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1. 04:24 AM - Kit or Plans building (Rick Tedford)
2. 05:56 AM - Re: Re: How Much (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
3. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: How Much (JOHN STARN)
4. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: How Much (JAPhillipsGA@AOL.COM)
5. 06:49 AM - Re: I need help already! (Larry McFarland)
6. 06:49 AM - My 601XL project is for sale (Geronimo423@aol.com)
7. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: How Much T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled versio... (JAPhillipsGA@AOL.COM)
8. 08:37 AM - Re: Questions regarding 601XL/Jabiru 3300 firewall fwd T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 (N5SL)
9. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: How Much? (Craig Payne)
10. 09:00 AM - Re: Questions regarding 601XL/Jabiru 3300 firewall fwd T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 (Craig Payne)
11. 11:28 AM - A6 Rivets in 601HD wing kit... (Graham Kirby)
12. 12:30 PM - Re: A6 Rivets in 601HD wing kit... (Larry McFarland)
13. 01:32 PM - Re: A6 Rivets in 601HD wing kit... (Jeff Davidson)
14. 02:51 PM - Re: A6 Rivets/ Control Kit for Sale (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
15. 02:56 PM - Re: Questions regarding 601XL/Jabiru 3300 firewall fwd (Lance Gingell)
16. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: How Much (William J. Naumuk)
17. 03:58 PM - Re: A6 Rivets in 601HD wing kit... (William J. Naumuk)
18. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: A6 Rivets/ Control Kit for Sale (Al Young)
19. 05:25 PM - Re: Kit or Plans building (David Alberti)
20. 07:02 PM - Re: Kit or Plans building (Larry)
21. 08:18 PM - Re: Kit or Plans building (Carlos Sa)
22. 08:49 PM - Re: Kit or Plans building (Gary A. Boothe)
23. 09:11 PM - Re: I need help already! (NYTerminat@aol.com)
24. 09:36 PM - Re: Re: A6 Rivets/ Control Kit for Sale (NYTerminat@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Kit or Plans building |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Tedford" <rick.tedford@sympatico.ca>
Hello All : When I put my kit together the next most helpful thing to aid me was
the " photo assembly guide " in the builder resources section of the ZAC web
site . Because they are colored a visualization is created . Larry is right when
he says the rudder instructions are very complete ( or something like that
) After the rudder is built the instructions start to be less wordy and perhaps
ZAC feels we must have learned something from the original spoon feeding of
the start . This is a good case for attending the rudder seminar .
In any event , I feel ZAC does a reasonable job ( if not good ) and I would not
hesitate to an other project , ( maybe a 701 )
Cheers
Rick
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OPP's, something/most everything is missing. Do Not Archive KABONG
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Brandon, On the way from my office to the airport where I keep my completed
and flying XL are two old 150/152 s that are setting in a pasture, out of time
and cannot be flown and I am pretty sure I can get both planes with engines
for the price of hauling them off the property. I have built engines since I was
a kid, Small block 301-327, 350, a big bore 427. Blown and fuel injected, I
have built engines for Mustangs, 289, 302, 351 Cleveland and 428, I have also
built drag bikes from Honda 750-4 bored to 1100, et 6.33, BSA 500, Triumph
650TT along with everything from 1600 VWs to Accuras, and Preludes for my son in
between so I understand that rebuilding simple, straight forward opposed 4
banger like a 235 would not be too difficult. Parts scrounging is an art form,
but it does take time. If you are near smaller airports where you live and you
look around you will see the same thing I see. Just look for planes tied down,
but the grass under them has not been cut all summer. Those are the ones
where the owner has let the inspections run out and it would cost more to bring
to
flying condition than the plane is worth, minus annual tax deprecation.
Another way to find such planes and possible engines for rebuilding is get your
CPA
to contact his or her buddies and learn whose clients have planes about
depreciated out tax wise. Then most likely they can be purchased for the cost
of
storage and liability insurance premium.
Lastly, Brandon, if I can be of any help to you please don't hesitate to
contact me. We all looking for a better way to go faster, cheaper, Best regards,
Bill in a 601XL-3300w/DC
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| Subject: | Re: I need help already! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Michael,
You're at the beginning, so things can be expected to go wrong
occasionally. I'd recommend you
acquire a quarter sheet of .016 from either Aircraft Spruce or one of
your friends and make the #3
rib over from scratch. It's an ideal part to have to start over with.
The drawings supersede anything
stated elsewhere. Take the time to read everything about the assembly
you're on, even well ahead of
where you're at so you don't have any surprises. Study the construction
manual for the rules and then
proceed slowly. Your tail group should take as much time to make as
your wings because you're learning
the construction rules from this group. Slow down and take your
time.........
If you need visuals on this, study the CDs ZAC provided and you're also
welcome to look at rudder and stabilizer
pictures on my site that show a progression and a degree of process. see
www.macsmachine.com or sample link.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/rudder/full/rudder-frame.gif
Realizing the HDS is different from your model as you diverge from the
rudder, but the principals are the same.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
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Michael Valentine wrote:
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>Hello all,
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>So, I took the plunge. For those of you who responded to my questions
>a couple weeks ago - thanks. Now I am the proud owner of a tail kit -
>but things are already going wrong! Before I even drilled a hole, I
>felt compelled to call the factory to confirm some measurements I
>didn't understand, and now, barely another hour in, I have another
>problem.
>
>I followed the text of the rudder manual - p. 11 of 16 - to install
>Rear Rib #3 with the flange up. (BTW, my RR#3 - 6T4-8 has the flange
>going the opposite direction of the other folds in the rib as all the
>drawings show.) Now, when I go back to install the nose rib, I
>realize that something must be wrong because they are supposed to line
>up. The drawings actually show the RR#3 flange pointed down. Of
>course, my holes aren't perfectly spaced, so I can't just turn it
>around.
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>Where did I go wrong? Is the manual misprinted? Am I really going to
>need to check the drawings for every single step? Obviously it is a
>cheap and easy lesson to learn this early, but is a bit frustrating
>nonetheless!
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>Thanks for any help you can provide.
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>Cheers, Michael Valentine
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| Subject: | My 601XL project is for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Geronimo423@aol.com
Dear List Members:
It's with deep regret I must sell my 601XL taildragger project. The airframe
is nearly done, including wings, and tail assembly. All are painted with
urethane paint and clear coated. I have the Corvair motor mount from William
Wynne ($700). Photos are available to anyone interested. This project won't take
long to finish. If you hustle up, you could be flying in the spring. All
that's left is FWD. I have some of the fittings and pieces for that, too. All
brand new. Covering the upper front fuselage over the instrument panel and
assembling the canopy, etc. Wiring is done from tail light all the way to the
seats. New 12 battery. Been inspected several times by my EAA Tech. Fuselage is
up on gear 6.00 x 6 tires. Brakes lines and brake cylinders installed. Every
available option built in except for the extended range fuel tanks. A complete
Corvair core engine goes with it. I have the rear accessory case redone by
William Wynne for it, too.
Reason for selling: The recent bankruptcy by Delphi Automotive affects 90
percent of my retirement. I'll have 40 years in next March and need to get out
for health reasons. I also have a totally disabled daughter to care for. I
hate to let this go, but I've run out of options.
If you are interested, please email me privately. I have plenty of photos if
anyone is interested. I'm located in central Ohio near the city of
Mansfield.
Price for everything is $18,000. This is less than what I paid. Project was
started in December 2003. I have to be firm on the price.
Regards
Roger Parnow
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versio...
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Craig, sorry my friend, I'm not proud of this, but in my youth I owned two of
them, both used. Neither would be as dependable as a brick. No amount of shop
time, money or effort would make them so, One I sold to another hopeful guy
(felt bad about it for years) and I abandoned the other in a parking lot. (It
set there for almost two years before being hauled off and no one tried to
steal anything off it) If your analysis of demand vis marketing is correct we
should all be driving Corvairs today, streets and garages, carports and highways
would be full of them. A man gets what he deserves or wants, Best regards, Bill
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| Subject: | Questions regarding 601XL/Jabiru 3300 firewall fwd |
T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Craig and Mark:
I'm all for supporting Vans and purchasing items from them (they have great stuff),
but if you want to save money by making your own, the EAA member's area has
an article on how to build them yourself. If you are an EAA member you can
log in at EAA.org and do a search on "firewall Grommet." There are figures showing
how it's done on the website. Here is some of the information to give
you the idea:
The Procedure
You won't need much in the way of equipment or materials.
1. The material to use is thin (.015") stainless steel . . . a few scrap pieces
will do. Stainless steel is very ductile and easily formed. Do not use aluminum
. . . its melting point is far lower than that of steel - something in the
range of 850-1200 degrees F.
2. You will also need a large socket wrench socket, and a short piece of steel
tubing that fits loosely over the end of the socket.
3. A small scrap piece of soft pine about 3/4" x 2" x 4" to be used as a back-up
block.
4. A large bench vise.
5. A pair of large metal tin snips.
With these five pieces of material and equipment at hand, you are ready to start
manufacturing your own custom made firewall grommet shields.
The basic idea is to use both the socket and the short tubing length as dies, and
your bench vise as an arbor press. You merely center the thin piece of stainless
steel piece between the socket and the tubing, slip the assembly into the
vise and squeeze. That's about it.
Good luck and happy building,
Scott Laughlin
N5SL - 601XL / Corvair
www.cooknwithgas.com
Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
"nice fireproof metal grommets"
Hah! I think I found what you are thinking of but I found them on Van's
site:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1128993311-78-363&brow
se=airframe&product=firewall-shields
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stauffer
Subject: Zenith-List: Questions regarding 601XL/Jabiru 3300 firewall fwd
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>> If your analysis of demand vis marketing is correct we should all be
driving Corvairs today, streets and garages, carports and highways would be
full of them.
Following this reasoning every car manufactured in the 60's was a flop. And
the VW Beetle was a dud too. And all the members of CORSA are masochists.
Odd, isn't it, that so few cars from the 60's have a fan club? I don't know
of a Ford Falcon club so they must have been even worse than the Corvair.
-- Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Craig, sorry my friend, I'm not proud of this, but in my youth I owned two
of them, both used. Neither would be as dependable as a brick. No amount of
shop time, money or effort would make them so, One I sold to another hopeful
guy (felt bad about it for years) and I abandoned the other in a parking
lot. (It set there for almost two years before being hauled off and no one
tried to steal anything off it) If your analysis of demand vis marketing is
correct we should all be driving Corvairs today, streets and garages,
carports and highways would be full of them. A man gets what he deserves or
wants, Best regards, Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Yes, similar information can be found in Bingelis's "Firewall Forward" on
page 66. Also on page 54 of "Tony Bingelis on Engines"
-- Craig
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Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Questions regarding 601XL/Jabiru 3300 firewall fwd
T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Craig and Mark:
I'm all for supporting Vans and purchasing items from them (they have great
stuff), but if you want to save money by making your own, the EAA member's
area has an article on how to build them yourself. If you are an EAA member
you can log in at EAA.org and do a search on "firewall Grommet." There are
figures showing how it's done on the website. Here is some of the
information to give you the idea:
The Procedure
You won't need much in the way of equipment or materials.
1. The material to use is thin (.015") stainless steel . . . a few scrap
pieces will do. Stainless steel is very ductile and easily formed. Do not
use aluminum . . . its melting point is far lower than that of steel -
something in the range of 850-1200 degrees F.
2. You will also need a large socket wrench socket, and a short piece of
steel tubing that fits loosely over the end of the socket.
3. A small scrap piece of soft pine about 3/4" x 2" x 4" to be used as a
back-up block.
4. A large bench vise.
5. A pair of large metal tin snips.
With these five pieces of material and equipment at hand, you are ready to
start manufacturing your own custom made firewall grommet shields.
The basic idea is to use both the socket and the short tubing length as
dies, and your bench vise as an arbor press. You merely center the thin
piece of stainless steel piece between the socket and the tubing, slip the
assembly into the vise and squeeze. That's about it.
Good luck and happy building,
Scott Laughlin
N5SL - 601XL / Corvair
www.cooknwithgas.com
Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
"nice fireproof metal grommets"
Hah! I think I found what you are thinking of but I found them on Van's
site:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1128993311-78-363&brow
se=airframe&product=firewall-shields
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stauffer
Subject: Zenith-List: Questions regarding 601XL/Jabiru 3300 firewall fwd
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer"
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| Subject: | A6 Rivets in 601HD wing kit... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" <graham@601hd.com>
I just found a small bag of 12 A6 size rivets that was included in my wing
kit but I can't find any mention in the plans of where these are used.
Are they just provided to help 'fix' oversized A5 holes, or have I missed
something...?
Thanks,
Graham Kirby
601HD
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| Subject: | Re: A6 Rivets in 601HD wing kit... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Graham,
I only had to use 4 in my HDS where the longeron angle and the spar cap
cross.
There are several places like that at the low side of the wing. Can't
be sure about
more of the HD wing. I hope you don't have to use A6 for any oversized
A5 holes.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
Graham Kirby wrote:
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>I just found a small bag of 12 A6 size rivets that was included in my wing
>kit but I can't find any mention in the plans of where these are used.
>
>Are they just provided to help 'fix' oversized A5 holes, or have I missed
>something...?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Graham Kirby
>601HD
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| Subject: | Re: A6 Rivets in 601HD wing kit... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeff Davidson <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Granham,
I was just wondering the same thing the other day. I used a couple A6s instead
of solid rivets for the L doubler on the additional rib for the LE fuel
tanks, but I don't remember seeing the A6 called for anywhere else. I also just
noted a reference for A3s (!) and wondered about them too. I dont' have the
plans here to check the page but it could have been 6F14 (steps) or the page
detailing the intersection of the rear fuselage woth the front. So I'll add
to the question: Anybody use any A3s on the 601 HD?
Jeff Davidson
RE: I just found a small bag of 12 A6 size rivets that was included in my wing
kit but I can't find any mention in the plans of where these are used.
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| Subject: | Re: A6 Rivets/ Control Kit for Sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Jeff, I used some of the little rivets on the nut plates for the cowls and
instrument panel and console. Never did figure out were the BIG rivets went.
Called Roger a couple years ago when I unpacked and he didn't know either. Mine
are still hanging in the shop on the peg board. Also have the yoke controls I
did not use. Anybody want to buy? I'll sell for half of whatever ZAC is
getting for the control kit I I will pay to mail (U.S.only) You foreigners will
have to add a bit, Best deal around, first come first served. One time only!!!
Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | RE: Questions regarding 601XL/Jabiru 3300 firewall fwd |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Mark,
You are lucky, the dual throttles in the FWF kit aren't nice. You have
a good choice in the vernier. I ran my choke to the right side of the
nose channel, as close as possible. It isn't ideal, but it works. More
pics on my website.
For the throttle cable, I suggest running it through and having a big
loop on the FWF side, then going into the carb (and bracket). This loop
will save you needing any tight bends.
Yes, I used a normal grommet, not a S/S fireproof one....although I'd
like a S/S cover for my electrical 'bundle'.
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
XL/3300/Flying :)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Zenith-List: Re: How Much
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
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Brandon-
When I said "Certified" engine, I meant FAA certified, not a "Certified"
rebuild. I personally am still looking at all the options, and only have one
bias- I don't like the idea of a redrive. Fewer parts to worry about. Hell,
my next major outlay is for another garage stall, because I'm running out of
parts to build that I can get out of the basement door! You just DON'T leave
your car out in snow country in the winter if you don't have to.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: A6 Rivets in 601HD wing kit... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A6 Rivets in 601HD wing kit...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeff Davidson
<jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
>
Jeff-
Depends. Are they blind, or solid rivets? If they're blind rivets, you
use them on the canopy. Why you got them with a wing kit is beyond me, but
at probably $1 a piece, they're "Rivets from heaven". Haven't got to the
point where there was any call for A6 solid, so can't help you there.
Bill
>
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| Subject: | Re: A6 Rivets/ Control Kit for Sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Bill- The A-6 rivets are shown on 6-B-24 (12/01 edition). They hold the
adel clamps next to the fuel shutoff valves that were on the cabin floor in
early editions of the XL plans.
The adel clamps were riveted to the Fuel shut off support trim to hold the
shut off valves up. No one uses this set up any more I don't think.
Regards,
Al Young
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
When I built my kit 601-HD I had a total of 6 photos to go by, no rudder
assembly picture book, only a few crude sketches and general assembly
sequence (like wings then fuselage then empennage if you get the drift).
You can imagine how helpful they were. I just used the plans, and a lot of
the time sat and went back and forth between the pages until I got a grasp
on what went where or what was next in the sequence. I think the photo
sequence can suck you in to making a mistake if a part got turned upside
down or a mirror image picture gets inserted in the sequence. Heck, Zenith
made a change to the wing skins making them all one piece but did not change
the plans; so I cut the skin to make it like the plans! I had to buy two new
pieces of material so that I had enough to finish the wing tips.
In my view the photos are nice but don't assume they are correct. Besides,
that's what the flyin's are for...photographing the planes that are
completed and increasing your reference base. Sometimes "I still can't
believe I built this thing", or wipe the smile off my face when I say it at
6500 feet.
Dave
posted by: "Rick Tedford" <rick.tedford@sympatico.ca>
Hello All : When I put my kit together the next most helpful thing to aid me
was the " photo assembly guide " in the builder resources section of the ZAC
web site . Because they are colored a visualization is created . Larry is
right when he says the rudder instructions are very complete ( or something
like that ) After the rudder is built the instructions start to be less
wordy and perhaps ZAC feels we must have learned something from the original
spoon feeding of the start . This is a good case for attending the rudder
seminar .
In any event , I feel ZAC does a reasonable job ( if not good ) and I would
not hesitate to an other project , ( maybe a 701 )
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
My trick is that when I get confused or totally screwed up, I leave it alone
for a while and at least sleep on it. Just quit and let it rest for a
while, it will come to you. Words of wisdom for today. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Kit or Plans building
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
>
> When I built my kit 601-HD I had a total of 6 photos to go by, no rudder
> assembly picture book, only a few crude sketches and general assembly
> sequence (like wings then fuselage then empennage if you get the drift).
> You can imagine how helpful they were. I just used the plans, and a lot
> of
> the time sat and went back and forth between the pages until I got a grasp
> on what went where or what was next in the sequence. I think the photo
> sequence can suck you in to making a mistake if a part got turned upside
> down or a mirror image picture gets inserted in the sequence. Heck,
> Zenith
> made a change to the wing skins making them all one piece but did not
> change
> the plans; so I cut the skin to make it like the plans! I had to buy two
> new
> pieces of material so that I had enough to finish the wing tips.
> In my view the photos are nice but don't assume they are correct.
> Besides,
> that's what the flyin's are for...photographing the planes that are
> completed and increasing your reference base. Sometimes "I still can't
> believe I built this thing", or wipe the smile off my face when I say it
> at
> 6500 feet.
>
> Dave
>
> posted by: "Rick Tedford" <rick.tedford@sympatico.ca>
>
> Hello All : When I put my kit together the next most helpful thing to aid
> me
> was the " photo assembly guide " in the builder resources section of the
> ZAC
> web site . Because they are colored a visualization is created . Larry is
> right when he says the rudder instructions are very complete ( or
> something
> like that ) After the rudder is built the instructions start to be less
> wordy and perhaps ZAC feels we must have learned something from the
> original
> spoon feeding of the start . This is a good case for attending the rudder
> seminar .
> In any event , I feel ZAC does a reasonable job ( if not good ) and I
> would
> not hesitate to an other project , ( maybe a 701 )
>
>
> --
> 10/10/2005
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Same here!
Actually, I allow miself three small mistakes or a big one per work session.
After than, to the shower I go.
Some days I shower a lot... :o)
Carlos
CH601-HD
Playing with a LED sequencer while the gas tank parts don't arrive.
do not archive
--- Larry <lrm01@centurytel.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
>
> My trick is that when I get confused or totally screwed up, I leave it alone
> for a while and at least sleep on it. Just quit and let it rest for a
> while, it will come to you. Words of wisdom for today. Larry N1345L
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Great minds think alike (even if it's about the mistakes they make)!
Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca
<gboothe@calply.com>
601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete
Tail Group - complete. Working on Wings...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Kit or Plans building
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Same here!
>
> Actually, I allow miself three small mistakes or a big one per work
> session.
> After than, to the shower I go.
>
> Some days I shower a lot... :o)
>
>
> Carlos
>
> CH601-HD
> Playing with a LED sequencer while the gas tank parts don't arrive.
> do not archive
>
> --- Larry <lrm01@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
>>
>> My trick is that when I get confused or totally screwed up, I leave it
>> alone
>> for a while and at least sleep on it. Just quit and let it rest for a
>> while, it will come to you. Words of wisdom for today. Larry N1345L
>
>
> Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
-Michael
One thing that I would add to Larry's excellent comments is that I found that
if something is in question, look ahead in the photo guide. I have found that
what was in question was 2 or 3 pages later in the guide. All the information
that is needed to build the plane is somewhere on the plans. Once you learn
to navigate in the plans, you will be more confident building your plane.
Bob Spudis
CH-701/912S
-> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Michael,
You're at the beginning, so things can be expected to go wrong
occasionally. I'd recommend you
acquire a quarter sheet of .016 from either Aircraft Spruce or one of
your friends and make the #3
rib over from scratch. It's an ideal part to have to start over with.
The drawings supersede anything
stated elsewhere. Take the time to read everything about the assembly
you're on, even well ahead of
where you're at so you don't have any surprises. Study the construction
manual for the rules and then
proceed slowly. Your tail group should take as much time to make as
your wings because you're learning
the construction rules from this group. Slow down and take your
time.........
If you need visuals on this, study the CDs ZAC provided and you're also
welcome to look at rudder and stabilizer
pictures on my site that show a progression and a degree of process. see
www.macsmachine.com or sample link.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/rudder/full/rudder-frame.gif
Realizing the HDS is different from your model as you diverge from the
rudder, but the principals are the same.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
A6 rivets usually used for Adel clamps for fuel lines
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