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1. 04:16 AM - Re: Adhesive (Trell & Amy Hall)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: adhesive (John)
3. 05:42 AM - Re: Adhesive (Edward Moody II)
4. 09:54 AM - [PLEASE READ] Matronics Upgrade Today 9/11/05 Sunday! (Matt Dralle)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trell & Amy Hall" <hallsplace@charter.net>
Brad, I have not built a plane or even can fly a plane ,but I can tell you
that the 3m stuff will not work for the long haul. The best stuff is to use
is vinyl top & trim adhesive. You have to buy a cheap spray gun because it
only comes as a liquid in a can. Most upholstery shops have it in stock just
call around and ask for a quart or so. The glue cost about 60.00 for 5 gal,
so a quart should not cost much. Spray light coats of glue on both sides
then wait about 5min to put together. Make sure that you have it right the
first time as this stuff will not come apart. I have done upholstery jobs 10
years ago and still can not get the carpet off the panels. Hope this helps.
Trell
Fly in any thing any time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Adhesive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
>
> Thanks to all on the list who have been patiently answering all my silly
> questions...
> but now I have a new one;
>
> I am working on the baggage lockers and I want to line them with some sort
> of carpet, etc on the sides and bottom, especially since the lightening
> holes have to be covered anyways. My plan was to glue velcro strips to the
> top and bottom of the wing ribs and then to the carpet panels so I have
> access for inspections, etc. I was also going to glue the carpet directly
to
> the bottom skin and rear panel since these are permanant (one hopes) I am
a
> little hesitant to cover the main spar with anything.
>
> Which adhesive would be best for this? I have some 3M spray adhesive that
> worked well on a test piece but I am concerned about possible long-term
> corrosiveness. The label on the can does not help much; it states,
> basically, that the end user is ultimately responsible to ensure that the
> product is used in appropriate applications. I guess the big question
would
> be how well does it adhere to Cortec, since everything is coated in the
> stuff anyways.
>
> I could rivet the strips/carpet in place but I am trying to keep from
> putting too many extra holes in the plane.
>
> Has anyone else run into this issue?
>
> Brad Cohen
> 601XL
> N969BC
> Do Not Archieve
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
Brad, the 3M would probably be fine, I use a structural adhesive like Liquid Nails
to bond carpet to MDF. LN has a steel and metal framing adhesive that is
approved for use on aluminum. One side has to be porous like carpet -not metal
to metal bonding. Look at Home Despot or Lowes for it and also an indoor-oudoor
carpet that has very light backcoating to reduce weight. They both carry
a line that is very light compared to regular carpet.
John Lifer
Finally finished with Empennage (And the trim tab Works!!!!)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Cut the carpet to fold up into the shape that just fits the wing locker. Use
thin (.016") aluminum to custom bend angle pieces to reinforce the corners.
Use large head fabric rivets to fasten the carpet to the aluminum angles.
Duct tape over the drawn rivet heads to keep them from scratching the inside
of the compartment. Along the top edge, leave enough carpet to fold over a
thicker strip of aluminum (.035") so that when riveted, the top edge is a
roll of carpet with the cut edge hidden next to the compartment walls.
My personal preference would be to have a seamstress sew a zippered cordura
nylon tote bag that fit the dimensions of the locker. The bag could be left
in place inside the wing locker or taken out to haul the contents around
with you.
Ed Moody II
Lurking in Louisiana, but probably not for long.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Adhesive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Brad,
> I think you'd be better cutting a pattern that sets the carpet in as one
> piece, with sides, Velcro at the
> top edges, but no more than that. If you had to, you could add flanges
> to join the corners and have
> a shop sew them and put edger on the top near the Velcro. Then it
> wouldn't go anywhere.
> Just my two cents,
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachinel.com
> do not archive
>
> Brad Cohen wrote:
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
>>
>>Thanks to all on the list who have been patiently answering all my silly
>>questions...
>>but now I have a new one;
>>
>>I am working on the baggage lockers and I want to line them with some sort
>>of carpet, etc on the sides and bottom, especially since the lightening
>>holes have to be covered anyways. My plan was to glue velcro strips to the
>>top and bottom of the wing ribs and then to the carpet panels so I have
>>access for inspections, etc. I was also going to glue the carpet directly
>>to
>>the bottom skin and rear panel since these are permanant (one hopes) I am
>>a
>>little hesitant to cover the main spar with anything.
>>
>>Which adhesive would be best for this? I have some 3M spray adhesive that
>>worked well on a test piece but I am concerned about possible long-term
>>corrosiveness. The label on the can does not help much; it states,
>>basically, that the end user is ultimately responsible to ensure that the
>>product is used in appropriate applications. I guess the big question
>>would
>>be how well does it adhere to Cortec, since everything is coated in the
>>stuff anyways.
>>
>>I could rivet the strips/carpet in place but I am trying to keep from
>>putting too many extra holes in the plane.
>>
>>Has anyone else run into this issue?
>>
>>Brad Cohen
>>601XL
>>N969BC
>>Do Not Archieve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Matronics Upgrade Today 9/11/05 Sunday! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I will be implementing some major upgrades to the Matronics
infrastructure today, Sunday 09/11/2005. During the upgrade, web
services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and the
Subscription Page will not be available. Additionally, incoming and
outgoing List Email will not be processed during this time, although
no actual email should be lost only queued for later delivery.
This is a rather substantial upgrade and includes moving all network,
computer, and UPS equipment to a new systems rack. I hope to have
everything back on line by 8PM PDT tonight or sooner if all goes well.
This is an awesome upgrade that I've been wanting to do for a long
time, and should help increase availability of the Matronics systems
to near 99.99%!
Thank you for your patience!
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