beyond) 3300 rpm! Sure seems to be a
>> >> useful enough rpm range to
>> >> > spank the living daylights (speed-wise) out of any
>> >> Zodiac on the planet.
>> >> > And
>> >> > they don't seem to be having any issues with
>> >> blades leaving their happy
>> >> > hub
>> >> > either!
>> >> >
>> >> > Just a thought. :
>> >> > )
>> >> >
>> >> > -Chris
>> >> >
>> >> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> >> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On
>> >> Behalf Of Leo Corbalis
>> >> >> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:08 AM
>> >> >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> >> >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Specification for
>> >> Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru
>> >> >> Horsepower.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis"
>> >> >> <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 3300 rpm is not a very useful speed range for
>> >> available propellers. Most
>> >> >> props are limited to lower rpm. centrifugal force
>> >> increases as
>> >> >> the square of
>> >> >> the rpm causing prop blades to leave their happy
>> >> hub and fly off into the
>> >> >> great beyond. Yes I know about the racers that
>> >> crank 4000 rpm out
>> >> >> of a C-90.
>> >> >> They are engineered to do it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Leo Corbalis
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> browse
>> >> Subscriptions page,
>> >> FAQ,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> GMX DSL = Maximale Leistung zum minimalen Preis!
> 2000 MB nur 2,99, Flatrate ab 4,99 Euro/Monat:
> http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 601xl &corvair engine mount |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ken smith <lrepilot@yahoo.com>
I have found conflicting dimensions for the prop flange distance from the firewall
top longeron engine mount bolt. From looking at WW's 601, the prop is about
30.5 inches along the axis of the aircraft. It is also a taildragger, so the
CG must be aft of the main wheels. Since this is not so for a tri gear it would
seem that the engine should be mounted further forward, but by how much. I
am aiming to get the empty CG about 6 inches aft of the wing leading edge, so
that with a 170lb pilot and unusable fuel, the CG will be at the forward end of
the CG envelope. Any help will be appreciated.
Ken
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| Subject: | Fuel vent dumping on LE HDS tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Just a thought on this issue.
Vans has a system where they take a vent tube to the highest point in
the tank and take this through the wing root end of the tank, into the
cockpit, up to the bottom of the instrument panel and down through the
floor in front of the rudder pedals.
In theory it will be much harder to lose fuel this way. They only use
1/4" line (makes me a litle nervous about the pressure drop thru this
long line but air is much easier to flow than fuel).
It would not be viable for a retrofit application but if you are about
to install your tanks you could easily cut a fitting hole and use the
"Proseal" tank sealant to reseal.
Anyway, just a thought.
Frank
HDS,Subaru 374 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartl
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel vent dumping on LE HDS tanks
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
Hi List,
After my 4th flight in N414PZ I was trying to determine where all the
fuel is going - too rich of mixture, leaking tanks, etc., when I noticed
that a rather slight jostling of the wing (when parked) sent a fair
amount of fuel out the vent, even with a tank only 1/3 full! There is a
kind of resonate condition that builds waves of fuel rather quickly
inside these tanks, and it doesn't take much shakin' to get a a pretty
good stream out the vent.
I also noticed marks under the wings aft of the vent, clearly tracing
out where dumped fuel had been pushed back and up onto the lower wing
surface during flight. At $3.20 a gallon, this is getting expensive!
These are the ZAC-built leading edge 10-gallon tanks for the HDS. I
have cut the vent at a 45-degree angle to get a little ram air pressure
in flight, but I really wonder how much fuel is being dumped in taxi
operations and when in turns.
I'm thinking about modifying the vent to look more like a pitot tube -
or perhaps add some sort of baffling inside ?????
Has anyone noticed and/or addressed this issue?
Thanks,
Paul
P.S. N414PZ really is a nice flying machine. I now have 3.2 hours on
her. -- Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A Flight Simulator 2002/4
Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl Sun Valley, Idaho 83340
208-788-9147
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| Subject: | CH601 on Amphibs |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: gordo@xplornet.com
Hello all, My name is Gord, I am very new to the CH601, I just purchased a
601 with a 914 on amphibs, and looking forward to a lot of fun with it, but
I have a million questions too. I would like to hear from anyone who has
experience with a 601 on amphibs in the winter. The plane did not come with a
wheel kit. I realize there are only a few on amphibs out there, but if anyone
can give me advice regarding leaving it on the amphibs or putting it on wheels
it would be appreciated. I am in Ontario Canada, and currently have the
plane at Greenbank airport, which is a grass strip, I am concerned it may have
handling problems on the ground in light snow conditions... your
thoughts? .... thanks
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| Subject: | Re: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru Horsepower. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Leo,
Not always fast is better...
This words were from a friend that lived near my house, I helped him bucle some
rivets.
He tested a GP-4 before choosing and buying his finaly an RV-4 kit. many (?)
years ago:
"FUN flying beguins the moment the wheels leaves the ground, also how forgiving
and easy is the airplane to land... Not how fast you get any place... "
He was a retired air taxi (bush pilot).
Remember most of us, weekend pilots "practice" flying from 35 to 50 hrs a year
only...
To keep us proficient and safe... Choosing the correct airplane is important.
In price per hour per year, and in take off and landing 'adrenaline" (sp?)
Well, just my point of view.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Leo Corbalis <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis"
Thanks. I haven't really been checking on whats new. I'm satisfied with my
setup. I'd love to have a twin jet bird so I could really tear a hole in the
sky but I live in the real world.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thilo Kind"
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru
Horsepower.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind"
>
> Hi Leo et al,
>
> the Woodcomp prop I got does not require a hollow shaft. Pitch is set by
> en
> electric motor inside the hub. Pitch is adjusted manually (switch in IP).
> Alternatively, Woodcomp offers a controller, that essentially turns the
> prop
> into a constant speed prop by using the manifold pressure and the RPM as
> input valves and thus automatically controlling the pitch.
>
> Best regards
>
> Thilo Kind
>
>> --- Ursprngliche Nachricht ---
>> Von: "Leo Corbalis"
>> An:
>> Betreff: Re: Zenith-List: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru
>> Horsepower.
>> Datum: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:33:18 -0700
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis"
>>
>>
>> The Woodcomp that I have is not useable because it requires a hollow
>> propeller shaft. Pitch is increased by pushing a rod thru the hollow
>> shaft
>> to increase pitch. flat pitch is obtained by the air load on the blades
>> twisting them to flat pitch and a helper spring. According to pponk.com
>> the
>> max effeciency is reached at a tip speed of .88 to .92 MACH. Compute for
>> .92
>> at 3300 rpm for takeoff and you should be around .88 at cruise at
>> altitude
>> where it is colder and MACH 1 is slower. The path you are computing is
>> not
>> in a flat plane but a spiral which makes each revolution longer Don't
>> forget
>> that as you approach MACH 1 at the tip the noise will make the airport a
>> really bad neighbor !
>> Try airmasterpropellers.com. Hope this helps.
>>
>> Leo Corbalis
>> -
>> From: "James Ferris"
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Specification for Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru
>> Horsepower.
>>
>>
>> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris
>> >
>> > Whewe do you get a woodcomp adj. prop.?
>> > thanks
>> > Jim
>> >
>> > --- Leo Corbalis wrote:
>> >
>> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I presume you are using a carved or molded fixed
>> >> pitch prop. When I checked
>> >> around before I picked the Woodcomp in-flight
>> >> adjustable 3100 rpm was the
>> >> highest I could find. A small fast turning prop will
>> >> not produce as much
>> >> thrust as a larger slower prop. This is a given
>> >> within normal limits.
>> >> Changing pitch in - flight really improves
>> >> performance. If th Sonex has a
>> >> wider speed range, which I assume, you'd benefit
>> >> more than me from changing
>> >> pitch from climb to cruise.
>> >>
>> >> Leo
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Chris Boultinghouse"
>> >> To:
>> >> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XL Specification for Vne,
>> >> and Rotax vs Jabiru
>> >> Horsepower.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris
>> >> Boultinghouse"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Leo,
>> >> >
>> >> > I think you'll get some disagreement from the
>> >> dozens of Sonex drivers out
>> >> > there who happily spin their Sensenich and Prince
>> >> props right up to (and
>> >> > sometimes beyond) 3300 rpm! Sure seems to be a
>> >> useful enough rpm range to
>> >> > spank the living daylights (speed-wise) out of any
>> >> Zodiac on the planet.
>> >> > And
>> >> > they don't seem to be having any issues with
>> >> blades leaving their happy
>> >> > hub
>> >> > either!
>> >> >
>> >> > Just a thought. :
>> >> > )
>> >> >
>> >> > -Chris
>> >> >
>> >> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> >> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On
>> >> Behalf Of Leo Corbalis
>> >> >> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:08 AM
>> >> >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> >> >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Specification for
>> >> Vne, and Rotax vs Jabiru
>> >> >> Horsepower.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 3300 rpm is not a very useful speed range for
>> >> available propellers. Most
>> >> >> props are limited to lower rpm. centrifugal force
>> >> increases as
>> >> >> the square of
>> >> >> the rpm causing prop blades to leave their happy
>> >> hub and fly off into the
>> >> >> great beyond. Yes I know about the racers that
>> >> crank 4000 rpm out
>> >> >> of a C-90.
>> >> >> They are engineered to do it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Leo Corbalis
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> browse
>> >> Subscriptions page,
>> >> FAQ,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 on Amphibs |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg <djvdb63@yahoo.com>
Chip Erwin from Czech Aircraft Works or Skyshops.org
might be your best resource for this. He used to
monitro this list. Not sure if he still does.
Dan
--- gordo@xplornet.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> gordo@xplornet.com
>
>
> Hello all, My name is Gord, I am very new to the
> CH601, I just purchased a
> 601 with a 914 on amphibs, and looking forward to
> a lot of fun with it, but
> I have a million questions too. I would like to
> hear from anyone who has
> experience with a 601 on amphibs in the winter. The
> plane did not come with a
> wheel kit. I realize there are only a few on amphibs
> out there, but if anyone
> can give me advice regarding leaving it on the
> amphibs or putting it on wheels
> it would be appreciated. I am in Ontario Canada,
> and currently have the
> plane at Greenbank airport, which is a grass strip,
> I am concerned it may have
> handling problems on the ground in light snow
> conditions... your
> thoughts? .... thanks
>
>
>
> browse
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> FAQ,
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| Subject: | CH701 Flaperon skins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john swanson <jswanson@up.net>
Has any 701 builder had this problem
I cannot center the predrilled rivet holes in the flaperon skin to the
flaperon spar unless
i leave gaps between the skin and the nose ribs.
i have a msp into ZAC and waiting for an answer
701 from kit, wings, tail. partly done
John,
alger county
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, listers
Months ago I posted links to Textron's version of a rivetless nut plate.
http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/aerospace/html/product/rnplate.htm
http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/aerospace/html/new/rnp.htm
Has anybody had experience with it since?
Carlos
(This week we shall rivet the spar!... [Shudder] )
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| Subject: | Matronics Web Server Upgrade Today Tuesday 09/06/05 5pm PDT |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I will be taking the Matronics Web Server down for a few hours today,
Tuesday September 6 2005 for a chassis upgrade. Archive browsing and
searching along with subscription services will be unavailable for
about 2 hours beginning at 5pm PDT. Incoming and outgoing email will
be processed normally during the upgrade. Please check the Matronics
System Status Page for updates (although this page resides on the web
server and won't be available during the upgrade):
http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
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| Subject: | Stratus engine mount crack |
Zenith List <zenith-list@matronics.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I got my engine mount bracket back from Stratus Saturday, just about a week
after I sent the cracked one in. Mykal sent me a new, much improved version.
Great service. I installed the bracket today and now, as soon as I finish my
annual inspection, I can get back in the air.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone buck riveting an XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Franke" <pfranke@tpg.com.au>
Hi Doug,
While I'm not using solid rivets, I am still doing half of what you are
after. I'm using the standard Avex rivets, but i'm dimpling the skins and
pulling the rivets with a standard nose on the gun. We just finished
riveting the rear fuselage on the weekend, and it certainly looks much
cleaner than the domed rivets, even with the stems still visible.
As far as strength goes, just the fact that the skins are dimpled adds
significant strength to the joints, plus the dimple ends up putting a bit of
tension (if not for a better word) on the skins, which reduces the pillowing
between bulkheads and L-angles that some Zodiacs have.
You can see what this looks like in the the following pics:
http://users.tpg.com.au/adsl4749/Zodiac/Fuselage/2005_09_04_001.jpg
http://users.tpg.com.au/adsl4749/Zodiac/Fuselage/2005_09_04_002.jpg
Cheers,
Peter Franke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Naylor" <dugnaylor@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Anyone buck riveting an XL?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Naylor" <dugnaylor@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Is anyone using/used buck-type rivets on their plans or kit built XL? I
> know pull-rivets are 100% easier and faster to install, but I...
>
> (1) prefer the clean looks/ slight better aerodynamic performance of buck
> rivets
> (2) want the slightly better corrosion resistance of buck rivets, as the
> plane will be stored outside in the elements.
> (3) like the somewhat added strength, and lower cost of buck rivets.
> (4) probably have about 6-8 years before I can afford to finish
> plans-building the plane, so the additional time it will take to buck
rivet
> the plane is really not an issue. I also have access to free (borrowed)
> buck riveting tools, so the added cost of these kinds of tools is also not
a
> concern. I should also probably mention the fact that I have my A&P
> licenses, so buck riveting won't be a total foreign concept to me.
>
> My only real concerns are:
>
> (1) Since the XL isn't designed to use buck-type rivets, I'm wondering if
it
> is possible to design removable access panels into the plane to get to
areas
> that can't normally be accessed from the inside during normal pull-rivet
> type construction. And, if the general assembly order of the plane will
> allow disassembly/re-assembly to facilitate the required deburring and
> countersinking operations. --I haven't yet purchased the plans, so right
> now I am mostly in the dark on the design layout of the plane.
>
> (2) I'm also wondering if it is possible to buck the wings. One builder I
> spoke to thought the leading edge area might be especially difficult to
use
> buck rivets on. I'm considering using counter-flush, pull-type rivets on
> the wings if need be. --I realize I'll also have to use pull-type rivets
on
> most, if not all of the control surfaces.
>
> Thank you very much for any advice or suggestions you can provide on this
> subject.
>
> Doug
>
> Doug Naylor
> Arkansas
>
>
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| Subject: | CH701 Pilot Height/Weight Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeff Francis <jfrancis@gmail.com>
I'm giving very serious thought to building a CH701. I've done a
substantial amount of research, but I'm looking for an opinion I
haven't seen commented on anywhere. I'm 6'4" tall and weigh about
230lbs. Will I be comfortable? Will my head and/or knees hit
anything? Is my weight too great to carry a normal load of "stuff"
along with a passenger? I know the limit is 500lbs, and I can
certainly do the math of "500 minus 230 minus <wife's weight>", but
looking for opinions as to how the plane behaves at close to the 500lb
limit. I'd also love to find someone nearby who would let me sit in his
701 for about sixty seconds.
--
-=jeff=-
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl &corvair engine mount |
7.50 BARRACUDA_HEADER_FP56 RBL: Blacklist bl.spamcop
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
On Tue Sep 06 at 9:30 AM, ken smith (lrepilot@yahoo.com) wrote:
I have found conflicting dimensions for the prop flange distance from the
firewall
top longeron engine mount bolt. From looking at WW's 601, the prop is about
30.5 inches along the axis of the aircraft. It is also a taildragger, so the
CG must be aft of the main wheels. Since this is not so for a tri gear it
would
seem that the engine should be mounted further forward, but by how much.
<snip>
Ken,
The CG has to stay in the same location for aerodynamic reasons. The main
gear on the taildragger is located near the leading edge of the wing while
the main gear on the tri is under the seats. The CG does not move and the
engine mount should be the same for both setups. I'd suggest you drop WW an
email to confirm that the mounts are identical.
..neil
601XL/Corvair
Avionics and stuff
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| Subject: | CH701 Pilot Height/Weight Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
I'm quite a bit smaller than you, and my thought would be the 701 would
not be the best choice for someone your size. I sat in the 701 with my
father who is about 6'1" and 230. I'm only 5'8" and the shoulder width
will likely be a problem for you and a passenger. I did, however see
two guys shorter than you but heavier sit in the 601. I and they were
surprised by the comfort and width of the 601. There's also about
100lbs more useful load in the 601. I know it's not the STOL plane
that the 701 is, but it does pretty well. I would NOT purchase a 701
kit without sitting in it first. I'm guessing it will be a little small
for you. I'm also guessing your knees will hit, but that depends more on
your leg vs. torso length. I recall the cabin height being fairly tall.
Allen
Waiting for my 601 kit. (due the end of the month)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Francis
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Pilot Height/Weight Questions
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeff Francis <jfrancis@gmail.com>
I'm giving very serious thought to building a CH701. I've done a
substantial amount of research, but I'm looking for an opinion I
haven't seen commented on anywhere. I'm 6'4" tall and weigh about
230lbs. Will I be comfortable? Will my head and/or knees hit
anything? Is my weight too great to carry a normal load of "stuff"
along with a passenger? I know the limit is 500lbs, and I can
certainly do the math of "500 minus 230 minus <wife's weight>", but
looking for opinions as to how the plane behaves at close to the 500lb
limit. I'd also love to find someone nearby who would let me sit in his
701 for about sixty seconds.
--
-=jeff=-
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| Subject: | CH701 Pilot Height/Weight Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
I know nothing about the 701 but, don't the bubble doors give more shoulder
room? That may be an option. Hmmm . . . If you could . . . offset the seats
a little . . . by stretching the fuselage . . . Never mind.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Ricks
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH701 Pilot Height/Weight Questions
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
I'm quite a bit smaller than you, and my thought would be the 701 would
not be the best choice for someone your size. I sat in the 701 with my
father who is about 6'1" and 230. I'm only 5'8" and the shoulder width
will likely be a problem for you and a passenger. I did, however see
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