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1. 04:44 AM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (Al Young)
2. 05:33 AM - CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance (Darin McLEAN)
3. 05:57 AM - Re: Rudder Attach brackets (Larry McFarland)
4. 06:04 AM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (Larry McFarland)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (n801bh@netzero.com)
6. 06:24 AM - Re: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance (Don Mountain)
7. 06:36 AM - Re: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance (Larry McFarland)
8. 07:08 AM - Source for inspection plates (doug kandle)
9. 07:44 AM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (Dave Gardea)
10. 07:54 AM - Inspection plates (Zed Smith)
11. 07:59 AM - Re: Source for inspection plates (N5SL)
12. 08:57 AM - Re: AOA for Safety of Flight (EMAproducts@aol.com)
13. 09:11 AM - Re: Source for inspection plates (ROBERT SCEPPA)
14. 09:48 AM - Close Call (john H)
15. 10:06 AM - Re: Close Call (Steve Hulland)
16. 10:18 AM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
17. 11:33 AM - Re: Close Call (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
18. 11:35 AM - Re: 701 Firewall . Skyshop or Zenith ?? (Larry Bohannon)
19. 11:39 AM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (N5SL)
20. 12:08 PM - Re: 701 Firewall . Skyshop or Zenith ?? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
21. 12:14 PM - Re: Close Call (Gary Gower)
22. 02:41 PM - Check list. (Johann G.)
23. 03:28 PM - Re: checklist (fred sanford)
24. 03:28 PM - Re: Check list. (szewc@direcway.com)
25. 03:31 PM - Re: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance (William J. Naumuk)
26. 05:08 PM - Re: Money and Toys. Do not archive!!!! (Gary Gower)
27. 05:13 PM - Re: Rudder Attach brackets (Matt & Jo)
28. 05:31 PM - Re: Check list. (Gary Gower)
29. 05:43 PM - Re: Check list. (Chuck Deiterich)
30. 06:26 PM - Re: 701 Firewall . Skyshop or Zenith ?? (Larry)
31. 07:20 PM - Re: Close Call (john H)
32. 08:21 PM - Fly In Saturday (Trell & Amy Hall)
33. 09:53 PM - Re: Money and Toys. Do not archive!!!! (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
34. 10:10 PM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (royt.or@netzero.com)
35. 10:50 PM - Re: Close Call... Gift of Wings. (Gary Gower)
36. 11:31 PM - Re: 2 piece canopy , 601 (Bob Tezyk)
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| Subject: | Re: N601LG First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Lance- Congratulations!! I know the thrill. Hope you have a uneventful
test period. If you have time after a few flights, I'd be interested in
approach power settings, engine, and any other stats you might care to
share.
Regards,
Al Young
XL- Re-building
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| Subject: | CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Darin McLEAN" <darin@dm-electronics.com.au>
Hi everyone,
I'm just starting the rudder for a CH601HDS.
I will be using a Jabiru 2200 85hp engine.
Does anyone have any performance specifications for this setup and if so
please let us know.
Building this kit with this engine is very affordable for me!!
Also I noticed the rudder control horn doesnt come with the rudder kit.
Can anyone explain this and how it gets attached later? Also the internal
fairing for the lower part of the rudder isnt supplied with the rudder
kit???
Cheers,
Darin McLEAN
Sydney, AUSTRALIA
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Attach brackets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Matt,
The upper rudder hinge for the purpose of pivot, is not going to get 2D
edge distance on this part. I don't think
it's critical because the rudder doesn't load like structural
connections of most other pieces. The
added thickness is probably a good thing for the sake of wear,
disassembly etc. My drawing shows the same
condition.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Matt & Jo wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
>
>Hello all, Finished up the wings and have started the fuselage.
>
>Has anyone had problems with the upper rudder hinge 6B2-7. I have yet to drill,
but when laying it out I noticed that there is no way to maintain a 2 d edge
distance with a 1/4 hole and maintain the 11 mm spacing. I noticed that the
latest revision to the drawings have increased the thickness of this part from
1/8 to 3/16. I have emailed ZAC and am waiting for their reply. I am not sure
if I just got a bad part or what.
>
>Has anyone put the access door in the bottom of the fuse. Is it needed?
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Matt
>www.zodiacxl.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N601LG First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Congratulations Lance!
It's a great feeling to step from
the build mode and then put it all into the sky. I don't think
you can ever forget that feeling.
Larry McFarland
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Lance Gingell wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>
>Yesterday, I took my newly completed Zodiac 601 XL, N601LG for its
>maiden flight. What a thrill that was! Now its time for more flying, not
>building (although I do need to paint it!).
>
>I've posted pictures at http://lancegingell.com/firstflight.asp ...more
>updates will follow on this page over the coming days.
>
>Cheers,
>..lance (still grinning!)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N601LG First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
Congrats to you.....................................
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
Congrats to you.....................................
do not archive
BenHaas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
> Also I noticed the rudder control horn doesnt come
> with the rudder kit.
> Also the internal
> fairing for the lower part of the rudder isnt
> supplied with the rudder
> kit???
I bought the complete kit, and picked it up at the
factory in Febuary of this year, after attending the
in-house rudder build class. And these parts were not
included in my kit when I got it home and inventoried
it. So I called the factory and they told me it was
an error on their part, and mailed it right out to me.
Got it in two days. You don't install these parts at
the rudder workshop, so they don't put these parts in
with the rudder package for some reason. And always
forget them later when assembling the rest of the
parts package.
Don
601XL, tail done, working on wings
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Darin,
Without knowing the specific performance spec for the 2200 equipped HDS,
I'd recommend considering all choices along the way, that you build the
plane as light as possible. 85 HP is enough power for the HDS if it
isn't loaded with every thing that can be put into one of these.
Not sure why the rudder horn hasn't been included, but it isn't hard to
make and if you look closely in the drawings,
you'll see it riveted to the bottom of your rudder. The inside forward
fairing skin is but a rectangular patch that
can be added after your rudder is fitted to allow you to get clearances
as needed. Leave those holes open til you
get there.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/rudder/full/rudelev.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/bstop.gif
If you need any more help or visualization, please feel free to visit my
site and you'll be able to see where these parts go.
(check the rudder page) and if you have questions, please ask.
Good luck and welcome to the Zenith group
Larry McFarland - 601HDS - Stratus Subaru at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Darin McLEAN wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Darin McLEAN" <darin@dm-electronics.com.au>
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I'm just starting the rudder for a CH601HDS.
>I will be using a Jabiru 2200 85hp engine.
>Does anyone have any performance specifications for this setup and if so
>please let us know.
>
>Building this kit with this engine is very affordable for me!!
>
>Also I noticed the rudder control horn doesnt come with the rudder kit.
>Can anyone explain this and how it gets attached later? Also the internal
>fairing for the lower part of the rudder isnt supplied with the rudder
>kit???
>
>Cheers,
>Darin McLEAN
>Sydney, AUSTRALIA
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Source for inspection plates |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
I would like to put some inspection plates in my 701. Does anyone
know of a source where I can buy the doublers and covers for
inspection plates. I know that they are simple parts, but cutting
them by hand would be very time consuming.
Doug Kandle
CH701
Boise ID
Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done
From complete kit
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| Subject: | Re: N601LG First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dave Gardea <dgardea@gmail.com>
Lance,
Congratulations! The grin was very evident in your pictures! I noticed a
laptop in the cockpit with you in the last pic. Are you downloading flight
data? How have you set that up and what EIS are you using? Any
recommendations you can share would be very appreciated.
Best regards,
Dave Gardea
http://dgardea.mybesthost.com
601XL/Corvair tail done, working on wings
do not archive
On 9/18/05, Lance Gingell <lgingell@matrix-logic.com> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <
> lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>
> Yesterday, I took my newly completed Zodiac 601 XL, N601LG for its
> maiden flight. What a thrill that was! Now its time for more flying, not
> building (although I do need to paint it!).
>
> I've posted pictures at http://lancegingell.com/firstflight.asp ...more
> updates will follow on this page over the coming days.
>
> Cheers,
> ..lance (still grinning!)
>
> --
>
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| Subject: | Inspection plates |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Saw some as are used on fabric aircraft.....fellow used the plastic/nylon rings
glued to inside of inspection hole to provide a "lip" for the keepers on purchased
plates. Seemed to work well, think he used epoxy on the rings.
Since you won't be removing these on a daily basis it seems okay.
Allow some room for the use of wrenches/ratchets, etc since you are free to decide
on the placement of the holes.
Zed/701/R912/90+%/etc
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Source for inspection plates |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
How about making them out of Lexan or plexiglass so you can peek inside with a
flashlight for more frequent inspection?
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
wiring and stuff
601XL/Corvair in Nebraska
doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle
I would like to put some inspection plates in my 701.
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| Subject: | Re: AOA for Safety of Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
John & Zenith builders/fliers:
I haven't posted for a while, I wait until a thread is started then answer~~
John's message is shortened for the list.
As many of you know, I produce an angle of attack system, the RiteAngle IIIb.
This system is vane operated and has worked flawlessly on aircraft from
Ultralights to 16,000# Borate Bombers to nearly all models of Lancair, RV, Europa,
KitFox, Glasair and quite a few Zenith aircraft, one Zenith has been flying
the system for at least 5 years.
The only problem my customers have is with the setup of the system, it must
be done by the book or it will not work, similar to a computer setup. I am now
working with a Zenith customer who has a setup problem and trying to resolve
it. The system is self testing so it even tells you what the basic problem is
in an audio along with the flashing LED's. We correct for up to 6 positions
of flaps which is mandatory if the AOA is accurate in all flap settings.
When setup the system is flawless in operation Drop a line or e-mail after
viewing our website www.riteangle.com Elbie Mendenhall EM Aviation, LLC
************
John Buttterfield's comments, which echo mine 1000%:
One thing i have noticed is the lack of discussion
regarding angle of attack instruments.
If i had a choice between my airspeed indicator or my
AOA failing, i would certainly choose the AOA as my
primary speed indicator. After a few hours in our
machines, we know about what the speed will be at any
given power setting. When in the slow speed mode, the
a/s indicator is fairly unreliable. the AOA is never
wrong, (assuming is is set up correctly) it will
always indicate the best speed for any weigth and
atmospheric conditions. Actually, ater you get used
to it, landing become very precise and at the proper
speed.
When i flew (USMC)in military aircraft, we usually
added 10kts for the wife and 10 for each kid. Of
coarse this is a joke, but landing at the proper speed
is safer and much easier on the aircraft. Short field
landings, are the norm (if desired).
I only feel confident in giving advise to this group
regarding the AOA. I am humbled by the knowledge you
have regarding building and flying the Zenith
products, I would put the AOA as the best insurance
for safe flying. It works all the time and should be
your primary stall waring devise in all aspects of
flight.
To those who have not used an AOA, take the time to
try one out. To those who have, your opinions should
be voiced.
best regards to the group.
john butterfield
601XL/corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Source for inspection plates |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> You can use a fly cutter to cut them, why bother
> looking all over creation. We cut them and the
> doublers for our Glastar project. Put 8/32 nut
> nut plates with counter sunk rivets on the doublers
> can be put on with a rivet squeezer....B Sceppa
> rjscep@yahoo.com
--- doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle
> <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
>
> I would like to put some inspection plates in my
> 701. Does anyone
> know of a source where I can buy the doublers and
> covers for
> inspection plates. I know that they are simple
> parts, but cutting
> them by hand would be very time consuming.
>
> Doug Kandle
> CH701
> Boise ID
> Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done
> From complete kit
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
Hi List
I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well and
how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this weekend that
has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend for a much needed
get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my plane while I was
gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of flying time and a
graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown together for probably
10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane.
When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a 4
lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure and was
forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and the plane was
not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out landing about a mile
from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he said the engine sputtered
and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it had to be electrical or a fuel
problem. I was right. He had run the plane out of fuel. The wings had to be
removed and put on a truck back to the airport. Unfortunately instead of
disconnecting the wires and tubing, they just cut them.
He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm
reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please make
sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and flying
probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone else fly my
plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but this was just
plain stupidity.
John
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
John H,
Sure glad it seems to have worked out well. The damage to both your plane
and the "not very smart student" could have been horrible. Sometimes people
are very stupid.
On 9/19/05, john H <professor71@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi List
>
> I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well
> and
> how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this weekend that
> has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend for a much needed
> get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my plane while I was
> gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of flying time and a
> graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown together for probably
> 10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane.
>
> When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a 4
> lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure and
> was
> forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and the plane
> was
> not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out landing about a mile
> from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he said the engine sputtered
> and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it had to be electrical or a
> fuel
> problem. I was right. He had run the plane out of fuel. The wings had to
> be
> removed and put on a truck back to the airport. Unfortunately instead of
> disconnecting the wires and tubing, they just cut them.
>
> He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm
> reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please
> make
> sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and flying
> probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone else fly
> my
> plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but this was just
> plain stupidity.
> John
>
>
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| Subject: | N601LG First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Question for Lance...And congrats too....Larry is right you will never
forget it...:)
I notice you secured the top skin over the instruments with C/s
screws...Good idea but did ZAC approve this mod?..I never seen this
panel secured this way..
Comments?
Sure would make instrument access easier.
Frank HDS 378 hours, up for sale sometime during Phase 1 testing of my
RV 7a...:)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Damn!
Thanks for sharing John, I am at a complete loss how such a serious
brain fart could occur...If the FAA finds out about this I bet they will
be having a serious conversation with him.
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john H
Subject: Zenith-List: Close Call
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
Hi List
I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well
and how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this
weekend that has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend
for a much needed get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my
plane while I was gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of
flying time and a graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown
together for probably
10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane.
When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a
4 lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure
and was forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and
the plane was not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out
landing about a mile from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he
said the engine sputtered and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it
had to be electrical or a fuel problem. I was right. He had run the
plane out of fuel. The wings had to be removed and put on a truck back
to the airport. Unfortunately instead of disconnecting the wires and
tubing, they just cut them.
He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm
reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please
make sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and
flying probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone
else fly my plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but
this was just plain stupidity.
John
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Firewall . Skyshop or Zenith ?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" <larryb54@alltel.net>
Thanks for all the advice. It looks like everybody agrees that the Skyshops kit
is better. So.... I just ordered the 701 firewall fwd kit from Skyshops and I
also ordered the seats, electric flap actuator and strut fairings. $6000 worth,dang,
this building airplanes hobby sure gets expensive!! Wait a minute... didn't
I order the COMPLETE kit from Zenith 2 years and 1200 hours ago?? and I
still gotta buy the 912 engine, bubble doors, avionics etc.etc. Oh well, I'm
having fun anyway, at least until the wife finds out. just hope this thing flys
someday. Thanks for all ya'lls advice.
Larry Bohannon
Winder, Georgia
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| Subject: | N601LG First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Larry McFarland's airplane is done this way also.
"Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:--> Zenith-List message
posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
Question for Lance...And congrats too....Larry is right you will never
forget it...:)
I notice you secured the top skin over the instruments with C/s
screws...Good idea but did ZAC approve this mod?..I never seen this
panel secured this way..
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Larry, you really are going about this accounting business all wrong. I
learned all this wisdom from my good friend and fellow XL builder, Mr. David C.,
"the Flying Accountant." Mr. David, who by the way, is also hangered there near
you at Winder. First principal of airplane building accounting (ABA) is;
"if you want it, you need it. If you need it, you should have it, Toys
first!"
Second, "you can't live forever (who would want to?) so why do without
something you really, really need right now just to save money for that old age
period."
Lastly, "money spent for airplane stuff and things you really, really need
is best kept confidential."
Why worry your sweet and understanding wife about not having enough money to
feed and clothe the children or spending their college fund when you have your
heart set on buying and installing an Angle of Attack Indicator, Professional
Model (retail @ Spruce for $1,478. as shown on Page 349) so you can zoom
around just like our Navy carrier pilots even though you've been flying GA safely
for a dozen years without one. Still, if you want it you need it. Right? Have
fun and enjoy life and this plane building time. Sooner than you expect the
building will be all over and you'll just have to fly everywhere you want, any
time you want and what kind of fun it that ? Best regards and say hello to
David when you see him, Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Two words: Checklist trainning...
One old local pilot said once, that the new cars are so "automatic" (even the lights
turn on and off auto), new oils need no change until you service the car,
engine thermostats, lifetime bateries, etc
That are making people the "sit and go" style of driving... Remember when we
used to check the oil, the battery and radiator water level, every saturday,
Tube tires need to check the pressure every fill up, Now the cars need no warming
in the morning (maybe in North USA or Canada)... Etc.
This has a big impact in young flyers, we need to force them (as well as all of
us, of course) to do the CORRECT and COMPLETE preflight and checklist(s) everytime
we fly, just as the Instructor used to train us and force us in school...
Congratulations for you and your pilot, Just got a "new" airplane.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
john H <professor71@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H"
Hi List
I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well and
how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this weekend that
has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend for a much needed
get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my plane while I was
gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of flying time and a
graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown together for probably
10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane.
When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a 4
lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure and was
forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and the plane was
not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out landing about a mile
from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he said the engine sputtered
and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it had to be electrical or a fuel
problem. I was right. He had run the plane out of fuel. The wings had to be
removed and put on a truck back to the airport. Unfortunately instead of
disconnecting the wires and tubing, they just cut them.
He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm
reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please make
sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and flying
probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone else fly my
plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but this was just
plain stupidity.
John
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Hello Gary and list members.
Speaking about a check list. Does anyone have a check list for the Zenith
701?
I would like to see what you have made for your plane. Am working on one for
myself, and any input would be appreciated.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Close Call
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Two words: Checklist trainning...
>
> One old local pilot said once, that the new cars are so "automatic" (even
the lights turn on and off auto), new oils need no change until you service
the car, engine thermostats, lifetime bateries, etc
> That are making people the "sit and go" style of driving... Remember
when we used to check the oil, the battery and radiator water level, every
saturday, Tube tires need to check the pressure every fill up, Now the
cars need no warming in the morning (maybe in North USA or Canada)... Etc.
>
> This has a big impact in young flyers, we need to force them (as well as
all of us, of course) to do the CORRECT and COMPLETE preflight and
checklist(s) everytime we fly, just as the Instructor used to train us and
force us in school...
>
> Congratulations for you and your pilot, Just got a "new" airplane.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
>
> john H <professor71@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H"
>
>
> Hi List
>
> I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well
and
> how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this weekend that
> has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend for a much needed
> get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my plane while I was
> gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of flying time and a
> graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown together for probably
> 10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane.
>
> When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a 4
> lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure and
was
> forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and the plane
was
> not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out landing about a mile
> from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he said the engine sputtered
> and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it had to be electrical or a
fuel
> problem. I was right. He had run the plane out of fuel. The wings had to
be
> removed and put on a truck back to the airport. Unfortunately instead of
> disconnecting the wires and tubing, they just cut them.
>
> He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm
> reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please
make
> sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and flying
> probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone else fly
my
> plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but this was just
> plain stupidity.
> John
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: fred sanford <sonar1@cox.net>
Johann and list members:
The Czech Aircraft Works has a pilot handbook. I have part of it - item
8. three pages about periodic maintenance, 25 hour checks etc. Sure
would like to have the preceeding 7 items. Been looking on the web, but
can't find it. Does anyone have it??
do not archive
Fred Sanford N9701 2 hours
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: szewc@direcway.com
Johann,
Here is what I put together for checklists. I have the 912ULS in mine.
N701SZ Checklists
Pre-flight
q Key is Off
q Turn Master ON
q Verify Fuel level
q Verify Voltage level
q Check position lights, strobe lights, landing and taxi lights
q Turn Master OFF
q Note Hobbs time in flight log
q Check interior for neatness
q Check fuel line connection points
q Fuel Selector on proper fuel tanks
q Underneath airplane for oil or fuel leaks
q Left wing condition, and flaperon/slat security
q Left main tire, brakes, gear
q Left fuselage for condition
q Stabilizer condition and security
q Elevator condition, hinges, trim tab, and turnbuckle security
q Rudder condition, hinges, position light, and turnbuckle security
q Right fuselage for condition
q Right main tire, brakes, and gear
q Right wing condition, and flaperon/slat security
q Nose wheel condition
q Propeller condition
q Remove cowling top
q Remove Oil filler cap
q Rotate propeller counter clockwise as facing airplane from front, continue
rotating until gurgling sound is heard from oil reservoir
q Remove oil dipstick from reservoir to check oil level, add if necessary
and note in log
q Ensure coolant expansion reservoir is approximately half full
q Engine and components for general condition and loose hardware
q Replace cowling
q Add or remove duct tape from oil/water cooler depending on expected temperatures
q Check Fuel at drain points for debris and water
Startup
q Baggage is stowed
q Seat belts are fastened
q Check fuel selector is in proper position for fuel tanks
q MASTER ON
q ALT ON
q START POWER ON
q CLEAR PROP (check propwash area)
q CHOKE (if cold)
q Turn Key fully clockwise until propeller is turning
q Engine starts, release tension on key
q Check engine gauges (oil pressure, voltage, indicators)
q If choke is used, slowly remove choke
q Warm engine @ 2500 RPM
q Program GPS while engine warms
q Taxi when oil temperature gauge shows some temperature
Taxi
q Check brakes
q Make sure taxi area is clear
q Call for taxi clearance or announce intentions
q Taxi to run-up area
Run-up
q Set engine to 4000 RPM
q Verify engine gauges
q Check left and right magnetos (no more than 150 RPM drop with 50 RPM D
q Check idle+
q Set Altimeter
q Ensure oil temp >120
q Check fuel selector is set on proper tanks
Take off
q Position lights
q Strobe lights
q Transponder ALT 1200
q Clearance from tower or Call intentions
q Check for traffic and take active runway (if clear)
Climb out
q Set climb 55 MPH Vy (no obstacles)
q Set climb 45 MPH Vx (clear obstacles)
q Scan instruments regularly for
o Airspeed
o Oil pressure
o Oil temp
o Water temp
Cruise
q Every 15 minutes
o Oil pressure
o Oil temp
o Water temp
o Voltage
o Fuel level
o Indicator lights
o Fuel selector
Pre-landing
q Check fuel selector is on tanks with most fuel
q Set pattern speed to 80mph
q Taxi/Landing lights (if necessary)
Clear runway
q Strobes off
q Nav lights off
q Transponder off
q Contact Ground control or notify clear of runway
Engine shut down
q Taxi/Landing lights off
q Avionics switch off
q Pull throttle all the way idle
q Turn key slowly mag 1 off, mag 2 off, key off
q Turn off start power, Alt, Master
> Speaking about a check list. Does anyone have a check list for the
> Zenith701?
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darin McLEAN" <darin@dm-electronics.com.au>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance
Darin-
I'm also considering a 2200 in an HDS, and contacted JabiruUS. First, I
wanted to know why a firewall forward package wasn't offered on their
website. Pete got back to me and said it was an oversight- yes, it is
available. Second, I asked whether the numbers you can find on the Zenith
website claiming a 95 SMPH cruise were accurate. He suggested I check out
Cletis Lamm's site at c.lamm@insightbb.com for real-world numbers with a
2200 installed in an HD. I originally was going to go with a Subaru
installation, but with all the overheating problems posted (I've driven
Subarus for years and continually have to replace thermostats) and the added
complexity of a redrive, I decided to check out other options. I still have
time to make up my mind.
But- they must sell Jabirus down under for half of what you pay up here
if it's "Very affordable" for you! There's someone selling a 0 time chromed
O-235 Lycoming in this month's Sport Aviation for $7000! Or was selling-
it's probably history by now.
As far as fairings are concerned- I haven't yet met or corresponded with
anyone building an HDS that hasn't plugged up the holes CH left flapping in
the wind near the centerline of the elevator. Don't be afraid to build what
you need yourself. (I'm speaking cosmetic touches here- build to the prints
for everything else).
Finally, if it weren't for Larry Mac, I would have quit long ago. Just
don't expect painting tips from him.
Basement, Igor, and don't forget the drill battery pack this time!
Bill
601HDS/?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Darin McLEAN"
<darin@dm-electronics.com.au>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm just starting the rudder for a CH601HDS.
> I will be using a Jabiru 2200 85hp engine.
> Does anyone have any performance specifications for this setup and if so
> please let us know.
>
> Building this kit with this engine is very affordable for me!!
>
> Also I noticed the rudder control horn doesnt come with the rudder kit.
> Can anyone explain this and how it gets attached later? Also the internal
> fairing for the lower part of the rudder isnt supplied with the rudder
> kit???
>
> Cheers,
> Darin McLEAN
> Sydney, AUSTRALIA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Money and Toys. Do not archive!!!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Here we have a more cruel way to hangar talk about the hard working and retirement
money:
Where do you want YUR hard erned money "invested"?
Now In your toys (our case airplanes) or later when you die, in shoes on your
daughter in law's mothers feet? ;-)
Yes, I also think this is really MEAN!! :-) :-) Sorry.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive.
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Larry, you really are going about this accounting business all wrong. I
learned all this wisdom from my good friend and fellow XL builder, Mr. David C.,
"the Flying Accountant." Mr. David, who by the way, is also hangered there near
you at Winder. First principal of airplane building accounting (ABA) is;
"if you want it, you need it. If you need it, you should have it, Toys
first!"
Second, "you can't live forever (who would want to?) so why do without
something you really, really need right now just to save money for that old age
period."
Lastly, "money spent for airplane stuff and things you really, really need
is best kept confidential."
Why worry your sweet and understanding wife about not having enough money to
feed and clothe the children or spending their college fund when you have your
heart set on buying and installing an Angle of Attack Indicator, Professional
Model (retail @ Spruce for $1,478. as shown on Page 349) so you can zoom
around just like our Navy carrier pilots even though you've been flying GA safely
for a dozen years without one. Still, if you want it you need it. Right? Have
fun and enjoy life and this plane building time. Sooner than you expect the
building will be all over and you'll just have to fly everywhere you want, any
time you want and what kind of fun it that ? Best regards and say hello to
David when you see him, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Attach brackets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
Thanks Larry, I got a reply from ZAC. (not bad within 24 hrs) and said:
The reason for the increase in thickness was for the LSA to help reduce the
wear on the busing 6B2-8. The parts shown in the 2nd edition of the XL
drawings do not have to be changed. Ref. 6B2-7 edge distance of 8mm is good
with material thickness t=.125"
Do not archive
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
> Matt,
> The upper rudder hinge for the purpose of pivot, is not going to get 2D
> edge distance on this part. I don't think
> it's critical because the rudder doesn't load like structural
> connections of most other pieces. The
> added thickness is probably a good thing for the sake of wear,
> disassembly etc. My drawing shows the same
> condition.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Yes Johann,
I made one, (in spanish), is a "Pilot Manual" and "Check list" in one. I will
translate it to english and send it to you in a few days,
What you like? Word *.doc or Adobe *. pdf format?
We need one for the paperwork for the register number.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
"Johann G." <johann@gi.is> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G."
Hello Gary and list members.
Speaking about a check list. Does anyone have a check list for the Zenith
701?
I would like to see what you have made for your plane. Am working on one for
myself, and any input would be appreciated.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower"
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Close Call
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower
>
> Two words: Checklist trainning...
>
> One old local pilot said once, that the new cars are so "automatic" (even
the lights turn on and off auto), new oils need no change until you service
the car, engine thermostats, lifetime bateries, etc
> That are making people the "sit and go" style of driving... Remember
when we used to check the oil, the battery and radiator water level, every
saturday, Tube tires need to check the pressure every fill up, Now the
cars need no warming in the morning (maybe in North USA or Canada)... Etc.
>
> This has a big impact in young flyers, we need to force them (as well as
all of us, of course) to do the CORRECT and COMPLETE preflight and
checklist(s) everytime we fly, just as the Instructor used to train us and
force us in school...
>
> Congratulations for you and your pilot, Just got a "new" airplane.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
>
> john H
wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H"
>
>
> Hi List
>
> I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well
and
> how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this weekend that
> has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend for a much needed
> get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my plane while I was
> gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of flying time and a
> graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown together for probably
> 10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane.
>
> When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a 4
> lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure and
was
> forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and the plane
was
> not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out landing about a mile
> from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he said the engine sputtered
> and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it had to be electrical or a
fuel
> problem. I was right. He had run the plane out of fuel. The wings had to
be
> removed and put on a truck back to the airport. Unfortunately instead of
> disconnecting the wires and tubing, they just cut them.
>
> He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm
> reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please
make
> sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and flying
> probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone else fly
my
> plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but this was just
> plain stupidity.
> John
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Here is mine for a Jab 2200.
Chuck D.
N701TX
N701TX Checklist
Pre-flight inspection:
Check Mag switches: L and R - OFF Master switch -ON, check fuel gauges
Record Hobbs time.
Master switch - OFF
Control lock - REMOVE
Fuel valve (1 of 2) - ON
Drain gascolator and all drain valves.
Fuel valves (both) - OFF
Air intake cover - REMOVE
Check cowl fasteners, check spinner,
and prop.
Visually check fuel quantity.
Pitot tube - REMOVE cover and check.
Check front wing attachment points.
Upper forward strut attachment, slats,
and wing tip.
Flaperon hinges, rear strut
attachment, flaperon control and
rear wing attachment.
Landing gear condition, attachments,
brakes, and tires.
Stabilizer, trim tab, elevator and rudder
hinges, cables and attachments,
and control stops.
Antennae.
Continue walk around inspecting
both sides.
Cold Engine Start:
Throttle (closed) - OUT TO STOP
Choke on - PULL
Pull propeller through 3 revolutions by hand.
N701TX Checklist
Before starting engine:
Fasten and check safety belts.
Close and lock doors.
Check fuses (9) - IN
Operate controls and make a visual
check.
Check brakes.
Starting engine:
Fuel valve (1 of 2) - ON
Throttle (closed) - OUT TO STOP
Choke on (only for cold engine) - PULL
Master switch - ON
Mag switches: L and R - ON
Fuel boost for 10 sec - ON then OFF
Turn starter key: max 20 sec,
then cooling for 1 min.
Check oil pressure - within first 5 sec.
Choke off (close after start) - PUSH
Set RPM to 1200.
Radio, strobe and other switches - ON
Warm-up and ground test:
Start warm-up period at 1200 RPM.
Continue at 2000 RPM until the
oil temperature is 50 C.
Set RPM to 2000 for magneto check.
Drop < 100 RPM.
Difference between L and R < 50.
Check carb heat: PULL ON - PUSH OFF
DO NOT apply full power until
CHT reaches 212 F.
DO NOT allow CHT to rise above 356 F
during ground running.
N701TX Checklist
Before take-off:
Set altimeter.
Set elevator trim to center.
Check radio and other switches - ON
Flaps - UP (handle back)
Check freedom and deflection of
controls.
Check that doors are locked.
Check safety belts.
Check choke off - PUSH
Check fuel valve (1 of 2) - ON
Take-off:
Release brakes.
Set throttle gradually to full.
Check RPM and gauges.
Pull stick slightly back.
Climb:
Cruise climb: 60 mph.
Best rate of climb: 46 mph, flaps up.
Best angle of climb: 35 mph, flaps.
Check temperatures and pressures.
Cruise:
Cruise is achieved at 2750 - 2800 RPM.
Maneuvering speed: 71 mph
Descent:
2000 RPM to prevent rapid cooling
(46 to 58 mph).
Carb heat on - PULL
N701TX Checklist
Approach:
Throttle back, 50-60 mph.
Flaps as required below 60 mph.
Landing:
Touchdown main wheels first.
Lower nose wheel gently.
Cross wind landings:
Approach with one wing low,
or use crabbing, or combination.
Straighten the aircraft/nose wheel
just before touchdown.
Missed landing:
Full power.
Carb heat off - PUSH
Raise flaps above 46 mph.
Shut down (engine):
Allow engine to cool.
Switches - OFF
L mag - OFF (note rpm drop)
R mag - OFF
Master switch - OFF
Fuel valves (both) - OFF
Master key - REMOVE
Engine failure/forced landing:
Set airspeed for best rate of descent
52 mph, flaps up.
Fuel valves (both) - OFF
Mag switches: L and R - OFF
Master switch - OFF
Tighten safety belts.
Fuel Stick Readings
5.5 = 7 gal total
13 = 10.8 gal total
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Subject: Zenith-List: Check list.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
>
> Hello Gary and list members.
>
> Speaking about a check list. Does anyone have a check list for the Zenith
> 701?
> I would like to see what you have made for your plane. Am working on one
for
> myself, and any input would be appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Close Call
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Two words: Checklist trainning...
> >
> > One old local pilot said once, that the new cars are so "automatic"
(even
> the lights turn on and off auto), new oils need no change until you
service
> the car, engine thermostats, lifetime bateries, etc
> > That are making people the "sit and go" style of driving... Remember
> when we used to check the oil, the battery and radiator water level, every
> saturday, Tube tires need to check the pressure every fill up, Now the
> cars need no warming in the morning (maybe in North USA or Canada)...
Etc.
> >
> > This has a big impact in young flyers, we need to force them (as well
as
> all of us, of course) to do the CORRECT and COMPLETE preflight and
> checklist(s) everytime we fly, just as the Instructor used to train us
and
> force us in school...
> >
> > Congratulations for you and your pilot, Just got a "new" airplane.
> >
> > Saludos
> > Gary Gower.
> >
> > john H <professor71@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H"
> >
> >
> > Hi List
> >
> > I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well
> and
> > how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this weekend
that
> > has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend for a much
needed
> > get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my plane while I was
> > gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of flying time and a
> > graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown together for
probably
> > 10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane.
> >
> > When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a
4
> > lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure and
> was
> > forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and the plane
> was
> > not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out landing about a
mile
> > from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he said the engine
sputtered
> > and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it had to be electrical or a
> fuel
> > problem. I was right. He had run the plane out of fuel. The wings had to
> be
> > removed and put on a truck back to the airport. Unfortunately instead of
> > disconnecting the wires and tubing, they just cut them.
> >
> > He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm
> > reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please
> make
> > sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and flying
> > probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone else
fly
> my
> > plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but this was
just
> > plain stupidity.
> > John
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Firewall . Skyshop or Zenith ?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
Get your bubble doors from SkyShops too. They are about 1/2 price of
Zenith's. I like the full view you get with Zenith doors, but that's all.
The SkyShop doors are half and half. The SkyShop doors are a better deal,
they come with gas shocks. Zenith uses a suckion cup to hold the doors
open.
Another thing to consider is that SkyShop uses Lexan whereas Zenith use
plexaglass. I like Lexan better for doors because it has some flex in it,
plexagass is brittle and cracks easy. Lexan scatches easier, but, it will
stop a speeding bullet.
If I had to do it over, I'd go with SkyShops.
Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bohannon" <larryb54@alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Firewall . Skyshop or Zenith ??
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" <larryb54@alltel.net>
>
> Thanks for all the advice. It looks like everybody agrees that the
> Skyshops kit is better. So.... I just ordered the 701 firewall fwd kit
> from Skyshops and I also ordered the seats, electric flap actuator and
> strut fairings. $6000 worth,dang, this building airplanes hobby sure gets
> expensive!! Wait a minute... didn't I order the COMPLETE kit from Zenith 2
> years and 1200 hours ago?? and I still gotta buy the 912 engine, bubble
> doors, avionics etc.etc. Oh well, I'm having fun anyway, at least until
> the wife finds out. just hope this thing flys someday. Thanks for all
> ya'lls advice.
> Larry Bohannon
> Winder, Georgia
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
Hi Frank
The FAA was notified. They were more impressed that he made a safe landing
and no one was hurt. The only thing they suggested was not to rely on the
fuel gauge and always stick the tank.. I have the sight gauge which is real
accurate on the ground but does bounce during flight. I've never had a
problem running out or low on fuel. I also have checklists which were not
used this time. The more I think about what happened, the more pissed off I
get. I don't understand how someone could be so negligent especially with
his hours of flying and the education he has. He still doesn't get how
serious this mistake was and is more focused on his piloting skills in
making such a great emergency landing.
>From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Close Call
>Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:27:11 -0700
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
><frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Damn!
>
>Thanks for sharing John, I am at a complete loss how such a serious
>brain fart could occur...If the FAA finds out about this I bet they will
>be having a serious conversation with him.
>
>Frank
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john H
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Close Call
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
>
>Hi List
>
>I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well
>and how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this
>weekend that has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend
>for a much needed get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my
>plane while I was gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of
>flying time and a graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown
>together for probably
>10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane.
>
>When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a
>4 lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure
>and was forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and
>the plane was not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out
>landing about a mile from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he
>said the engine sputtered and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it
>had to be electrical or a fuel problem. I was right. He had run the
>plane out of fuel. The wings had to be removed and put on a truck back
>to the airport. Unfortunately instead of disconnecting the wires and
>tubing, they just cut them.
>
>He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm
>reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please
>make sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and
>flying probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone
>else fly my plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but
>this was just plain stupidity.
>John
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trell & Amy Hall" <hallsplace@charter.net>
EAA Chapter 731 Fly-in at Morganton Lenoir airport in NC is on Saturday September
24th
15 Awards Will be give to the top planes Hope to see some 601's and some 701's
there
Here is a link to our web site for more info
www.eaa731.org
Trell
Have not started
no muney on time
but like to fly
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| Subject: | Re: Money and Toys. Do not archive!!!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Gary, you said it all with that proverb, best regards, Bill
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| Subject: | RE: N601LG First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" <royt.or@netzero.com>
Lance. Congratulations. Building was a wonderful adventure. I expect that you will
find flying even better. I look forward to sharing the sky with N601LG.
Frank - N601RT has CS #8 torx head screws securing the top forward skin. Zenair
approved this using nutplates and with the same spacing as the plans documented
rivets. ==100 nutplates! You probably did not notice this on my plane because
you were concerned about all the extra $tuff I put in the panel, or because
N601RT sucks fuel to the firewall through a fuel selector valve, fuel filter
and fuel flow transducer from a wing locker tank or either of the leading edge
tanks. ;-)
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped,
465hrs, 566 landings
Lance. Congratulations. Building was a wonderful adventure. I expect that you will
find flying even better. I look forward to sharing the sky with N601LG.
Frank - N601RT has CS #8 torx head screws securing the top forward skin. Zenair
approved this using nutplates and with the same spacing as the plans documented
rivets. ==100 nutplates! You probably did not notice this on my plane because
you were concerned about all the extra $tuff I put in the panel, or because
N601RT sucks fuel to the firewall through a fuel selector valve, fuel filter
and fuel flow transducer from a wing locker tank or either of the leading edge
tanks. ;-)
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped,
465hrs,566 landings
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| Subject: | Close Call... Gift of Wings. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Professor,
With all my respect, Just a short advise (of course do what you decide)
Tell him to build his own airplane... Excess of confidence is the biggest danger
in aviation, and sadly bright kids got LOTS of it...
Also, Remember him, like Richard Bach said in one of the chapters in his book
"Gift of Wings" something like this:
(Not exactly, not reading it, but got deep inside my brain) (He compared very
seroiusly Aviation with Religion) (Also I read it in Spanish)
"Aviation will kill you without merci if you brake the Law..." "No fair trail".
Well this is the message I got in that books chapter,
I read the book several years ago, and several times... and still remeber lots
of chapters, If you find the book, give it to him as a night reading, you
read it first and will enjoy most of it. Each chapter is a complete history...
Check in Amazon the "Spotlight Reviews"
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0440204321/103-6931873-9041457?v=glance
Disclamer: I dont sell Amazon Books or recieve a share... :-) :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
john H <professor71@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H"
Hi Frank
The FAA was notified. They were more impressed that he made a safe landing
and no one was hurt. The only thing they suggested was not to rely on the
fuel gauge and always stick the tank.. I have the sight gauge which is real
accurate on the ground but does bounce during flight. I've never had a
problem running out or low on fuel. I also have checklists which were not
used this time. The more I think about what happened, the more pissed off I
get. I don't understand how someone could be so negligent especially with
his hours of flying and the education he has. He still doesn't get how
serious this mistake was and is more focused on his piloting skills in
making such a great emergency landing.
>From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Close Call
>Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:27:11 -0700
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
>
>
>Damn!
>
>Thanks for sharing John, I am at a complete loss how such a serious
>brain fart could occur...If the FAA finds out about this I bet they will
>be having a serious conversation with him.
>
>Frank
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john H
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Close Call
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H"
>
>Hi List
>
>I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well
>and how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this
>weekend that has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend
>for a much needed get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my
>plane while I was gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of
>flying time and a graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown
>together for probably
>10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane.
>
>When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a
>4 lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure
>and was forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and
>the plane was not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out
>landing about a mile from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he
>said the engine sputtered and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it
>had to be electrical or a fuel problem. I was right. He had run the
>plane out of fuel. The wings had to be removed and put on a truck back
>to the airport. Unfortunately instead of disconnecting the wires and
>tubing, they just cut them.
>
>He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm
>reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please
>make sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and
>flying probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone
>else fly my plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but
>this was just plain stupidity.
>John
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2 piece canopy , 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Tezyk" <bob@eaglesnestestates.org>
Last year, I had the pleasure of flying in a 601XL with a 2 piece canopy that
was for sale. A year later, I would have to assume that it was sold. You may
be able to track down the current owner provided the tail number did not change.
I liked the safety factor of a fixed wind screen, should the canopy depart.
It also made for easy entry and exit. The craftsmanship was very good and the
design was cleverly done.
I chose not to buy it, in part, because of what appeared to be the additional
weight added by the canopy and what I perceived to be a need to add additional
stiffening to the frame, thus adding more weight. I took some pictures with
my cell phone camera and I have posted them on my community website. They are
not very good but it will give you a feel for how one fellow did it. The link
is:
http://www.eaglesnestestates.org/601xl-jm/
The current plan is to build a 601XL fast build some time next year when the
hangar is plumbed and wired completely.
Regards,
Bob Tezyk
Midlothian, TX
mailto:bob@eaglesnestestates.org
http://www.eaglesnestestates.org
do not archive
________________________________
_____________________________________
Time: 07:05:14 AM PST US
From: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 2 piece canopy , 601
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Rick:
I have been planning this same idea for some time now. When I get my engine
installed and running I plan to incorporate a combination forward tilt /
sliding canopy. Stay tuned to www.cooknwithgas.com for details.
Scott Laughlin
601XL / Corvair
Wiring panel and working on engine.
Rick Tedford <rick.tedford@sympatico.ca> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Tedford"
Hello Listers : Has anybody seen or know of a 2 pce. canopy design for the 601
.
---------------------------------
________________________________
_____________________________________
Time: 08:05:08 AM PST US
From: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 2 piece canopy , 601
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Could you build in a rollover protection bar immediately behind and above
the passengers' heads that the canopy would rest on when closed? It should
only be a weight issue since it would be very near the CG. If strong enough
to work as a roll bar, it would also be a convenient site to anchor the
harnesses and provide a handhold for entry and exit.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Tedford" <rick.tedford@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: 2 piece canopy , 601
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