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1. 04:03 AM - compass (alex trent)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: Bird Strike (Larry McFarland)
3. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Bird Strike ()
4. 09:29 AM - anti-collision lights (Richard Vetterli)
5. 10:11 AM - New Builder Near Salt Lake City (TOM VESELY)
6. 10:13 AM - Re: anti-collision lights (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
7. 10:19 AM - Re: anti-collision lights (Paul Mulwitz)
8. 11:55 AM - 701 with 912S vibration problems (Brett Hanley)
9. 01:47 PM - Re: New Builder Near Salt Lake City (Craig Payne)
10. 02:19 PM - Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems (Gary Gower)
11. 02:40 PM - Re: rivet squeezer (William J. Naumuk)
12. 02:58 PM - Re: rivet squeezer (William J. Naumuk)
13. 03:11 PM - Re: anti-collision lights (William J. Naumuk)
14. 04:40 PM - Re: rivet squeezer (Carlos Sa)
15. 06:06 PM - Re: rivet squeezer (William J. Naumuk)
16. 11:36 PM - Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems (Dabusmith@aol.com)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
Any hardware store.
alex t.
Time: 06:45:29 PM PST US From: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: magnetic compass filling --> Zenith-List
message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com> Alex, Very
timely post. Where do I get varsol?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Kelly,
Really pleased to hear you didn't have damage!
We have hundreds of birds in the Rock River valley at Moline airport.
They tend to all lift into the air at once and sweep across a runway
when a plane is taking off or on approach. We have strikes all too
often and I've had close calls. One occurred in August of last year,,
"601EZ was pulled from the hangar and a twin-engine plane sat quietly on
runway 5 while people walked around it. I did a preflight and checked
with the tower. The pilot had reported a multiple bird strike. 3 hit the
nose, 2 hit each wing, 1 hit the windshield, and one went into the
engine. He taxied off to the parking area." It would be really great if
anyone has a solution for these bird hazards.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Do not archive
Kelly Meiste wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kelly Meiste" <kellymeiste@jcwifi.com>
>
>My 601 HD had a head-on with a bird (unknown type) this weekend.
>I was cruising at 90 MPH, and the bird came straight for me. I tried a fast roll
to my right to avoid a canopy hit, and was hit about 3/4th the way out on my
left wing. He hit pretty much "dead" center on my leading edge, and as luck
would have it squarely between the wing ribs so it was at the weakest spot. The
impact sounded like a softball hitting my wing, and my heart sunk as I imagined
my hours of work just caved in by a Kamikaze bird.
>Once on the ground I slowly walked around the wing tip to inspect the damage.
But to my surprise there wasn't any! After a closer look I did find a slight (very
slight) imprint that was never there before.
>As stated many times on this list Chris designs his planes to take a heck of a
beating and this is once again proof.
>After I got home I did an achieve search to see if other bird strikes have ever
been reported on 601's. I really didn't see any but did come across the message
below posted Sept of 98.
>How true!
>
>Kelly Meiste
>601 HD (plane - 1, birds - 0)
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> I learned to fly in a tomahawk and then bought a cessna 150. Put
>just over 225 hours in the year I owned it. Nice aircraft, very
>forgiving and did anything asked of it, but way to small. The tomahawk
>was more fun to fly and visibility was to my liking, but didn't seem to
>do to well with a max load. With this little experience I looked at
>several (maybe hundreds) kits and came out with the 601 as having the
>best traits of both. A friend of mine had a bird strike the other day on
>his tomahawk and when I saw the inside of the wing, lets just say the
>601 is much tougher and I have rented my last tomahawk.
>Chuck
>Victoria,TX
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Shut the airport down one afternoon each week for skeet practice.... just don't
use the clay targets.
Ed Moody II
>
> From: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
> Date: 2005/09/13 Tue AM 09:58:20 EDT
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bird Strike
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Kelly,
> Really pleased to hear you didn't have damage!
> We have hundreds of birds in the Rock River valley at Moline airport.
> They tend to all lift into the air at once and sweep across a runway
> when a plane is taking off or on approach. We have strikes all too
> often and I've had close calls. One occurred in August of last year,,
> "601EZ was pulled from the hangar and a twin-engine plane sat quietly on
> runway 5 while people walked around it. I did a preflight and checked
> with the tower. The pilot had reported a multiple bird strike. 3 hit the
> nose, 2 hit each wing, 1 hit the windshield, and one went into the
> engine. He taxied off to the parking area." It would be really great if
> anyone has a solution for these bird hazards.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> Do not archive
>
> Kelly Meiste wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kelly Meiste" <kellymeiste@jcwifi.com>
> >
> >My 601 HD had a head-on with a bird (unknown type) this weekend.
> >I was cruising at 90 MPH, and the bird came straight for me. I tried a fast
roll to my right to avoid a canopy hit, and was hit about 3/4th the way out on
my left wing. He hit pretty much "dead" center on my leading edge, and as luck
would have it squarely between the wing ribs so it was at the weakest spot.
The impact sounded like a softball hitting my wing, and my heart sunk as I imagined
my hours of work just caved in by a Kamikaze bird.
> >Once on the ground I slowly walked around the wing tip to inspect the damage.
But to my surprise there wasn't any! After a closer look I did find a slight
(very slight) imprint that was never there before.
> >As stated many times on this list Chris designs his planes to take a heck of
a beating and this is once again proof.
> >After I got home I did an achieve search to see if other bird strikes have ever
been reported on 601's. I really didn't see any but did come across the message
below posted Sept of 98.
> >How true!
> >
> >Kelly Meiste
> >601 HD (plane - 1, birds - 0)
> >
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > I learned to fly in a tomahawk and then bought a cessna 150. Put
> >just over 225 hours in the year I owned it. Nice aircraft, very
> >forgiving and did anything asked of it, but way to small. The tomahawk
> >was more fun to fly and visibility was to my liking, but didn't seem to
> >do to well with a max load. With this little experience I looked at
> >several (maybe hundreds) kits and came out with the 601 as having the
> >best traits of both. A friend of mine had a bird strike the other day on
> >his tomahawk and when I saw the inside of the wing, lets just say the
> >601 is much tougher and I have rented my last tomahawk.
> >Chuck
> >Victoria,TX
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | anti-collision lights |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
For VFR-day only, are ANY lights required? Some folks
are telling me that I need a red beacon on the tail,
other say I need nothing. Can't find anything in the
archives.
Thanks,
Rich Vetterli
N56DV (reserved)
WW Corvair Powered
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| Subject: | New Builder Near Salt Lake City |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TOM VESELY" <tomvesely@msn.com>
I am a new builder near Salt Lake City, and I'm looking for any other builders
that are relatively close who may be willing to offer input/suggestions to me.
Tom
435-513-4866
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| Subject: | Re: anti-collision lights |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
According to this link, the answer is no.
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/faq/Anti%20Collision%20Lights.html
In any case, a red beacon on the tail does not meet the requirement for anti-collision
lighting for newly registered aircraft in the U. S. unless it is a high-intensity
strobe with 400 effective candela. See:
http://www.whelen.com/aviation/catalog/Anit-Collision%20Systems.pdf
Here is a link to the FAA rule:
http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/FARS/part_91-205.html
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
>
> For VFR-day only, are ANY lights required? Some folks
> are telling me that I need a red beacon on the tail,
> other say I need nothing. Can't find anything in the
> archives.
> Thanks,
> Rich Vetterli
> N56DV (reserved)
> WW Corvair Powered
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| Subject: | Re: anti-collision lights |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
>For VFR-day only, are ANY lights required? Some folks
>are telling me that I need a red beacon on the tail,
>other say I need nothing. Can't find anything in the
>archives.
I don't think there are any regulations requiring lights for use in daytime.
It is common practice to use as much lights as you can find when
operating in high traffic density airports. Something like a red
flashing beacon might be helpful in that situation. Landing lights
are quite common in that situation, but they take an awful lot of power.
The red flashing beacon is customary for night operations on the
ground to warn all around that there is a spinning prop to beware
of. It can't hurt to do this in the daytime too.
The bottom line, in my opinion, is a red flashing beacon would be
nice but you can get away with no lights at all if you are sure no
operations at night will be done.
(I am putting minimal night lighting, position lights and strobes, on
my plane to cover the possibility that I will find myself operating
at night even though I am not supposed to do that.)
Paul
XL waiting for wing kit
do not archive
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| Subject: | 701 with 912S vibration problems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com>
There is a Chec factory built 701 in our club. It is
a beautifully built aircraft. Sporting a full panel
and a Rotax 912S 100 hp. I have flown as a passenger
in this aircraft many times. Truly a great light
aircraft. More than enough power and for the most
part its pretty smooth.
I was out at the hanger over the weekend. There was
an aluminum airframe specialist there making an
inspection of this aircraft. What he found was a
little disturbing. The forward stabilizer mounts had
begun to stress crack. The small triangle brace on
the center elevator hinge had begun to crack as well.
The technician seemed to think the damage was caused
torsional vibration from the 912S on start up. This
aircraft does shake the tail section rather violently
as the engine starts. As soon as the engine achieves
idle speed or better the vibration goes away. At this
time the aircraft has about five hundred hours.
If you have the same combination on your airframe I
would urge you to inspect these parts on your
pre-flight. This is a good example of the importance
of good inspection on our experimental aircraft. The
repair bill will be small only because it was
discovered early.
Brett Hanley
CH 701 plans built
San Jose, Costa Rica
(506)771-7078
(506)371-4064
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| Subject: | Re: New Builder Near Salt Lake City |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
I'm in Park City but I'm not sure I would call myself a builder. I bought my XL
80% complete (almost all sheet metal). What's left for me is the instruments
and firewall-forward (Corvair conversion).
There are a number of XL builders in the local EAA chapter.
-- Craig
TOM VESELY <tomvesely@msn.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TOM VESELY"
I am a new builder near Salt Lake City, and I'm looking for any other builders
that are relatively close who may be willing to offer input/suggestions to me.
Tom
435-513-4866
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| Subject: | Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Brett,
If that 701 has 500 hrs, probably the engine is a model after the Slip Clutch
system, One of the reason of this clutch is to minimize this shaken from the
reduction and engine in lower than idle speeds.
There are a few other AD's that Rotax has ordered in the 912 series of engines...
Will be a good advise that the owner will contac a Rotax Representative or the
Rotax online registre with his engine serial number, to see what mods aply...
Please let me know if he needs more info... (note, I am no Rotax Represantative,
just a Rotax engine owner).
Just an idea, hope it helps.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley
There is a Chec factory built 701 in our club. It is
a beautifully built aircraft. Sporting a full panel
and a Rotax 912S 100 hp. I have flown as a passenger
in this aircraft many times. Truly a great light
aircraft. More than enough power and for the most
part its pretty smooth.
I was out at the hanger over the weekend. There was
an aluminum airframe specialist there making an
inspection of this aircraft. What he found was a
little disturbing. The forward stabilizer mounts had
begun to stress crack. The small triangle brace on
the center elevator hinge had begun to crack as well.
The technician seemed to think the damage was caused
torsional vibration from the 912S on start up. This
aircraft does shake the tail section rather violently
as the engine starts. As soon as the engine achieves
idle speed or better the vibration goes away. At this
time the aircraft has about five hundred hours.
If you have the same combination on your airframe I
would urge you to inspect these parts on your
pre-flight. This is a good example of the importance
of good inspection on our experimental aircraft. The
repair bill will be small only because it was
discovered early.
Brett Hanley
CH 701 plans built
San Jose, Costa Rica
(506)771-7078
(506)371-4064
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: rivet squeezer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: rivet squeezer
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk"
<billn@velocity.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlos Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: rivet squeezer
>
>I forgot again!
do not archive
>
> >
> >
> > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rivet squeezer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: rivet squeezer
Dave+Carlos-
Either way will outlast the holes in the handles themselves, unless
they're bushed. It's hard to tell from the picture- I would imagine the
original is a pin with grooves in both sides to accept circlips, to keep
free movement of the handles. Don't forget- you won't be able to tighten the
nut so that it will stay on, unless you get one of the type with plastic
locking threads
Problem is, your AN bolts and special nuts aren't going to be as cheap
as you think, once you figure in the shipping. Unfortunately, they don't
make hardware stores like they used to. If it weren't for AS+S and Wicks,
we'd all be up a creek.
Case in point- the big spring on my Zenith hand rivet gun broke. I
looked in 3 counties for 2 weeks with no luck- had to order a close
replacement through work from McMaster Carr. $2.95 part came to $11.00 with
shipping. Still, better than paying for a new rivet gun.
Bill
do not archive
(I remembered this time!)
>
>
> Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: anti-collision lights |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Vetterli" <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: anti-collision lights
Rich-
When's the last time you saw lights on a Cub or Champ?
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: rivet squeezer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
In case you are curious, this is the weapon of the crime:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/c.sa/squeezer.jpg
and this is the victim:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/c.sa/pivot.jpg
Carlos
do not archive
--- "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net> wrote:
>
> Dave+Carlos-
> Either way will outlast the holes in the handles themselves, unless
> they're bushed. It's hard to tell from the picture- I would imagine the
> original is a pin with grooves in both sides to accept circlips, to keep
> free movement of the handles. Don't forget- you won't be able to tighten the
> nut so that it will stay on, unless you get one of the type with plastic
> locking threads
> Problem is, your AN bolts and special nuts aren't going to be as cheap
> as you think, once you figure in the shipping. Unfortunately, they don't
> make hardware stores like they used to. If it weren't for AS+S and Wicks,
> we'd all be up a creek.
> Case in point- the big spring on my Zenith hand rivet gun broke. I
> looked in 3 counties for 2 weeks with no luck- had to order a close
> replacement through work from McMaster Carr. $2.95 part came to $11.00 with
> shipping. Still, better than paying for a new rivet gun.
> Bill
> do not archive
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: rivet squeezer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
Carlos-
Yeah, it was set with circlips. I hope it wasn't you that warped the
handles that way. If you did, that tool doesn't look like it would squeeze a
marshmallow, let alone an AD6.
Live and learn.
Bill
do not archive
>
>
> Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
>If that 701 has 500 hrs, probably the engine is a model after the Slip
Clutch system
I had the same problem with my 701/912s. I have the slipper clutch. I had to
replace 7H2-6 both LH and RH. After de-skinning the top skin of the
Horizontal stab, I also found a crack inside the stab. The cracked brackets were
found during preflight. I installed a gusset plate (.040 2024-T3) from the attach
bracket to the top fuselage stringer. This will share the load,add
redundancy, and hopefully won't happen again. I will send pics to those that request
them.
Phil Lockwood suggested I send the 912s gearbox in for new clutch disc
springs. He said the springs weaken after 300 hours or so and this results in
harsh start up and shut down. I also installed the new high torque starter. He
said expensive sprague clutch problems can result if the original lower torque
starter is combined with worn clutch springs over time.
The gearbox is simple to remove and Lockwood turned it around in a day. The
price was less than $100.
I am preparing to replace my 22001-13 Barry mounts as well. They have them
at Wicks. I don't know if they are worn, but they are cheap enough to replace.
Regards
Dave Smith
N701XL 498hr
>Do not archive<
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