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1. 04:46 AM - 2 piece canopy , 601 (Rick Tedford)
2. 06:30 AM - Re: 701 Firewall Fwd. Skyshop or Zenith ?? (RURUNY@aol.com)
3. 07:05 AM - Re: 2 piece canopy , 601 (N5SL)
4. 08:05 AM - Re: 2 piece canopy , 601 (Edward Moody II)
5. 09:16 AM - Firewall Forward from Skyshops (Mark Sherman)
6. 11:42 AM - Re: Firewall Forward from Skyshops (Allen Ricks)
7. 11:59 AM - safty of flight (john butterfield)
8. 12:36 PM - looking for partners for a flying CH601HD (pilotpond)
9. 01:42 PM - Re: Firewall Forward from Skyshops (William J. Naumuk)
10. 03:08 PM - Jabiru carby enonomy kit results (Paul Hartl)
11. 03:23 PM - Re: safty of flight (Gary Gower)
12. 05:14 PM - Re: Jabiru carby enonomy kit results (Paul Mulwitz)
13. 06:05 PM - Rudder Attach brackets (Matt & Jo)
14. 10:34 PM - N601LG First Flight! (Lance Gingell)
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| Subject: | 2 piece canopy , 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Tedford" <rick.tedford@sympatico.ca>
Hello Listers : Has anybody seen or know of a 2 pce. canopy design for the 601
. Obviously the slider type would not work , however , perhaps a semi slider would
. I am thinking that a rail at the back , plus a pivoting arm at the front
may work .( 1 on either side of the moving portion of the canopy ) The sliding
rail could be the same as found on the RV-9 and the pivoting arms should be
long enough to allow the canopy to go back far enough for easy entry . This would
allow for roll over protection by the inclusion of a frame similar to the
RV. Possibly there are other concepts that would work
Cheers
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Firewall Fwd. Skyshop or Zenith ?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
I have the Zenith firewall fwd kit and everything in it has worked out well
and fit fine.
I looked closely at the Skyshops kit and it looks like you get a lot more
for your buck even though it is more expensive. It has a modified airbox that
will work with a 701, a nicer looking better quality cowl with naca scoops on
the side for air intake into the airbox. Zenith is using K&N filter right on
the carb. Looking at the pics on their site, you even get a standard throttle
setup for the pilots side. Even the way the oil tank for the 912 mounts
makes more sense and gives you more room for a better cabin heat installation.
The Zenith engine mount and associated parts and muffler were of very good
quality, I'm sure skyshops is the same. Skyshops has lots of pics that you can
zoom in on to look at what you're getting, Zenith does not give you anything to
look at, so what you get from them now, could be different than what I
received 3 years ago. I ordered a 912s firewall fwd kit from Zenith and received
a
Warpdrive prop. Is the extra $522 is worth it ? IMHO yes.
Brian
Long Island
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| Subject: | Re: 2 piece canopy , 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Rick:
I have been planning this same idea for some time now. When I get my engine installed and running I plan to incorporate a combination forward tilt / sliding canopy. Stay tuned to www.cooknwithgas.com for details.
Scott Laughlin
601XL / Corvair
Wiring panel and working on engine.
Rick Tedford <rick.tedford@sympatico.ca> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Tedford"
Hello Listers : Has anybody seen or know of a 2 pce. canopy design for the 601
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| Subject: | Re: 2 piece canopy , 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Could you build in a rollover protection bar immediately behind and above
the passengers' heads that the canopy would rest on when closed? It should
only be a weight issue since it would be very near the CG. If strong enough
to work as a roll bar, it would also be a convenient site to anchor the
harnesses and provide a handhold for entry and exit.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Tedford" <rick.tedford@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: 2 piece canopy , 601
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Tedford"
> <rick.tedford@sympatico.ca>
>
> Hello Listers : Has anybody seen or know of a 2 pce. canopy design for the
> 601 . Obviously the slider type would not work , however , perhaps a semi
> slider would . I am thinking that a rail at the back , plus a pivoting arm
> at the front may work .( 1 on either side of the moving portion of the
> canopy ) The sliding rail could be the same as found on the RV-9 and the
> pivoting arms should be long enough to allow the canopy to go back far
> enough for easy entry . This would allow for roll over protection by the
> inclusion of a frame similar to the RV. Possibly there are other concepts
> that would work
>
> Cheers
> Rick
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Firewall Forward from Skyshops |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
The Zenith 701 firewall kit is $3928 and Skyshops is
$4450. Any
opinions on which
kit is better? I'm about ready to order and would like
to hear all
advice about
which one I should purchase.
Thanks
Larry Bohannon
Winder, Georgia
Larry.
I purchased the FWF kit from Skyshops. They saved me
more than the difference in price form Zenith with a
discount on the engine when purchased at the same
time.
Zenith does not support (at least at the time I
purchased the kit) the 912S to get the 100 hp. Zenith
has you putting K&N filters right on the carbs and
doing away with the supplied Rotax air box. The Rotax
air box has connections for carb heat and cold air
intake, which helps you get the 100 hp. Using the hot
air from inside the cowling reduces the horse power.
Almost the same as running with the carb heat on. We
all know what that does for power!
The Skyshops cowling is more streamlined with less
drag, which they say gives you about another 10 mph,
we'll see about that. It also has a NACA duct for the
cold air intake which force feeds the intake system.
After working in the aerospace industry and seeing the
way things should be done, I am disappointed in
Zeniths willingness to upgrade manufacturing and kit
quality in the older designs, the 701 in particular.
They had the opportunity when the upgraded to the SP
to CNC cut and punch all parts and holes to make this
a kit that could truly be built in 400 hours and only
ad about a thousand dollars to the kit price. I would
have gladly paid that extra. I am at about 1200 hours
and still need to paint and assemble.
Mark Sherman
95% done
Hooking up engine hoses and wires then paint.
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| Subject: | Firewall Forward from Skyshops |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Mark,
I have to agree on the CNC punching. If Van decides to
put out an LSA aircraft, they will put the 601 out of the
picture over night. Van CNC's all new kits now, and Zenith
would not stand a chance. Weird that they decided to do the
601 QB kit by hand, rather than investing in new CNC stuff
for their whole line.
That being said, the staff of Van's sounded like they really
weren't sure if they wanted to do an LSA, but they said that
about the 4 place RV-10 also.
Allen
.....
After working in the aerospace industry and seeing the
way things should be done, I am disappointed in
Zeniths willingness to upgrade manufacturing and kit
quality in the older designs, the 701 in particular.
They had the opportunity when the upgraded to the SP
to CNC cut and punch all parts and holes to make this
a kit that could truly be built in 400 hours and only
ad about a thousand dollars to the kit price. I would
have gladly paid that extra. I am at about 1200 hours
and still need to paint and assemble.
Mark Sherman
95% done
Hooking up engine hoses and wires then paint.
__________________________________
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
Hi guys,
I have just about finished my wings and starting on
the fuse. I have followed this list for about a year
now and am pleased with all of its contents. One
thing i have noticed is the lack of discussion
regarding angle of attack instruments.
I know most of you that were trained in the military
are aware of the value of the AOA, but it seems that
this one instrument is so important for safe flight, i
though i would get on a soapbox and voice my opinion.
If i had a choice between my airspeed indicator or my
AOA failing, i would certainly choose the AOA as my
primary speed indicator. After a few hours in our
machines, we know about what the speed will be at any
given power setting. When in the slow speed mode, the
a/s indicator is fairly unreliable. the AOA is never
wrong, (assuming is is set up correctly) it will
always indicate the best speed for any weigth and
atmospheric conditions. Actually, ater you get used
to it, landing become very precise and at the proper
speed.
When i flew (USMC)in military aircraft, we usually
added 10kts for the wife and 10 for each kid. Of
coarse this is a joke, but landing at the proper speed
is safer and much easier on the aircraft. Short field
landings, are the norm (if desired).
I only feel confident in giving advise to this group
regarding the AOA. I am humbled by the knowledge you
have regarding building and flying the Zenith
products, I would put the AOA as the best insurance
for safe flying. It works all the time and should be
your primary stall waring devise in all aspects of
flight.
To those who have not used an AOA, take the time to
try one out. To those who have, your opinions should
be voiced.
Kinda feel the same about auto pilots, but that's
another soapbox.
best regards to the group.
john butterfield
601XL/corvair
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| Subject: | looking for partners for a flying CH601HD |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "pilotpond" <pilotpond@rogers.com>
Good Day all
Im looking for two partners to justify purchasing a flying
CH601HD (advanced ultralight registration) with Rotax 912ul 1100TTSN. Base
to be in reasonable distance from Cambridge. I need $12K each to make it
happen. The aircraft was 85% factory built. Please email me direct for
details.
Darren Pond
Cambridge Ontario Canada
pilotpond@rogers.com
Live to Play and Play to Live
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Forward from Skyshops |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
If Dick V. had a kit put together with blind rivets, I wouldn't be here.
Bill
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| Subject: | Jabiru carby enonomy kit results |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
Hi List,
I finally took to the air with carby economy kit
installed in my Jab 3300A-powered HDS with the
following results:
cruise @120 mph TAS @ 2750 RPM: 5.5 gph
cruise @110 mph TAS @ 2550 RPM: 3.8 gph
wide open: about 127 mph TAS, ~3000 RPM, ~7 gph
all @ 7000' msl, and about 5 C (40 F) OAT
full power climb: somewhere around 7-8 gph,
yielding between 1200 to 1500 fpm from 6000'
to 7000 msl' (solo, and about 10 gals fuel)
So that last 17 mph almost doubles the fuel
consumption! - Which is pretty much what Jabiru
says in their literature.
These numbers are not as precise as I would like
them, as I find it difficult to keep track of airspeed,
RPM, altitude, track, and fuel consumption - all while
looking out for traffic. But I think they're within 10%
of correct - probably.
All in all, I'm very happy with these results, as it has
cut my cruise gph by about 50% - from about 6.5 to 4
gph.
For Jab owners wondering if they need this kit, you
will make up your $85 investment very quickly at
$3.30 a gallon, and it is a pretty easy kit to install - if
they remember to send you the directions!
Paul--
Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A
Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website:
www.members.cox.net/paulhartl
Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147
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| Subject: | Re: safty of flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I am very happy with the LRI (Lift Reserve Indicator) in my 701, Not dificult
to install and yes, is worth it. Just settle your aproach with the LRI, always
in the same point to land.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
Hi guys,
I have just about finished my wings and starting on
the fuse. I have followed this list for about a year
now and am pleased with all of its contents. One
thing i have noticed is the lack of discussion
regarding angle of attack instruments.
I know most of you that were trained in the military
are aware of the value of the AOA, but it seems that
this one instrument is so important for safe flight, i
though i would get on a soapbox and voice my opinion.
If i had a choice between my airspeed indicator or my
AOA failing, i would certainly choose the AOA as my
primary speed indicator. After a few hours in our
machines, we know about what the speed will be at any
given power setting. When in the slow speed mode, the
a/s indicator is fairly unreliable. the AOA is never
wrong, (assuming is is set up correctly) it will
always indicate the best speed for any weigth and
atmospheric conditions. Actually, ater you get used
to it, landing become very precise and at the proper
speed.
When i flew (USMC)in military aircraft, we usually
added 10kts for the wife and 10 for each kid. Of
coarse this is a joke, but landing at the proper speed
is safer and much easier on the aircraft. Short field
landings, are the norm (if desired).
I only feel confident in giving advise to this group
regarding the AOA. I am humbled by the knowledge you
have regarding building and flying the Zenith
products, I would put the AOA as the best insurance
for safe flying. It works all the time and should be
your primary stall waring devise in all aspects of
flight.
To those who have not used an AOA, take the time to
try one out. To those who have, your opinions should
be voiced.
Kinda feel the same about auto pilots, but that's
another soapbox.
best regards to the group.
john butterfield
601XL/corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru carby enonomy kit results |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the great info.
One more piece of data would make my day -- can you tell me the prop
diameter and pitch or setting you used for these tests?
Thanks again,
Paul
XL wings
At 03:05 PM 9/18/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
>
>Hi List,
>
> I finally took to the air with carby economy kit
>installed in my Jab 3300A-powered HDS with the
>following results:
>
>cruise @120 mph TAS @ 2750 RPM: 5.5 gph
>cruise @110 mph TAS @ 2550 RPM: 3.8 gph
>wide open: about 127 mph TAS, ~3000 RPM, ~7 gph
>all @ 7000' msl, and about 5 C (40 F) OAT
>
>full power climb: somewhere around 7-8 gph,
>yielding between 1200 to 1500 fpm from 6000'
>to 7000 msl' (solo, and about 10 gals fuel)
>
>So that last 17 mph almost doubles the fuel
>consumption! - Which is pretty much what Jabiru
>says in their literature.
>
>These numbers are not as precise as I would like
>them, as I find it difficult to keep track of airspeed,
>RPM, altitude, track, and fuel consumption - all while
>looking out for traffic. But I think they're within 10%
>of correct - probably.
>
>All in all, I'm very happy with these results, as it has
>cut my cruise gph by about 50% - from about 6.5 to 4
>gph.
>
>For Jab owners wondering if they need this kit, you
>will make up your $85 investment very quickly at
>$3.30 a gallon, and it is a pretty easy kit to install - if
>they remember to send you the directions!
>
>Paul--
>Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A
>Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website:
>www.members.cox.net/paulhartl
>Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Rudder Attach brackets |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
Hello all, Finished up the wings and have started the fuselage.
Has anyone had problems with the upper rudder hinge 6B2-7. I have yet to drill,
but when laying it out I noticed that there is no way to maintain a 2 d edge
distance with a 1/4 hole and maintain the 11 mm spacing. I noticed that the
latest revision to the drawings have increased the thickness of this part from
1/8 to 3/16. I have emailed ZAC and am waiting for their reply. I am not sure
if I just got a bad part or what.
Has anyone put the access door in the bottom of the fuse. Is it needed?
Cheers
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
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| Subject: | N601LG First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Yesterday, I took my newly completed Zodiac 601 XL, N601LG for its
maiden flight. What a thrill that was! Now its time for more flying, not
building (although I do need to paint it!).
I've posted pictures at http://lancegingell.com/firstflight.asp ...more
updates will follow on this page over the coming days.
Cheers,
..lance (still grinning!)
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