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1. 04:10 AM - Re:Anti Collision Lights (Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta)
2. 04:32 AM - Fw: The year's best (actual) headlines of 2004 (Richard Cottingham)
3. 07:25 AM - Re: wing lockers (Larry McFarland)
4. 09:03 AM - FAA 51% rule? (Don Mountain)
5. 09:59 AM - Re: FAA 51% rule? ()
6. 09:59 AM - Re: FAA 51% rule? (crvsecretary@aol.com)
7. 10:37 AM - Re: FAA 51% rule? (Allen Ricks)
8. 11:00 AM - In-ear lightweight headset (Larry McFarland)
9. 11:10 AM - Trimming Wingtips (Don Mountain)
10. 11:12 AM - Re: FAA 51% rule? (B Johnson)
11. 11:16 AM - Re: FAA 51% rule? (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
12. 11:35 AM - Re: FAA 51% rule? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
13. 11:37 AM - Re: Trimming Wingtips (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
14. 12:51 PM - Re: FAA 51% rule? (Allen Ricks)
15. 12:57 PM - Re: FAA 51% rule? (Allen Ricks)
16. 03:27 PM - Re: anti-collision lights (William J. Naumuk)
17. 03:45 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/14/05 (Craig)
18. 03:52 PM - Re: FAA 51% rule? (William J. Naumuk)
19. 04:16 PM - Re: Trimming Wingtips, (Gary Gower)
20. 04:53 PM - New Zenair Zodiac 601XL SLSA - Ready for Delivery in 1 month (Jim Pellien)
21. 05:16 PM - Re: FAA 51% rule? (John Adamson)
22. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/14/05 (Bryan Martin)
23. 07:43 PM - Hello from NH (Michael Valentine)
24. 08:45 PM - Re: list of 601XL builders in TX. (Danny Offill)
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| Subject: | re:Anti Collision Lights |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta" <Stephen.Adams@HCAhealthcare.com>
Anti-collision lighting is not required for day VFR flight in an experimental.
Whether you should have them or not is a different matter. The following is from
the EAA.......
"Am I required to have anti-collision lights on my homebuilt?
No, if you are only going to using your aircraft for day, VFR flight. FAR 91.205
lists the instrument and equipment requirements for standard category aircraft.
This FAR does not apply to Experimental-Amateur Built aircraft.
If you intend to use your aircraft for either night VFR or IFR flight, you will
have to comply with the requirements of FAR 91.205 because the operating limitations
you receive as a part of your airworthiness certificate will include the
following language:
"After completion of phase I flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for
night and/or instrument flight in accordance with =A7 91.205, this aircraft is
to be operated under VFR, day only." "
Steve Adams
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| Subject: | Fw: The year's best (actual) headlines of 2004 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Cottingham" <mrd@wn.com.au>
Not aircraft related but
Thought list might like a chuckle
>>>>> Something Went Wrong
> > > > in Jet Crash, Expert Says
> > > > [no, really]?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Police Begin Campaign
> > > > to Run Down Jaywalkers
> > > >
> > > > [now that's taking things a bit far]!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Panda Mating Fails;
> > > > Veterinarian Takes Over
> > > > [what a guy]!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Miners Refuse to Work
> > > > after Death
> > > > [no-good-for-nothin' lazy so-and-sos]!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Juvenile Court to
> > > > Try Shooting Defendant
> > > > [see if that works any better than a fair trial]!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > War Dims Hope for Peace
> > > > [I can see where it might have that effect!]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If Strike Isn't Settled Quickly,
> > > > It May Last Awhile
> > > > [you think]?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cold Wave Linked
> > > > to Temperatures
> > > > [who would have thunk it]!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Enfield (London) Couple
> > > > Slain; Police Suspect Homicide
> > > > [they may be on to something]!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Red Tape Holds Up New Bridges
> > > > [you mean there's something stronger than duct tape]?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Man Struck By Lightning
> > > > Faces Battery Charge
> > > > [he probably IS the battery charge]!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > New Study of Obesity Looks for Larger Test Group
> > > > [weren't they fat enough]?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Astronaut Takes Blame for Gas in Spacecraft
> > > > [That's what he gets for eating those beans!]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kids Make Nutritious Snacks
> > > > [Taste like chicken?]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Local High School
> > > > Dropouts Cut in Half
> > > > [Chainsaw Massacre all over again!]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hospitals are Sued by 7 Foot Doctors
> > > > [Boy, are they tall!]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And the winner is....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Typhoon Rips Through Cemetery; Hundreds Dead
> > > >
> > > > Did I read that sign right?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In an office:
> > > > TOILET OUT OF ORDER......
> > > > PLEASE USE FLOOR BELOW
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a Laundromat:
> > > > AUTOMATIC WASHING MACHINES: PLEASE REMOVE ALL YOUR CLOTHES WHEN
> > > > THE LIGHT GOES OUT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a London department store:
> > > > BARGAIN BASEMENT UPSTAIRS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In an office:
> > > > WOULD THE PERSON WHO TOOK THE STEP LADDER YESTERDAY PLEASE BRING
> > >
> > > > IT BACK OR FURTHER STEPS WILL BE TAKEN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In an office:
> > > > AFTER TEA BREAK STAFF SHOULD EMPTY THE TEAPOT AND STAND UPSIDE
> > > > DOWN ON THE DRAINING BOARD
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Outside a secondhand shop:
> > > > WE EXCHANGE ANYTHING - BICYCLES, WASHING MACHINES, ETC. WHY NOT
> > > > BRING YOUR WIFE ALONG AND GET A WONDERFUL BARGAIN?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Notice in health food shop window:
> > > > CLOSED DUE TO ILLNESS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Spotted in a safari park:
> > > > ELEPHANTS PLEASE STAY IN YOUR CAR
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Seen during a conference:
> > > > FOR ANYONE WHO HAS CHILDREN AND DOESN'T KNOW IT, THERE IS A DAY
> > > > CARE ON THE 1ST FLOOR
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Notice in a farmer's field:
> > > > THE FARMER ALLOWS WALKERS TO CROSS THE FIELD FOR FREE, BUT THE
> > > > BULL CHARGES.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On a repair shop door:
> > > > WE CAN REPAIR ANYTHING. (PLEASE KNOCK HARD ON THE DOOR - THE
> > > > BELL DOESN'T WORK)
> > > >
> > > > We all need a good laugh, keep on smiling
Regards
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| Subject: | Re: wing lockers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Brad,
You only need to consider flame proof materials when you place them in
the engine compartment.
For experimentals, your DAR or FAA inspector should not have any
difficulty with an add-in insert
for your baggage area, your upholstery or sound proofing. Though, I'd
consider flame proofing important
for any material in contact with your side of the firewall to be sure.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS - www.macsmachine.com
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Brad Cohen wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
>
>I decided to have a marine upholstery shop (I do live in Florida you know) fabricate
carpet inserts to install in the wing lockers instead of gluing the carpet
panels to the wing structure.
>I provided them with the pattern and outdoor carpeting (Home Depot, of course)
to fabricate liners which should slip in pretty easliy. An interesting question
did arise however that I wanted to pass along to the list;
>
>Has anyone had an issue with compliance to FAR 25.853 [a], [b] (fire protection)?
Has anyone who is up and flying with the wing locker option, who lined said
compartments with carpet, run into any certification problems with the FAA?
>
>I did order a bottle of "Inspecta-Shield" Fire Retardant Penetrant from Aircraft
Spruce with the intention of applying this the the carpet to meet said requirements.
(part # 09-05760, $14.15/Qt)
>
>I was just curious to see if this issue has been addressed previously.
>
>Brad Cohen
>6-5803
>Do Not Archieve
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I read in the EAA magazine about the FAA looking into
the 51% rule problem. I often wondered how they
figure out what percentage of a plane is constructed
by the builder and what percentage is not? A lot of
people are paying others to paint, build the panel,
install the firewall forward engine package, fabricate
all the parts in a kit and etc. Does anybody know how
I can figure out if I am close or not in building a
601 XL from a factory kit? A lot of the kit has
factory fabricated parts in it. And of course if I
bought a Jabuaru engine I won't assemble it either?
Don
601 XL, tail done, working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: FAA 51% rule? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
I believe that you are covered by the fact that Zenith Aircraft has obtained certification
from the FAA that the 601 XL meets the 51% requirement. In other words,
the FAA has on file a record that when the kit leaves the factory, it is
only 49% or less complete.
Now you, on the other hand, have to keep written and photographic records and a
log of your time which is adequately detailed, accurate, and thorough enough
to convince the FAA inspector(s) or the DAR that you did indeed do at least 51%
of the construction of your plane. They already know that at least 51% of the
work was left to be done by someone after the kit left the factory. You have
to prove that the someone in question was you.
Otherwise, the plane can still be certified airworthy but you will not be certified
as the repairman and a ceretified repairman will have to sign off on any
significant work you do on the plane as well as the annual condition exam.
Moral: Keep good records all the way through the build.
Ed Moody II
>
> From: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2005/09/15 Thu PM 12:01:58 EDT
> To: Zenith <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: FAA 51% rule?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
> I read in the EAA magazine about the FAA looking into
> the 51% rule problem. I often wondered how they
> figure out what percentage of a plane is constructed
> by the builder and what percentage is not? A lot of
> people are paying others to paint, build the panel,
> install the firewall forward engine package, fabricate
> all the parts in a kit and etc. Does anybody know how
> I can figure out if I am close or not in building a
> 601 XL from a factory kit? A lot of the kit has
> factory fabricated parts in it. And of course if I
> bought a Jabuaru engine I won't assemble it either?
>
> Don
> 601 XL, tail done, working on wings
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAA 51% rule? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: crvsecretary@aol.com
I cannot give you an exact number as a percentage, but you mention firewall-forward,
avionics, & paint which I believe are specifically excluded from the 51%
rule along with upholstery. So, once those are out of the picture, what have
you got left?? With little exception (like the wing spars) you got a pile of
aluminum bent up with a few skins pre-punched with holes. You are purchasing
an aluminum procurement & bending service, which, for my particular circumstance,
suits me just fine !!!!
Tracy Smith
N458XL (reserved)
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: FAA 51% rule?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I read in the EAA magazine about the FAA looking into
the 51% rule problem. I often wondered how they
figure out what percentage of a plane is constructed
by the builder and what percentage is not? A lot of
people are paying others to paint, build the panel,
install the firewall forward engine package, fabricate
all the parts in a kit and etc. Does anybody know how
I can figure out if I am close or not in building a
601 XL from a factory kit? A lot of the kit has
factory fabricated parts in it. And of course if I
bought a Jabuaru engine I won't assemble it either?
Don
601 XL, tail done, working on wings
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
If you purchased the regular kit, you are fine.
The quick build kit has been approved by the FAA under the 51% rule.
I purchased the drilling services too. 9500 less holes to measure and
drill.
Some of them have been riveted too.
Still qualifies as 51%.
Check out the pictures of the quick build on Zenith's site.
Allen
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
crvsecretary@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FAA 51% rule?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: crvsecretary@aol.com
I cannot give you an exact number as a percentage, but you mention
firewall-forward, avionics, & paint which I believe are specifically
excluded from the 51% rule along with upholstery. So, once those are out of
the picture, what have you got left?? With little exception (like the wing
spars) you got a pile of aluminum bent up with a few skins pre-punched with
holes. You are purchasing an aluminum procurement & bending service, which,
for my particular circumstance, suits me just fine !!!!
Tracy Smith
N458XL (reserved)
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: FAA 51% rule?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I read in the EAA magazine about the FAA looking into
the 51% rule problem. I often wondered how they
figure out what percentage of a plane is constructed
by the builder and what percentage is not? A lot of
people are paying others to paint, build the panel,
install the firewall forward engine package, fabricate
all the parts in a kit and etc. Does anybody know how
I can figure out if I am close or not in building a
601 XL from a factory kit? A lot of the kit has
factory fabricated parts in it. And of course if I
bought a Jabuaru engine I won't assemble it either?
Don
601 XL, tail done, working on wings
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| Subject: | In-ear lightweight headset |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi guys,
Yesterday I ordered a Clarity Aloft headset from Aircraft Spruce. Their
price is
$55. less than the $550. most charge. I bought these essentially for my
wife and infrequent co-pilot
because she gets headaches from heavy earphone-pressure on top as well
as being crushed
by the earpieces on my headsets. Hopefully this will resolve the issues
and I will report back when
Lee and I have had a chance to try them out.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Trimming Wingtips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I am in the process of trimming and installing the
wingtip ends on my 601 XL. After being real careful
about laying out the coordinates of the wing tips from
the charts on plan sheet 6W9, and trimming and filing
the edges with a smooth curve, I see that they don't
match real well with the spar attachment angle where
the fiberglass tip and end sheet meet. The sheetmetal
skins seem to be long by 5 to about 15 mm. Should I
just work the curving surface to where it matches to
the spar support angle and did others have this same
problem? Lucky its too long of metal rather than too
short.
Don
601 XL, tail done, working on wings
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" <bjohnson@satx.rr.com>
Something else to note: you only have to do 51% of the "TASKS" required to
build the plane.. So if you build one rib, you've built them all.....
-Bruce
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Mountain
Subject: Zenith-List: FAA 51% rule?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I read in the EAA magazine about the FAA looking into
the 51% rule problem. I often wondered how they
figure out what percentage of a plane is constructed
by the builder and what percentage is not? A lot of
people are paying others to paint, build the panel,
install the firewall forward engine package, fabricate
all the parts in a kit and etc. Does anybody know how
I can figure out if I am close or not in building a
601 XL from a factory kit? A lot of the kit has
factory fabricated parts in it. And of course if I
bought a Jabuaru engine I won't assemble it either?
Don
601 XL, tail done, working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: FAA 51% rule? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
If the airplane is registered as an Experimental amateur built aircraft, the owner
can perform any and all required maintenance as well as any desired modifications
to the aircraft without the need for the repairman certificate. The only
thing the repairman certificate is needed for is to perform and sign off the
annual condition inspection. Without the repairman certificate, the owner will
have to hire an FAA certificated aircraft mechanic to perform this inspection.
You also don't need to build 51% of the airplane yourself to obtain the repairman
certificate, you just have to show that you were the "principal builder". There
have been cases of airplanes being built as a group project in a high school
shop class or an EAA chapter. In these cases, no one person did 51% of the
construction but the repairman certificate was still issued. Only one person
is issued a repairman certificate for each airplane. In the case of the high school
project, the shop instructor recieved the certificate because he supervised
and directed the process. In the case of the EAA chapter that built 14 Neuport
replicas (the "Noon Patrol" group), the registered owner of each airframe
recieved the certificate for that airframe. You will have to show to the inspector
that you were actively involved in the building process and are familiar
with the airplane and its systems. Take lots of photos, keep a good builder log
and get involved in a local EAA chapter and use th
eir technical counselor program.
Interior and exterior finish and avionics and powerplant installations can be farmed
out to professionals without jeopardizing your "principal builder" status.
The FAA is mainly concerned with the airframe construction.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
>
> Otherwise, the plane can still be certified airworthy but you will not be
> certified as the repairman and a ceretified repairman will have to sign off on
> any significant work you do on the plane as well as the annual condition exam.
>
> Moral: Keep good records all the way through the build.
>
> Ed Moody II
> >
> > From: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
> > Date: 2005/09/15 Thu PM 12:01:58 EDT
> > To: Zenith <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: FAA 51% rule?
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I read in the EAA magazine about the FAA looking into
> > the 51% rule problem.
> >
> > Don
> > 601 XL, tail done, working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: FAA 51% rule? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Allen, is it really 9500 holes drilled ?
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| Subject: | Re: Trimming Wingtips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
I believe the coordinates in the plans are approximate. They are left a little
long to allow for possible inaccuracies of individual builders. I cut my wingtip
skins long and gradually trimmed them back to the correct length while checking
the fiberglass parts for fit. If you look at the wing from directly in front
of the leading edge and sight across the wing tip it should look like it was
cut off at a 45 degree angle by a flat plane perpendicular to the spar and
this cut should line up with the angle of the spar tip. I used a large sheet of
stiff cardboard as a guide while trimming, but the best guide for the final
shape is your eyeball view of the wing by sighting across the tip from the front.
Any irregularities in the shape will be obvious from this view point. Use
a large flat file instead of tinsnips to trim off the last couple of millimeters,
you are less likely to over trim it this way.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
> I am in the process of trimming and installing the
> wingtip ends on my 601 XL. After being real careful
> about laying out the coordinates of the wing tips from
> the charts on plan sheet 6W9, and trimming and filing
> the edges with a smooth curve, I see that they don't
> match real well with the spar attachment angle where
> the fiberglass tip and end sheet meet. The sheetmetal
> skins seem to be long by 5 to about 15 mm.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
I was told that almost all the holes have been measured and drilled.
Michael
Heintz said that was something around 9500.
Michael Heintz also told me that even he was surprised by the level of
completion
of the quick build kit. This was after he had my money, so he did not need
to build my expectations.
Most of the holes that have not been drilled are in the rudder kit, which is
the same for all the 601 kits. This is part of the 51% rule, as most of the
building
skills needed in the full kit are in the rudder kit.
If you look at the quick build pictures on the web site, many of the parts
are fully
assembled, then taken apart for shipping. The fusalage comes mostly put
together.
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/xl-qbk.html
Cleco, rivet, and go!
Note that some of the parts appear to have corrosion protection too.
I should recieve the kit in about 3 weeks. I get the first one off the
truck to the West coast.
I went to the Arlington airshow, and said "I sure wish you guys had a quick
build". Michael Heintz
said "well, here's the release flyer. The official announcement is in a
couple of days". I took
a ride with Nicholas, and bought the kit. It didn't hurt to have my dad
there egging me on.
I took my test ride in strong winds and very bumpy conditions, and was
impressed.
I just got my rudder kit. Now if my Clecos and rivet fan would get here....
Allen
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Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FAA 51% rule?
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Allen, is it really 9500 holes drilled ?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
These were two pictures that impressed me.
the quick build kit as you take it out of the box. Ask a regular builder
if this looks like it might save some time :)
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/construction/qbk-assy5.jpg
My seats. The leather for the console and sides is not in this picture, but
it is included in my kit.
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/construction/qbk-assy6.jpg
Allen
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Allen, is it really 9500 holes drilled ?
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| Subject: | Re: anti-collision lights |
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From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: anti-collision lights
Guys-
I've been an EAA member since the '80s. As such, I was all ready to do
what should have been done in the first place, contact EAA Technical
Services for a definitive answer, and saw Steve beat me to it.
Phil, I haven't seen a Cub or Champ built since '96, but we have a
number of homebuilts in my area built after '96 that have no electrical
systems. One is owned by a pilot for FedEx, and the other by a pilot for US
Air. I (Foolishly, it seems) put two and two together and figured that if
these guys didn't know the current regs, no one would.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/14/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig <n601xs@comcast.net>
The only thing I can find in the FARs is the requirement for anti-collision lights
for night flight. It is required to use anti-collision lights if available
unless the PIC determines it to be hazardous (fog, haze, etc)even during the
day. The article just had an X by 'anti-collision light' under the day VFR catagory
with no explanation.
Craig
N601XS, 601xl 0-235 lyc, 90% done 90% to go.
Time: 06:26:30 PM PST US
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: anti-collision lights
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
For what it is worth William Wynne's 601XL looks like it doesn't have a light on
it:
http://www.flycorvair.com/601.html
-- Craig
Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
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Believe it or not, some of us don't get Sport Aviation.
Perhaps you could give a summary of the VFR light requirements . . .
Paul
XL waiting for wing kit
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| Subject: | Re: FAA 51% rule? |
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From: "Don Mountain" <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: FAA 51% rule?
>Don-
By the time you've finished the wings, you'll feel like you built 125%
of an airplane.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Trimming Wingtips, |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hi Don,
In all the "fit" parts, I cut them initially a little larger when possible, then
trim carefully until good enough (or perfect) fit is gotten.
In all this details is where the "X" hrs that the building litrature say it takes
to build, gets multiplied by a "perfection" factor each of us (builders)
set in our project.
As one (fast) builder from our Club mentioned once; when we were commenting about
the long work of a member that is rebuilding a 194X? beautiful Porterfield:
"You want to fly or build forever?"
Saludos
Gary Gower
Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com> wrote:
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I am in the process of trimming and installing the
wingtip ends on my 601 XL. After being real careful
about laying out the coordinates of the wing tips from
the charts on plan sheet 6W9, and trimming and filing
the edges with a smooth curve, I see that they don't
match real well with the spar attachment angle where
the fiberglass tip and end sheet meet. The sheetmetal
skins seem to be long by 5 to about 15 mm. Should I
just work the curving surface to where it matches to
the spar support angle and did others have this same
problem? Lucky its too long of metal rather than too
short.
Don
601 XL, tail done, working on wings
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| Subject: | New Zenair Zodiac 601XL SLSA - Ready for Delivery in 1 month |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
All,
Just wanted to let everybody know that we have a Rotax 912S equipped Zenair
601XL SLSA available and ready for shipment from our manufacturer in the
Czech Republic.
This aircraft is now available due to a recent cancellation and can be
delivered in approximately 1 month after you put in the order. It is priced
at $87,000 complete and delivered to you at South Lakeland Airport in
Florida. For details, go to www.sportsplanes.com and click on the left on
"Ready for Delivery".
Jim Pellien
703-313-4818
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.maspl.com
www.sportsplanes.com
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| Subject: | Re: FAA 51% rule? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Adamson <j-adamson@tamu.edu>
B Johnson wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" <bjohnson@satx.rr.com>
>
>Something else to note: you only have to do 51% of the "TASKS" required to
>build the plane.. So if you build one rib, you've built them all.....
>
>-Bruce
>
There was something on this in a recent Kitplanes. The gist of it, if
memory serves, was that it's sufficient if you do one "operation" in the
series of repetitive operations. Using Bruce's rib example - or maybe
stating it another way - if you build one rib (operation), you've met
the requirement even if someone else builds the rest of 'em. In fact, I
believe that's the rationale behind "Quick Build" kits qualifying under
the 51% rule.
~John
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/14/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
FAR 91.205 applies to Standard category aircraft and the operating
limitations for your experimental amateur built aircraft will require you to
comply with this rule for night and IFR flight.
Sec. 91.205 - Powered civil aircraft with standard category U.S.
airworthiness certificates: Instrument and equipment requirements.
(a) General. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of this
section, no person may operate a powered civil aircraft with a standard
category U.S. airworthiness certificate in any operation described in
paragraphs (b) through (f) of this section unless that aircraft contains the
instruments and equipment specified in those paragraphs (or FAA-approved
equivalents) for that type of operation, and those instruments and items of
equipment are in operable condition.
(b) Visual-flight rules (day). For VFR flight during the day, the following
instruments and equipment are required:
(1) ...
(11) For small civil airplanes certificated after March 11, 1996, in
accordance with part 23 of this chapter, an approved aviation red or
aviation white anticollision light system. In the event of failure of any
light of the anticollision light system, operation of the aircraft may
continue to a location where repairs or replacement can be made.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
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on 9/15/05 6:43 PM, Craig at n601xs@comcast.net wrote:
>
> The only thing I can find in the FARs is the requirement for anti-collision
> lights for night flight. It is required to use anti-collision lights if
> available unless the PIC determines it to be hazardous (fog, haze, etc)even
> during the day. The article just had an X by 'anti-collision light' under the
> day VFR catagory with no explanation.
>
> Craig
> N601XS, 601xl 0-235 lyc, 90% done 90% to go.
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1.76 SUB_HELLO Subject starts with "Hello"
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
Hello everyone,
My name is Michael Valentine. I live in Contoocook, New Hampshire and
hope to be a 601XL kit builder shortly. At this point, I want to use
a Corvair conversion. I am visiting the factory 9/26 for a test ride
and general visit, and I hope to place an order then. (I am still
completing Phase 1 of home-building an aircraft, but I think she is
almost convinced!)
I have contacted a couple fellow NH builders from the factory list,
including one who is going to take the factory course the same week I
am visiting and may be able to bring back a kit piece or two in his
van if the factory can pull something together for me. It will be
great to have another builder nearby getting started at the same time
and a couple people mostly done to get insight from.
One thing I would love to do eventually is put it on floats. I have
seen the pics of some people doing it - anyone on the list done it?
Anyway, I have a couple questions that I thought I might try to get
answered before I have a box in my garage.
1) Is it significantly more economical to buy tools from an aircraft
supply co. such as www.aircraft-tool.com or should I just get them
from the factory?
2) Does anyone have a supply of basic tools they want to sell? (Does
anyone really need/want a few hundred clecos sitting in their garage
after they are done!?)
3) Could someone fill me in on the use of zinc chromate. What is it
for? How is it applied? Does it need a booth like paint or just a
mask? Are there any alternative products?
Anyway, thanks for the time. I'm sure that I will have many questions
along the way and my questions will probably evolve with my
skills/progress. I have enjoyed lurking for the past few weeks, but
hopefully I will get to know some of you on this adventure.
Cheers, Michael
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| Subject: | RE: list of 601XL builders in TX. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Danny Offill" <doffill@cableone.net>
Michael, I am seriously considering building a 601XL as well and was
wondering where did you find the factory list of builders. I would like to
find builders in the Dallas, Tx area.
Regards,
Danny
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Subject: Zenith-List: Hello from NH 1.76 SUB_HELLO Subject starts with
"Hello"
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
Hello everyone,
My name is Michael Valentine. I live in Contoocook, New Hampshire and
hope to be a 601XL kit builder shortly. At this point, I want to use
a Corvair conversion. I am visiting the factory 9/26 for a test ride
and general visit, and I hope to place an order then. (I am still
completing Phase 1 of home-building an aircraft, but I think she is
almost convinced!)
I have contacted a couple fellow NH builders from the factory list,
including one who is going to take the factory course the same week I
am visiting and may be able to bring back a kit piece or two in his
van if the factory can pull something together for me. It will be
great to have another builder nearby getting started at the same time
and a couple people mostly done to get insight from.
One thing I would love to do eventually is put it on floats. I have
seen the pics of some people doing it - anyone on the list done it?
Anyway, I have a couple questions that I thought I might try to get
answered before I have a box in my garage.
1) Is it significantly more economical to buy tools from an aircraft
supply co. such as www.aircraft-tool.com or should I just get them
from the factory?
2) Does anyone have a supply of basic tools they want to sell? (Does
anyone really need/want a few hundred clecos sitting in their garage
after they are done!?)
3) Could someone fill me in on the use of zinc chromate. What is it
for? How is it applied? Does it need a booth like paint or just a
mask? Are there any alternative products?
Anyway, thanks for the time. I'm sure that I will have many questions
along the way and my questions will probably evolve with my
skills/progress. I have enjoyed lurking for the past few weeks, but
hopefully I will get to know some of you on this adventure.
Cheers, Michael
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