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1. 05:31 AM - Re: fuel gauge (N5SL)
2. 06:09 AM - Re: fuel gauge (Larry)
3. 06:44 AM - Re: fuel gauge (Bill Denton)
4. 07:08 AM - Re: fuel gauge (Leo Gates)
5. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: fuel gauge ()
6. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: fuel gauge ()
7. 08:30 AM - Re: fuel gauge (ron dewees)
8. 09:57 AM - Re: fuel gauge (Jim and Lucy)
9. 10:56 AM - Re: fuel gauge... (Gary Gower)
10. 11:16 AM - Re: fuel gauge... (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
11. 12:44 PM - Re: fuel gauge... (Frank Roskind)
12. 12:46 PM - Re: fuel gauge - thanks (pun not intended...) (Carlos Sa)
13. 02:44 PM - Question - (Tommy Walker)
14. 03:03 PM - CH701 Stall Speeds ()
15. 04:02 PM - Cross SP Registration (William J. Naumuk)
16. 04:38 PM - Re: fuel gauge... (Robert Schoenberger)
17. 04:39 PM - Re: fuel gauge... (Robert Schoenberger)
18. 05:27 PM - Re: CH701 Stall Speeds (Larry McFarland)
19. 06:06 PM - Re: 912 OIL thermostat (Bill Cardell)
20. 07:58 PM - High Praise for Harbor Freight Riveter. (Paul Mulwitz)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Carlos:
I used the Datcon universal senders and gages from Aircraft Spruce. I just wired
them up Saturday and it was pretty straightforward. You can see the gages
in this photo near the bottom:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/9_21_05_Panel.jpg
The senders needed a little modification but again, pretty easy to do. Here's
a photo:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/3_5_03_SenderParts.JPG
If you choose this option, make sure you get a good ground where the arm attaches
to the round, top of the sender. I tack-welded mine just to make sure because
when I tested it the first time, it didn't work because it wasn't making good
contact. I would have hated to find this out after the wings were all buttoned
up.
To answer your question, what I did was to order one gauge and one sender to make
sure they would work. This way I had the gauge to try in both holes in the
instrument panel. You should also have a gauge to test the sender after installing
it in the tank.
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
Wiring & Stuff
www.cooknwithgas.com
Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa
Hello, all
I am about to order parts to build the fuel tanks, thus the following question:
I have no idea what the instrument panel will look like, but I need to select a
fuel level sender
now.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
If you select a sending unit now, then you should also get the matching
gauge. They need to match in resistance. Also if you use the float type
sending unit, then you need to calibrate the float setting with the gauge by
bending the float wire, so you have to have a gauge wired to the sending
unit to do that.
Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: fuel gauge
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello, all
>
>
> I am about to order parts to build the fuel tanks, thus the following
> question:
> I have no idea what the instrument panel will look like, but I need to
> select a fuel level sender
> now.
>
> Is this going to limit my choices of gauges?
> Or should I just have a removable plate for now and choose the sender
> later?
> Suggestions, recommendations?
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
> Spars riveting in progress (about 200 rivets to go)
>
>
> Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
If you guys will pardon a few observations from a newbie...
I note that "capacitance" senders have not yet been mentioned. Are they
generally not used in Zenith aircraft?
What sort of "gauges" will be used: a standalone gauge or an EIS? While
matching a float-type resistance sender and gauge is necessary, most EIS
units can be calibrated to match almost any float-type or capacitance
gauges.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel gauge
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
If you select a sending unit now, then you should also get the matching
gauge. They need to match in resistance. Also if you use the float type
sending unit, then you need to calibrate the float setting with the gauge by
bending the float wire, so you have to have a gauge wired to the sending
unit to do that.
Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: fuel gauge
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello, all
>
>
> I am about to order parts to build the fuel tanks, thus the following
> question:
> I have no idea what the instrument panel will look like, but I need to
> select a fuel level sender
> now.
>
> Is this going to limit my choices of gauges?
> Or should I just have a removable plate for now and choose the sender
> later?
> Suggestions, recommendations?
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
> Spars riveting in progress (about 200 rivets to go)
>
>
> Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
Carlos,
Here is what I did on my CH601HDS. I bought ZAC leading edge fuel tanks
(1999). They came with a fuel sender mounting ring, welded to the center of
the inboard end of the tank. I bought one fuel gauge and two senders from
JC Whitney (less than $25 total). These are identical to ACS units, to my
knowledge, and much cheaper. I drew a full size side view of the inboard
end of the tanks on a piece of shelf paper. I positioned the senders
against this drawing where they would mount on the tank. I determined the
necessary bend in the float arm and how much to shorten the arm. This gave
me full travel of the sender with the float 1/8th inch short of touching the
top and bottom of the tank. I installed the senders in the tank using
Permatex #2 Form a Gasket. This installation places the sender in line with
the lightening hole in the center of the in board nose rib (viewable and
accessible from the in board end of the wing). The ground wire from the
sender comes through this lightening hole, a ring connecter on the end, and
is attached to the rib with a 6-32 brass machine screw and double nutted.
All my electrical connections are covered with white lithium grease for
corrosion protection. The one fuel gauge is mounted in my center console
with a DTSP toggle switch to select the tank to monitor. The aircraft was
leveled and measured amounts of fuel were added. Calibration for USABLE
fuel as follows: Full: 8.7 Gal. (tank holds 9.9 Gal., but due to the
dihedral the gauge reads Full before the tank is). 3/4: 7.3 Gal. 1/2: 48
Gal. 1/4: 2.4 Gal.
70 Hours and 10 months later no leaks and works fine.
Leo Gates
N601Z
-------Original Message-------
From: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: fuel gauge
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, all
I am about to order parts to build the fuel tanks, thus the following
question:
I have no idea what the instrument panel will look like, but I need to
select a fuel level sender
now.
Is this going to limit my choices of gauges?
Or should I just have a removable plate for now and choose the sender later?
Suggestions, recommendations?
Thanks in advance
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Spars riveting in progress (about 200 rivets to go)
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
I have used the capacitance type of sender/gauge in an ultralight tank. It has
been a pain in the butt to calibrate and to keep in calibration. It was an Asian
unit and there may be much better ones made elswhere. I have been told that
the Achilles' heel of that type of unit is that they may read differently with
different fuels. Other more experienced folks on the list may be able to speak
to this issue. I would favor the float type.
Ed Moody II
>
> From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
> Date: 2005/09/26 Mon AM 09:43:13 EDT
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: fuel gauge
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>
> If you guys will pardon a few observations from a newbie...
>
> I note that "capacitance" senders have not yet been mentioned. Are they
> generally not used in Zenith aircraft?
>
> What sort of "gauges" will be used: a standalone gauge or an EIS? While
> matching a float-type resistance sender and gauge is necessary, most EIS
> units can be calibrated to match almost any float-type or capacitance
> gauges.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel gauge
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
>
> If you select a sending unit now, then you should also get the matching
> gauge. They need to match in resistance. Also if you use the float type
> sending unit, then you need to calibrate the float setting with the gauge by
> bending the float wire, so you have to have a gauge wired to the sending
> unit to do that.
> Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlos Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
> To: "Z list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: fuel gauge
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hello, all
> >
> >
> > I am about to order parts to build the fuel tanks, thus the following
> > question:
> > I have no idea what the instrument panel will look like, but I need to
> > select a fuel level sender
> > now.
> >
> > Is this going to limit my choices of gauges?
> > Or should I just have a removable plate for now and choose the sender
> > later?
> > Suggestions, recommendations?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Carlos
> > CH601-HD, plans
> > Spars riveting in progress (about 200 rivets to go)
> >
> >
> > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
I have used the capacitance type of sender/gauge in an ultralight tank. It has
been a pain in the butt to calibrate and to keep in calibration. It was an Asian
unit and there may be much better ones made elswhere. I have been told that
the Achilles' heel of that type of unit is that they may read differently with
different fuels. Other more experienced folks on the list may be able to speak
to this issue. I would favor the float type.
Ed Moody II
>
> From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
> Date: 2005/09/26 Mon AM 09:43:13 EDT
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: fuel gauge
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>
> If you guys will pardon a few observations from a newbie...
>
> I note that "capacitance" senders have not yet been mentioned. Are they
> generally not used in Zenith aircraft?
>
> What sort of "gauges" will be used: a standalone gauge or an EIS? While
> matching a float-type resistance sender and gauge is necessary, most EIS
> units can be calibrated to match almost any float-type or capacitance
> gauges.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel gauge
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
>
> If you select a sending unit now, then you should also get the matching
> gauge. They need to match in resistance. Also if you use the float type
> sending unit, then you need to calibrate the float setting with the gauge by
> bending the float wire, so you have to have a gauge wired to the sending
> unit to do that.
> Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlos Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
> To: "Z list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: fuel gauge
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hello, all
> >
> >
> > I am about to order parts to build the fuel tanks, thus the following
> > question:
> > I have no idea what the instrument panel will look like, but I need to
> > select a fuel level sender
> > now.
> >
> > Is this going to limit my choices of gauges?
> > Or should I just have a removable plate for now and choose the sender
> > later?
> > Suggestions, recommendations?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Carlos
> > CH601-HD, plans
> > Spars riveting in progress (about 200 rivets to go)
> >
> >
> > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Bill,
I use a Skysports capacitive sender in my 601's header tank. It works
ok but had to be mounted thru the side of the tank because of the
limited clearance on the top of the tank. It takes a bit of time and
effort to make a 2" or so fuel-tight hole in the side of the tank and
then bend the aluminum probe to the correct shape, but once done, it's
accurate and dependable. I think I also read that they can be mounted
thru the bottom of the tank and have the probe stick upward. If this is
true it would be a lot easier to mount on a header tank. For a wing tank
it seems like you would have to go the side mount and bending route
similar to the header mounting procedure. The gauge is also available
with adjustable high and low fuel warning sensors.
If you are in doubt give them a call. They were very helpful.
Ron
N601TD
Bill Denton wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>
>If you guys will pardon a few observations from a newbie...
>
>I note that "capacitance" senders have not yet been mentioned. Are they
>generally not used in Zenith aircraft?
>
>What sort of "gauges" will be used: a standalone gauge or an EIS? While
>matching a float-type resistance sender and gauge is necessary, most EIS
>units can be calibrated to match almost any float-type or capacitance
>gauges.
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@ciaccess.com>
If i did not already have one purchased, it think
i would have went with this gauge on this website.
http://www.cruzpro.com/tl30.html
Jim Pollard
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| Subject: | Re: fuel gauge... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Sometimes the calibrate of the float is not possible to be exact both ends, full
or empty, mainly because of the size the shape of the tank... Well I advise,
if this happens to one of our projects, to calibrate exactly the empty side
of the gauge/tank. Is most important the empty side.
In one project I did years ago, I had the needle in full from full to almost
3/4 then from there on the level was correct all the wat to empty... Tested
in ground in flying attitude several times. no big deal, could live with that.
Everytime it marked full, I knew that I had more than 3/4. The tank gave me 6:30
hrs, range so 3/4 was far more than "my" tank :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Larry <lrm01@centurytel.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry"
If you select a sending unit now, then you should also get the matching
gauge. They need to match in resistance. Also if you use the float type
sending unit, then you need to calibrate the float setting with the gauge by
bending the float wire, so you have to have a gauge wired to the sending
unit to do that.
Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Sa"
Subject: Zenith-List: fuel gauge
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa
>
> Hello, all
>
>
> I am about to order parts to build the fuel tanks, thus the following
> question:
> I have no idea what the instrument panel will look like, but I need to
> select a fuel level sender
> now.
>
> Is this going to limit my choices of gauges?
> Or should I just have a removable plate for now and choose the sender
> later?
> Suggestions, recommendations?
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
> Spars riveting in progress (about 200 rivets to go)
>
>
> Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel gauge... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Gary is correct. Though we all want our instruments to be 100% correct and
always reliable that's not a realistic goal; even the Space Shuttle flew last
month with a faulty fuel sensor, didn't it ? And I think I have read somewhere
in the FAR that even the FAA requires fuel gauges to be correct and accurate
only once and that is to show empty. Isn't that correct Frank ? I believe you
would agree that it would be the foolish pilot that depends on fuel gauge
information for taking off, changing tanks and remaining reserves instead of a
measuring stick and a clock. Best regards, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: fuel gauge... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Roskind" <frankroskind@hotmail.com>
I'm not sure if I am the Frank you meant, but section 23.1337 (which does
not apply to experimental aircraft) says:
(b) Fuel quantity indication. There must be a means to indicate to the
flightcrew members the quantity of usable fuel in each tank during flight.
An indicator calibrated in appropriate units and clearly marked to indicate
those units must be used. In addition:
(1) Each fuel quantity indicator must be calibrated to read zero during
level flight when the quantity of fuel remaining in the tank is equal to the
unusable fuel supply determined under 23.959(a);
(2) Each exposed sight gauge used as a fuel quantity indicator must be
protected against damage;
(3) Each sight gauge that forms a trap in which water can collect and freeze
must have means to allow drainage on the ground;
(4) There must be a means to indicate the amount of usable fuel in each tank
when the airplane is on the ground (such as by a stick gauge);
(5) Tanks with interconnected outlets and airspaces may be considered as one
tank and need not have separate indicators; and
(6) No fuel quantity indicator is required for an auxiliary tank that is
used only to transfer fuel to other tanks if the relative size of the tank,
the rate of fuel transfer, and operating instructions are adequate to
(i) Guard against overflow; and
(ii) Give the flight crewmembers prompt warning if transfer is not
proceeding as planned.
..........
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel gauge...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Gary is correct. Though we all want our instruments to be 100% correct and
always reliable that's not a realistic goal; even the Space Shuttle flew
last
month with a faulty fuel sensor, didn't it ? And I think I have read
somewhere
in the FAR that even the FAA requires fuel gauges to be correct and accurate
only once and that is to show empty. Isn't that correct Frank ? I believe
you
would agree that it would be the foolish pilot that depends on fuel gauge
information for taking off, changing tanks and remaining reserves instead of
a
measuring stick and a clock. Best regards, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: fuel gauge - thanks (pun not intended...) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
I received a number of replies (on and off list) to my query.
Thanks very much to all of you!
Regards
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Date: 09/25/05 23:47:54
> To: Z list
> Subject: Zenith-List: fuel gauge
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello, all
>
>
> I am about to order parts to build the fuel tanks, thus the following
> question:
> I have no idea what the instrument panel will look like, but I need to
> select a fuel level sender
> now.
>
> Is this going to limit my choices of gauges?
> Or should I just have a removable plate for now and choose the sender later?
> Suggestions, recommendations?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
1. Who is Samuel Ranshofen?
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Do NOT archive
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| Subject: | CH701 Stall Speeds |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
The stall speed specs in the info pack:
28 mph single (flaps down) 30mph dual (flaps down)
The stall speed specs on the ZAC website:
34 mph single 38 mph dual
The stall speed specs from the sample pilot handbook on the ZAC website:
Gross flaps down: 39 mph
Gross flaps up: 42 mph
Some inconsistencies here. Any thoughts on what reality might be?
Thanks,
Burke Johnson
Irvington, VA
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| Subject: | Cross SP Registration |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
All-
Here it is, straight from the guys that wrote the book.
Bill
Hello William,
Your approach would not work because once the aircraft is operated in a configuration
that does not meet the definition of a light-sport aircraft (LSA) it is
forever ineligible for operation by sport pilots. This being the case, any sort
of dual certification would not be beneficial. The aircraft must be originally
certificated and continuously operated within the LSA definition in order
to be eligible for operation by sport pilots.
Joe Norris
EAA Aviation Services
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| Subject: | Re: fuel gauge... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
I agree with Gary. It's very dfficult to get the float to register
accurately at both ends. I think mine will show a little more than empty
when it 's actually is empty. I intend to field test it and put a piece of
red tape on the gage at the actual empty mark or maybe a little above for a
reserve.
Gary, I tried that Google Earth and located your field - very interesting.
Robert Schoenberger 701 55% do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel gauge...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Sometimes the calibrate of the float is not possible to be exact both
> ends, full or empty, mainly because of the size the shape of the tank...
> Well I advise, if this happens to one of our projects, to calibrate
> exactly the empty side of the gauge/tank. Is most important the empty
> side.
>
> In one project I did years ago, I had the needle in full from full to
> almost 3/4 then from there on the level was correct all the wat to
> empty... Tested in ground in flying attitude several times. no big deal,
> could live with that.
>
> Everytime it marked full, I knew that I had more than 3/4. The tank gave
> me 6:30 hrs, range so 3/4 was far more than "my" tank :-)
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
>
>
> Larry <lrm01@centurytel.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry"
>
> If you select a sending unit now, then you should also get the matching
> gauge. They need to match in resistance. Also if you use the float type
> sending unit, then you need to calibrate the float setting with the gauge
> by
> bending the float wire, so you have to have a gauge wired to the sending
> unit to do that.
> Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlos Sa"
> To: "Z list"
> Subject: Zenith-List: fuel gauge
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa
>>
>> Hello, all
>>
>>
>> I am about to order parts to build the fuel tanks, thus the following
>> question:
>> I have no idea what the instrument panel will look like, but I need to
>> select a fuel level sender
>> now.
>>
>> Is this going to limit my choices of gauges?
>> Or should I just have a removable plate for now and choose the sender
>> later?
>> Suggestions, recommendations?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Carlos
>> CH601-HD, plans
>> Spars riveting in progress (about 200 rivets to go)
>>
>>
>> Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel gauge... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel gauge...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Gary is correct. Though we all want our instruments to be 100% correct and
> always reliable that's not a realistic goal; even the Space Shuttle flew
> last
> month with a faulty fuel sensor, didn't it ? And I think I have read
> somewhere
> in the FAR that even the FAA requires fuel gauges to be correct and
> accurate
> only once and that is to show empty. Isn't that correct Frank ? I believe
> you
> would agree that it would be the foolish pilot that depends on fuel gauge
> information for taking off, changing tanks and remaining reserves instead
> of a
> measuring stick and a clock. Best regards, Bill
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Stall Speeds |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Burke,
Even the Zenith aircraft vary a bit, engine for engine, plane to plane
as far as equipment goes and what
you're seening is probably that variablility in model-year with gear,
tri-gear or tail dragger, etc.
Larry McFarland
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burkeandsusan@verizon.net wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
>
>The stall speed specs in the info pack:
>
>
>28 mph single (flaps down) 30mph dual (flaps down)
>
>
>The stall speed specs on the ZAC website:
>
>
>34 mph single 38 mph dual
>
>
>The stall speed specs from the sample pilot handbook on the ZAC website:
>
>
>Gross flaps down: 39 mph
>
>Gross flaps up: 42 mph
>
>
>Some inconsistencies here. Any thoughts on what reality might be?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Burke Johnson
>
>Irvington, VA
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 912 OIL thermostat |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
I'm not sure what would fit, you just have to match thread size.
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Bill Cardell
TurboDog's Dad
Flyin' Miata
1-800-FLY-MX5S
www.flyinmiata.com
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
NYTerminat@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912 OIL thermostat
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Bill
What model # oil thermostat do you use for the 912S?
Bob Spudis
FWIW, good source here: http://www.batinc.net/mocal.htm They have some
nice sandwich thermostats that go under the filter. No affiliation, etc,
though we use them ourselves.
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
www.flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5S
tech 970-242-3800
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| Subject: | High Praise for Harbor Freight Riveter. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I just became a convert to the pneumatic riveter from Harbor Freight fan club.
After doing all the tail feathers for my XL using Zenith's hand
riveter I thought I was man enough to do the whole plane that
way. However, some 200 A5 rivets in the first wing flap made me
rethink that idea.
I wound up buying the same Harbor Freight riveter many listers have
praised for a whopping $20. It started marked down to $35 on the
shelf, but I brought the current online price page showing $25 with
me so I got another $10 off. Then there was the 20% off on one item
from this week's email promotion which reduced it another $5.
I used the new riveter today to complete the process from first to
last rivet in the remaining wing flap in around 1 hour. I even had
enough strength left in my hands after that to fix myself a drink and
type this message.
My heart-felt thanks to all those listers who praised this device. I
am now convinced about what real bargain this tool is.
Paul
XL wings - flaps completed
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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