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1. 12:14 AM - Re: Air Compressor (Robin Gould)
2. 02:12 AM - Re: Sport pilot limits (Paul Mulwitz)
3. 04:47 AM - Neighbor-friendly Air Compressor (Zed Smith)
4. 05:26 AM - Re: Air Compressor (jnbolding1)
5. 05:45 AM - Re: Air Compressor (jnbolding1)
6. 06:12 AM - Re: Air Compressor (N5SL)
7. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Air Compressor ()
8. 06:29 AM - Re: Sport pilot limits (Gig Giacona)
9. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Air Compressor ()
10. 06:42 AM - Re: Air Compressor (nhulin)
11. 07:49 AM - Re: Air Compressor (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
12. 08:02 AM - Re: Air Compressor (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
13. 08:50 AM - Re: Air Compressor (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
14. 09:25 AM - Re: Air Compressor (jnbolding1)
15. 09:37 AM - Quality Sport Planes opening (Richard Vetterli)
16. 10:29 AM - Re: Air Compressor (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
17. 12:34 PM - Re: CopperState EAA Flyin (Steve Hulland)
18. 12:39 PM - Intercoms (Beckman, Rick)
19. 12:44 PM - Air Compressor (Randy L. Thwing)
20. 12:53 PM - Re: Intercoms (Bill Denton)
21. 01:07 PM - Re: Air Compressor (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
22. 01:31 PM - Re: Intercoms (Allen Ricks)
23. 01:58 PM - Re: Air Compressor (Allen Ricks)
24. 02:16 PM - Re: Intercoms (Craig Payne)
25. 02:30 PM - Virginia fly-in (Jeff Small)
26. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Intercoms T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 ()
27. 02:45 PM - Re: Intercoms ()
28. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: Intercoms T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 (Craig Payne)
29. 03:13 PM - Re: Intercoms T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 (Craig Payne)
30. 04:24 PM - Drilling prop bolts (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
31. 04:38 PM - Re: Drilling prop bolts (Eddie Seve)
32. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: CopperState EAA Flyin (Randy Stout)
33. 04:58 PM - Re: Drilling prop bolts (Larry McFarland)
34. 07:24 PM - I'm sorry... Was Getting parts (Brandon Tucker)
35. 07:48 PM - OOPS, wrong list (Brandon Tucker)
36. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: Intercoms T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled (Brandon Tucker)
37. 09:30 PM - 701 with A65 Continental (Dave and Pam Fisher)
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| Subject: | Re: Air Compressor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robin Gould <rgould1@ix.netcom.com>
The Coleman should be big enough. A pneumatic riveter uses a
surprisingly little air as say compared to a
pneumatic drill.
Oiless single-stage direct drive compressor are noisy, but as your note
suggests, with some engineering you could build a sound box for it. This
presents a two stage dilemma 1) Enough insulating to contain a certain
amount of the sound 2) Enough air flow around the compressor and in and
out of the box to keep the compressor from over heating. (A fun problem
to solve)
RG
Dave VanLanen wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Can anyone who is using a ZAC pneumatic riveter tell me what the minimum
>requirements are for a compressor? I currently have a Coleman oiless
>single-stage direct drive compressor. It is an 11 gal., 4 HP, with 7+ CFM
>at 40 PSI and 5.1 CFM at 90 PSI. I'm assuming that is big enough, but don't
>know for sure. The only thing I don't like about this unit is the noise
>level, as I'll need to run it in the garage this winter. There's no good
>way to put it outside, and even if I could, it would wake up the neighbors
>if I wanted to be working after about 9 PM. Has anyone successfully built a
>sound-reducing box around their compressor?
>Two related questions: I was told that an oiless compressor is noisier than
>a compressor than requires oil. Why is that? Also, can someone explain the
>difference between a single-stage and 2-stage compressor? I've been told
>that the 2-stage is quieter, but the only ones I could find were huge (too
>big for my garage), and the clerks did not seem very knowledgeable.
>
>Thanks,
>Dave Van Lanen
>601 XL
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot limits |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the kind words. Indeed, there are lots of FAA bureaucrats
who don't have any clue at all about the new rules.
No, I don't know the story about Sport Pilot license use in other
countries. I do believe Canada doesn't allow experimental aircraft
to cross the border without permission, so there may be more than one
problem to resolve. The experimental issue apparently requires you
contact the Canadian consulate and request permission to enter their
air space with your non-standard airplane. I suppose you could take
the same approach with the pilot license issue.
Further reading on Canadian flight left me with the understanding
that their rules are somewhat different from ours. For example, they
require all GA planes to carry a survival kit. Considering how much
space they have with such a small population and harsh climate I
guess that makes lots of sense.
I have been thinking of flying around Vancouver, BC and near by
islands for tourist reasons. I suspect I can get the permission as
soon as they are convinced I will be staying in the mild climate area
and that my experimental plane isn't a hazard to their population.
Paul
XL wings
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At 08:56 PM 9/28/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
>
>Paul,
>
>That is an exhaustive and amazingly clear explanation. Maybe you could
>explain things to the FAA.
>
>You may be able to comment on one further limit on operating as a sport
>pilot, despite having all the other certificates. It is my impression that
>international flight is currently banned. I guess that there is
>no recognition
>for the 'driver's license in lieu of a medical" in Canada or Mexico. I did
>hear there may a chance of this changing, but it is not something
>that seems to
>have received much attention.
>
>Do you know the full story on this? Or anyone else care to comment?
>
>Jim Greenough
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Neighbor-friendly Air Compressor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
One enterprising fellow obtained a new (never previously used) 500 gallon propane
tank and put the compressor to work filling it during the day.....used the
air at night. As I recall, the tank sat outside near his garage and gave the
impression that it was heat for the residence. The local propane dealer made
him some sort of deal as to "rent" on the tank. Five hundred gallons of air is
a lot of rivets.....if you run out its probably time to retire for the night
anyway.
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Zed/701/R912/90+% etc
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
>
>The two stage compressors pump up faster than single stage. So you
>don't need to listen to them so much. They also make more cfms at
>the lower pressures.
Actually the single stage compressors make MORE cfm at lower pressure and will
pump up FASTER to their limit of 100-125 psi (depending on pump and pressure setting).
If you don't need 175 psi, single stage compressors give you more volume
for the hp. Had to explain the above to MANY plant engineers over my 32 yrs
of selling air compressors in the industrial market.
Buy the best air compressor you can afford, it will be a tool you will use for
life. LOW &SLOW John Bolding
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| Subject: | Re: Air Compressor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
Also, can someone explain the
>difference between a single-stage and 2-stage compressor? I've been told
>that the 2-stage is quieter, but the only ones I could find were huge (too
>big for my garage), and the clerks did not seem very knowledgeable.
>
>Thanks,
>Dave Van Lanen
>601 XL
Dave, Single stage compressors have only one size piston, they work like an
engine, drawing in air on the intake and expelling it on the exhaust, they are
good for 125# more or less depending. Two stage compressors have two different
size pistons, air is drawn in the large ones , compressed to an intermediate
value (usually 80-125#) and transferred on the exhaust stroke of the low side
to the intake stroke of the high side (smaller piston) where it's compressed
to the final value. Generally there is an intercooler between stages as a lot
more heat is generated. If you don't need the pressure, stick with single stage.
More pressure requires more hp and if the hp is used to compress the air
to a value higher than what you need then you are wasting effort. Agreed that
higher pressures give you a bit more reserve if you are using more than you are
putting in but the relationship between PRESSURE & VOLUME takes longer to explain
and I need to go fly now. John
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| Subject: | Re: Air Compressor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Dave:
Dan Checkoway built a box around his compressor and shows it at www.rvproject.com. For some reason his site is down as I'm writing this or I'd give you the exact link.
Your compressor should provide enough air and a LOT of noise. I have the 2-stage,
piston-type from Sears (5 hp, 20 gal) that is just about the right size for
me. I bought it 18 years ago new and it has been flawless. It's the belt-driven
type with two pistons and the noise is tolerable in the garage. My neighbor
has a new compressor like yours and it drives him crazy with the sound it
makes. You might want to build a box like Dan's if you find it too loud.
As far as the riveter is concerned I have heard the ZAC riveters can break with
too much pressure. I have never put a regulator on my Harbor Freight el-cheapo
riveter and my compressor shutoff is set at 120 psig. ( I adjusted it to stop
right before the relief valves lets go). The riveter has been good for
almost three years working on the airplane.
Happy building,
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
www.cooknwithgas.com
Wiring and Stuff.
Dave VanLanen <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Has anyone successfully built a
sound-reducing box around their compressor?
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| Subject: | Re: Air Compressor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Three more thoughts on shopping compressors......
First, survey all the air tools you expect to use with the compessor, including
air drill, die grinder, nail gun, rivet driver, paint spray gun, etc. Make sure
that the compressor you buy delivers enough standard cubic feet per minute
(scfm) to keep up with the volume of air that must flow through the highest consuming
tool. Otherwise you will have to stop working frequently to allow the
compressor to "catch up".
Second, the larger the air tank, the longer the compressor will run each time it
needs to but the fewer times per hour it will have to run. Smaller air tank
will run for shorter time but more often.
Third, if you box it in to reduce the noise you will make it take in air that is
already heated by the compressor inside the box. When it compresses that hot
air it will get even hotter..... not an altogether good thing. If you must enclose
it try to vent it to the outside somewhere and make sure you can get inside
the box to frequently drain the water that will condense inside the tank.
Ed Moody II
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot limits |
INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0488 1.0000 -3.7941
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
For one country to accept and honor the Pilot certificate, or any other
license or certification, of another requires fairly complex treaty
agreements. First there has to be an equal license or certificate in the
other country and then both sides have to agree that everything is equal or
nearly so.
What it boils down to is it takes time to happen if it ever happens.
Gig
> Time: 08:56:56 PM PST US
> From: Tebenkof@aol.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Sport pilot limits
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
>
> Paul,
>
> That is an exhaustive and amazingly clear explanation. Maybe you could
> explain things to the FAA.
>
> You may be able to comment on one further limit on operating as a sport
> pilot, despite having all the other certificates. It is my impression
> that
> international flight is currently banned. I guess that there is no
> recognition
>
> for the 'driver's license in lieu of a medical" in Canada or Mexico. I
> did
> hear there may a chance of this changing, but it is not something that
> seems to
>
> have received much attention.
>
> Do you know the full story on this? Or anyone else care to comment?
>
> Jim Greenough
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| Subject: | Re: Air Compressor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
I bought the Harbor Freight "better" riveter about three years ago (about $90)
and it built two Excalibur ULs (sort of like a Challenger). I have continued to
use it on mods to the two ULs and for the occassional blind rivets in an RV7-A
that I'm helping to build.
It got squirrely once when I had neglected to give it a couple drops of oil once
per day. When I remembered the oil it forgave me and resumed proper function.
I expect to use it on a 601XL in the next 3 - 6 months if my trip to the Zenith
factory in December goes well.
ED Moody II
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| Subject: | Re: Air Compressor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
On Wed Sep 28 at 8:28 PM, Dave VanLanen (davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net) wrote:
<snip> The only thing I don't like about this unit is the noise
level, as I'll need to run it in the garage this winter. There's
no good way to put it outside, <snip>
Dave,
Perhaps you don't need to put it outside. I put mine in the basement. The
noise is a concern and sometimes it is better not to use it but, in general,
it is a good solution. I get back the space in the garage and the noise is
no longer an issue.
Here is a link to our EAA chapter newsletter where I describe the
installation:
http://www.eaa174.org/Newsletters/NL2003/NL312/News312-Pg1.asp
Tailwinds, ...neil
601XL/Corvair
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
And...To save energy cost, you must make the compressor breath as cool
air as possible.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Gould
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Air Compressor
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robin Gould <rgould1@ix.netcom.com>
The Coleman should be big enough. A pneumatic riveter uses a
surprisingly little air as say compared to a pneumatic drill.
Oiless single-stage direct drive compressor are noisy, but as your note
suggests, with some engineering you could build a sound box for it. This
presents a two stage dilemma 1) Enough insulating to contain a certain
amount of the sound 2) Enough air flow around the compressor and in and
out of the box to keep the compressor from over heating. (A fun problem
to solve)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Not sure I quite agree here...A single stage is less expensive to buy
and to run..>I agree here
As to buying a quality machine?...hmm...I prbably would not buy a Harbor
freight machine as you want to switch this thing on and for get about it
anf build your airplane....You will be messing with a HF unit.
But I would not go top of the range either.
I would go to sears or buy a Colemen or something like that...I bought
an oil free Sears machine because I have delusions of painting the
airplane at the end and oil free is definatly the way to go for
this...although you will have to manually lube your air drill
occasionally..maybe...:)
I'm working on the principle of the $299 machine lasting the length of
the project (hopefully one year) and if it dies before that take it back
under warranty....:)
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jnbolding1
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air Compressor
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1"
--> <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
>
>The two stage compressors pump up faster than single stage. So you
>don't need to listen to them so much. They also make more cfms at the
>lower pressures.
Actually the single stage compressors make MORE cfm at lower pressure
and will pump up FASTER to their limit of 100-125 psi (depending on pump
and pressure setting). If you don't need 175 psi, single stage
compressors give you more volume for the hp. Had to explain the above to
MANY plant engineers over my 32 yrs of selling air compressors in the
industrial market.
Buy the best air compressor you can afford, it will be a tool you will
use for life. LOW &SLOW John Bolding
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| Subject: | Re: Air Compressor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dave, before you use a complex tool we recommend you test it. Drill a dozen
A4 & A5 holes into some scrap aluminum, insert rivets and test pull your air
riveter, See what minimum pressure is required to do the job. More than the
minimum promotes unnecessary ware and possibly damage. Then you will know, FWIW,
Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Not sure I quite agree here...A single stage is less expensive to buy
>and to run..>I agree here
Frank, Pretty simple really, the single stage uses all the energy and all the
cylinders to pump to a specific pressure. The two stage uses half the cylinders
to pump to a certain pressure and the other cylinders takes that air that has
already been compressed and compresses it again, it gives higher pressure but
lower volume and that is wonderful if you need the higher pressure but if you
don't you give up about 10- 15% in volume difference between a single stage
and two stage pumping to 125#.
Demonstrated this a thousand times to plant engineers , air conditioning control
folks, car dealers, body shops etc etc. LOW&SLOW John
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| Subject: | Quality Sport Planes opening |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
Is anyone from the list planning on attending the
Grand Opening of Michael Heintz's Quality Sport Planes
facility in Cloverdale on October 15th? I'll be there
and hope that he gets lots of support from Zenith
builders and pilots out here on the left coast.
Rich Vetterli
N56DV (reserved)
WW Corvair powered 601XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yes I understand and agree with THAT part (I'm a plant engineer
myself)....What I didn't quite agree with was buying a very high quality
machine like I might purchase for say industrial or commercial use...I
tend to go for the cheaper machine that can be thrown away you have
built 1.5 airplane, I think for the hobbyist it represents a better
deal...:)
Thanks
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jnbolding1
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Air Compressor
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1"
--> <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
>--> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Not sure I quite agree here...A single stage is less expensive to buy
>and to run..>I agree here
Frank, Pretty simple really, the single stage uses all the energy and
all the cylinders to pump to a specific pressure. The two stage uses
half the cylinders to pump to a certain pressure and the other cylinders
takes that air that has already been compressed and compresses it again,
it gives higher pressure but lower volume and that is wonderful if you
need the higher pressure but if you don't you give up about 10- 15% in
volume difference between a single stage and two stage pumping to 125#.
Demonstrated this a thousand times to plant engineers , air conditioning
control folks, car dealers, body shops etc etc. LOW&SLOW John
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| Subject: | Re: CopperState EAA Flyin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Anyone with a 701 going to the Copperstate EAA Fly-in next weekend? I will
probably be there on Friday and would enjoy looking at (and mayby flying) in
some other 701's.
Steve Hulland
Amado, AZ
Somewhaere around 55-65% done
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
=09
Hi, Y'all!
I would like to have a little input from those of you that are
flying your homebuilts. It is time for me to buy an intercom for The Bird. The
Flightcom 403 seems to me to be a good unit for the money, if you consider $270
reasonable for a box that will fit into your shirt pocket!! BUT...it's a gotta
have item. I welcome any input and personal preferences. If you'd rather
do it offline, do it here:
rick.beckman@atk.com
Happy flying, have
fun building, tailwinds, blue slies, etc.
Mostly,
God Bless!!
Rick XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
A question: Does "oilless" always mean "rotary compressor", or can
"oilless" mean a piston compressor without a crankcase full of oil?
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
Going strictly by the specifications, for a two-place aircraft, I would take
a close look at the Sigtronics 200s.
It's a stereo unit, with a stereo music input, and a single com input.
$199.00 at Spruce...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Beckman,
Rick
Subject: Zenith-List: Intercoms
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
=09
Hi, Y'all!
I would like to have a little input from those of you that
are flying your homebuilts. It is time for me to buy an intercom for The
Bird. The Flightcom 403 seems to me to be a good unit for the money, if you
consider $270 reasonable for a box that will fit into your shirt pocket!!
BUT...it's a gotta have item. I welcome any input and personal preferences.
If you'd rather do it offline, do it here:
rick.beckman@atk.com
Happy
flying, have fun building, tailwinds, blue slies, etc.
Mostly, God Bless!!
Rick XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yup, the oiless can mean piston compressor with teflon bearings.
My Sear Craftsman is this way and has been running 9 months without
problems...They are somewhat notorious for being short lived however.
As I said my $299 on sale so called 6HP machine (about 2HP running) was
bought with the intention of lasting the length of building the RV
including spray painting.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy L.
Thwing
Subject: Zenith-List: Air Compressor
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
--> <n4546v@mindspring.com>
A question: Does "oilless" always mean "rotary compressor", or can
"oilless" mean a piston compressor without a crankcase full of oil?
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Hi Rick,
I have used a portable when I was flying my Cessna 120, and I would
go for a panel mount, or at least remote mount the box and run wires
to the luggage area/seatback area.
I really got tired of the wires running all over the place and getting
in the way. Plugging in at the seat back would be much nicer.
I haven't used the brand you're looking at. I have an Aviall portable, and
I'll
be buying another brand. I'm leaning towards the PS engineering PS 1000
at the moment, but that could change.
Allen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Beckman,
Rick
Subject: Zenith-List: Intercoms
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
=09
Hi, Y'all!
I would like to have a little input from those of you that
are flying your homebuilts. It is time for me to buy an intercom for The
Bird. The Flightcom 403 seems to me to be a good unit for the money, if you
consider $270 reasonable for a box that will fit into your shirt pocket!!
BUT...it's a gotta have item. I welcome any input and personal preferences.
If you'd rather do it offline, do it here:
rick.beckman@atk.com
Happy
flying, have fun building, tailwinds, blue slies, etc.
Mostly, God Bless!!
Rick XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
I think the oilless is usually piston. I have an oil piston.
I believe most (if not all) of the rotaries I have seen are oil, and tend
to be industrial grade units of high(er) quality.
Allen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy L.
Thwing
Subject: Zenith-List: Air Compressor
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
A question: Does "oilless" always mean "rotary compressor", or can
"oilless" mean a piston compressor without a crankcase full of oil?
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
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T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Taking the elimination of wires to the extreme there are now cordless
aircraft headset systems. Now if I could just remember the name of the
manufacturer. I think Brandon Tucker gave me the URL once.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Ricks
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Intercoms
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
--> <allenricks@verizon.net>
Hi Rick,
I have used a portable when I was flying my Cessna 120, and I would go for a
panel mount, or at least remote mount the box and run wires to the luggage
area/seatback area.
I really got tired of the wires running all over the place and getting in
the way. Plugging in at the seat back would be much nicer.
I haven't used the brand you're looking at. I have an Aviall portable, and
I'll be buying another brand. I'm leaning towards the PS engineering PS
1000 at the moment, but that could change.
Allen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Beckman, Rick
Subject: Zenith-List: Intercoms
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick"
--> <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
=09
Hi, Y'all!
I would like to have a little input from those of you that
are flying your homebuilts. It is time for me to buy an intercom for The
Bird. The Flightcom 403 seems to me to be a good unit for the money, if you
consider $270 reasonable for a box that will fit into your shirt pocket!!
BUT...it's a gotta have item. I welcome any input and personal preferences.
If you'd rather do it offline, do it here:
rick.beckman@atk.com
Happy
flying, have fun building, tailwinds, blue slies, etc.
Mostly, God Bless!!
Rick XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair <airvair601@yahoo.com>
>Anyone taking a 601 to the VA fly-in October 1-2
+++ With the wx looking good Sandy and I are planning to fly 22Tango down on Saturday.
Not a sure bet but fairly certain.
We'll likely be wearing denim Zenith shirts so introduce yourself and we can swap
some tales.
CAVU jeff HDS/3300 do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Intercoms T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled |
version=3.0.3
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Hmmmm. Now thats just what we need. More RF floating around the cockpit. I'm sure
the obvious interferance problems have been worked out, right?
Ed Moody II
>
> From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
> Date: 2005/09/29 Thu PM 05:15:49 EDT
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Intercoms
> T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Taking the elimination of wires to the extreme there are now cordless
> aircraft headset systems. Now if I could just remember the name of the
> manufacturer. I think Brandon Tucker gave me the URL once.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Ricks
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Intercoms
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
> --> <allenricks@verizon.net>
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> I have used a portable when I was flying my Cessna 120, and I would go for a
> panel mount, or at least remote mount the box and run wires to the luggage
> area/seatback area.
>
> I really got tired of the wires running all over the place and getting in
> the way. Plugging in at the seat back would be much nicer.
>
> I haven't used the brand you're looking at. I have an Aviall portable, and
> I'll be buying another brand. I'm leaning towards the PS engineering PS
> 1000 at the moment, but that could change.
>
> Allen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Beckman, Rick
> To: MATRONICS LIST
> Subject: Zenith-List: Intercoms
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick"
> --> <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
>
> =09
> Hi, Y'all!
> I would like to have a little input from those of you that
> are flying your homebuilts. It is time for me to buy an intercom for The
> Bird. The Flightcom 403 seems to me to be a good unit for the money, if you
> consider $270 reasonable for a box that will fit into your shirt pocket!!
> BUT...it's a gotta have item. I welcome any input and personal preferences.
> If you'd rather do it offline, do it here:
> rick.beckman@atk.com
> Happy
> flying, have fun building, tailwinds, blue slies, etc.
>
> Mostly, God Bless!!
>
> Rick XL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Panel mount intercoms generally have more power and that is important in order
to produce volume without distortion. Also, add ons like a cell phone interface
require their own battery power when used with the lower power portable units.
Ed Moody II
>
> From: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
> Date: 2005/09/29 Thu PM 03:36:21 EDT
> To: "MATRONICS LIST" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Intercoms
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
>
> =09
> Hi, Y'all!
> I would like to have a little input from those of you that are
flying your homebuilts. It is time for me to buy an intercom for The Bird. The
Flightcom 403 seems to me to be a good unit for the money, if you consider
$270 reasonable for a box that will fit into your shirt pocket!! BUT...it's a
gotta have item. I welcome any input and personal preferences. If you'd rather
do it offline, do it here:
> rick.beckman@atk.com
> Happy flying,
have fun building, tailwinds, blue slies, etc.
> Mostly,
God Bless!!
>
Rick XL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Intercoms T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled |
version=3.0.3
SUBJ_HAS_SPACES,T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Don't know, I'd have to ask the manufacturer. Of course there are those of
us who leave our cell phones on and have GPS units (which contain high speed
microprocessors, etc) stuck on the glare shield. And a laptop sitting in the
right seat is another huge source of EMI.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dredmoody@cox.net
Subject: Re: RE: Zenith-List: Intercoms T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG
autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Hmmmm. Now thats just what we need. More RF floating around the cockpit. I'm
sure the obvious interferance problems have been worked out, right?
Ed Moody II
>
> From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
> Date: 2005/09/29 Thu PM 05:15:49 EDT
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Intercoms
> T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
> --> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Taking the elimination of wires to the extreme there are now cordless
> aircraft headset systems. Now if I could just remember the name of the
> manufacturer. I think Brandon Tucker gave me the URL once.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen
> Ricks
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Intercoms
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
> --> <allenricks@verizon.net>
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> I have used a portable when I was flying my Cessna 120, and I would go
> for a panel mount, or at least remote mount the box and run wires to
> the luggage area/seatback area.
>
> I really got tired of the wires running all over the place and getting
> in the way. Plugging in at the seat back would be much nicer.
>
> I haven't used the brand you're looking at. I have an Aviall
> portable, and I'll be buying another brand. I'm leaning towards the
> PS engineering PS 1000 at the moment, but that could change.
>
> Allen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Beckman,
> Rick
> To: MATRONICS LIST
> Subject: Zenith-List: Intercoms
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick"
> --> <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
>
> =09
> Hi, Y'all!
> I would like to have a little input from those of you
> that are flying your homebuilts. It is time for me to buy an intercom
> for The Bird. The Flightcom 403 seems to me to be a good unit for the
> money, if you consider $270 reasonable for a box that will fit into your
shirt pocket!!
> BUT...it's a gotta have item. I welcome any input and personal
preferences.
> If you'd rather do it offline, do it here:
> rick.beckman@atk.com
> Happy
> flying, have fun building, tailwinds, blue slies, etc.
>
> Mostly, God Bless!!
>
> Rick XL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Intercoms T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled |
version=3.0.3
SUBJ_HAS_SPACES,T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Here is the link to the wireless intercom I mentioned:
http://aveousa.com/avionics/intercom/index.php
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Intercoms T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled
version=3.0.3
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
--> <craig@craigandjean.com>
Taking the elimination of wires to the extreme there are now cordless
aircraft headset systems. Now if I could just remember the name of the
manufacturer. I think Brandon Tucker gave me the URL once.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Ricks
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Intercoms
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
--> <allenricks@verizon.net>
Hi Rick,
I have used a portable when I was flying my Cessna 120, and I would go for a
panel mount, or at least remote mount the box and run wires to the luggage
area/seatback area.
I really got tired of the wires running all over the place and getting in
the way. Plugging in at the seat back would be much nicer.
I haven't used the brand you're looking at. I have an Aviall portable, and
I'll be buying another brand. I'm leaning towards the PS engineering PS
1000 at the moment, but that could change.
Allen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Beckman, Rick
Subject: Zenith-List: Intercoms
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick"
--> <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
=09
Hi, Y'all!
I would like to have a little input from those of you that
are flying your homebuilts. It is time for me to buy an intercom for The
Bird. The Flightcom 403 seems to me to be a good unit for the money, if you
consider $270 reasonable for a box that will fit into your shirt pocket!!
BUT...it's a gotta have item. I welcome any input and personal preferences.
If you'd rather do it offline, do it here:
rick.beckman@atk.com
Happy
flying, have fun building, tailwinds, blue slies, etc.
Mostly, God Bless!!
Rick XL
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| Subject: | Drilling prop bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
List,
What are the tricks for successful drilling of the heads of the prop bolts
for safety wire?
WARP drive prop, Metric bolts with no holes in the heads.
Anyone tried drilling through the corners of the head, or is straight across
the head better?
What kind of lubricant, cutting fluid is good?
Jerry
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| Subject: | Drilling prop bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Jerry,
I used a cobalt drill in a drill press set to a very slow speed, drilled
across the bolt head and lubricated with CRC or WD-40, just keep
spraying the drill bit regularly and it will go through quite easily.
Eddie
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JERICKSON03E@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Drilling prop bolts
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
List,
What are the tricks for successful drilling of the heads of the prop
bolts
for safety wire?
WARP drive prop, Metric bolts with no holes in the heads.
Anyone tried drilling through the corners of the head, or is straight
across
the head better?
What kind of lubricant, cutting fluid is good?
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: CopperState EAA Flyin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
If everything works out, my wife and I are planning on flying in late
Friday in our 601 HD. We should be there all day Saturday. Sorry it's not a
701.
Randy Thwing---Are you going to be there with the Belted Air Power folks?
I'll look for you at their booth. We are planning on flying to VGT Sunday
morning, maybe I'll see you at one place or the other.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
do not archive
> [Original Message]
> From: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/29/2005 2:31:37 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CopperState EAA Flyin
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
>
> Anyone with a 701 going to the Copperstate EAA Fly-in next weekend? I will
> probably be there on Friday and would enjoy looking at (and mayby flying)
in
> some other 701's.
> Steve Hulland
> Amado, AZ
> Somewhaere around 55-65% done
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling prop bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Jerry,
I'm using nylock nuts, washers and torqued bolts in my Warp Drive, No
wire, No cotters, No problems.
I believe you want to consider wire or cotters when you have a wooden
prop that expands and
contracts with the moisture. The Warp Drive prop doesn't do any of that.
This was in compliance at my Airworthiness Inspection a year ago.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
JERICKSON03E@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
>
>List,
>
>What are the tricks for successful drilling of the heads of the prop bolts
>for safety wire?
>
>WARP drive prop, Metric bolts with no holes in the heads.
>
>Anyone tried drilling through the corners of the head, or is straight across
>the head better?
>
>What kind of lubricant, cutting fluid is good?
>
>Jerry
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | I'm sorry... Was Getting parts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
If you follow the thread, you will see my post at
the bottom, causing all the problems. Here it is
again:
>If it were only that easy... I have been calling for
>a week, including about 40 calls today driving to and
>from Aircraft Spruce. I placed a huge order in Feb,
>and still have not recieved my distributor or prop.
I
>have spoken to him only once, a month ago, when he
>called me. Calling WW is anything but simple...
>
>R/
>
>Brandon
If you look at it again, I hope you will see that
there was no slam there. Only a statement. -Just to
clarify / respond:
1. My engine is mounted on the airframe,
baffling done, cowling done. Just waiting on my dist,
exhaust stubs and prop to run. I am basically at a
stand still as of today until these items arrive.
2. I ordered everything except exaust stubs in
Feb.
3. I have only asked one question of WW, on one
occassion, taking less than a minute of his time. The
other 5 minutes consisted of him asking about my
project and the aircraft I currently fly. We had a
very pleasand conversation. I have never "stopped
by," did not use his free "builder assist" prgram, or
detain him in any way from his work. I would be
AMAZED if anyone on this list has spent as much money
as me on his conversion products and required as
little of his time as me.
4. I did call 40 times. -Only because his
voicemail was full on the FIRST CALL, and I usually do
not have time to keep calling back. I called several
times in the week prior, always to a full voicemail
box.
5. I recieved a scathing e-mail from WW, as he
was ill informed that I "slammed" him. -Not so much
his fault as ours. A complete misunderstanding, if
you read the original post.
6. I am a card carrying member of the WW fan
club.
As I think you can see, I started this whole
thing, and would like to respectfully end it now. I
was stating fact, not slamming. William and his crew
have my respect and appreciation. Now, because of a
misunderstanding, I am on his shit list. The R/ at
the end of the original post means respectfullly, and
it was intentional.
Respectfully, and without any malice, ill will, or
negative connotations of any kind,
Brandon Tucker
Oceanside, Ca.
__________________________________
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| Subject: | OOPS, wrong list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Please disregard my last post, it was intended for the
corvair list.
Brandon
__________________________________
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| Subject: | RE: RE: Intercoms T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
Craig already posted a link to the wireless
intercom. I spoke with the distributor of this item
in person, Matt at Sportflyingshop.com, and he expects
to have them in stock next month. The intercom + two
wireless ANR headsets should be around $800. I'll
call Matt next week and post an update to this
information.
R/
Brandon
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| Subject: | 701 with A65 Continental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dave and Pam Fisher <dpfisher@scottsbluff.net>
>From: Brad Larson <blarson@meridianhouse.com> .....I was interested in
how you felt on performance, what type of GPH you
>are getting etc...
Hi Brad and list,
Since I'm not in the air yet I have only thoughts and no hard numbers.
My A80 engine set up weighs around 100 lbs more than the Rotax 582 it
replaced so I'm doing all I can to minimize the weight up front: (light
wood prop, hand propped, engine as close as possible to the firewall,
battery in rear fuselage for balance, ETC.) You might want to double check
your weight and balance to make sure the previous owner got it right.
I once read quotes from the designer of the Kit Fox. As I recall he said
that every pound you add to a 500 lb airplane, ( empty weight), costs you 3
feet per min. of climb, and if you add 100 lbs, you'll need to add 15 to 20
HP to get the same performance. With that in mind, I figured I needed to
convert my A65 to an A80 to equal the climb performance of the 65 HP Rotax
582. Cruise performance of the 80 hp engine should be better than the 65 HP
Rotax even with the extra weight. A rule of thumb I read somewhere suggests
that an aerodynamically dirty airframe like the 701 might cruise at about
one mile per hour per horse power. My field elevation here in western
Nebraska is about 4000 ft. Another rule of thumb says you lose about 4% of
your horse power per 1000 ft so all my horses are shetland ponies! The way
it works out, at 4000 ft my 80 HP engine will develop about 67 horse power.
Your elevation in North Dakota may be lower which will help the performance
of your A65.
I'd say, try the A65 and if the performance isn't what you hoped for, the
80 HP conversion is not difficult. Just get an old original Continental
Parts and Repair manual and the differences are called out. As I recall
the key differences were: higher compression pistons, different valves,
drill a hole in each rod cap for better oiling, and run the engine at a
higher RPM. I also balanced and ported and polished the engine. From
things Archie has said on this list, it's possible that porting and
polishing the intake passages may have eliminated some beneficial
turbulence so I'll see how it works. If I were to do it again, I wouldn't
mess with the intake passages. (Right Archie??)
How is the fuel system plumbed, Brad? Do you have wing tanks only, plumbed
directly to the gascolator and then to the carb with no boost pump? That's
how I hope to do it and I'm curious if a Piper Cub style burp or header
tank or boost pump is advisable.
Dave, 701 with A80 Continental
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