---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/19/05: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:44 AM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (Al Young) 2. 05:33 AM - CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance (Darin McLEAN) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Rudder Attach brackets (Larry McFarland) 4. 06:04 AM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (Larry McFarland) 5. 06:14 AM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (n801bh@netzero.com) 6. 06:24 AM - Re: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance (Don Mountain) 7. 06:36 AM - Re: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance (Larry McFarland) 8. 07:08 AM - Source for inspection plates (doug kandle) 9. 07:44 AM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (Dave Gardea) 10. 07:54 AM - Inspection plates (Zed Smith) 11. 07:59 AM - Re: Source for inspection plates (N5SL) 12. 08:57 AM - Re: AOA for Safety of Flight (EMAproducts@aol.com) 13. 09:11 AM - Re: Source for inspection plates (ROBERT SCEPPA) 14. 09:48 AM - Close Call (john H) 15. 10:06 AM - Re: Close Call (Steve Hulland) 16. 10:18 AM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 17. 11:33 AM - Re: Close Call (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 18. 11:35 AM - Re: 701 Firewall . Skyshop or Zenith ?? (Larry Bohannon) 19. 11:39 AM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (N5SL) 20. 12:08 PM - Re: 701 Firewall . Skyshop or Zenith ?? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 21. 12:14 PM - Re: Close Call (Gary Gower) 22. 02:41 PM - Check list. (Johann G.) 23. 03:28 PM - Re: checklist (fred sanford) 24. 03:28 PM - Re: Check list. (szewc@direcway.com) 25. 03:31 PM - Re: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance (William J. Naumuk) 26. 05:08 PM - Re: Money and Toys. Do not archive!!!! (Gary Gower) 27. 05:13 PM - Re: Rudder Attach brackets (Matt & Jo) 28. 05:31 PM - Re: Check list. (Gary Gower) 29. 05:43 PM - Re: Check list. (Chuck Deiterich) 30. 06:26 PM - Re: 701 Firewall . Skyshop or Zenith ?? (Larry) 31. 07:20 PM - Re: Close Call (john H) 32. 08:21 PM - Fly In Saturday (Trell & Amy Hall) 33. 09:53 PM - Re: Money and Toys. Do not archive!!!! (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 34. 10:10 PM - Re: N601LG First Flight! (royt.or@netzero.com) 35. 10:50 PM - Re: Close Call... Gift of Wings. (Gary Gower) 36. 11:31 PM - Re: 2 piece canopy , 601 (Bob Tezyk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:26 AM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601LG First Flight! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" Lance- Congratulations!! I know the thrill. Hope you have a uneventful test period. If you have time after a few flights, I'd be interested in approach power settings, engine, and any other stats you might care to share. Regards, Al Young XL- Re-building ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:37 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance From: "Darin McLEAN" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Darin McLEAN" Hi everyone, I'm just starting the rudder for a CH601HDS. I will be using a Jabiru 2200 85hp engine. Does anyone have any performance specifications for this setup and if so please let us know. Building this kit with this engine is very affordable for me!! Also I noticed the rudder control horn doesnt come with the rudder kit. Can anyone explain this and how it gets attached later? Also the internal fairing for the lower part of the rudder isnt supplied with the rudder kit??? Cheers, Darin McLEAN Sydney, AUSTRALIA ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:05 AM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Attach brackets --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Matt, The upper rudder hinge for the purpose of pivot, is not going to get 2D edge distance on this part. I don't think it's critical because the rudder doesn't load like structural connections of most other pieces. The added thickness is probably a good thing for the sake of wear, disassembly etc. My drawing shows the same condition. Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Matt & Jo wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" > >Hello all, Finished up the wings and have started the fuselage. > >Has anyone had problems with the upper rudder hinge 6B2-7. I have yet to drill, but when laying it out I noticed that there is no way to maintain a 2 d edge distance with a 1/4 hole and maintain the 11 mm spacing. I noticed that the latest revision to the drawings have increased the thickness of this part from 1/8 to 3/16. I have emailed ZAC and am waiting for their reply. I am not sure if I just got a bad part or what. > >Has anyone put the access door in the bottom of the fuse. Is it needed? > > >Cheers > >Matt >www.zodiacxl.com > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:02 AM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601LG First Flight! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Congratulations Lance! It's a great feeling to step from the build mode and then put it all into the sky. I don't think you can ever forget that feeling. Larry McFarland do not archive Lance Gingell wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" > >Yesterday, I took my newly completed Zodiac 601 XL, N601LG for its >maiden flight. What a thrill that was! Now its time for more flying, not >building (although I do need to paint it!). > >I've posted pictures at http://lancegingell.com/firstflight.asp ...more >updates will follow on this page over the coming days. > >Cheers, >..lance (still grinning!) > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:13 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601LG First Flight! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" Congrats to you..................................... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com Congrats to you..................................... do not archive BenHaas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:36 AM PST US From: Don Mountain Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain > Also I noticed the rudder control horn doesnt come > with the rudder kit. > Also the internal > fairing for the lower part of the rudder isnt > supplied with the rudder > kit??? I bought the complete kit, and picked it up at the factory in Febuary of this year, after attending the in-house rudder build class. And these parts were not included in my kit when I got it home and inventoried it. So I called the factory and they told me it was an error on their part, and mailed it right out to me. Got it in two days. You don't install these parts at the rudder workshop, so they don't put these parts in with the rudder package for some reason. And always forget them later when assembling the rest of the parts package. Don 601XL, tail done, working on wings __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:08 AM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Darin, Without knowing the specific performance spec for the 2200 equipped HDS, I'd recommend considering all choices along the way, that you build the plane as light as possible. 85 HP is enough power for the HDS if it isn't loaded with every thing that can be put into one of these. Not sure why the rudder horn hasn't been included, but it isn't hard to make and if you look closely in the drawings, you'll see it riveted to the bottom of your rudder. The inside forward fairing skin is but a rectangular patch that can be added after your rudder is fitted to allow you to get clearances as needed. Leave those holes open til you get there. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/rudder/full/rudelev.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/bstop.gif If you need any more help or visualization, please feel free to visit my site and you'll be able to see where these parts go. (check the rudder page) and if you have questions, please ask. Good luck and welcome to the Zenith group Larry McFarland - 601HDS - Stratus Subaru at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Darin McLEAN wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Darin McLEAN" > >Hi everyone, > >I'm just starting the rudder for a CH601HDS. >I will be using a Jabiru 2200 85hp engine. >Does anyone have any performance specifications for this setup and if so >please let us know. > >Building this kit with this engine is very affordable for me!! > >Also I noticed the rudder control horn doesnt come with the rudder kit. >Can anyone explain this and how it gets attached later? Also the internal >fairing for the lower part of the rudder isnt supplied with the rudder >kit??? > >Cheers, >Darin McLEAN >Sydney, AUSTRALIA > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:08 AM PST US From: doug kandle Subject: Zenith-List: Source for inspection plates --> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle I would like to put some inspection plates in my 701. Does anyone know of a source where I can buy the doublers and covers for inspection plates. I know that they are simple parts, but cutting them by hand would be very time consuming. Doug Kandle CH701 Boise ID Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done From complete kit ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:49 AM PST US From: Dave Gardea Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601LG First Flight! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dave Gardea Lance, Congratulations! The grin was very evident in your pictures! I noticed a laptop in the cockpit with you in the last pic. Are you downloading flight data? How have you set that up and what EIS are you using? Any recommendations you can share would be very appreciated. Best regards, Dave Gardea http://dgardea.mybesthost.com 601XL/Corvair tail done, working on wings do not archive On 9/18/05, Lance Gingell wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" < > lgingell@matrix-logic.com> > > Yesterday, I took my newly completed Zodiac 601 XL, N601LG for its > maiden flight. What a thrill that was! Now its time for more flying, not > building (although I do need to paint it!). > > I've posted pictures at http://lancegingell.com/firstflight.asp ...more > updates will follow on this page over the coming days. > > Cheers, > ..lance (still grinning!) > > -- > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:11 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Inspection plates --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Saw some as are used on fabric aircraft.....fellow used the plastic/nylon rings glued to inside of inspection hole to provide a "lip" for the keepers on purchased plates. Seemed to work well, think he used epoxy on the rings. Since you won't be removing these on a daily basis it seems okay. Allow some room for the use of wrenches/ratchets, etc since you are free to decide on the placement of the holes. Zed/701/R912/90+%/etc do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:17 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Source for inspection plates --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL How about making them out of Lexan or plexiglass so you can peek inside with a flashlight for more frequent inspection? Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com wiring and stuff 601XL/Corvair in Nebraska doug kandle wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle I would like to put some inspection plates in my 701. --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:16 AM PST US From: EMAproducts@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AOA for Safety of Flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com John & Zenith builders/fliers: I haven't posted for a while, I wait until a thread is started then answer~~ John's message is shortened for the list. As many of you know, I produce an angle of attack system, the RiteAngle IIIb. This system is vane operated and has worked flawlessly on aircraft from Ultralights to 16,000# Borate Bombers to nearly all models of Lancair, RV, Europa, KitFox, Glasair and quite a few Zenith aircraft, one Zenith has been flying the system for at least 5 years. The only problem my customers have is with the setup of the system, it must be done by the book or it will not work, similar to a computer setup. I am now working with a Zenith customer who has a setup problem and trying to resolve it. The system is self testing so it even tells you what the basic problem is in an audio along with the flashing LED's. We correct for up to 6 positions of flaps which is mandatory if the AOA is accurate in all flap settings. When setup the system is flawless in operation Drop a line or e-mail after viewing our website www.riteangle.com Elbie Mendenhall EM Aviation, LLC ************ John Buttterfield's comments, which echo mine 1000%: One thing i have noticed is the lack of discussion regarding angle of attack instruments. If i had a choice between my airspeed indicator or my AOA failing, i would certainly choose the AOA as my primary speed indicator. After a few hours in our machines, we know about what the speed will be at any given power setting. When in the slow speed mode, the a/s indicator is fairly unreliable. the AOA is never wrong, (assuming is is set up correctly) it will always indicate the best speed for any weigth and atmospheric conditions. Actually, ater you get used to it, landing become very precise and at the proper speed. When i flew (USMC)in military aircraft, we usually added 10kts for the wife and 10 for each kid. Of coarse this is a joke, but landing at the proper speed is safer and much easier on the aircraft. Short field landings, are the norm (if desired). I only feel confident in giving advise to this group regarding the AOA. I am humbled by the knowledge you have regarding building and flying the Zenith products, I would put the AOA as the best insurance for safe flying. It works all the time and should be your primary stall waring devise in all aspects of flight. To those who have not used an AOA, take the time to try one out. To those who have, your opinions should be voiced. best regards to the group. john butterfield 601XL/corvair ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:12 AM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Source for inspection plates --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > You can use a fly cutter to cut them, why bother > looking all over creation. We cut them and the > doublers for our Glastar project. Put 8/32 nut > nut plates with counter sunk rivets on the doublers > can be put on with a rivet squeezer....B Sceppa > rjscep@yahoo.com --- doug kandle wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle > > > I would like to put some inspection plates in my > 701. Does anyone > know of a source where I can buy the doublers and > covers for > inspection plates. I know that they are simple > parts, but cutting > them by hand would be very time consuming. > > Doug Kandle > CH701 > Boise ID > Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done > From complete kit > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:59 AM PST US From: "john H" Subject: Zenith-List: Close Call --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" Hi List I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well and how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this weekend that has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend for a much needed get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my plane while I was gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of flying time and a graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown together for probably 10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane. When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a 4 lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure and was forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and the plane was not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out landing about a mile from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he said the engine sputtered and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it had to be electrical or a fuel problem. I was right. He had run the plane out of fuel. The wings had to be removed and put on a truck back to the airport. Unfortunately instead of disconnecting the wires and tubing, they just cut them. He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please make sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and flying probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone else fly my plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but this was just plain stupidity. John ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:37 AM PST US From: Steve Hulland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Close Call --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland John H, Sure glad it seems to have worked out well. The damage to both your plane and the "not very smart student" could have been horrible. Sometimes people are very stupid. On 9/19/05, john H wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" > > Hi List > > I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well > and > how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this weekend that > has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend for a much needed > get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my plane while I was > gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of flying time and a > graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown together for probably > 10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane. > > When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a 4 > lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure and > was > forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and the plane > was > not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out landing about a mile > from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he said the engine sputtered > and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it had to be electrical or a > fuel > problem. I was right. He had run the plane out of fuel. The wings had to > be > removed and put on a truck back to the airport. Unfortunately instead of > disconnecting the wires and tubing, they just cut them. > > He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm > reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please > make > sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and flying > probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone else fly > my > plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but this was just > plain stupidity. > John > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N601LG First Flight! From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Question for Lance...And congrats too....Larry is right you will never forget it...:) I notice you secured the top skin over the instruments with C/s screws...Good idea but did ZAC approve this mod?..I never seen this panel secured this way.. Comments? Sure would make instrument access easier. Frank HDS 378 hours, up for sale sometime during Phase 1 testing of my RV 7a...:) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:40 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Close Call From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Damn! Thanks for sharing John, I am at a complete loss how such a serious brain fart could occur...If the FAA finds out about this I bet they will be having a serious conversation with him. Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john H Subject: Zenith-List: Close Call --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" Hi List I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well and how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this weekend that has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend for a much needed get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my plane while I was gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of flying time and a graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown together for probably 10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane. When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a 4 lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure and was forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and the plane was not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out landing about a mile from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he said the engine sputtered and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it had to be electrical or a fuel problem. I was right. He had run the plane out of fuel. The wings had to be removed and put on a truck back to the airport. Unfortunately instead of disconnecting the wires and tubing, they just cut them. He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please make sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and flying probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone else fly my plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but this was just plain stupidity. John ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:49 AM PST US From: "Larry Bohannon" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Firewall . Skyshop or Zenith ?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" Thanks for all the advice. It looks like everybody agrees that the Skyshops kit is better. So.... I just ordered the 701 firewall fwd kit from Skyshops and I also ordered the seats, electric flap actuator and strut fairings. $6000 worth,dang, this building airplanes hobby sure gets expensive!! Wait a minute... didn't I order the COMPLETE kit from Zenith 2 years and 1200 hours ago?? and I still gotta buy the 912 engine, bubble doors, avionics etc.etc. Oh well, I'm having fun anyway, at least until the wife finds out. just hope this thing flys someday. Thanks for all ya'lls advice. Larry Bohannon Winder, Georgia ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:04 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N601LG First Flight! --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Larry McFarland's airplane is done this way also. "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Question for Lance...And congrats too....Larry is right you will never forget it...:) I notice you secured the top skin over the instruments with C/s screws...Good idea but did ZAC approve this mod?..I never seen this panel secured this way.. --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:02 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Firewall . Skyshop or Zenith ?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Larry, you really are going about this accounting business all wrong. I learned all this wisdom from my good friend and fellow XL builder, Mr. David C., "the Flying Accountant." Mr. David, who by the way, is also hangered there near you at Winder. First principal of airplane building accounting (ABA) is; "if you want it, you need it. If you need it, you should have it, Toys first!" Second, "you can't live forever (who would want to?) so why do without something you really, really need right now just to save money for that old age period." Lastly, "money spent for airplane stuff and things you really, really need is best kept confidential." Why worry your sweet and understanding wife about not having enough money to feed and clothe the children or spending their college fund when you have your heart set on buying and installing an Angle of Attack Indicator, Professional Model (retail @ Spruce for $1,478. as shown on Page 349) so you can zoom around just like our Navy carrier pilots even though you've been flying GA safely for a dozen years without one. Still, if you want it you need it. Right? Have fun and enjoy life and this plane building time. Sooner than you expect the building will be all over and you'll just have to fly everywhere you want, any time you want and what kind of fun it that ? Best regards and say hello to David when you see him, Bill ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:45 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Close Call --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Two words: Checklist trainning... One old local pilot said once, that the new cars are so "automatic" (even the lights turn on and off auto), new oils need no change until you service the car, engine thermostats, lifetime bateries, etc That are making people the "sit and go" style of driving... Remember when we used to check the oil, the battery and radiator water level, every saturday, Tube tires need to check the pressure every fill up, Now the cars need no warming in the morning (maybe in North USA or Canada)... Etc. This has a big impact in young flyers, we need to force them (as well as all of us, of course) to do the CORRECT and COMPLETE preflight and checklist(s) everytime we fly, just as the Instructor used to train us and force us in school... Congratulations for you and your pilot, Just got a "new" airplane. Saludos Gary Gower. john H wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" Hi List I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well and how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this weekend that has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend for a much needed get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my plane while I was gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of flying time and a graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown together for probably 10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane. When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a 4 lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure and was forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and the plane was not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out landing about a mile from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he said the engine sputtered and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it had to be electrical or a fuel problem. I was right. He had run the plane out of fuel. The wings had to be removed and put on a truck back to the airport. Unfortunately instead of disconnecting the wires and tubing, they just cut them. He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please make sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and flying probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone else fly my plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but this was just plain stupidity. John ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:24 PM PST US From: "Johann G." Subject: Zenith-List: Check list. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." Hello Gary and list members. Speaking about a check list. Does anyone have a check list for the Zenith 701? I would like to see what you have made for your plane. Am working on one for myself, and any input would be appreciated. Best regards, Johann G. Iceland. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Gower" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Close Call > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > Two words: Checklist trainning... > > One old local pilot said once, that the new cars are so "automatic" (even the lights turn on and off auto), new oils need no change until you service the car, engine thermostats, lifetime bateries, etc > That are making people the "sit and go" style of driving... Remember when we used to check the oil, the battery and radiator water level, every saturday, Tube tires need to check the pressure every fill up, Now the cars need no warming in the morning (maybe in North USA or Canada)... Etc. > > This has a big impact in young flyers, we need to force them (as well as all of us, of course) to do the CORRECT and COMPLETE preflight and checklist(s) everytime we fly, just as the Instructor used to train us and force us in school... > > Congratulations for you and your pilot, Just got a "new" airplane. > > Saludos > Gary Gower. > > john H wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" > > > Hi List > > I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well and > how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this weekend that > has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend for a much needed > get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my plane while I was > gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of flying time and a > graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown together for probably > 10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane. > > When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a 4 > lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure and was > forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and the plane was > not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out landing about a mile > from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he said the engine sputtered > and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it had to be electrical or a fuel > problem. I was right. He had run the plane out of fuel. The wings had to be > removed and put on a truck back to the airport. Unfortunately instead of > disconnecting the wires and tubing, they just cut them. > > He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm > reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please make > sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and flying > probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone else fly my > plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but this was just > plain stupidity. > John > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:41 PM PST US From: fred sanford Subject: Zenith-List: re: checklist --> Zenith-List message posted by: fred sanford Johann and list members: The Czech Aircraft Works has a pilot handbook. I have part of it - item 8. three pages about periodic maintenance, 25 hour checks etc. Sure would like to have the preceeding 7 items. Been looking on the web, but can't find it. Does anyone have it?? do not archive Fred Sanford N9701 2 hours ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:41 PM PST US From: szewc@direcway.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Check list. --> Zenith-List message posted by: szewc@direcway.com Johann, Here is what I put together for checklists. I have the 912ULS in mine. N701SZ Checklists Pre-flight q Key is Off q Turn Master ON q Verify Fuel level q Verify Voltage level q Check position lights, strobe lights, landing and taxi lights q Turn Master OFF q Note Hobbs time in flight log q Check interior for neatness q Check fuel line connection points q Fuel Selector on proper fuel tanks q Underneath airplane for oil or fuel leaks q Left wing condition, and flaperon/slat security q Left main tire, brakes, gear q Left fuselage for condition q Stabilizer condition and security q Elevator condition, hinges, trim tab, and turnbuckle security q Rudder condition, hinges, position light, and turnbuckle security q Right fuselage for condition q Right main tire, brakes, and gear q Right wing condition, and flaperon/slat security q Nose wheel condition q Propeller condition q Remove cowling top q Remove Oil filler cap q Rotate propeller counter clockwise as facing airplane from front, continue rotating until gurgling sound is heard from oil reservoir q Remove oil dipstick from reservoir to check oil level, add if necessary and note in log q Ensure coolant expansion reservoir is approximately half full q Engine and components for general condition and loose hardware q Replace cowling q Add or remove duct tape from oil/water cooler depending on expected temperatures q Check Fuel at drain points for debris and water Startup q Baggage is stowed q Seat belts are fastened q Check fuel selector is in proper position for fuel tanks q MASTER ON q ALT ON q START POWER ON q CLEAR PROP (check propwash area) q CHOKE (if cold) q Turn Key fully clockwise until propeller is turning q Engine starts, release tension on key q Check engine gauges (oil pressure, voltage, indicators) q If choke is used, slowly remove choke q Warm engine @ 2500 RPM q Program GPS while engine warms q Taxi when oil temperature gauge shows some temperature Taxi q Check brakes q Make sure taxi area is clear q Call for taxi clearance or announce intentions q Taxi to run-up area Run-up q Set engine to 4000 RPM q Verify engine gauges q Check left and right magnetos (no more than 150 RPM drop with 50 RPM D q Check idle+ q Set Altimeter q Ensure oil temp >120 q Check fuel selector is set on proper tanks Take off q Position lights q Strobe lights q Transponder ALT 1200 q Clearance from tower or Call intentions q Check for traffic and take active runway (if clear) Climb out q Set climb 55 MPH Vy (no obstacles) q Set climb 45 MPH Vx (clear obstacles) q Scan instruments regularly for o Airspeed o Oil pressure o Oil temp o Water temp Cruise q Every 15 minutes o Oil pressure o Oil temp o Water temp o Voltage o Fuel level o Indicator lights o Fuel selector Pre-landing q Check fuel selector is on tanks with most fuel q Set pattern speed to 80mph q Taxi/Landing lights (if necessary) Clear runway q Strobes off q Nav lights off q Transponder off q Contact Ground control or notify clear of runway Engine shut down q Taxi/Landing lights off q Avionics switch off q Pull throttle all the way idle q Turn key slowly mag 1 off, mag 2 off, key off q Turn off start power, Alt, Master > Speaking about a check list. Does anyone have a check list for the > Zenith701? ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:54 PM PST US From: "William J. Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance --> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darin McLEAN" Subject: Zenith-List: CH601 HDS with Jabiru 2200 performance Darin- I'm also considering a 2200 in an HDS, and contacted JabiruUS. First, I wanted to know why a firewall forward package wasn't offered on their website. Pete got back to me and said it was an oversight- yes, it is available. Second, I asked whether the numbers you can find on the Zenith website claiming a 95 SMPH cruise were accurate. He suggested I check out Cletis Lamm's site at c.lamm@insightbb.com for real-world numbers with a 2200 installed in an HD. I originally was going to go with a Subaru installation, but with all the overheating problems posted (I've driven Subarus for years and continually have to replace thermostats) and the added complexity of a redrive, I decided to check out other options. I still have time to make up my mind. But- they must sell Jabirus down under for half of what you pay up here if it's "Very affordable" for you! There's someone selling a 0 time chromed O-235 Lycoming in this month's Sport Aviation for $7000! Or was selling- it's probably history by now. As far as fairings are concerned- I haven't yet met or corresponded with anyone building an HDS that hasn't plugged up the holes CH left flapping in the wind near the centerline of the elevator. Don't be afraid to build what you need yourself. (I'm speaking cosmetic touches here- build to the prints for everything else). Finally, if it weren't for Larry Mac, I would have quit long ago. Just don't expect painting tips from him. Basement, Igor, and don't forget the drill battery pack this time! Bill 601HDS/? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Darin McLEAN" > > Hi everyone, > > I'm just starting the rudder for a CH601HDS. > I will be using a Jabiru 2200 85hp engine. > Does anyone have any performance specifications for this setup and if so > please let us know. > > Building this kit with this engine is very affordable for me!! > > Also I noticed the rudder control horn doesnt come with the rudder kit. > Can anyone explain this and how it gets attached later? Also the internal > fairing for the lower part of the rudder isnt supplied with the rudder > kit??? > > Cheers, > Darin McLEAN > Sydney, AUSTRALIA > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:50 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Money and Toys. Do not archive!!!! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Here we have a more cruel way to hangar talk about the hard working and retirement money: Where do you want YUR hard erned money "invested"? Now In your toys (our case airplanes) or later when you die, in shoes on your daughter in law's mothers feet? ;-) Yes, I also think this is really MEAN!! :-) :-) Sorry. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Larry, you really are going about this accounting business all wrong. I learned all this wisdom from my good friend and fellow XL builder, Mr. David C., "the Flying Accountant." Mr. David, who by the way, is also hangered there near you at Winder. First principal of airplane building accounting (ABA) is; "if you want it, you need it. If you need it, you should have it, Toys first!" Second, "you can't live forever (who would want to?) so why do without something you really, really need right now just to save money for that old age period." Lastly, "money spent for airplane stuff and things you really, really need is best kept confidential." Why worry your sweet and understanding wife about not having enough money to feed and clothe the children or spending their college fund when you have your heart set on buying and installing an Angle of Attack Indicator, Professional Model (retail @ Spruce for $1,478. as shown on Page 349) so you can zoom around just like our Navy carrier pilots even though you've been flying GA safely for a dozen years without one. Still, if you want it you need it. Right? Have fun and enjoy life and this plane building time. Sooner than you expect the building will be all over and you'll just have to fly everywhere you want, any time you want and what kind of fun it that ? Best regards and say hello to David when you see him, Bill ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:24 PM PST US From: "Matt & Jo" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Attach brackets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" Thanks Larry, I got a reply from ZAC. (not bad within 24 hrs) and said: The reason for the increase in thickness was for the LSA to help reduce the wear on the busing 6B2-8. The parts shown in the 2nd edition of the XL drawings do not have to be changed. Ref. 6B2-7 edge distance of 8mm is good with material thickness t=.125" Do not archive Matt www.zodiacxl.com > Matt, > The upper rudder hinge for the purpose of pivot, is not going to get 2D > edge distance on this part. I don't think > it's critical because the rudder doesn't load like structural > connections of most other pieces. The > added thickness is probably a good thing for the sake of wear, > disassembly etc. My drawing shows the same > condition. > > Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:50 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Check list. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Yes Johann, I made one, (in spanish), is a "Pilot Manual" and "Check list" in one. I will translate it to english and send it to you in a few days, What you like? Word *.doc or Adobe *. pdf format? We need one for the paperwork for the register number. Saludos Gary Gower. "Johann G." wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." Hello Gary and list members. Speaking about a check list. Does anyone have a check list for the Zenith 701? I would like to see what you have made for your plane. Am working on one for myself, and any input would be appreciated. Best regards, Johann G. Iceland. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Gower" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Close Call > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > Two words: Checklist trainning... > > One old local pilot said once, that the new cars are so "automatic" (even the lights turn on and off auto), new oils need no change until you service the car, engine thermostats, lifetime bateries, etc > That are making people the "sit and go" style of driving... Remember when we used to check the oil, the battery and radiator water level, every saturday, Tube tires need to check the pressure every fill up, Now the cars need no warming in the morning (maybe in North USA or Canada)... Etc. > > This has a big impact in young flyers, we need to force them (as well as all of us, of course) to do the CORRECT and COMPLETE preflight and checklist(s) everytime we fly, just as the Instructor used to train us and force us in school... > > Congratulations for you and your pilot, Just got a "new" airplane. > > Saludos > Gary Gower. > > john H wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" > > > Hi List > > I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well and > how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this weekend that > has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend for a much needed > get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my plane while I was > gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of flying time and a > graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown together for probably > 10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane. > > When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a 4 > lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure and was > forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and the plane was > not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out landing about a mile > from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he said the engine sputtered > and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it had to be electrical or a fuel > problem. I was right. He had run the plane out of fuel. The wings had to be > removed and put on a truck back to the airport. Unfortunately instead of > disconnecting the wires and tubing, they just cut them. > > He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm > reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please make > sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and flying > probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone else fly my > plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but this was just > plain stupidity. > John > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:15 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Check list. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" Here is mine for a Jab 2200. Chuck D. N701TX N701TX Checklist Pre-flight inspection: Check Mag switches: L and R - OFF Master switch -ON, check fuel gauges Record Hobbs time. Master switch - OFF Control lock - REMOVE Fuel valve (1 of 2) - ON Drain gascolator and all drain valves. Fuel valves (both) - OFF Air intake cover - REMOVE Check cowl fasteners, check spinner, and prop. Visually check fuel quantity. Pitot tube - REMOVE cover and check. Check front wing attachment points. Upper forward strut attachment, slats, and wing tip. Flaperon hinges, rear strut attachment, flaperon control and rear wing attachment. Landing gear condition, attachments, brakes, and tires. Stabilizer, trim tab, elevator and rudder hinges, cables and attachments, and control stops. Antennae. Continue walk around inspecting both sides. Cold Engine Start: Throttle (closed) - OUT TO STOP Choke on - PULL Pull propeller through 3 revolutions by hand. N701TX Checklist Before starting engine: Fasten and check safety belts. Close and lock doors. Check fuses (9) - IN Operate controls and make a visual check. Check brakes. Starting engine: Fuel valve (1 of 2) - ON Throttle (closed) - OUT TO STOP Choke on (only for cold engine) - PULL Master switch - ON Mag switches: L and R - ON Fuel boost for 10 sec - ON then OFF Turn starter key: max 20 sec, then cooling for 1 min. Check oil pressure - within first 5 sec. Choke off (close after start) - PUSH Set RPM to 1200. Radio, strobe and other switches - ON Warm-up and ground test: Start warm-up period at 1200 RPM. Continue at 2000 RPM until the oil temperature is 50 C. Set RPM to 2000 for magneto check. Drop < 100 RPM. Difference between L and R < 50. Check carb heat: PULL ON - PUSH OFF DO NOT apply full power until CHT reaches 212 F. DO NOT allow CHT to rise above 356 F during ground running. N701TX Checklist Before take-off: Set altimeter. Set elevator trim to center. Check radio and other switches - ON Flaps - UP (handle back) Check freedom and deflection of controls. Check that doors are locked. Check safety belts. Check choke off - PUSH Check fuel valve (1 of 2) - ON Take-off: Release brakes. Set throttle gradually to full. Check RPM and gauges. Pull stick slightly back. Climb: Cruise climb: 60 mph. Best rate of climb: 46 mph, flaps up. Best angle of climb: 35 mph, flaps. Check temperatures and pressures. Cruise: Cruise is achieved at 2750 - 2800 RPM. Maneuvering speed: 71 mph Descent: 2000 RPM to prevent rapid cooling (46 to 58 mph). Carb heat on - PULL N701TX Checklist Approach: Throttle back, 50-60 mph. Flaps as required below 60 mph. Landing: Touchdown main wheels first. Lower nose wheel gently. Cross wind landings: Approach with one wing low, or use crabbing, or combination. Straighten the aircraft/nose wheel just before touchdown. Missed landing: Full power. Carb heat off - PUSH Raise flaps above 46 mph. Shut down (engine): Allow engine to cool. Switches - OFF L mag - OFF (note rpm drop) R mag - OFF Master switch - OFF Fuel valves (both) - OFF Master key - REMOVE Engine failure/forced landing: Set airspeed for best rate of descent 52 mph, flaps up. Fuel valves (both) - OFF Mag switches: L and R - OFF Master switch - OFF Tighten safety belts. Fuel Stick Readings 5.5 = 7 gal total 13 = 10.8 gal total ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johann G." Subject: Zenith-List: Check list. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." > > Hello Gary and list members. > > Speaking about a check list. Does anyone have a check list for the Zenith > 701? > I would like to see what you have made for your plane. Am working on one for > myself, and any input would be appreciated. > > Best regards, > Johann G. > Iceland. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Gower" > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Close Call > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > > > Two words: Checklist trainning... > > > > One old local pilot said once, that the new cars are so "automatic" (even > the lights turn on and off auto), new oils need no change until you service > the car, engine thermostats, lifetime bateries, etc > > That are making people the "sit and go" style of driving... Remember > when we used to check the oil, the battery and radiator water level, every > saturday, Tube tires need to check the pressure every fill up, Now the > cars need no warming in the morning (maybe in North USA or Canada)... Etc. > > > > This has a big impact in young flyers, we need to force them (as well as > all of us, of course) to do the CORRECT and COMPLETE preflight and > checklist(s) everytime we fly, just as the Instructor used to train us and > force us in school... > > > > Congratulations for you and your pilot, Just got a "new" airplane. > > > > Saludos > > Gary Gower. > > > > john H wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" > > > > > > Hi List > > > > I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well > and > > how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this weekend that > > has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend for a much needed > > get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my plane while I was > > gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of flying time and a > > graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown together for probably > > 10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane. > > > > When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a 4 > > lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure and > was > > forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and the plane > was > > not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out landing about a mile > > from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he said the engine sputtered > > and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it had to be electrical or a > fuel > > problem. I was right. He had run the plane out of fuel. The wings had to > be > > removed and put on a truck back to the airport. Unfortunately instead of > > disconnecting the wires and tubing, they just cut them. > > > > He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm > > reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please > make > > sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and flying > > probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone else fly > my > > plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but this was just > > plain stupidity. > > John > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:05 PM PST US From: "Larry" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Firewall . Skyshop or Zenith ?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" Get your bubble doors from SkyShops too. They are about 1/2 price of Zenith's. I like the full view you get with Zenith doors, but that's all. The SkyShop doors are half and half. The SkyShop doors are a better deal, they come with gas shocks. Zenith uses a suckion cup to hold the doors open. Another thing to consider is that SkyShop uses Lexan whereas Zenith use plexaglass. I like Lexan better for doors because it has some flex in it, plexagass is brittle and cracks easy. Lexan scatches easier, but, it will stop a speeding bullet. If I had to do it over, I'd go with SkyShops. Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bohannon" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Firewall . Skyshop or Zenith ?? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" > > Thanks for all the advice. It looks like everybody agrees that the > Skyshops kit is better. So.... I just ordered the 701 firewall fwd kit > from Skyshops and I also ordered the seats, electric flap actuator and > strut fairings. $6000 worth,dang, this building airplanes hobby sure gets > expensive!! Wait a minute... didn't I order the COMPLETE kit from Zenith 2 > years and 1200 hours ago?? and I still gotta buy the 912 engine, bubble > doors, avionics etc.etc. Oh well, I'm having fun anyway, at least until > the wife finds out. just hope this thing flys someday. Thanks for all > ya'lls advice. > Larry Bohannon > Winder, Georgia > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:13 PM PST US From: "john H" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Close Call --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" Hi Frank The FAA was notified. They were more impressed that he made a safe landing and no one was hurt. The only thing they suggested was not to rely on the fuel gauge and always stick the tank.. I have the sight gauge which is real accurate on the ground but does bounce during flight. I've never had a problem running out or low on fuel. I also have checklists which were not used this time. The more I think about what happened, the more pissed off I get. I don't understand how someone could be so negligent especially with his hours of flying and the education he has. He still doesn't get how serious this mistake was and is more focused on his piloting skills in making such a great emergency landing. >From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Close Call >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:27:11 -0700 > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > >Damn! > >Thanks for sharing John, I am at a complete loss how such a serious >brain fart could occur...If the FAA finds out about this I bet they will >be having a serious conversation with him. > >Frank > >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john H >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Close Call > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" > >Hi List > >I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well >and how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this >weekend that has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend >for a much needed get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my >plane while I was gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of >flying time and a graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown >together for probably >10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane. > >When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a >4 lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure >and was forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and >the plane was not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out >landing about a mile from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he >said the engine sputtered and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it >had to be electrical or a fuel problem. I was right. He had run the >plane out of fuel. The wings had to be removed and put on a truck back >to the airport. Unfortunately instead of disconnecting the wires and >tubing, they just cut them. > >He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm >reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please >make sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and >flying probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone >else fly my plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but >this was just plain stupidity. >John > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:58 PM PST US From: "Trell & Amy Hall" Subject: Zenith-List: Fly In Saturday --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trell & Amy Hall" EAA Chapter 731 Fly-in at Morganton Lenoir airport in NC is on Saturday September 24th 15 Awards Will be give to the top planes Hope to see some 601's and some 701's there Here is a link to our web site for more info www.eaa731.org Trell Have not started no muney on time but like to fly ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:26 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Money and Toys. Do not archive!!!! --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Gary, you said it all with that proverb, best regards, Bill ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:15 PM PST US From: "royt.or@netzero.com" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: N601LG First Flight! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" Lance. Congratulations. Building was a wonderful adventure. I expect that you will find flying even better. I look forward to sharing the sky with N601LG. Frank - N601RT has CS #8 torx head screws securing the top forward skin. Zenair approved this using nutplates and with the same spacing as the plans documented rivets. ==100 nutplates! You probably did not notice this on my plane because you were concerned about all the extra $tuff I put in the panel, or because N601RT sucks fuel to the firewall through a fuel selector valve, fuel filter and fuel flow transducer from a wing locker tank or either of the leading edge tanks. ;-) Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 465hrs, 566 landings Lance. Congratulations. Building was a wonderful adventure. I expect that you will find flying even better. I look forward to sharing the sky with N601LG. Frank - N601RT has CS #8 torx head screws securing the top forward skin. Zenair approved this using nutplates and with the same spacing as the plans documented rivets. ==100 nutplates! You probably did not notice this on my plane because you were concerned about all the extra $tuff I put in the panel, or because N601RT sucks fuel to the firewall through a fuel selector valve, fuel filter and fuel flow transducer from a wing locker tank or either of the leading edge tanks. ;-) Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 465hrs,566 landings ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:58 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Close Call... Gift of Wings. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Professor, With all my respect, Just a short advise (of course do what you decide) Tell him to build his own airplane... Excess of confidence is the biggest danger in aviation, and sadly bright kids got LOTS of it... Also, Remember him, like Richard Bach said in one of the chapters in his book "Gift of Wings" something like this: (Not exactly, not reading it, but got deep inside my brain) (He compared very seroiusly Aviation with Religion) (Also I read it in Spanish) "Aviation will kill you without merci if you brake the Law..." "No fair trail". Well this is the message I got in that books chapter, I read the book several years ago, and several times... and still remeber lots of chapters, If you find the book, give it to him as a night reading, you read it first and will enjoy most of it. Each chapter is a complete history... Check in Amazon the "Spotlight Reviews" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0440204321/103-6931873-9041457?v=glance Disclamer: I dont sell Amazon Books or recieve a share... :-) :-) Saludos Gary Gower. john H wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" Hi Frank The FAA was notified. They were more impressed that he made a safe landing and no one was hurt. The only thing they suggested was not to rely on the fuel gauge and always stick the tank.. I have the sight gauge which is real accurate on the ground but does bounce during flight. I've never had a problem running out or low on fuel. I also have checklists which were not used this time. The more I think about what happened, the more pissed off I get. I don't understand how someone could be so negligent especially with his hours of flying and the education he has. He still doesn't get how serious this mistake was and is more focused on his piloting skills in making such a great emergency landing. >From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Close Call >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:27:11 -0700 > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > >Damn! > >Thanks for sharing John, I am at a complete loss how such a serious >brain fart could occur...If the FAA finds out about this I bet they will >be having a serious conversation with him. > >Frank > >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john H >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Close Call > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" > >Hi List > >I have 105hrs on my 601HD. I was going to write a report about how well >and how much fun the plane is to fly, but something happened this >weekend that has kind of shook me up. I went out of town this weekend >for a much needed get away. I left my key so that a friend could fly my >plane while I was gone. He is a young man with several hundred hours of >flying time and a graduate of an Aeronuatical university. We had flown >together for probably >10-15 hrs so he was familiar with the plane. > >When I got home Sun. I saw a picture of my plane in the local paper on a >4 lane highway with a headline saying the plane had an engine failure >and was forced to land on the highway. Thankfully no one was hurt and >the plane was not damaged. He actually made a remarkable engine out >landing about a mile from the runway. When I got up with the pilot he >said the engine sputtered and quit and he didn't know why. I figured it >had to be electrical or a fuel problem. I was right. He had run the >plane out of fuel. The wings had to be removed and put on a truck back >to the airport. Unfortunately instead of disconnecting the wires and >tubing, they just cut them. > >He and his passenger were very lucky, and I am pretty lucky too. I'm >reporting this to say be careful who you let fly your plane, and please >make sure you check your fuel before leaving. I will be back up and >flying probably by the end of the week but I'm not sure I'll let anyone >else fly my plane again unless I'm with them. I know stuff happens, but >this was just plain stupidity. >John > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:20 PM PST US From: "Bob Tezyk" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 2 piece canopy , 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Tezyk" Last year, I had the pleasure of flying in a 601XL with a 2 piece canopy that was for sale. A year later, I would have to assume that it was sold. You may be able to track down the current owner provided the tail number did not change. I liked the safety factor of a fixed wind screen, should the canopy depart. It also made for easy entry and exit. The craftsmanship was very good and the design was cleverly done. I chose not to buy it, in part, because of what appeared to be the additional weight added by the canopy and what I perceived to be a need to add additional stiffening to the frame, thus adding more weight. I took some pictures with my cell phone camera and I have posted them on my community website. They are not very good but it will give you a feel for how one fellow did it. The link is: http://www.eaglesnestestates.org/601xl-jm/ The current plan is to build a 601XL fast build some time next year when the hangar is plumbed and wired completely. Regards, Bob Tezyk Midlothian, TX mailto:bob@eaglesnestestates.org http://www.eaglesnestestates.org do not archive ________________________________ _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:14 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 2 piece canopy , 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Rick: I have been planning this same idea for some time now. When I get my engine installed and running I plan to incorporate a combination forward tilt / sliding canopy. Stay tuned to www.cooknwithgas.com for details. Scott Laughlin 601XL / Corvair Wiring panel and working on engine. Rick Tedford wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Tedford" Hello Listers : Has anybody seen or know of a 2 pce. canopy design for the 601 . --------------------------------- ________________________________ _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:08 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 2 piece canopy , 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" Could you build in a rollover protection bar immediately behind and above the passengers' heads that the canopy would rest on when closed? It should only be a weight issue since it would be very near the CG. If strong enough to work as a roll bar, it would also be a convenient site to anchor the harnesses and provide a handhold for entry and exit. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Tedford" Subject: Zenith-List: 2 piece canopy , 601