---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/23/05: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:56 AM - real world cruise numbers (Rick Framil) 2. 05:08 AM - Re: Hanging completed parts (John) 3. 05:12 AM - Re: Kit Inventorying and Storage Questions (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 4. 06:30 AM - Re: Re: Hanging completed parts (Clyde Barcus) 5. 07:37 AM - Re: real world cruise numbers (Darin McLEAN) 6. 08:56 AM - storage (mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net) 7. 09:40 AM - Re: Kit Inventorying and Storage Questions (Dave Gardea) 8. 10:09 AM - Re: real world cruise numbers (Thilo Kind) 9. 11:17 AM - Re: real world cruise numbers (Fred Kirkland) 10. 11:48 AM - painting (john butterfield) 11. 11:52 AM - Re: real world cruise numbers (Leo Gates) 12. 12:23 PM - Re: painting (Thilo Kind) 13. 02:36 PM - Re: real world cruise numbers (Jim and Lucy) 14. 06:00 PM - Re: painting (Jack Russell) 15. 09:34 PM - 701 with A65 engine (Dave and Pam Fisher) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:22 AM PST US From: "Rick Framil" Subject: Zenith-List: real world cruise numbers --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Framil" Hello all, I was wondering if anyone would be willing to post there real world top cruise numbers and what engine they were using. Thanks Rick ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:16 AM PST US From: "John" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Hanging completed parts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" Dave, I've got my rudder and stabilizer -elevator assembly hanging along one wall of my shop. Having a metal building, there are not really any good solutions for putting up things like pegboard. I had a couple of panels of metal display grids- 2ftx4ft wire panels 6ft high with 3" spacingof the grid. Use long pegs like pegboard hooks. Having extra 4" wide carpet strips from remnants, I made long loops to go around the parts and fastened to some scrap wood strips that fit over the pegs. Works pretty good. I also reused the kraft paper to cover the hanging parts to keep dust off them. Picts available if my description is hard to understand. John ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:53 AM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Kit Inventorying and Storage Questions --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net I kept my parts wrapped until I was ready to use them, the paper helps prevent scratches. One of the two rolls of aluminum is probably the large sheets for the rear fuselage and the other is probably the upper and lower rear wing skins. These can be stored rolled but be carefull when unrolling them, they tend to spring back to their flat state with some speed. Make sure the storage area is not going to be damp, 6061 is corrosion resistant not corrosion proof. It should be safe to hang completed parts on a wall. When I finished my first wing, I wrapped it in paper and suspended it nose down with several pieces of rope tied around it with pieces of heavy cardboard between the rope and wing at the bottom to spread the load. This gave me the room to work on my second wing. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" > > A few questions regarding inventorying and storing: > * I assume you need to unwrap things to check part numbers against > your inventory list. Is it best to re-wrap before storing to provide added > protection (especially the sheet aluminum)? > * There are two rolls of flat aluminum sheet, approx. 3=92 to 3=92 3=94 > wide. They are not marked on the outside wrapping, like many of the other > items. Any idea what these are, and can they be stored this way or do I > need to unroll them? > * Does anyone have a good technique for safely hanging smaller > completed components, such as the rudder, on a pegboard wall? I have some > space where I could hang my rudder, and eventually the rest of the tail > feathers, but I don=92t know a safe way to do this > > Thanks in advance. > > Dave Van Lanen > Madison, WI > 601 XL =96 garage conversion to workshop complete, builder=92s workshop > complete, rudder complete, starting on work table > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:19 AM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Hanging completed parts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" I made brackets out of 1" square tube and attached them to the ceiling above the garage door which is 7 foot wide, the rudder, stabilizer, ailerons, flaps and elevators are stored there and there is still room left. The small parts are stored in three boxes on a shelf under the 4 x 12 foot table I built for this purpose, large items, spars, nose skins, etc. were stored on the floor under the bench and flat stock is against the wall behind the work bench. I have a two car garage and I have plenty of room to work on my project. Regards: Clyde Barcus 601XL, Corvair Powered ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Hanging completed parts > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" > > Dave, I've got my rudder and stabilizer -elevator assembly hanging along > one wall of my shop. Having a metal building, there are not really any > good solutions for putting up things like pegboard. I had a couple of > panels of metal display grids- 2ftx4ft wire panels 6ft high with 3" > spacingof the grid. Use long pegs like pegboard hooks. Having extra 4" > wide carpet strips from remnants, I made long loops to go around the parts > and fastened to some scrap wood strips that fit over the pegs. Works > pretty good. I also reused the kraft paper to cover the hanging parts to > keep dust off them. Picts available if my description is hard to > understand. > John > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:17 AM PST US From: "Darin McLEAN" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: real world cruise numbers --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Darin McLEAN" This is the most comprehensive list of performance specifications I have seen compiled, so far. Would be great if everyone could let us know then get it added to this site. http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/performance.htm Darin (just started the rudder kit) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Framil" Subject: Zenith-List: real world cruise numbers > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Framil" > > Hello all, > I was wondering if anyone would be willing to post there real world top > cruise numbers and what engine they were using. > Thanks > Rick > > > -- > > -- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:56 AM PST US From: "mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net" Subject: Zenith-List: storage --> Zenith-List message posted by: "mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net" I took the plywood and 2x4s from the 601XL shipping box and made a 4x12 tray, the depth of a 2x4. 3 strap hinges secured it to the wall approx waist high. 3 large eye screws along the edge and 3 large eye screws on the wall (located in the studs. Place all flat sheet metal in tray. Fold up against the wall and secure eye to eye with rope or clips. Mike, 601XL from kit, N445ML, WW corvair powered Prescott Valley, AZ I took the plywood and 2x4s from the 601XL shipping box and made a 4x12 tray, the depth of a 2x4. 3 strap hinges secured it to the wall approx waist high. 3 large eye screws along the edge and 3 large eye screws on the wall (located in the studs. Place all flat sheet metal in tray. Fold up against the wall and secure eye to eye with rope or clips. Mike, 601XL from kit, N445ML, WW corvair powered Prescott Valley, AZ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:18 AM PST US From: Dave Gardea Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Kit Inventorying and Storage Questions --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dave Gardea Dave, I recently hung my completed horiz stab and elevator assembly from the garage ceiling using hooks and one inch wide web straps. This worked well for me. Here's a pic http://dgardea.mybesthost.com/images/P9030496.JPG Regards, Dave Gardea 601XL / Corvair - tail done, working on wings & disassembling 110 core http://dgardea.mybesthost.com do not archive On 9/23/05, bryanmmartin@comcast.net wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net > > I kept my parts wrapped until I was ready to use them, the paper helps > prevent scratches. > > One of the two rolls of aluminum is probably the large sheets for the rear > fuselage and the other is probably the upper and lower rear wing skins. > These can be stored rolled but be carefull when unrolling them, they tend to > spring back to their flat state with some speed. > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:36 AM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: real world cruise numbers --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Hi Rick et all, my CH 601 HDS with Rotax 912 cruises at 115 mph at 4,900 RPM and approx. 75 % throttle. Still trying to find the best setting for the prop at WOT, but believe, that speed > 125 mph is easily possible. Prop is in-flight adjustable Woodcomb (3 blades) Empty weight is 650 lbs Tricycle gear - no wheel pants Happy flying Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Framil" Subject: Zenith-List: real world cruise numbers > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Framil" > > Hello all, > I was wondering if anyone would be willing to post there real world top > cruise numbers and what engine they were using. > Thanks > Rick > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:41 AM PST US From: "Fred Kirkland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: real world cruise numbers --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred Kirkland" Jackie Johnson is listed on the page as having an NSI EA-82. Does anyone know how I could contact him? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:33 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: painting --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield Hi list i am working on my fuse and hope to start putting things together in a few months. i intend to paint the aircraft white with some other colors for trim and eye appeal my question is as follows. i have a place and a preson to help paint the differnet sections which will not interfere with my building what is are your comments on painting the parts before final assembly. due to my somewhat heavy handed building skills, i am likely to scrach the finish, but i would try and be careful is it likely that the final assembley will not destroy to much of the painting. are there certain parts that could be painted and wait on the others? what do you think? regards john butterfield 601XL ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:51 AM PST US From: "Leo Gates" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: real world cruise numbers --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" CH601HDS, Taildragger. Rotax 912UL, Magnum 2 blade 68" in-flight adjustable Ivoprop. No wheel pants. 674# empty weight. 120 MPH, Full Throttle, 5500 RPM - 5.0 GPH 102 MPH, 27.2", 5000 RPM - 3.8 GPH 92 MPH, 26.5", 4800 RPM - 3.4 GPH 85 MPH, 26.0", 4300 RPM - 2.6 GPH Leo Gates N601Z -------Original Message------- From: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: real world cruise numbers --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Framil" Hello all, I was wondering if anyone would be willing to post there real world top cruise numbers and what engine they were using. Thanks Rick ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:13 PM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: painting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Hi John, I suggest to paint the airplane after the first flights - you WILL find some things that need to be changed, which in turn will impact the paint job. Thilo Kind Wetaher looks good for tomorrow - looks like a few more hours flying my CH 601 HDS ----- Original Message ----- From: "john butterfield" Subject: Zenith-List: painting > --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield > > Hi list > i am working on my fuse and hope to start putting > things together in a few months. i intend to paint > the aircraft white with some other colors for trim and > eye appeal > > my question is as follows. > > i have a place and a preson to help paint the > differnet sections which will not interfere with my > building > > what is are your comments on painting the parts before > final assembly. due to my somewhat heavy handed > building skills, i am likely to scrach the finish, but > i would try and be careful > > is it likely that the final assembley will not destroy > to much of the painting. are there certain parts that > could be painted and wait on the others? > > what do you think? > > regards > john butterfield > 601XL > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:17 PM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: real world cruise numbers --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy At 02:16 PM 9/23/2005, you wrote: >Jackie Johnson An old email address I have for him is Jackie Johnson zoejohnson@juno.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:16 PM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: painting --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell John: I intended to paint the zodiac myself and even bought $700 worth of flame red imron and primer ect.( which is for sale if it can be shipped). I then decided to move about 150miles away and ran out of time or the place to paint. I took the pieces to Macco (yes the auto paint guys) and had them do it. The whole thing was $1900 and the job looks great. I will start to put it together soon and I will let you know if it was a mistake to paint first. I just moved and I have dial up internet until Thursday but I will post the paint pictures as soon as possible. Jack in Los Osos Ca john butterfield wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield Hi list i am working on my fuse and hope to start putting things together in a few months. i intend to paint the aircraft white with some other colors for trim and eye appeal my question is as follows. i have a place and a preson to help paint the differnet sections which will not interfere with my building what is are your comments on painting the parts before final assembly. due to my somewhat heavy handed building skills, i am likely to scrach the finish, but i would try and be careful is it likely that the final assembley will not destroy to much of the painting. are there certain parts that could be painted and wait on the others? what do you think? regards john butterfield 601XL ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:39 PM PST US From: Dave and Pam Fisher Subject: Zenith-List: 701 with A65 engine --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dave and Pam Fisher Hi brad & list, I've got an A65 which I've converted to an A80 mounted on my 701. I'm not in the air yet, ( 90% and holding). What were you curious about and where are you located ? Dave @ Gering , Nebraska, 308-783-1035 >Time: 08:55:28 AM PST US >From: Brad Larson >Subject: Zenith-List: Any 701s with A65 engine > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brad Larson > >Subject it all.... > >Brad Larson >N701CE > > >________________________________ Message >8 _____________________________________