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1. 04:26 AM - Re: Projects or completions in SC? (Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: I need help already! (ROBERT SCEPPA)
3. 09:03 AM - Malco shear knock off (Brett Hanley)
4. 12:50 PM - Re: I need help already! (NYTerminat@aol.com)
5. 12:59 PM - A4 versus A5 Rivets (Samm Munn)
6. 01:27 PM - Re: A4 versus A5 Rivets (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 01:46 PM - Re: Battery Purchase (NYTerminat@aol.com)
8. 01:50 PM - Carb heat sensor (NYTerminat@aol.com)
9. 02:51 PM - Re: Kit or Plans building (William J. Naumuk)
10. 03:23 PM - Re: Kit or Plans building (William J. Naumuk)
11. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: Battery Purchase (george may)
12. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: Battery Purchase (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
13. 04:25 PM - Re: A4 versus A5 Rivets (Larry McFarland)
14. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: Battery Purchase (Larry McFarland)
15. 07:09 PM - Re: (This is) How Much (Trell & Amy Hall)
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| Subject: | re: Projects or completions in SC? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta" <Stephen.Adams@HCAhealthcare.com>
Kevin,
I completed and am flying a CH640 out of Augusta GA. Last week I flew over to the
Charleston area and back. If your interested in a ride sometime let me know.
Steve Adams
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| Subject: | Re: I need help already! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> Michael, perhaps you can tell me something I am
> puzzled about. I see these angle aluminum pieces
> located on the spar of the 701. I can't find out
> what thickness or dimensions of what there supposed
> to be, not spelled out on any of the pages of plans.
> Bob Sceppa rjscep@yhaoo.com
--- NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> NYTerminat@aol.com
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> -Michael
>
> One thing that I would add to Larry's excellent
> comments is that I found that
> if something is in question, look ahead in the photo
> guide. I have found that
> what was in question was 2 or 3 pages later in the
> guide. All the information
> that is needed to build the plane is somewhere on
> the plans. Once you learn
> to navigate in the plans, you will be more confident
> building your plane.
>
> Bob Spudis
> CH-701/912S
>
>
> -> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Michael,
> You're at the beginning, so things can be expected
> to go wrong
> occasionally. I'd recommend you
> acquire a quarter sheet of .016 from either Aircraft
> Spruce or one of
> your friends and make the #3
> rib over from scratch. It's an ideal part to have
> to start over with.
> The drawings supersede anything
> stated elsewhere. Take the time to read everything
> about the assembly
> you're on, even well ahead of
> where you're at so you don't have any surprises.
> Study the construction
> manual for the rules and then
> proceed slowly. Your tail group should take as much
> time to make as
> your wings because you're learning
> the construction rules from this group. Slow down
> and take your
> time.........
> If you need visuals on this, study the CDs ZAC
> provided and you're also
> welcome to look at rudder and stabilizer
> pictures on my site that show a progression and a
> degree of process. see
> www.macsmachine.com or sample link.
>
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/rudder/full/rudder-frame.gif
> Realizing the HDS is different from your model as
> you diverge from the
> rudder, but the principals are the same.
> Good luck,
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS
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| Subject: | Malco shear knock off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com>
Harbor freight now sells a pair of hand shears that
are a knock off of the smaller Malco shears. They are
$12.99 including a extra set of blades. They seem to
be of excellent quality.
Brett
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| Subject: | Re: I need help already! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
The angles are L's of which you will use a lot of. They are the 4' lengths
that come with the kit. You cut off the length that is required. If the angle is
specified, look for the part. There are some heavier thickness material
included in the kit. If there is no listing or just calls for "L" then it's the
standard angle that are in lengths. Look at the detail on the bottom left of 7-G-2
Bob Spudis
CH-701/912S
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| Subject: | A4 versus A5 Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Samm Munn" <heliav8r@swbell.net>
I've seen several messages and replies that address substituting one to several
A5 rivets instead of A4s. Most involve overdrilled holes, etc.
My question is, can you substitute ALL A5 rivets for the A4s?
Samm
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine
de St-Exup=E9ry
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| Subject: | A4 versus A5 Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
You could but it would be pretty ugly and make a little more drag. You
need to be careful of edge distances too...I.e too close to an edge with
an A5 could give you a weaker joint than if you stuck with the A4.
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Samm Munn
Subject: Zenith-List: A4 versus A5 Rivets
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Samm Munn" <heliav8r@swbell.net>
I've seen several messages and replies that address substituting one to
several A5 rivets instead of A4s. Most involve overdrilled holes, etc.
My question is, can you substitute ALL A5 rivets for the A4s?
Samm
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de St-Exup=E9ry
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| Subject: | RE: Battery Purchase |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Dear List:
I have been painting my aircraft and will soon be mounting the engine. What
is the best battery for the 701 with the 912S? I am looking for a sealed
battery and battery box.
Bob Spudis
CH-701/912S
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| Subject: | Carb heat sensor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Dear List:
Has anyone installed carb heat sensors for the 912S engine? Where do they go?
Is there a tapped hole for them or do I make it? Or should I not bother
because it is not necessary?
Thanks for your reply
Bob Spudis
CH-701/912S
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| Subject: | Re: Kit or Plans building |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Kit or Plans building
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
>
Dave-
Fly ins around here will do you no good if you're looking for Zodiacs- I
didn't see my first Zenith up close and personal until a couple of months
ago, and it came from hundreds of miles away! Unless things have changed,
I'm the only one I know of in about 100 mile radius building a Zenith.
I totally agree with you on the instructional materials- nothing jives.
Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kit or Plans building |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Kit or Plans building
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
>
> My trick is that when I get confused or totally screwed up, I leave it
alone
> for a while and at least sleep on it. Just quit and let it rest for a
> while, it will come to you. Words of wisdom for today. Larry N1345L
All-
This is why my main advice to a new or prospective kit builder is to
disregard a "Quick build" and forget about a budget. They're both arbitrary
constraints guaranteed to help you screw up if you worry about keeping to
them.
In the beginning, you figure, "If I work 40 hours a week on the project,
I'll be able to finish it in X months". If you don't put your 40 hours in,
you feel guilty, and, until you've been burned enough times to realize it,
sometimes you have to put 39 hours in figuring out the instructions,
researching, ordering and waiting for the right tool, learning how to use
the tool on SCRAP instead of the plane, etc., etc. to actually make 1 hour's
progress. Agreed?
From a money aspect, "I'll blow the budget buying a batch of $50 tools
I'll only use once. The ad said I could build this kit using only a hammer
and cold chisel, and by God, I will!"
Thanks to genetics, I didn't have the last problem. I'm directly related
to either Tim the Tool Man Taylor or Al Borland. (Realistically, Red
Green!!)
Bill
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> >
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| Subject: | RE: Battery Purchase |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Bob--
I'll be using the Odyessy from Aircraft Spruce Part #11-02233 ODYSSEY
DRY CELL PC-680
This one also seams to be a favorite with the RV guys.
George May
601XL 912S
>From: NYTerminat@aol.com
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Battery Purchase
>Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:42:53 EDT
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>
>Dear List:
>
>I have been painting my aircraft and will soon be mounting the engine. What
>is the best battery for the 701 with the 912S? I am looking for a sealed
>battery and battery box.
>
>Bob Spudis
>
>CH-701/912S
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Battery Purchase |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yup it is...Very low internal resistance and I'll be using one on my RV.
To be honest though its more than you need for a Zodiac...You can get a
17AH batt from www.batteries.com that works perfectly well for these
smaller engines and is also dirt cheap..Like $25 or so...
Then again the Odyssey is not THAT much money ($80) but if it were me
I'd save the money.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Battery Purchase
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Bob--
I'll be using the Odyessy from Aircraft Spruce Part #11-02233
ODYSSEY
DRY CELL PC-680
This one also seams to be a favorite with the RV guys.
George May
601XL 912S
>From: NYTerminat@aol.com
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Battery Purchase
>Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:42:53 EDT
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>
>Dear List:
>
>I have been painting my aircraft and will soon be mounting the engine.
>What is the best battery for the 701 with the 912S? I am looking for a
>sealed battery and battery box.
>
>Bob Spudis
>
>CH-701/912S
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A4 versus A5 Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Samm,
You don't want to do that because all A5s will not improve either the
strength or the appearance of your airplane.
There is no economy in doing it either. The A4s compliment the material
thickness on all your surfaces. You'll notice
that A5s, as grouped at the junction of the upper forward and rear
longerons will have a slightly bumpy appearance that
you'd not want to see repeated on your ribs and other relatively
"smooth" surfaces.
Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com
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Samm Munn wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Samm Munn" <heliav8r@swbell.net>
>
>I've seen several messages and replies that address substituting one to several
A5 rivets instead of A4s. Most involve overdrilled holes, etc.
>
>My question is, can you substitute ALL A5 rivets for the A4s?
>
>
>Samm
>I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine
de St-Exup=E9ry
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Battery Purchase |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Bob,
I'd bet that it could be an 18-amp hour sealed lead acid battery from
Batteries Plus. I start my Stratus Subaru easily with one even though
I have an extra one installed for ignition backup.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at 75 hours
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NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>
>Dear List:
>
>I have been painting my aircraft and will soon be mounting the engine. What
>is the best battery for the 701 with the 912S? I am looking for a sealed
>battery and battery box.
>
>Bob Spudis
>
>CH-701/912S
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (This is) How Much |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trell & Amy Hall" <hallsplace@charter.net>
Thanks for the info on the prices on the 601XL
People on the list start shit about anything
All I was trying to do was ask, "what do I have to spend"
The guys in my EAA chapter would laugh out loud if I came up in a Ultralight
The biggest thing is the avionics and instruments, I just don't know what I
will need
I think I will start with the bare basics and add them as I need them
Just Thinking
Trell
----- Original Message -----
From: "N5SL" <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: (This is) How Much
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> For those following this thread from yesterday, I added up all my receipts
today and have $10,187.05 invested in my almost complete airplane and engine
(minus canopy). This includes the ZAC plans, the rudder school with travel
and lodging, most of the parts to finish my engine, a little third-party
work such as bending, machine work and powder-coating, all of the aluminum,
nuts, bolts, cables, wire, primer and rivets to finish the tail, wings and
fuselage, and all instrumentation including flight instruments, engine
instruments, radio and transponder. I have budgeted another $5,000 to
complete the project by next summer.
>
> This of course does not account for my time over the past three years
which was donated for free since I find it very enjoyable. But that's just
me.
>
> Lastly I can't put a price on the valuable help I've received from fellow
builders that make up a list too long to mention which is one of the reasons
I like this hobby - it's a great group of folks to be associated with.
>
> Happy Building,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
> 601XL / W_Wynne_Corvair Conversion
> Working on Wiring and FWF
>
>
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>
>
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