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1. 02:43 AM - prepurchase inspection 701 (Dave G.)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: Projects or completions in SC?Projects or completions in SC? (Tommy Walker)
3. 05:39 AM - How Much (Trell & Amy Hall)
4. 06:24 AM - Re: How Much (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
5. 06:30 AM - Re: Mo-money (Roland Smith)
6. 06:50 AM - Re: How Much (Clyde Barcus)
7. 06:58 AM - Re: Mo-money (Rick R)
8. 07:08 AM - Re: How Much (Clyde Barcus)
9. 07:34 AM - Re: Projects or completions in SC? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
10. 08:22 AM - Re: How Much (N5SL)
11. 09:38 AM - Re: How Much (William J. Naumuk)
12. 10:47 AM - Re: How Much (Paul Mulwitz)
13. 12:55 PM - Rivets (Thilo Kind)
14. 02:03 PM - Ray Allen - A great company (Bill Morelli)
15. 02:22 PM - Re: How Much (ron dewees)
16. 02:34 PM - Re: Rivets (William J. Naumuk)
17. 03:32 PM - Re: How Much (Larry McFarland)
18. 04:08 PM - Re: How Much (kevinbonds)
19. 05:24 PM - Re: How Much (JAPhillipsGA@AOL.COM)
20. 07:41 PM - Re: How Much (mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net)
21. 09:06 PM - Zodiac 601XL and CH701 on display (T. Graziano)
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| Subject: | prepurchase inspection 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave G." <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
I am looking to buy a 701. It is plans built, the seller seems like a truly
nice guy and nothing he has told me gives me much pause. The plane looks
good in pictures but I have yet to actually see it in person.
I'd like to do this right, is there a prepurchase checklist that I can
follow of questions to ask and things to look at? The aircraft is registered
as a basic U/L in Canada.
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| Subject: | Re: Projects or completions in SC?Projects or completions |
in SC?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
...snip: Hell, we can be civil, we just can't go taking leftists and
smokers into our
homes. Very few people can be counted on to leave their core beliefs
and
their cigarette smell at the door. Jeesszzz, I though a guy could be
selective about overnight house guests in America.
Ed Moody II
do not archive (or smoke) (or support socialists)
Ed Moody,
The last time I landed at LeGros International, two guys from Crowley were
holding flambeaus for runway lights. Glynn Mayard and Jessie Joubert. Know
them?
And are there any frogs left in Rayne since Rita?
Tommy Walker in Alabama
"I'm a tax and spend, affirmative action, confiscate your weapon liberal."
But I don't smoke.
do not archive.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trell & Amy Hall" <hallsplace@charter.net>
I have been looking at the 601XL for some time now. I think me & my wife would
enjoy the plane alot.
What I have to ask "How Much" does the plane cost w/ a corvar engine, Basic Avionics
, radio and intercom and also strobes.
Some people say maybe 20k but I do not want to scratch build
I can do my own Interior and Paint so please don't add this to the price.
And do you guys just have that much money laying around to pay cash or how do you
talk your wife
into letting you have the charge card?
Haven't started, NoMoMoney
Trell
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
Zenith kit price firewall aft: $15,900
Crating/ and shipping from ZAC : $500
Zero timed Corvair from W. W. : $6,700
601XL engine mount from W.W. : $700
Add about $10,000 for avionics and instruments if you buy retail and you come up
with about $34,000 with no paint or interior finish.
You can save the crating and shipping charges if you can drive to Mexico, MO to
pick up the kit yourself. You can save a bunch of money on avionics and instruments
by using Ebay. You can buy the component kits from ZAC and streach the
cost out over more time but it'll cost a bit more in total. You can save some
money if you build up your own engine.
for comparison, I have about $44,000 in my XL with a full IFR panel and a Stratus
Subaru. I bought most of my panel from Ebay auctions and paid about a third
of retail overall.
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trell & Amy Hall"
>
> I have been looking at the 601XL for some time now. I think me & my wife would
> enjoy the plane alot.
> What I have to ask "How Much" does the plane cost w/ a corvar engine, Basic
> Avionics , radio and intercom and also strobes.
> Some people say maybe 20k but I do not want to scratch build
> I can do my own Interior and Paint so please don't add this to the price.
> And do you guys just have that much money laying around to pay cash or how do
> you talk your wife
> into letting you have the charge card?
>
> Haven't started, NoMoMoney
> Trell
>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive
Zenith kit price firewall aft: $15,900
Crating/ and shippingfrom ZAC: $500
Zero timed Corvair from W. W. : $6,700
601XL engine mount from W.W.: $700
Add about $10,000 for avionics and instruments if you buy retail and you come up
with about $34,000 with no paint or interior finish.
You can save the crating and shipping charges if you can drive to Mexico, MO to
pick up the kit yourself. You can save a bunch of money on avionics and instruments
by using Ebay. You can buy the component kits from ZAC and streach the
cost out over more time but it'll cost a bit more in total. You can save some
money if you build up your own engine.
for comparison, I have about $44,000 in my XL with a full IFR panel and a Stratus
Subaru. I bought most of my panel from Ebay auctions and paid about a third
of retail overall.
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-- Zenith-List message posted by: "Trell Amy Hall" <HALLSPLACE@CHARTER.NET>
I have been looking at the 601XL for some time now. I think me my wife would
enjoy the plane alot.
What I have to ask "How Much" does the plane cost w/ a corvar engine, Basic
Avionics , radio and intercom and also strobes.
Some people say maybe 20k but I do not want to scratch build
I can do my own Interior and Paint so please don't add this to the price.
And do you guys just have that much money laying around to pay cash or how do
you talk your wife
into letting you have the charge card?
Haven't started, NoMoMoney
Trell
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roland Smith" <docponds@sover.net>
Yes, not cluttering the site with irrelevant and personal matters, except as related
to the purpose of the site, would be greatly appreciated.
As a busy 701 kit builder ( tail done and ready for R wing skins--anticipating
912 ULS and amphibious floats) and needing all the help I can get, the site
is important and very helpful to me. The daily communications are getting a
bit long and banter can be irritating, distracting and time consuming. Having
said that, whoever is talking during class, thanks for your being here when
you address topics to the group.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Roland Smith, Bennington Vermont
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
I think it could be plans built for around $25,000 if you are determined to
stick to a budget. I planned on building mine for under $30,000, at least
that what I told my wife, but you start adding options, etc. and the price
climbs quickly, a lot like a remodeling project. The basic kit as you know
is $15,890, a Corvair can be built for $3,000, mine looks like it will be
closer to $5,000, and instruments depends on your minimums. I had every
intention of sticking to a budget but I admit I failed, something my wife
reminded me of yesterday. That said, go for it, there is nothing like
completing a dream, build on a budget and add options when it fits.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL Corvair Powered
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Trell & Amy Hall" <hallsplace@charter.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: How Much
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trell & Amy Hall"
> <hallsplace@charter.net>
>
> I have been looking at the 601XL for some time now. I think me & my wife
> would enjoy the plane alot.
> What I have to ask "How Much" does the plane cost w/ a corvar engine,
> Basic Avionics , radio and intercom and also strobes.
> Some people say maybe 20k but I do not want to scratch build
> I can do my own Interior and Paint so please don't add this to the price.
> And do you guys just have that much money laying around to pay cash or how
> do you talk your wife
> into letting you have the charge card?
>
> Haven't started, NoMoMoney
> Trell
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R <n701rr@yahoo.com>
It's all good...it all went over my head. (I checked ...I looked up...) I'm
sorry for fat fingering on reply button to the list Vs a private post to ZR....
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Rick
Orlando, FL. USA
http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
My mistake, I meant to say kit built. William Wynne has said the corvair
conversion has been built for as little as $2,500. It depends a lot on how
good of a scrounger you are, as far as instruments, you can get by with darn
little and a hand held radio. $25,000 is possible, but most will spend
several thousand more. I have about 75% purchased and it looks like I will
be about $31,000, I could have shaved a few thousand if I tried hard enough.
Clyde Barcus:
601XL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trell & Amy Hall" <hallsplace@charter.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: How Much
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trell & Amy Hall"
> <hallsplace@charter.net>
>
> I have been looking at the 601XL for some time now. I think me & my wife
> would enjoy the plane alot.
> What I have to ask "How Much" does the plane cost w/ a corvar engine,
> Basic Avionics , radio and intercom and also strobes.
> Some people say maybe 20k but I do not want to scratch build
> I can do my own Interior and Paint so please don't add this to the price.
> And do you guys just have that much money laying around to pay cash or how
> do you talk your wife
> into letting you have the charge card?
>
> Haven't started, NoMoMoney
> Trell
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Projects or completions in SC? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Paul, you really got to loosen up a bit, maybe get a hobby, learn to do
something constructive with you mind and hands, Best regards, Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Trell:
Plans-building offers dramatic cost savings. I have around $10K into my airplane
and it's almost done. My engine is 90% complete. I plan to have a flying
601XL for around $15K next summer after three years of building. I've saved all
of my receipts so I can check this for accuracy after it's all done.
The cost stays pretty tame at first with sheets of aluminum and a few new tools.
The first big expenditure was the wheel and brake package at $500. Corvair
engine parts purchasing (forged pistons, machine work, etc.) was my next big
hit and the carburetor was the most expensive single item I've purchased so far
at $900.
Study William Wynne's site for a pretty realistic idea of what the Corvair engine will cost (www.flycorvair.com). The best thing for me about William's site is that he has built and is flying a 601XL with a Corvair engine. He knows what works and what doesn't. I'm just copying his installation and he has been great at answering questions and providing me with support.
I fabricated my engine mount after I learned to gas weld and that saved a lot of
money. I welded up all of the 4130 steel parts like the rudder pedals, main
gear supports and steps. This was my first attempt at gas welding and I find
it not that difficult and a lot of fun.
If I had to do it all over again I'd not even consider building from the kit - but that's just me. Larry McFarland's and Michel Therrien's websites (http://www.macsmachine.com/ and http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/) were a huge help to me and I was studying them months before I purchased my first sheet of aluminum. I'm proud to say you can see a photo of my bending brake (built from Larry's plans) posted on Larry's site under "bend brake" then "Special Offer." It's the green one at the top of the page. Mark Townsend and David Barth have put a lot of information at www.ch601.org also to help you out.
The best thing I did to get my project going was to attend the rudder workshop.
If you plan to build a ZAC airplane, be sure to get signed up for an upcoming
workshop and make the time to attend. Bring your wife along too.
I've documented my adventure at http://www.cooknwithgas.com/ which is an attempt to give back some of the help I've received from Larry and Michel and many, many others. I hope to be finishing up my wiring soon and have my engine mounted for the last time so I can install the firewall forward stuff that is sitting on my shelves. The foam for my seats and some cowhide I got on Ebay are at an upholstery shop being stitched up.
I can't give you any advice on talking your wife into letting you run up the charge
card.
Happy Building,
Scott Laughlin
N5SL (Reserved)
601XL / Corvair
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trell & Amy Hall"
I have been looking at the 601XL for some time now. I think me & my wife would
enjoy the plane alot.
or how do you talk your wife
into letting you have the charge card?
Haven't started, NoMoMoney
Trell
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trell & Amy Hall" <hallsplace@charter.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: How Much
Trell-
If you're factoring in your time and money is your prime consideration,
I recommend that you buy an Ercoupe and be flying tomorrow.
If you want the ultimate rewards and disappointments as a result of your
mental skills and manual dexterity with the lowest weekly outlay, build from
plans.
If you want the ultimate rewards and disappointments as a result of your
mental skills and manual dexterity with the highest weekly outlay, build
from a kit.
If you want to screw up, worry about the time and money spent.
As far as instumentation is concerned, with the recent explosion in
glass cockpit capability vs price, by the time you're ready to buy
instruments, steam gauges will be doorstops. I built my first computer in
'95, a 486-DX2-50 for just under $2K. I'm writing this on an Athlon 64 3.4G
I built last year for less than $600. Instrumentation will be lighter,
cheaper, and easier to install by the time you need to worry about it. Glass
cockpits are right on the edge of viability now!
As far as the powerplant is concerned, you probably won't know what
you're going to get until you sign the check. For me, the major
consideration is engine mount and cowling availability and price. The little
(Big) things will blow a budget to kingdom come, either time or initial
outlay-wise.
In retrospect, I should have built from plans. I sold my share in a
180HP C-172 to get out of having to pay for annuals and to finance my kit.
Unlike you, I'm already committed, and that's my overall recommendation.
Take the 4th paragraph to heart. Good luck!
Bill
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Bill,
I agree with much of your comments. However, it is the small parts I
disagree with that I will write about.
I think kit building is a good choice for some people, and scratch
building is a good choice for a different group of people. In both
cases, the amount of work and time involved in building an airplane
is so huge the most important question is whether or not the builder
will have the persistence and perseverance to complete the project.
From my point of view, the big differences between scratch building
and kit building are the skills needed and activities to be
performed. Scratch builders must do all the stuff kit builders do
(except dealing with problems in the kit). In addition they must
locate and purchase all the materials and parts, find contractors to
perform tasks they don't want to do themselves (like welding or
bending 12 foot sheets of aluminum) and inspect each little bit of
material to insure it is actually the correct stuff. For this effort
the scratch builder gets a relatively small saving in cash outlay and
freedom from the kit factory shipping backlog.
I suppose I should explain my reasoning about the "Relatively small
saving" scratch builders get. As a kit builder, I compare my cost
for the airplane to the cost of buying the same plane as a complete
factory built plane. A quick and dirty calculation tells me I can
get a new XL for around $40,000 building from kit and $80,000 buying
factory complete. If it takes a year of "Full time" effort for me to
accomplish that feat then I have saved $40,000 in a year. That is
roughly equivalent to the amount of money I got paid for working as
an engineer for the big companies - after deducting all the payroll taxes.
Perhaps by scratch building I could get the same plane for $30,000
but it might take me three years to do it instead of one. That means
my "Pay" for building my own plane is greater, $50,000, but the pay
rate is only $17,000 per year.
The bottom line, IMHO, is either scratch building or kit building is
a fine choice so long as the builder in question goes in with his eyes open.
Alas, your biggest point - to not spend a lot of time worrying about
the money - is wise but not possible for some potential
builders. There is just no way some people can come up with the
money to be an airplane owner no matter how much work they are
willing to do in lieu of cash in hand. For some people the first
step must be to change their financial life style to enable entry
into this fun little hobby.
Best regards,
Paul
XL wings (kit)
At 09:40 AM 10/9/2005, you wrote:
>If you want the ultimate rewards and disappointments as a result of your
>mental skills and manual dexterity with the lowest weekly outlay, build from
>plans.
> If you want the ultimate rewards and disappointments as a result of your
>mental skills and manual dexterity with the highest weekly outlay, build
>from a kit.
> If you want to screw up, worry about the time and money spent.
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Not really Zenith-related, but might be of interest....
Yesterday, my mom came to the airport and brought with her an old neighbour. The
guy is 84 and his doctor does not allow him to fly anymore - not even on a passanger
plane. He flew a Messerschmidt ME 100 in the world war II - this was
a 2 engine fighter plane. He was quite happy to be around planes again and told
a lot of interesting stories. Got shot down 3 times - one time by the German
flak.
Anyway, fighting mostly British Lancaster bombers during night raides, the planes
got pounded pretty well, so the mechanics had to change a lot of wing panels,
etc. He told me, that they had no blind rivets like on my Zodiac CH 601 HDS
(which, by the way, he liked very much). Instead, they used rivets with a small
explosive inside. The rivet was inserted into the holes and then heated with
a soldering iron. That caused the explosive to blow, which opened up the rivet
shack like an unbrella - voila, the rivet was set.
Now, that would be something on a Zodiac...
Happy building / flying
Thilo Kind
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| Subject: | Ray Allen - A great company |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
I have Ray Allen trim servos installed in my HDS which has 432 flight hours on
it.
Recently, a couple of LED's went out in both the aileron and elevator trim indicators.
I called Ray Allen and they had me ship the indicators back. Mine were purchased
way back in 1999 and they said some of the trim indicators from back in that
timeframe had been failing.
I shipped them on a Monday from Vermont to California and I received brand new
indicators back the following Monday.
There was no charge and they even included new stick on overlays and new mounting
hardware.
Since these indicators were way past the warranty period, I was not expecting Ray
Allen to fix them for free and certainly was not expecting new units.
Just wanted to recommend Ray Allen as an outstanding company to do business with.
Their trim servos work great also.
Regards,
Bill (N812BM - 601HDS - Tri - Stratus (RAM Heads) - Vermont - 432.6 flight
hrs. - 582 landings
web site -> http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Trell,
One more thing you might need to keep in mind if you opt to pick up your
components from ZAC in MO is that some states are very agressive in
tracking "lost" sales tax revenue. If you save crating charges
initially you may well have to pay state sales tax when you get a N
number or register your plane. If you can't prove you didn't buy from an
individual you will owe state tax on it. The law may vary in other
sates, but I went thru it in Georgia.
Good luck!
Ron DeWees
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bryanmmartin@comcast.net wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
>
>Zenith kit price firewall aft: $15,900
>Crating/ and shipping from ZAC : $500
>
>Zero timed Corvair from W. W. : $6,700
>601XL engine mount from W.W. : $700
>
>Add about $10,000 for avionics and instruments if you buy retail and you come
up with about $34,000 with no paint or interior finish.
>
>You can save the crating and shipping charges if you can drive to Mexico, MO to
pick up the kit yourself. You can save a bunch of money on avionics and instruments
by using Ebay. You can buy the component kits from ZAC and streach the
cost out over more time but it'll cost a bit more in total. You can save some
money if you build up your own engine.
>
>for comparison, I have about $44,000 in my XL with a full IFR panel and a Stratus
Subaru. I bought most of my panel from Ebay auctions and paid about a third
of retail overall.
>
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trell & Amy Hall"
>>
>>I have been looking at the 601XL for some time now. I think me & my wife would
>>enjoy the plane alot.
>>What I have to ask "How Much" does the plane cost w/ a corvar engine, Basic
>>Avionics , radio and intercom and also strobes.
>>Some people say maybe 20k but I do not want to scratch build
>>I can do my own Interior and Paint so please don't add this to the price.
>>And do you guys just have that much money laying around to pay cash or how do
>>you talk your wife
>>into letting you have the charge card?
>>
>>Haven't started, NoMoMoney
>>Trell
>>
>>
>>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Rivets
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
>
> Not really Zenith-related, but might be of interest....
>
> Yesterday, my mom came to the airport and brought with her an old
neighbour. The guy is 84 and his doctor does not allow him to fly anymore -
not even on a passanger plane. He flew a Messerschmidt ME 100 in
Thilo-
ME 110. My uncle was a Tech Sergeant and top turret gunner with the
100th Group of the 8th Air Corps, flying B-17s. From what he's told me,
explosive rivets don't surprise me.
Asked him one time what the nose art on his plane was, and he just said
"Plain Aluminum". They lost planes so fast, they didn't have time to paint
them.
Bill
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
I don't think scratch building should be all about money, because the
scope is too large and there isn't a lot there. You have to make the
jigs and all the tool setups before you can even think about making
parts. I've have the equivalent of two canopy-boxes full of jigs, forms
and tooling that went into the HDS. I do recommend, at the least, that
if you screw up a part, you should try to make the replacement part
yourself. You'll save a lot on part cost, trucking and learn enough to
scratch build as you go. And if you do decide you want to scratch build,
learn to do everything it takes, including welding, machining and
working thru the structural numbers to assure that you can build a safe
machine.
The best of being a scratch builder is that you are totally responsible
for anything you change and everything you maintain.
Mine took 5-1/2 years and well over the $35K most builders would spend
on a kit.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Do not archive
Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
>Hi Bill,
>
>I agree with much of your comments. However, it is the small parts I
>disagree with that I will write about.
>
>I think kit building is a good choice for some people, and scratch
>building is a good choice for a different group of people. In both
>cases, the amount of work and time involved in building an airplane
>is so huge the most important question is whether or not the builder
>will have the persistence and perseverance to complete the project.
>
>---------------------------------------------
>Paul Mulwitz
>32013 NE Dial Road
>Camas, WA 98607
>---------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Or you can do like me . . . Start scratch building; then decide that you
want to know everything there is to know about building airplanes; Quite
your current "career"; enroll in the nearest aviation engineering/technology
course and spend who knows haw many thousands of dollars on tuition, all
because you decided to build a little two seat "kitplane". :) (I don't know
why I can't just do things the easy way)
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry McFarland
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: How Much
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
I don't think scratch building should be all about money, because the
scope is too large and there isn't a lot there. You have to make the
jigs and all the tool setups before you can even think about making
parts. I've have the equivalent of two canopy-boxes full of jigs, forms
and tooling that went into the HDS. I do recommend, at the least, that
if you screw up a part, you should try to make the replacement part
yourself. You'll save a lot on part cost, trucking and learn enough to
scratch build as you go. And if you do decide you want to scratch build,
learn to do everything it takes, including welding, machining and
working thru the structural numbers to assure that you can build a safe
machine.
The best of being a scratch builder is that you are totally responsible
for anything you change and everything you maintain.
Mine took 5-1/2 years and well over the $35K most builders would spend
on a kit.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Do not archive
Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
<p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
>Hi Bill,
>
>I agree with much of your comments. However, it is the small parts I
>disagree with that I will write about.
>
>I think kit building is a good choice for some people, and scratch
>building is a good choice for a different group of people. In both
>cases, the amount of work and time involved in building an airplane
>is so huge the most important question is whether or not the builder
>will have the persistence and perseverance to complete the project.
>
>---------------------------------------------
>Paul Mulwitz
>32013 NE Dial Road
>Camas, WA 98607
>---------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Trell, another option to engine savings is to consider the use of a formally
certified airplane engine. Think of all the small certified aircraft that were
smashed up and never to be repaired in the last two big storms and their
engines perfectly good (maybe ? ) Think. There is a FWF kit (or at least there
used to be) for 235 out of the Cessna 150/152s. Make a XL fly fast and would save
a ton of $.... even over a 40 year old nationally rejected GM car motor lash
up. I put down over 17 K $ on my Jab FWF 3300 and though I am pleased and
happy with the plane I would not do it again. Not knowing what I know now. Best
to
you, Bill DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net" <mikeandlaurie3@netzero.net>
I dreamed of building for 10 years - wife always gave me a nod and a "uh huh honey".
Talked her into a flight in an RV6-A - they were gone for an hour! Took
her to Copperstate and sent her up in 601XL factory plane with Nick. She came
back grinning from ear to ear and said "why don't you order the kit, honey"
Working on fuselage now. Got a home equity loan for the money. Gonna retire (4
years) to Missouri and when we sell our house in AZ we'll be out of debt and 100K
+ in the bank.
I gotta believe finished price is gonna be 30K when it's all said and done.
Mike in AZ
I dreamed of building for 10 years - wife always gave me a nod and a "uh huh honey".
Talked her into a flight in an RV6-A - they were gone for an hour! Took
her to Copperstate and sent her up in 601XL factory plane with Nick. She came
back grinning from ear to ear and said "why don't you order the kit, honey"
Working on fuselage now. Got a home equity loan for the money. Gonna retire (4
years) to Missouri and when we sell our house in AZ we'll be out of debt and 100K
+ in the bank.
Igotta believe finished price is gonna be 30K when it's all said and done.
Mike in AZ
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601XL and CH701 on display |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
The Paris Tn EAA Chapter 734 will be hosting a Hamburger/Hotdog, chips and drink
fundraiser at the Paris/Henry County Airport (KPHT) on Saturday, October 22,
from 1000 hrs to 1400 hrs.
Experimental homebuilt airplanes will be on display including a Zodiac 601XL, a
Zenith CH701, an Avid Flyer and a Titan Tornado. Builders and pilots will be
happy to answer questions and talk AIRPLANES! with visitors.
KPHT is on the lower edge of St. Louis Sectional and is located about 70 miles
East and a little North of Nashville, Tn and about 130 miles NNE of Memphis, Tn.
Tony Graziano
601XL with Jabiru 3300A; N493TG
37.6 hrs into Phase I testing and having a heck of a lot of flying fun doing it.
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