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1. 06:18 AM - Re: New Builder Near Salt Lake City (n801bh@netzero.com)
2. 07:00 AM - Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems (Gary Gower)
3. 07:05 AM - Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems (szewc@direcway.com)
4. 03:12 PM - Re: anti-collision lights (P.H. Raker)
5. 03:37 PM - Re: magnetic compass filling (Clyde D. Ehlers)
6. 03:40 PM - Zodiac 601 XL builders in Louisiana? (Edward Moody II)
7. 04:02 PM - Re: anti-collision lights (Paul Mulwitz)
8. 05:03 PM - New Yahoo Group for Zenith CH801 Interests ()
9. 06:24 PM - Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems (NYTerminat@aol.com)
10. 06:26 PM - Re: anti-collision lights (Craig Payne)
11. 07:11 PM - wing lockers (Brad Cohen)
12. 07:24 PM - Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems (Dabusmith@aol.com)
13. 07:24 PM - Re: New Builder Near Salt Lake City (Paul Hartl)
14. 07:45 PM - Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems (NYTerminat@aol.com)
15. 07:57 PM - Re: wing lockers (Allen Ricks)
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| Subject: | Re: New Builder Near Salt Lake City |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
I am a new builder near Salt Lake City, and I'm looking for any other builders
that are relatively close who may be willing to offer input/suggestions to me.
Tom
435-513-4866
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I am a 801 builder and currently a test pilot in said monster... I am up here in
Jackson Hole Wy
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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
I am a new builder near Salt Lake City, and I'm looking for any other builders
that are relatively close who may be willing to offer input/suggestions to me.
Tom
435-513-4866
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I am a 801 builder and currently a test pilot in said monster... I am up here in
Jackson Hole Wy
do not archive
BenHaas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Dave,
Sure, I will appreciate the photos of the repair, Thanks a lot.
Saludos
Gary Gower
ggower_99@yahoo.com
Dabusmith@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
>If that 701 has 500 hrs, probably the engine is a model after the Slip
Clutch system
I had the same problem with my 701/912s. I have the slipper clutch. I had to
replace 7H2-6 both LH and RH. After de-skinning the top skin of the
Horizontal stab, I also found a crack inside the stab. The cracked brackets were
found during preflight. I installed a gusset plate (.040 2024-T3) from the attach
bracket to the top fuselage stringer. This will share the load,add
redundancy, and hopefully won't happen again. I will send pics to those that request
them.
Phil Lockwood suggested I send the 912s gearbox in for new clutch disc
springs. He said the springs weaken after 300 hours or so and this results in
harsh start up and shut down. I also installed the new high torque starter. He
said expensive sprague clutch problems can result if the original lower torque
starter is combined with worn clutch springs over time.
The gearbox is simple to remove and Lockwood turned it around in a day. The
price was less than $100.
I am preparing to replace my 22001-13 Barry mounts as well. They have them
at Wicks. I don't know if they are worn, but they are cheap enough to replace.
Regards
Dave Smith
N701XL 498hr
>Do not archive<
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| Subject: | Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: szewc@direcway.com
This worries me a bit!!! I have the 912S on a 701 with 128 hours on it. I checked
those brackets carefully before I flew last night and there is no sign of cracking
or fatigue. Is there something that I could do now to reduce the possibility
of a fatigue crack there? I would like to see pictures of where the cracks
actually occurred also.
My engine starts quick with not too much vibration, but once a carburetor poppped
off during start and about shook my teeth out. (they are now supported with
a bracket so that won't happen again)
Ken Szewc
N701SZ @ 3S8
----- Original Message -----
From: Dabusmith@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 with 912S vibration problems
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
>
> >If that 701 has 500 hrs, probably the engine is a model after
> the Slip
> Clutch system
>
> I had the same problem with my 701/912s. I have the slipper
> clutch. I had to
> replace 7H2-6 both LH and RH. After de-skinning the top skin of
> the
> Horizontal stab, I also found a crack inside the stab. The cracked
> brackets were
> found during preflight. I installed a gusset plate (.040 2024-T3)
> from the attach
> bracket to the top fuselage stringer. This will share the
> load,add
> redundancy, and hopefully won't happen again. I will send pics to
> those that request
> them.
>
> Phil Lockwood suggested I send the 912s gearbox in for new clutch
> disc
> springs. He said the springs weaken after 300 hours or so and this
> results in
> harsh start up and shut down. I also installed the new high torque
> starter. He
> said expensive sprague clutch problems can result if the original
> lower torque
> starter is combined with worn clutch springs over time.
>
> The gearbox is simple to remove and Lockwood turned it around in a
> day. The
> price was less than $100.
>
> I am preparing to replace my 22001-13 Barry mounts as well. They
> have them
> at Wicks. I don't know if they are worn, but they are cheap enough
> to replace.
>
> Regards
> Dave Smith
> N701XL 498hr
>
>
> >Do not archive<
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: anti-collision lights |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "P.H. Raker" <n556p@yahoo.com>
Bill,
When's the last time you saw a Cub or Champ that was manufactured
after 4/11/96? There seems to be a new set of rules for planes built
after that date. Check out the article on IFR flight for experimentals
in the Sept05 issue of EAA Sport Aviation, especially the chart on p68
(item 11). The article is primarily about IFR but the chart also
covers equipment requirements for VFR.
Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed
(trying to design an electrical system)
> From: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: anti-collision lights
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Vetterli" <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: anti-collision lights
>
> Rich-
> When's the last time you saw lights on a Cub or Champ?
> Bill
>
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: magnetic compass filling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde D. Ehlers" <clydes-shop@bizdialup.com>
HI: File
the filing of Compuse is to totely smerg in compas flued and set in a vacum
chamber and vacuat the air until no bubels apear and then return to
atmosfear and plug with out juguling ,that is the way we did it the
Intreument shop. fore 41 Yr.
clyde #25 CH 200/300
----- Original Message -----
From: "alex trent" <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: magnetic compass filling
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
>
> Just went through an interesting procedure attempting to fill my
> compass. I noticed a very decided lack of fluid in my mag compass so
> removed same with thoughts of remedying same. removed the back to see if
> there may be a leak. Found the "rubber diaphram in a very advanced state
> of decay. So off to A/S and an order for a new one. Around $10 plus
> shipping etc. It duly arrived and I set out to refill the compass. From
> past times I recalled that the fluid used was varsol .All went well
> until I replaced the plug and found a large air bubble and no amount of
> jiggling and fussing would improve the situation. Off to my trusty pc
> and a query on the web for info on filling same. Found a fair bit of
> info and one in particular that caimed I should have the compass and the
> fluid cold. The theory being that when things warmed up the bubble would
> shrink. Sounded reasonable so into the freezer with both and give a
> couple of hours for things to cool down. Removed very cold items from
> freezer and refilled compass once more. Much to my dissapointment it
> was actually worse than before. Got to thinking (about time) that if
> every thing was cold, ie:shrunk, that all would expand when returning
> to normal temps and this would result in very litte difference from just
> filling at room temp. That being the casse how about we freeze the fluid
> or at least get it very cold and wam the compass. So now the compass
> case would be expanded and the fluid would be shrunk. Wonder of wonders
> worked like a charm. I still have a very small bubble but only a problem
> If I decide to get the nose pointed straight for the ground in which
> case it would be the least of my problems
> alex t.
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601 XL builders in Louisiana? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Hi all,
My name is Ed Moody II and I have been lurking on the Zenith discussion site
trying to see where the warts and wrinkles are in the 601 XL. So far it seems
that it is a kit with the same problems as pretty much every kitplane.
I am planning a trip to the factory to fly the demo soon but would really like
to know if there are other builders or flyers in Louisiana, preferably near
the Lafayette area. If someone near here could tolerate an interested listener,
I'd like to hear what he has to say.
Thanks,
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
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| Subject: | Re: anti-collision lights |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Believe it or not, some of us don't get Sport Aviation.
Perhaps you could give a summary of the VFR light requirements . . .
Paul
XL waiting for wing kit
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At 03:11 PM 9/14/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "P.H. Raker" <n556p@yahoo.com>
>
>Bill,
> When's the last time you saw a Cub or Champ that was manufactured
>after 4/11/96? There seems to be a new set of rules for planes built
>after that date. Check out the article on IFR flight for experimentals
>in the Sept05 issue of EAA Sport Aviation, especially the chart on p68
>(item 11). The article is primarily about IFR but the chart also
>covers equipment requirements for VFR.
> Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed
> (trying to design an electrical system)
>
>
> > From: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: anti-collision lights
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Vetterli" <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: anti-collision lights
> >
> > Rich-
> > When's the last time you saw lights on a Cub or Champ?
> > Bill
> >
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | New Yahoo Group for Zenith CH801 Interests |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <nospam@mrwebman.com>
Hello Everyone,
I just wanted to let you know that we have started a new Yahoo Group for the
STOL CH801.
The 801BUILDERS group is a place for anyone who is building, owns, flies,
loves, or even just has an interest in the Zenith CH 801! You can share
information, tips, ideas, helpful hints, frustrations, pictures, links, and
other resources about the Zenith CH801.
You can check it out at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/801BUILDERS/
This Group is not affiliated with Zenith Inc. nor is the contents of this
Group, approved by Zenith Inc. It is also not intended to replace the main
Zenith Matronics mailing list, http://www.matronics.com/z-list/index.htm.
Due to spam, this Group is restricted, meaning that membership needs to be
approved. This cuts down on bogus members and messages. Please don't let
that stop you from joining though!
And, be sure to visit our sister Group, 701BUILDERS, for information on the
two place CH701.
Moderated by:
Dennis
aka Mr. Webman
and
Mark Townsend
aka cdngoose
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| Subject: | Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Dave,
I would appreciate photos also
Bob Spudis
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: anti-collision lights |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
For what it is worth William Wynne's 601XL looks like it doesn't have a light on
it:
http://www.flycorvair.com/601.html
-- Craig
Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
Believe it or not, some of us don't get Sport Aviation.
Perhaps you could give a summary of the VFR light requirements . . .
Paul
XL waiting for wing kit
do not archive
At 03:11 PM 9/14/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "P.H. Raker"
>
>Bill,
> When's the last time you saw a Cub or Champ that was manufactured
>after 4/11/96? There seems to be a new set of rules for planes built
>after that date. Check out the article on IFR flight for experimentals
>in the Sept05 issue of EAA Sport Aviation, especially the chart on p68
>(item 11). The article is primarily about IFR but the chart also
>covers equipment requirements for VFR.
> Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed
> (trying to design an electrical system)
>
>
> > From: "William J. Naumuk"
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: anti-collision lights
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Vetterli"
> > Subject: Zenith-List: anti-collision lights
> >
> > Rich-
> > When's the last time you saw lights on a Cub or Champ?
> > Bill
> >
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
I decided to have a marine upholstery shop (I do live in Florida you know) fabricate
carpet inserts to install in the wing lockers instead of gluing the carpet
panels to the wing structure.
I provided them with the pattern and outdoor carpeting (Home Depot, of course)
to fabricate liners which should slip in pretty easliy. An interesting question
did arise however that I wanted to pass along to the list;
Has anyone had an issue with compliance to FAR 25.853 [a], [b] (fire protection)?
Has anyone who is up and flying with the wing locker option, who lined said
compartments with carpet, run into any certification problems with the FAA?
I did order a bottle of "Inspecta-Shield" Fire Retardant Penetrant from Aircraft
Spruce with the intention of applying this the the carpet to meet said requirements.
(part # 09-05760, $14.15/Qt)
I was just curious to see if this issue has been addressed previously.
Brad Cohen
6-5803
Do Not Archieve
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| Subject: | Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
Bob
Here are the pics of the mod I did. I used one gauge thicker for the angle
brackets 7H2-6. I also added an .016 angle to the back of the stab spar
attached to the inboard ribs. I received approval from ZAC for this. The gusset
I
added I didn't ask for approval on. I did however send them pictures of the
complete repair.
All the best
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: New Builder Near Salt Lake City |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
Hi Tom,
I don't know if Sun Valley (actually Hailey) qualifies
as "nearby", but I have just finished a 601 HDS and
am in the test flight phase - 5.2 hours so far. I
started in 1998, and finished last month. I'm pretty
busy during the school year ( I teach Physics at a
small private school in Sun Valley), but you're
welcome to come up this way anytime if you want to
see a finished 601 up close. Also, a friend who lives
in Ketchum, Win Ellis, just finished his 701 this
summer, and is also in the test flight phase.
This Matronics list itself is the single most helpful
source of info I found during my building time, as
many on it are quite experienced and accomplished
builders, so, in general, I would ask questions of the
group. I'd be glad to answer anything I can, but I'm
just one builder, and not particularly expert at
anything, so I may not your best source - but email,
phone or stop by, I'm also happy to throw in my 2
cents worth!
Paul--
Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A
Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website:
www.members.cox.net/paulhartl
Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147
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| Subject: | Re: 701 with 912S vibration problems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
DAVE
THERE WERE NOT ANY PICTURES ATTACHED, COULD YOU PLEASE E-MAIL THEM DIRECTLY
TO ME?
THANKS
BOB SPUDIS
NYTERMINAT@AOL.COM
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Hey Brad,
What did these cost, and will they make more?
My kit is coming with the lockers too.
I was trying to decide how to line them. I think your solution sounds
pretty slick
Allen
6-3150
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brad Cohen
Subject: Zenith-List: wing lockers
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
I decided to have a marine upholstery shop (I do live in Florida you know)
fabricate carpet inserts to install in the wing lockers instead of gluing
the carpet panels to the wing structure.
I provided them with the pattern and outdoor carpeting (Home Depot, of
course) to fabricate liners which should slip in pretty easliy. An
interesting question did arise however that I wanted to pass along to the
list;
Has anyone had an issue with compliance to FAR 25.853 [a], [b] (fire
protection)? Has anyone who is up and flying with the wing locker option,
who lined said compartments with carpet, run into any certification problems
with the FAA?
I did order a bottle of "Inspecta-Shield" Fire Retardant Penetrant from
Aircraft Spruce with the intention of applying this the the carpet to meet
said requirements. (part # 09-05760, $14.15/Qt)
I was just curious to see if this issue has been addressed previously.
Brad Cohen
6-5803
Do Not Archieve
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