---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/10/05: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:35 AM - Re: Work Table Height (William J. Naumuk) 2. 05:59 AM - Jabiru Engine Seminar (Pete Krotje) 3. 06:00 AM - Re: Work Table Height (Robin Bellach) 4. 06:35 AM - Re: Work Table Height (Dave Gardea) 5. 07:34 AM - Re: Work Table Height (kevinbonds) 6. 09:53 AM - Re: Work Table Height (Dave VanLanen) 7. 11:29 AM - Re: Work Table Height (JERICKSON03E@aol.com) 8. 11:40 AM - Re: Work Table Height (Robert Schoenberger) 9. 12:38 PM - Adhesive (Brad Cohen) 10. 01:01 PM - Re: Work Table Height (William J. Naumuk) 11. 02:10 PM - Online project documentation and Web site (Robert Riggen) 12. 04:22 PM - Re: Adhesive (Larry McFarland) 13. 11:09 PM - Re: 912 or 912S in 701 (Gary Gower) 14. 11:53 PM - Re: Prop Balancer (Gary Gower) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:11 AM PST US From: "William J. Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Work Table Height --> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" ----- Original Message ----- From: "N5SL" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Work Table Height Dave- Since my shop is, for the moment, in the basement, my table is modular. I started with a 6' table built in the '60s by my father (Who was an aeronautical engineer for Grumman) and built another of the same height and style with twice as many shelves and drawers. Then I built a removable top that slides over both of the base tables set up end to end. The drawers are almost 3' long, so I can still use them with the top on, and I can get to the storage space underneath. Then, when I move upstairs to the garage, my son and I can disassemble and get everything out without tearing out a wall. The base tables are 30"; height with the top is 35". I'm also 5'-10", and I'm fine with the height. Bill do not archive > > > --------------------------------- > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:43 AM PST US From: "Pete Krotje" Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Seminar --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" Hello All, > > Due to many requests Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC is offering > another Jabiru Engine Installation, Maintenance, and Repair seminar > during the weekend of October 21 - 23 at our facility in Shelbyville > Tennessee. This class will be more in depth than the lst one and will > include hands on work reassembling a Jabiru 3300 engine. Included > will be build up of crankshaft & conrods, closing the case, timing, > and more. For information and registration form visit > www.usjabiru.com > > Pete Krotje > Jabiru USA ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:58 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Work Table Height --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> I'm 5-11 and using 34" tall table which seemed ideal for empenage, wings, and small assemblies, but now that I'm doing the fuse, lower would be much better. If doing it over, I would certainly take the time to make the table height adjustable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith-List: Work Table Height > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" > > > I'm finally done with updating my workshop, and am now ready to build my > work table. Those of you that are well along in your building process, > can > you tell me what you found to be the optimal table height for you? I'm > average height (5' 10"). > > Thanks, > Dave Van Lanen > 601XL - rudder completed, finishing workshop preparation > > Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:10 AM PST US From: Dave Gardea Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Work Table Height --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dave Gardea Dave, Many great responses here already on this topic, but I heartily endorse the plans developed by David Barth as mentioned by Mark. I adapted the plans slightly to add a lower shelf to store stuff. See pic at http://dgardea.mybesthost.com/tools.htm Dave Gardea 601XL tail done, fabricating wing ribs http://dgardea.mybesthost.com On 9/10/05, Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> > > I'm 5-11 and using 34" tall table which seemed ideal for empenage, wings, > and small assemblies, but now that I'm doing the fuse, lower would be much > better. If doing it over, I would certainly take the time to make the > table > height adjustable. do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:03 AM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Work Table Height --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Dave: I just added a Worktable page to my site. The link is at bottom of my homepage. I used David Barth's plans--but heavily modified them. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:18 AM PST US From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Work Table Height --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" Hi Mark, Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. Are you referring to the Construction Manual that came with my plans? I looked in there, on p. 15, but all it states is that the work bench should be "4X12 or length of wing spar, minimum length 8 ft. Surface: =BE" plywood is ideal." Nothing in there about height. Thanks, Dave Van Lanen Do not archive Time: 09:32:59 PM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Work Table Height --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" http://www.ch601.org/tools/Visio-12%20foot%20work%20table.pdf Table height is specified in your builder's manual. I have two 12' in my shop one at waist height......... Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:51 AM PST US From: JERICKSON03E@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Work Table Height --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com Dave, Some of the building will use parallel bars for clearance for the clecos involved. The bars will be about two inches above the work table. Consider that as well. The ceiling height over the table will be a fixed height. Make sure that the table is low enough to allow turning over of the work piece. Wings & such. I used the ladder table design & that allowed the table height to be adjusted by the support base height. Boxes, saw horses, folding legs or what ever is used under the ladder/plywood box beam. My 701 fuselage is in the family room now, sitting on a low work table, old door with metal folding legs that have about 6 inches cut off. So it has clearance under the ceiling fan, and room for a drill when working on the top. Jerry, 701SP ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:34 AM PST US From: "Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Work Table Height --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" Dave . . . I'm 5'-7" and my table is 35" (4'x12'). I found that to be very comfortable for the tail and wings. However for the fuselage, I wish it were about 12" lower. The top of the front part of the rear fuselage assembly is quite tall and necessitates working on a stool to drill and cleco the upper portion. Consider using 2" dia. pipe with threaded ends (available at a good hardwood store) for the legs. The leg (going down) was made up of a round pipe flange which screwed into the wooden structure of the table. Into this flange was screwed a leg section down into a tee section. Then a shorter leg section was screwed into the tee down to the floor where there was a cap. Sounds more complicated than it is. At the tee, I put a cross pipe to the leg on the other side to support a shelf for the parts to be used in the current piece under construction. Very helpful. To change the table height, put shorter pipe sections in the legs. I didn't and wished I had. (I didn't want to go through the table leveling process again which is critical). Also, and this is very important, allow about a 3" overhang on your table top on all sides so that you can clamp braces, blocking, etc. to this top. You'll be sorry if you don't. Good luck! Robert Schoenberger 701 60%. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith-List: Work Table Height > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" > > > I'm finally done with updating my workshop, and am now ready to build my > work table. Those of you that are well along in your building process, > can > you tell me what you found to be the optimal table height for you? I'm > average height (5' 10"). > > Thanks, > Dave Van Lanen > 601XL - rudder completed, finishing workshop preparation > > Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:28 PM PST US From: "Brad Cohen" Subject: Zenith-List: Adhesive --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" Thanks to all on the list who have been patiently answering all my silly questions... but now I have a new one; I am working on the baggage lockers and I want to line them with some sort of carpet, etc on the sides and bottom, especially since the lightening holes have to be covered anyways. My plan was to glue velcro strips to the top and bottom of the wing ribs and then to the carpet panels so I have access for inspections, etc. I was also going to glue the carpet directly to the bottom skin and rear panel since these are permanant (one hopes) I am a little hesitant to cover the main spar with anything. Which adhesive would be best for this? I have some 3M spray adhesive that worked well on a test piece but I am concerned about possible long-term corrosiveness. The label on the can does not help much; it states, basically, that the end user is ultimately responsible to ensure that the product is used in appropriate applications. I guess the big question would be how well does it adhere to Cortec, since everything is coated in the stuff anyways. I could rivet the strips/carpet in place but I am trying to keep from putting too many extra holes in the plane. Has anyone else run into this issue? Brad Cohen 601XL N969BC Do Not Archieve ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:39 PM PST US From: "William J. Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Work Table Height --> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Work Table Height Dave- From reading all the submissions, the common thread is what's comfortable for building the wings, etc. isn't so comfortable for the fuselage. I was more worried about getting everything out of my basement easily- height wasn't a prime consideration. Speaking of the basement, we've all seen what could be the solution- the joist jackpost. You can move it up or down in 2" increments, yet fine tune it with the screw. You could either modify stock posts or stare at one closely and steal the critical concepts. Bill 601HDS > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:23 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Online project documentation and Web site From: "Robert Riggen" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Riggen" Hello all, I wanted to remind listers that there's a great way to log your project for free using a Web site. ExperCraft Simple Log (http://www.expercraft.com) is available free for builders. It allows you to log in, add and edit notes and images. It will keep track of your time spent and expenses. When your project is complete you can print your log to have a hard copy. It also creates and hosts a Web site so you can share your progress with others. There are nearly a dozen Zenith builder using it already. Try it out. Enjoy! Rob -- Rob Riggen building a Vans RV-7 Essex Junction, VT http://websites.expercraft.com/rriggen ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:49 PM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Adhesive --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Brad, I think you'd be better cutting a pattern that sets the carpet in as one piece, with sides, Velcro at the top edges, but no more than that. If you had to, you could add flanges to join the corners and have a shop sew them and put edger on the top near the Velcro. Then it wouldn't go anywhere. Just my two cents, Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachinel.com do not archive Brad Cohen wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" > >Thanks to all on the list who have been patiently answering all my silly >questions... >but now I have a new one; > >I am working on the baggage lockers and I want to line them with some sort >of carpet, etc on the sides and bottom, especially since the lightening >holes have to be covered anyways. My plan was to glue velcro strips to the >top and bottom of the wing ribs and then to the carpet panels so I have >access for inspections, etc. I was also going to glue the carpet directly to >the bottom skin and rear panel since these are permanant (one hopes) I am a >little hesitant to cover the main spar with anything. > >Which adhesive would be best for this? I have some 3M spray adhesive that >worked well on a test piece but I am concerned about possible long-term >corrosiveness. The label on the can does not help much; it states, >basically, that the end user is ultimately responsible to ensure that the >product is used in appropriate applications. I guess the big question would >be how well does it adhere to Cortec, since everything is coated in the >stuff anyways. > >I could rivet the strips/carpet in place but I am trying to keep from >putting too many extra holes in the plane. > >Has anyone else run into this issue? > >Brad Cohen >601XL >N969BC >Do Not Archieve > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:09 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912 or 912S in 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower We chosed the 912S because of altitude here, our grass strip is at 5,029 ft ASL and the nearest airfields are over 6,000 ft... If you are thinking of higher cruise speed, forget it, 701 likes from 83 to 95 mph cruise at 5,000 rpm depending in triming... Saludos Gary Gower. Joe Bowling wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joe Bowling Has anybody experienced different performance numbers than the one's ZAC has listed for the 912 or 912S on the 701? There does not seem to be much difference in the performance numbers they list for the two. Thanks, Joe in NC --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --------------------------------- Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:18 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Prop Balancer --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower We use (for more than 20 years) a piece of cold rol that is made to fit the prop hole, is turned with a lathe to fit, a big nail centered inside, the center is about 3/4 the size of the hub, so the propeller balances on the nail point. On top of the prop we put a circular bubble... We still use it since 20 years in all the clubs wood propeller for balancing at least 2 times a year.... Saludos Gary Gower. JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Dear Thread Friends, I want to check the balance on my Sensenich prop. I have seen the Buzz Master balancer sold from Airwolf. Seems like a really simple machine to build. Only needs to mill a 1 inch center slug and string the bubble from a line level. It can be seen in the Spruce Catalogue on page 173; or on 800-airwolf.com as p/n 2416. Anybody ever see one on these things used ? Anyone got an opinion on it's reliability? Hope everyone is doing well, Best regards, Bill