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1. 05:04 AM - ch701 912 vibration (Graeme Bell)
2. 05:55 AM - Re: I need help already! (ROBERT SCEPPA)
3. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: Battery Purchase (Pete Krotje)
4. 06:37 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/12/05 (Grant Corriveau)
5. 06:49 AM - Re: I need help already! (doug kandle)
6. 06:53 AM - Re: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) (N5SL)
7. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Battery Purchase (george may)
8. 07:32 AM - Re: for sale ch701 materials and plans (CHUCK KELLY)
9. 07:37 AM - Re: CAM 100 (Jean-Paul Roy)
10. 08:00 AM - Re: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) (Hunt Malcolm)
11. 08:14 AM - Re: Tools (Larry Bohannon)
12. 08:36 AM - Re: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) (Robert Schoenberger)
13. 08:44 AM - Re: Tools (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
14. 09:06 AM - Re: Tools (N5SL)
15. 10:15 AM - Re: Tools ()
16. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Battery Purchase (NYTerminat@aol.com)
17. 10:59 AM - Re: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) (george may)
18. 11:02 AM - Possible swaging tool source (Zed Smith)
19. 12:11 PM - First SLSA 601XL Demonstrated Performance (jim)
20. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: Battery Purchase (Leo Corbalis)
21. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: Tools ()
22. 01:03 PM - Re: (This is) How Much (n801bh@netzero.com)
23. 01:53 PM - Re: ch701 912 vibration (szewc@direcway.com)
24. 03:29 PM - Re: Tools (Monty Graves)
25. 03:31 PM - Re: First SLSA 601XL Demonstrated Performance (JOHN STARN)
26. 03:51 PM - Re: Tools (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
27. 04:00 PM - No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Allen Ricks)
28. 04:11 PM - Re: Tools (Bryan Martin)
29. 04:32 PM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
30. 05:04 PM - baffle strips (john butterfield)
31. 05:08 PM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Allen Ricks)
32. 06:01 PM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Paul Mulwitz)
33. 06:19 PM - Re: First SLSA 601XL Demonstrated Performance (Jim Pellien)
34. 06:37 PM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Jim Pellien)
35. 06:39 PM - A6 Rivet Use in CH 601 HD & HDS Wing Kit (Rick Herndon)
36. 06:54 PM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Jim Pellien)
37. 06:58 PM - Re: Tools (Tebenkof@aol.com)
38. 07:08 PM - MA-3SPA (gpjann@juno.com)
39. 07:29 PM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (JOHN STARN)
40. 07:36 PM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (NYTerminat@aol.com)
41. 07:48 PM - Re: Tools (Edward Moody II)
42. 08:05 PM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Jim Pellien)
43. 08:29 PM - Best Battery (Brett Hanley)
44. 08:53 PM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Allen Ricks)
45. 09:06 PM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Craig Payne)
46. 09:35 PM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Paul Mulwitz)
47. 11:36 PM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (JOHN STARN)
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| Subject: | ch701 912 vibration |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graeme Bell" <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
I have a vibration? in a ch701 with a recently fitted 20hrs s/hand 912a motor
1100 hrs total time slipper clutch powerfin 68" seems to have slightly more vibration
between 4500 and 5200 rpm is this normal for this combination or am I
just paranoid?
Graeme Bell
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| Subject: | Re: I need help already! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> Thanks Bob, but I am a plans builder. Just give me
> the thickness and the width and I will appreciate
> your info, I can't find it any of the sheets.
> Bob Sceppa
--- NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> NYTerminat@aol.com
>
> The angles are L's of which you will use a lot of.
> They are the 4' lengths
> that come with the kit. You cut off the length that
> is required. If the angle is
> specified, look for the part. There are some heavier
> thickness material
> included in the kit. If there is no listing or just
> calls for "L" then it's the
> standard angle that are in lengths. Look at the
> detail on the bottom left of 7-G-2
>
> Bob Spudis
>
> CH-701/912S
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________
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| Subject: | RE: Battery Purchase |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" <pkrotje@athenet.net>
George,
Save $20.00 on the PC 680 at www.batteries4everything.com
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Battery Purchase
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Bob--
I'll be using the Odyessy from Aircraft Spruce Part #11-02233 ODYSSEY
DRY CELL PC-680
This one also seams to be a favorite with the RV guys.
George May
601XL 912S
>From: NYTerminat@aol.com
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Battery Purchase
>Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:42:53 EDT
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>
>Dear List:
>
>I have been painting my aircraft and will soon be mounting the engine.
>What is the best battery for the 701 with the 912S? I am looking for a
>sealed battery and battery box.
>
>Bob Spudis
>
>CH-701/912S
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/12/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> Bob,
> I'd bet that it could be an 18-amp hour sealed lead acid battery from
> Batteries Plus. I start my Stratus Subaru easily with one even though
> I have an extra one installed for ignition backup.
I use a similar battery setup. Mine are specifically motorcycle batteries.
One is still going fine after 5+ years, including a couple of winters just
sitting in the garage in the plane. The other one I just renewed this year
when it began to get too weak to crank the engine.
Now that I'm actively flying, the plan is to install one new one each year
(ala Bob Nucholl's recommendations). They are simple to install requiring
no special trays or containers - just a good solid braket to hold them.
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: I need help already! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
Look on page 7-G-2. There you will see parts "L" and "Z", standard
'L' Angle and Standard 'Z' angle
At 06:54 AM 10/13/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
>
> > Thanks Bob, but I am a plans builder. Just give me
> > the thickness and the width and I will appreciate
> > your info, I can't find it any of the sheets.
> > Bob Sceppa
>
>--- NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> > NYTerminat@aol.com
> >
> > The angles are L's of which you will use a lot of.
> > They are the 4' lengths
> > that come with the kit. You cut off the length that
> > is required. If the angle is
> > specified, look for the part. There are some heavier
> > thickness material
> > included in the kit. If there is no listing or just
> > calls for "L" then it's the
> > standard angle that are in lengths. Look at the
> > detail on the bottom left of 7-G-2
> >
> > Bob Spudis
> >
> > CH-701/912S
> >
> >
> >
> > browse
> > Subscriptions page,
> > FAQ,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Good Morning Bob:
Standard "L" angle (for the 601XL) is listed as:
t=.025" with dl of 36 and 19mm on each side of the "L."
I uploaded a scan from 6-B-1 of my XL drawings (the first fuselage drawing) here:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Standard_L_Angle.jpg
Instead of bending a bunch of 4' lengths, I just bend it as I need it from scraps.
There are lots of scraps from the wings - another good reason to do the wings
first.
I hope this helps,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
601XL / Corvair
Working on my Engine
ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA
> Thanks Bob, but I am a plans builder. Just give me
> the thickness and the width and I will appreciate
> your info, I can't find it any of the sheets.
> Bob Sceppa
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| Subject: | RE: Battery Purchase |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Pete
Probably a good idea, however, I've already got the Odyessy. Thanks
anyway--
George
do not archive
>From: "Pete Krotje" <pkrotje@athenet.net>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Battery Purchase
>Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:10:51 -0500
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" <pkrotje@athenet.net>
>
>George,
>
>Save $20.00 on the PC 680 at www.batteries4everything.com
>
>Pete
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Battery Purchase
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
>
>Bob--
> I'll be using the Odyessy from Aircraft Spruce Part #11-02233 ODYSSEY
>DRY CELL PC-680
>This one also seams to be a favorite with the RV guys.
>
>George May
>601XL 912S
>
>
> >From: NYTerminat@aol.com
> >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Battery Purchase
> >Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:42:53 EDT
> >
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
> >
> >Dear List:
> >
> >I have been painting my aircraft and will soon be mounting the engine.
> >What is the best battery for the 701 with the 912S? I am looking for a
> >sealed battery and battery box.
> >
> >Bob Spudis
> >
> >CH-701/912S
> >
> >
>
>
Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: for sale ch701 materials and plans |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "CHUCK KELLY" <heavy707@comcast.net>
For Sale CH701 materials and plans partially completed wings almost done. Large
pieces have all been sheared to size.
$2500 firm
18' box trailer available to haul it home. $1200. Will e-mail pix if interested.
Located in Vancouver Washington just across the river from Portland Oregon.
heavy707@comcast.net
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
Grant, how do you make out with your Cam 100. Would you recommend it for a
701. Thanks
Jean-Paul (just ordered my plans) Roy
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Corriveau" <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/12/05
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> > Bob,
> > I'd bet that it could be an 18-amp hour sealed lead acid battery from
> > Batteries Plus. I start my Stratus Subaru easily with one even though
> > I have an extra one installed for ignition backup.
>
> I use a similar battery setup. Mine are specifically motorcycle
batteries.
> One is still going fine after 5+ years, including a couple of winters just
> sitting in the garage in the plane. The other one I just renewed this
year
> when it began to get too weak to crank the engine.
>
> Now that I'm actively flying, the plan is to install one new one each year
> (ala Bob Nucholl's recommendations). They are simple to install requiring
> no special trays or containers - just a good solid braket to hold them.
>
> --
> Grant Corriveau
> C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
>
>
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| Subject: | STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
List
Whilst we have the drawings out, mine have not printed well on a couple
of prints, can anyone confirm the following 601XL drawing dimensions?
Dwg 6-B-1 Dimension at extreme right of part 6B1-4 (next to 1132).
Dwg 6-W-6 Co-ordinate for Rib 1 X800, YL =....?
Rib 5 X800, YU =....?
Many thanks in advance
Malcolm Hunt
Plans Builder CH601xl England.
Do no archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Good Morning Bob:
Standard "L" angle (for the 601XL) is listed as:
t=.025" with dl of 36 and 19mm on each side of the "L."
I uploaded a scan from 6-B-1 of my XL drawings (the first fuselage
drawing) here:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Standard_L_Angle.jpg
Instead of bending a bunch of 4' lengths, I just bend it as I need it
from scraps. There are lots of scraps from the wings - another good
reason to do the wings first.
I hope this helps,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
601XL / Corvair
Working on my Engine
ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA
> Thanks Bob, but I am a plans builder. Just give me
> the thickness and the width and I will appreciate
> your info, I can't find it any of the sheets.
> Bob Sceppa
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" <larryb54@alltel.net>
I'm just about ready to start installing the controls in my 701. The bellcrank
calls for a few solid rivets which I have no tool to set them. Does anyone know
of a quick easy way to set these rivets without having to buy an expensive tool
just to do a few rivets? Also, it looks like I'm going to have to buy a swaging
tool. Anyone know of a source of these that won't break the budget?
Larry Bohannon
Winder, Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
I don't think it's a bad idea to make the L flanges slightly oversized, say
22 mm instead of 19mm. Surely will help with close edge distances. Robert
Schoenberger 701 60%
----- Original Message -----
From: "N5SL" <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Good Morning Bob:
>
> Standard "L" angle (for the 601XL) is listed as:
>
> t=.025" with dl of 36 and 19mm on each side of the "L."
>
> I uploaded a scan from 6-B-1 of my XL drawings (the first fuselage
> drawing) here:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Standard_L_Angle.jpg
>
> Instead of bending a bunch of 4' lengths, I just bend it as I need it from
> scraps. There are lots of scraps from the wings - another good reason to
> do the wings first.
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
> 601XL / Corvair
> Working on my Engine
>
>
> ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA
>
>> Thanks Bob, but I am a plans builder. Just give me
>> the thickness and the width and I will appreciate
>> your info, I can't find it any of the sheets.
>> Bob Sceppa
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Crush the rivets in a vice...You can dress them with a flat punch and
hammer.
Swaging tool...Hmm..see if there are any other builders nearby...Your
local boat builder may have one as they do saftey cabels and stuff.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Bohannon
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon"
--> <larryb54@alltel.net>
I'm just about ready to start installing the controls in my 701. The
bellcrank calls for a few solid rivets which I have no tool to set them.
Does anyone know of a quick easy way to set these rivets without having
to buy an expensive tool just to do a few rivets? Also, it looks like
I'm going to have to buy a swaging tool. Anyone know of a source of
these that won't break the budget?
Larry Bohannon
Winder, Georgia
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Larry:
I did mine like this:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/11_7_03_BellCrankRivet.JPG
$29.99 from Harbor Freight. Bob Avery can supply you with the rivet heads. He's the one that gave me the idea - even mailed me an advertisement with a coupon for harbor freight. Call Bob at 800-652-8379 or www.averytools.com for the rivet head you need. Use the arbor for the "shop head."
Here's the link to the arbor press at H.F.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3551
Good luck,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Working on FWF and Wiring.
Larry Bohannon <larryb54@alltel.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon"
I'm just about ready to start installing the controls in my 701. The bellcrank
calls for a few solid rivets which I have no tool to set them. Does anyone know
of a quick easy way to set these rivets without having to buy an expensive tool
just to do a few rivets? Also, it looks like I'm going to have to buy a swaging
tool. Anyone know of a source of these that won't break the budget?
Larry Bohannon
Winder, Georgia
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
Three possible ways to go come to mind. 1: Airparts in Merriam KS has small swagers
for approx $21. They look like the clamp on a tube flaring tool, and tighten
down with two bolts. 2: Tractor supply has a fence-wire swaging tool, looks
like a pair of bolt cutters with swaging jaws, goes for about $55. 3: Grind
down the necessary hole (I believe it's .355 for 1/8" cable) in a pair of bolt
cutters, for about $15 plus Dremel grinding stones. Add about 18 inches of tubing
for extended handles for extra leverage, and they work pretty well.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bohannon<mailto:larryb54@alltel.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" <larryb54@alltel.net<mailto:larryb54@alltel.net>>
I'm just about ready to start installing the controls in my 701. The bellcrank
calls for a few solid rivets which I have no tool to set them. Does anyone know
of a quick easy way to set these rivets without having to buy an expensive
tool just to do a few rivets? Also, it looks like I'm going to have to buy a
swaging tool. Anyone know of a source of these that won't break the budget?
Larry Bohannon
Winder, Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Battery Purchase |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
List:
Thanks for the info on the battery. I ordered the PC680. I'm so far over
budget that another $50.00 or so doesn't matter.
Bob Spudis
CH-701/912S
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| Subject: | STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Malcolm--
6-B-1 dimension far right of 6=b=4 is 1130
Dwg 6-W-6 Co-ordinate for Rib 1 X800, YL =....?----is 37.6
> Rib 5 X800, YU =....?----is 94.6
George May
601XL 912S
>From: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!)
>Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:00:07 +0100
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm"
><Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
>
>List
>
>Whilst we have the drawings out, mine have not printed well on a couple
>of prints, can anyone confirm the following 601XL drawing dimensions?
>
>Dwg 6-B-1 Dimension at extreme right of part 6B1-4 (next to 1132).
>
>Dwg 6-W-6 Co-ordinate for Rib 1 X800, YL =....?
> Rib 5 X800, YU =....?
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>Malcolm Hunt
>Plans Builder CH601xl England.
>
>Do no archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!)
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
>Good Morning Bob:
>
>Standard "L" angle (for the 601XL) is listed as:
>
> t=.025" with dl of 36 and 19mm on each side of the "L."
>
>I uploaded a scan from 6-B-1 of my XL drawings (the first fuselage
>drawing) here:
>
>http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Standard_L_Angle.jpg
>
>Instead of bending a bunch of 4' lengths, I just bend it as I need it
>from scraps. There are lots of scraps from the wings - another good
>reason to do the wings first.
>
>I hope this helps,
>
>Scott Laughlin
>www.cooknwithgas.com
>601XL / Corvair
>Working on my Engine
>
>
>ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com> wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA
>
> > Thanks Bob, but I am a plans builder. Just give me
> > the thickness and the width and I will appreciate
> > your info, I can't find it any of the sheets.
> > Bob Sceppa
>
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>
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| Subject: | Possible swaging tool source |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
If you are acquainted with any local power company linemen there may be a die of
the correct size on their service trucks. These guys usually have crimpers
with nice long handles making for minimal force required....unfortunately you
may get a super hernia just lifting them. And as was already mentioned, boat
dealers/repair shops may help.
do no archive
Zed/701/912/etc
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| Subject: | First SLSA 601XL Demonstrated Performance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
All,
On October 5th the FAA issued an SLSA Airworthiness Certificate on the 1st Zenair
601XL produced by Czech Aircraft Works, and distributed by SportsPlanes.com
Look for a formal announcement of this event in EAA's online newsletter in the
near future.
This first aircraft (side number N601VA) was delivered to me on Friday 7 October.
I flew the airplane back to Virginia with my Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes Chief
Pilot, Nathan Mayers. This beautiful airplane will be used in our 1-week
Sport Pilot Immersive Flight School at the Bryce Mountain Resort in Virginia.
Statistics and Performance with a Rotax 912S 100 hp engine:
Empty Weight: 728 lbs (from actual weight and balance for N601VA)
Gross Takeoff Weight: 1320 lbs
Actual Useful Load: 592 lbs
Fuel Capacity: 30 gallons (29 useable) 180 lbs
Useful Load with Full Fuel: 412 lbs
Useful Load with 15 gallons of fuel: 502 lbs
On the flight from Lakeland, FL to Virginia we were able to reach 130 mph Max Continuous
Cruise Speed (true airspeed) at 5500 RPM. We also took this beautiful
performing bird up to 13,500 feet. We averaged 4.9 gallons per hour for the
entire trip. We got 125 mph True Airspeed at 5200 RPM.
My estimation of maximum range with 30 minute reserves, given the performance on
this trip, would be 662 miles over a 5.3 hour trip (5 gallons per hour at 125
mph, 29 gallons useable, 30 minute reserve).
The bird had plenty of baggage space with two wing lockers and a cavernouse storage
area behind the seats. I am more than pleased with "N601VA".....it will
be a great workhorse for our flight school and for rentals. Our first Sport Pilot
School student is coming tomorrow for a week.
For more information about the 601XL and the other aircraft we sell please go to
one of the following two websites:
www.sportsplanes.com
www.MASPL.com
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
jim@sportsplanes.com
Sent via the WebMail system at Engage IT
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Battery Purchase |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I've bought bargin 17 or 18 amp hr batteries after the $80 first one and
there is no detectable differience except in my wallet. I replace them after
3 years just because.
Leo Corbalis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Battery Purchase
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Yup it is...Very low internal resistance and I'll be using one on my RV.
>
> To be honest though its more than you need for a Zodiac...You can get a
> 17AH batt from www.batteries.com that works perfectly well for these
> smaller engines and is also dirt cheap..Like $25 or so...
>
> Then again the Odyssey is not THAT much money ($80) but if it were me
> I'd save the money.
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Battery Purchase
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
>
> Bob--
> I'll be using the Odyessy from Aircraft Spruce Part #11-02233
> ODYSSEY
> DRY CELL PC-680
> This one also seams to be a favorite with the RV guys.
>
> George May
> 601XL 912S
>
>
>>From: NYTerminat@aol.com
>>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Battery Purchase
>>Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:42:53 EDT
>>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>>
>>Dear List:
>>
>>I have been painting my aircraft and will soon be mounting the engine.
>>What is the best battery for the 701 with the 912S? I am looking for a
>>sealed battery and battery box.
>>
>>Bob Spudis
>>
>>CH-701/912S
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
Try Home Depot. They have one that looks just like the one At Aircraft Spruce.
I believe it is around $30. It was also discussed about a year ago and should
be in the archives.
Jerry Latimer
do not archive
> From: Larry Bohannon<mailto:larryb54@alltel.net>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tools
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" <larryb54@alltel.net<mailto:larryb54@alltel.net>>
>
> I'm just about ready to start installing the controls in my 701. The bellcrank
calls for a few solid rivets which I have no tool to set them. Does anyone
know of a quick easy way to set these rivets without having to buy an expensive
tool just to do a few rivets? Also, it looks like I'm going to have to buy
a swaging tool. Anyone know of a source of these that won't break the budget?
> Larry Bohannon
> Winder, Georgia
>
>
> _
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| Subject: | Re: (This is) How Much |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
Thanks for the info on the prices on the 601XL
People on the list start shit about anything
All I was trying to do was ask, "what do I have to spend"
The guys in my EAA chapter would laugh out loud if I came up in a Ultralight
The biggest thing is the avionics and instruments, I just don't know what I
will need
I think I will start with the bare basics and add them as I need them
Just Thinking
Trell
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
And of course you need to use the " do not archive" when dealing with the sh*t
word. That way it will keep the smell down.......
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
Thanks for the info on the prices on the 601XL
People on the list start shit about anything
All I was trying to do was ask, "what do I have to spend"
The guys in my EAA chapter would laugh out loud if I came up in a Ultralight
The biggest thing is the avionics and instruments, I just don't know what I
will need
I think I will start with the bare basics and add them as I need them
Just Thinking
Trell
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
And of course you need to use the " do not archive" when dealing with the sh*t
word. That way it will keep the smell down.......
BenHaas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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| Subject: | Re: ch701 912 vibration |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: szewc@direcway.com
Graeme,
I have a 912S in my 701 and have a little vibration around 4200 rpm depending on
engine load. It drove me nuts at first. I have a warp drive prop and had rotated
the prop 180 in the bolt pattern. Changed blade positions in the hub, changed
blade pitch. It turns out that with the tuned muffler the engine back pressure
can create some vibration in the engine at lower than "tuned" RPM at certain
loads. (at least that what I have talked and researched myself into believing)
I have minimized the vibration by finding the optimum pitch angle of the
prop that seems to keep it to a minimum. It is now something that I can live
with and I don't run down around 4200 RPM very much at all.
Ken Szewc
N701SZ 138 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: Graeme Bell <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
Subject: Zenith-List: ch701 912 vibration
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graeme Bell"
> <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
> I have a vibration? in a ch701 with a recently fitted 20hrs
> s/hand 912a motor 1100 hrs total time slipper clutch powerfin 68"
> seems to have slightly more vibration between 4500 and 5200 rpm is
> this normal for this combination or am I just paranoid?
>
> Graeme Bell
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
If the arbor press or bolt or punch is used........ all work
well.......... Make sure that whatever strikes either side of the rivet
is mirror smooth like true rivet tools..... Other wise any ridges in the
arbor or punch will be transferred to the shop end of the rivet and create
stress risers on the rivet...
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!! Stress risers in a bell crank are not a good
thing.
My cheap arbor press, had these ridges. I removed the arbor, and sanded
them out.
Monty
At 09:05 AM 10/13/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi Larry:
>
>I did mine like this:
>
>http://www.cooknwithgas.com/11_7_03_BellCrankRivet.JPG
>
>$29.99 from Harbor Freight. Bob Avery can supply you with the rivet
>heads. He's the one that gave me the idea - even mailed me an
>advertisement with a coupon for harbor freight. Call Bob at 800-652-8379
>or www.averytools.com for the rivet head you need. Use the arbor for the
>"shop head."
>
>Here's the link to the arbor press at H.F.
>
>http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3551
>
>Good luck,
>
>Scott Laughlin
>www.cooknwithgas.com
>Working on FWF and Wiring.
>
>Larry Bohannon <larryb54@alltel.net> wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon"
>
>I'm just about ready to start installing the controls in my 701. The
>bellcrank calls for a few solid rivets which I have no tool to set them.
>Does anyone know of a quick easy way to set these rivets without having to
>buy an expensive tool just to do a few rivets? Also, it looks like I'm
>going to have to buy a swaging tool. Anyone know of a source of these that
>won't break the budget?
>Larry Bohannon
>Winder, Georgia
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First SLSA 601XL Demonstrated Performance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Prop...??? JACK
Do not Archive
---- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith-List: First SLSA 601XL Demonstrated Performance
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
> On October 5th the FAA issued an SLSA Airworthiness Certificate on the 1st
> Zenair 601XL produced by Czech Aircraft Works, and distributed by
> SportsPlanes.com
>
> Look for a formal announcement of this event in EAA's online newsletter in
> the near future.
>
> This first aircraft (side number N601VA) was delivered to me on Friday 7
> October. I flew the airplane back to Virginia with my Mid-Atlantic Sports
> Planes Chief Pilot, Nathan Mayers. This beautiful airplane will be used
> in our 1-week Sport Pilot Immersive Flight School at the Bryce Mountain
> Resort in Virginia.
>
> Statistics and Performance with a Rotax 912S 100 hp engine:
>
> Empty Weight: 728 lbs (from actual weight and balance for N601VA)
> Gross Takeoff Weight: 1320 lbs
> Actual Useful Load: 592 lbs
> Fuel Capacity: 30 gallons (29 useable) 180 lbs
> Useful Load with Full Fuel: 412 lbs
> Useful Load with 15 gallons of fuel: 502 lbs
>
> On the flight from Lakeland, FL to Virginia we were able to reach 130 mph
> Max Continuous Cruise Speed (true airspeed) at 5500 RPM. We also took
> this beautiful performing bird up to 13,500 feet. We averaged 4.9 gallons
> per hour for the entire trip. We got 125 mph True Airspeed at 5200 RPM.
>
> My estimation of maximum range with 30 minute reserves, given the
> performance on this trip, would be 662 miles over a 5.3 hour trip (5
> gallons per hour at 125 mph, 29 gallons useable, 30 minute reserve).
>
> The bird had plenty of baggage space with two wing lockers and a
> cavernouse storage area behind the seats. I am more than pleased with
> "N601VA".....it will be a great workhorse for our flight school and for
> rentals. Our first Sport Pilot School student is coming tomorrow for a
> week.
>
> For more information about the 601XL and the other aircraft we sell please
> go to one of the following two websites:
>
> www.sportsplanes.com
> www.MASPL.com
>
> Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
> www.MASPL.com
> 703-313-4818
> jim@sportsplanes.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Or just add two pieces of flat steel between the jaws of the vice.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Monty
Graves
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
If the arbor press or bolt or punch is used........ all work
well.......... Make sure that whatever strikes either side of the
rivet
is mirror smooth like true rivet tools..... Other wise any ridges in
the
arbor or punch will be transferred to the shop end of the rivet and
create stress risers on the rivet...
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!! Stress risers in a bell crank are not a
good
thing.
My cheap arbor press, had these ridges. I removed the arbor, and
sanded
them out.
Monty
At 09:05 AM 10/13/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi Larry:
>
>I did mine like this:
>
>http://www.cooknwithgas.com/11_7_03_BellCrankRivet.JPG
>
>$29.99 from Harbor Freight. Bob Avery can supply you with the rivet
>heads. He's the one that gave me the idea - even mailed me an
>advertisement with a coupon for harbor freight. Call Bob at
>800-652-8379 or www.averytools.com for the rivet head you need. Use
>the arbor for the "shop head."
>
>Here's the link to the arbor press at H.F.
>
>http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3551
>
>Good luck,
>
>Scott Laughlin
>www.cooknwithgas.com
>Working on FWF and Wiring.
>
>Larry Bohannon <larryb54@alltel.net> wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon"
>
>I'm just about ready to start installing the controls in my 701. The
>bellcrank calls for a few solid rivets which I have no tool to set
them.
>Does anyone know of a quick easy way to set these rivets without having
>to buy an expensive tool just to do a few rivets? Also, it looks like
>I'm going to have to buy a swaging tool. Anyone know of a source of
>these that won't break the budget?
>Larry Bohannon
>Winder, Georgia
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Saw this article in the EAA hotline today.
Interesting that IFR and night VFR is NOT legal in an aircraft
equiped with any Jabiru engine, or any non-certified Rotax engine.
10/13/05 - SPECIAL LSA AND NIGHT/IFR FLYING
Some confusion exists in the aviation marketplace regarding the use of
special light-sport aircraft (S-LSA) for flying at night and/or under
instrument flight rules (IFR). The ASTM consensus standards that govern the
manufacture and production of S-LSA specifically address day/visual flight
rules (VFR) operations only.
First, sport pilots, or those exercising sport pilot privileges, are
restricted from flying at night or in IFR conditions, so they may not
operate an S-LSA, or any aircraft, at those times.
Other properly rated pilots may fly an S-LSA in those conditions if allowed
per the aircraft's operating limitations and if it is equipped per FAR
91.205. Additionally, FAR 91.327(d) requires all S-LSA to be operated in
accordance with the aircraft's operating instructions. An aircraft's
operating instructions are different from operating limitations; operating
instructions are issued by manufacturers-engine, airframe, and
accessory-while operating limitations are issued by the FAA.
Many S-LSA are equipped with Rotax engines. Rotax's operating instructions
prohibit the use of a Rotax engine at night or in IFR conditions unless it
is the FAA type-certificated engine; that is, certificated to FAR Part 33.
Rotax's non-certificated engines are indicated by the letters "UL" after the
engine series number; for example, 912UL, 912ULS, and 914UL.
Additionally, S-LSA airframe and engine manufacturers may place restrictions
against the use of their aircraft and/or engines for night/IFR operations.
For example, other S-LSA are powered by Jabiru engines; these engines are
certificated to JAR-22H and are limited to day/VFR operation.
Bottom line: some S-LSA can be equipped for night and IFR operation; be sure
to tell the manufacturer/dealer if your intent is to operate the aircraft
under those conditions...and make sure you have the proper ratings.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Swaging tools show up often on Ebay:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G17151AFB
Your local EAA chapter may have one you can borrow. These are used for
sailboats, fencing, and utilities work as well as aircraft.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 10/13/05 11:11 AM, Larry Bohannon at larryb54@alltel.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" <larryb54@alltel.net>
>
> I'm just about ready to start installing the controls in my 701. The bellcrank
> calls for a few solid rivets which I have no tool to set them. Does anyone
> know of a quick easy way to set these rivets without having to buy an
> expensive tool just to do a few rivets? Also, it looks like I'm going to have
> to buy a swaging tool. Anyone know of a source of these that won't break the
> budget?
> Larry Bohannon
> Winder, Georgia
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| Subject: | No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Interesting...
An experimental airplane of course may operate under any conditions it
is equipped for no matter what engine its got up front....
Don't make much sense does it...Unless you only have a SP license I
guess.
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Ricks
Subject: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
--> <allenricks@verizon.net>
Saw this article in the EAA hotline today.
Interesting that IFR and night VFR is NOT legal in an aircraft equiped
with any Jabiru engine, or any non-certified Rotax engine.
10/13/05 - SPECIAL LSA AND NIGHT/IFR FLYING
Some confusion exists in the aviation marketplace regarding the use of
special light-sport aircraft (S-LSA) for flying at night and/or under
instrument flight rules (IFR). The ASTM consensus standards that govern
the manufacture and production of S-LSA specifically address day/visual
flight rules (VFR) operations only.
First, sport pilots, or those exercising sport pilot privileges, are
restricted from flying at night or in IFR conditions, so they may not
operate an S-LSA, or any aircraft, at those times.
Other properly rated pilots may fly an S-LSA in those conditions if
allowed per the aircraft's operating limitations and if it is equipped
per FAR 91.205. Additionally, FAR 91.327(d) requires all S-LSA to be
operated in accordance with the aircraft's operating instructions. An
aircraft's operating instructions are different from operating
limitations; operating instructions are issued by manufacturers-engine,
airframe, and accessory-while operating limitations are issued by the
FAA.
Many S-LSA are equipped with Rotax engines. Rotax's operating
instructions prohibit the use of a Rotax engine at night or in IFR
conditions unless it is the FAA type-certificated engine; that is,
certificated to FAR Part 33.
Rotax's non-certificated engines are indicated by the letters "UL" after
the engine series number; for example, 912UL, 912ULS, and 914UL.
Additionally, S-LSA airframe and engine manufacturers may place
restrictions against the use of their aircraft and/or engines for
night/IFR operations.
For example, other S-LSA are powered by Jabiru engines; these engines
are certificated to JAR-22H and are limited to day/VFR operation.
Bottom line: some S-LSA can be equipped for night and IFR operation; be
sure to tell the manufacturer/dealer if your intent is to operate the
aircraft under those conditions...and make sure you have the proper
ratings.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
hi list
just working on my firewall and cut the slots for the
rudder pedels lines to pass through and the guide
shows a baffle strip and references aircraft spruce as
the source of the material. i am wondering if this is
the only place i will need this material. AC spruce
sells it in a 3x84" strip and it looks like i only
need a foot or so. is there any further use for this
material? don't want to have six feet of this stuff
around if i don't need it
thanks
john butterfield
601XL, corvair
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| Subject: | No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
You are correct.
I should have noted that this applies to only S-LSA, not E-LSA or
experimental.
I just thought it was an interesting legal clarification as many people
thought
you could fly a S-LSA at night if it had lights. You can't if it has the
wrong
engine.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
Interesting...
An experimental airplane of course may operate under any conditions it
is equipped for no matter what engine its got up front....
Don't make much sense does it...Unless you only have a SP license I
guess.
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Ricks
Subject: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
--> <allenricks@verizon.net>
Saw this article in the EAA hotline today.
Interesting that IFR and night VFR is NOT legal in an aircraft equiped
with any Jabiru engine, or any non-certified Rotax engine.
10/13/05 - SPECIAL LSA AND NIGHT/IFR FLYING
Some confusion exists in the aviation marketplace regarding the use of
special light-sport aircraft (S-LSA) for flying at night and/or under
instrument flight rules (IFR). The ASTM consensus standards that govern
the manufacture and production of S-LSA specifically address day/visual
flight rules (VFR) operations only.
First, sport pilots, or those exercising sport pilot privileges, are
restricted from flying at night or in IFR conditions, so they may not
operate an S-LSA, or any aircraft, at those times.
Other properly rated pilots may fly an S-LSA in those conditions if
allowed per the aircraft's operating limitations and if it is equipped
per FAR 91.205. Additionally, FAR 91.327(d) requires all S-LSA to be
operated in accordance with the aircraft's operating instructions. An
aircraft's operating instructions are different from operating
limitations; operating instructions are issued by manufacturers-engine,
airframe, and accessory-while operating limitations are issued by the
FAA.
Many S-LSA are equipped with Rotax engines. Rotax's operating
instructions prohibit the use of a Rotax engine at night or in IFR
conditions unless it is the FAA type-certificated engine; that is,
certificated to FAR Part 33.
Rotax's non-certificated engines are indicated by the letters "UL" after
the engine series number; for example, 912UL, 912ULS, and 914UL.
Additionally, S-LSA airframe and engine manufacturers may place
restrictions against the use of their aircraft and/or engines for
night/IFR operations.
For example, other S-LSA are powered by Jabiru engines; these engines
are certificated to JAR-22H and are limited to day/VFR operation.
Bottom line: some S-LSA can be equipped for night and IFR operation; be
sure to tell the manufacturer/dealer if your intent is to operate the
aircraft under those conditions...and make sure you have the proper
ratings.
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| Subject: | No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Well, it sort-of makes a little sense.
S-LSA are "Certified" planes, but not for night or IFR
operations. E-LSA may fall into the same restrictions since they are
essentially S-LSA planes with a few bolts to install by the end user.
In our case, builders from kit or plans, these issues probably do not
have any impact. Perhaps the engine suppliers will not stand behind
their products for IFR or night use, but then again we have to sign
releases to get the engines in the first place. It all sounds like a
lot of lawyer-ese to me.
do not archive
Paul
XL wings
At 04:30 PM 10/13/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
><frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Interesting...
>
>An experimental airplane of course may operate under any conditions it
>is equipped for no matter what engine its got up front....
>
>Don't make much sense does it...Unless you only have a SP license I
>guess.
>
>Frank
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Ricks
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
>--> <allenricks@verizon.net>
>
>Saw this article in the EAA hotline today.
>
>Interesting that IFR and night VFR is NOT legal in an aircraft equiped
>with any Jabiru engine, or any non-certified Rotax engine.
>
>10/13/05 - SPECIAL LSA AND NIGHT/IFR FLYING
>
>Some confusion exists in the aviation marketplace regarding the use of
>special light-sport aircraft (S-LSA) for flying at night and/or under
>instrument flight rules (IFR). The ASTM consensus standards that govern
>the manufacture and production of S-LSA specifically address day/visual
>flight rules (VFR) operations only.
>
>First, sport pilots, or those exercising sport pilot privileges, are
>restricted from flying at night or in IFR conditions, so they may not
>operate an S-LSA, or any aircraft, at those times.
>
>Other properly rated pilots may fly an S-LSA in those conditions if
>allowed per the aircraft's operating limitations and if it is equipped
>per FAR 91.205. Additionally, FAR 91.327(d) requires all S-LSA to be
>operated in accordance with the aircraft's operating instructions. An
>aircraft's operating instructions are different from operating
>limitations; operating instructions are issued by manufacturers-engine,
>airframe, and accessory-while operating limitations are issued by the
>FAA.
>
>Many S-LSA are equipped with Rotax engines. Rotax's operating
>instructions prohibit the use of a Rotax engine at night or in IFR
>conditions unless it is the FAA type-certificated engine; that is,
>certificated to FAR Part 33.
>Rotax's non-certificated engines are indicated by the letters "UL" after
>the engine series number; for example, 912UL, 912ULS, and 914UL.
>
>Additionally, S-LSA airframe and engine manufacturers may place
>restrictions against the use of their aircraft and/or engines for
>night/IFR operations.
>For example, other S-LSA are powered by Jabiru engines; these engines
>are certificated to JAR-22H and are limited to day/VFR operation.
>
>Bottom line: some S-LSA can be equipped for night and IFR operation; be
>sure to tell the manufacturer/dealer if your intent is to operate the
>aircraft under those conditions...and make sure you have the proper
>ratings.
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
---------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | First SLSA 601XL Demonstrated Performance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
JACK,
N601VA HAS A WOODCOMP 3-BLADE CARBON GROUND-ADJUSTABLE PROPELLER.
JIM
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.maspl.com
703-313-4818
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First SLSA 601XL Demonstrated Performance
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Prop...??? JACK
Do not Archive
---- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith-List: First SLSA 601XL Demonstrated Performance
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
> On October 5th the FAA issued an SLSA Airworthiness Certificate on the 1st
> Zenair 601XL produced by Czech Aircraft Works, and distributed by
> SportsPlanes.com
>
> Look for a formal announcement of this event in EAA's online newsletter in
> the near future.
>
> This first aircraft (side number N601VA) was delivered to me on Friday 7
> October. I flew the airplane back to Virginia with my Mid-Atlantic Sports
> Planes Chief Pilot, Nathan Mayers. This beautiful airplane will be used
> in our 1-week Sport Pilot Immersive Flight School at the Bryce Mountain
> Resort in Virginia.
>
> Statistics and Performance with a Rotax 912S 100 hp engine:
>
> Empty Weight: 728 lbs (from actual weight and balance for N601VA)
> Gross Takeoff Weight: 1320 lbs
> Actual Useful Load: 592 lbs
> Fuel Capacity: 30 gallons (29 useable) 180 lbs
> Useful Load with Full Fuel: 412 lbs
> Useful Load with 15 gallons of fuel: 502 lbs
>
> On the flight from Lakeland, FL to Virginia we were able to reach 130 mph
> Max Continuous Cruise Speed (true airspeed) at 5500 RPM. We also took
> this beautiful performing bird up to 13,500 feet. We averaged 4.9 gallons
> per hour for the entire trip. We got 125 mph True Airspeed at 5200 RPM.
>
> My estimation of maximum range with 30 minute reserves, given the
> performance on this trip, would be 662 miles over a 5.3 hour trip (5
> gallons per hour at 125 mph, 29 gallons useable, 30 minute reserve).
>
> The bird had plenty of baggage space with two wing lockers and a
> cavernouse storage area behind the seats. I am more than pleased with
> "N601VA".....it will be a great workhorse for our flight school and for
> rentals. Our first Sport Pilot School student is coming tomorrow for a
> week.
>
> For more information about the 601XL and the other aircraft we sell please
> go to one of the following two websites:
>
> www.sportsplanes.com
> www.MASPL.com
>
> Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
> www.MASPL.com
> 703-313-4818
> jim@sportsplanes.com
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| Subject: | No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Frank,
A person with an SP license cannot fly an IFR/night equipped and certified
light sport aircraft in IFR conditions no matter what, and also cannot fly
at night. A Private pilot can fly that very same aircraft at night and also
can fly it under IFR conditions provided he has completed his IFR training
and is current.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
Interesting...
An experimental airplane of course may operate under any conditions it
is equipped for no matter what engine its got up front....
Don't make much sense does it...Unless you only have a SP license I
guess.
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Ricks
Subject: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
--> <allenricks@verizon.net>
Saw this article in the EAA hotline today.
Interesting that IFR and night VFR is NOT legal in an aircraft equiped
with any Jabiru engine, or any non-certified Rotax engine.
10/13/05 - SPECIAL LSA AND NIGHT/IFR FLYING
Some confusion exists in the aviation marketplace regarding the use of
special light-sport aircraft (S-LSA) for flying at night and/or under
instrument flight rules (IFR). The ASTM consensus standards that govern
the manufacture and production of S-LSA specifically address day/visual
flight rules (VFR) operations only.
First, sport pilots, or those exercising sport pilot privileges, are
restricted from flying at night or in IFR conditions, so they may not
operate an S-LSA, or any aircraft, at those times.
Other properly rated pilots may fly an S-LSA in those conditions if
allowed per the aircraft's operating limitations and if it is equipped
per FAR 91.205. Additionally, FAR 91.327(d) requires all S-LSA to be
operated in accordance with the aircraft's operating instructions. An
aircraft's operating instructions are different from operating
limitations; operating instructions are issued by manufacturers-engine,
airframe, and accessory-while operating limitations are issued by the
FAA.
Many S-LSA are equipped with Rotax engines. Rotax's operating
instructions prohibit the use of a Rotax engine at night or in IFR
conditions unless it is the FAA type-certificated engine; that is,
certificated to FAR Part 33.
Rotax's non-certificated engines are indicated by the letters "UL" after
the engine series number; for example, 912UL, 912ULS, and 914UL.
Additionally, S-LSA airframe and engine manufacturers may place
restrictions against the use of their aircraft and/or engines for
night/IFR operations.
For example, other S-LSA are powered by Jabiru engines; these engines
are certificated to JAR-22H and are limited to day/VFR operation.
Bottom line: some S-LSA can be equipped for night and IFR operation; be
sure to tell the manufacturer/dealer if your intent is to operate the
aircraft under those conditions...and make sure you have the proper
ratings.
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| Subject: | A6 Rivet Use in CH 601 HD & HDS Wing Kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Herndon <rickherndon@erols.com>
Graham Kirby wrote:
"I just found a small bag of 12 A6 size rivets that was included in my
wing
kit but I can't find any mention in the plans of where these are used."
I believe the A6 rivets are included in CH 601 HD and HDS kits to rivet
nose rib angles to the spar caps at stations 900 and 1014 of the center
wing section. The best detail is shown on page 6-V-6 of the plans. If
memory serves me correct, there were six L angles riveted to the front
of the center wing spar of my kit in addition to the Wing Pick Up angles
(6V4-3). The four outboard L angles were not riveted on at the factory
because they would have interfered with riveting the rear ribs at the
outboard stations through the Gear Rib Doubler Channels (6V5-1). You'll
need eight A6 rivets for this construction step. This 0.315 inch thick
assembly requires a grip length greater than A5 rivets give.
Rick Herndon
CH 601 HDS
N601DH
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| Subject: | No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Paul,
AGAIN: SLSA aircraft can be certified for IFR and night operation if they
are properly equipped per the Federal Aviation regulations and
manufacturer's instructions, including having the correct certified engine.
However a Sport Pilot cannot fly this properly equipped certified SLSA
aircraft in IFR conditions or at night. A private pilot could fly this
IFR/night certified SLSA at night and in IFR conditions if he/she has
completed their IFR training and are current.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Well, it sort-of makes a little sense.
S-LSA are "Certified" planes, but not for night or IFR
operations. E-LSA may fall into the same restrictions since they are
essentially S-LSA planes with a few bolts to install by the end user.
In our case, builders from kit or plans, these issues probably do not
have any impact. Perhaps the engine suppliers will not stand behind
their products for IFR or night use, but then again we have to sign
releases to get the engines in the first place. It all sounds like a
lot of lawyer-ese to me.
do not archive
Paul
XL wings
At 04:30 PM 10/13/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
><frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Interesting...
>
>An experimental airplane of course may operate under any conditions it
>is equipped for no matter what engine its got up front....
>
>Don't make much sense does it...Unless you only have a SP license I
>guess.
>
>Frank
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Ricks
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
>--> <allenricks@verizon.net>
>
>Saw this article in the EAA hotline today.
>
>Interesting that IFR and night VFR is NOT legal in an aircraft equiped
>with any Jabiru engine, or any non-certified Rotax engine.
>
>10/13/05 - SPECIAL LSA AND NIGHT/IFR FLYING
>
>Some confusion exists in the aviation marketplace regarding the use of
>special light-sport aircraft (S-LSA) for flying at night and/or under
>instrument flight rules (IFR). The ASTM consensus standards that govern
>the manufacture and production of S-LSA specifically address day/visual
>flight rules (VFR) operations only.
>
>First, sport pilots, or those exercising sport pilot privileges, are
>restricted from flying at night or in IFR conditions, so they may not
>operate an S-LSA, or any aircraft, at those times.
>
>Other properly rated pilots may fly an S-LSA in those conditions if
>allowed per the aircraft's operating limitations and if it is equipped
>per FAR 91.205. Additionally, FAR 91.327(d) requires all S-LSA to be
>operated in accordance with the aircraft's operating instructions. An
>aircraft's operating instructions are different from operating
>limitations; operating instructions are issued by manufacturers-engine,
>airframe, and accessory-while operating limitations are issued by the
>FAA.
>
>Many S-LSA are equipped with Rotax engines. Rotax's operating
>instructions prohibit the use of a Rotax engine at night or in IFR
>conditions unless it is the FAA type-certificated engine; that is,
>certificated to FAR Part 33.
>Rotax's non-certificated engines are indicated by the letters "UL" after
>the engine series number; for example, 912UL, 912ULS, and 914UL.
>
>Additionally, S-LSA airframe and engine manufacturers may place
>restrictions against the use of their aircraft and/or engines for
>night/IFR operations.
>For example, other S-LSA are powered by Jabiru engines; these engines
>are certificated to JAR-22H and are limited to day/VFR operation.
>
>Bottom line: some S-LSA can be equipped for night and IFR operation; be
>sure to tell the manufacturer/dealer if your intent is to operate the
>aircraft under those conditions...and make sure you have the proper
>ratings.
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
---------------------------------------------
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
The "economy nicopress swaging tool" from Aircraft spruce (P/N 12-12000) is
only $16.50 and worked fine for me.
Jim Greenough
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corvaircraft@mylist.net
--> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
I finally go the HDS/Corvair back into the air today,
with a MA-3SPA from an O-200 and air box for a Cessna 150 from AS.
The intake manifold was made from four 90deg elbows from GP.
I moved the carb mount forward about 2 " to allow airbox to clear the NG.
Static RPM was a little above 2800 and was more than 3100 on takeoff.
The WD prop was cut down to 44" at the factory, and used 8 1/2 deg pitch.
Take off and climb out was much better then the Aero-Carb.
The airbox fits in line with the bottom sheet of the cowl.
Heat for carb heat is being picked up from behind the exhaust header. RPM
drop was > 50deg.
Added an auxillary Facet fuel pump.
Entire installation only weighted 1 lb more than the Aero-Carb and Air
filter.
Looks like a good, simple installation.
My digital camera is down so can't send you pictures.
GPJ
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| Subject: | Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
What about a Private Lic. pilot, no current medical, IFR rated, in a LSA at
night with an "approved" engine. Is this a muddy mess or what ? ? ? IMNSHO
they should KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid). KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
>
> Frank,
>
> A person with an SP license cannot fly an IFR/night equipped and certified
> light sport aircraft in IFR conditions no matter what, and also cannot fly
> at night. A Private pilot can fly that very same aircraft at night and
> also
> can fly it under IFR conditions provided he has completed his IFR training
> and is current.
>
> Jim
> An experimental airplane of course may operate under any conditions it
> is equipped for no matter what engine its got up front....
>
> Don't make much sense does it...Unless you only have a SP license I
> guess.
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| Subject: | Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Would this apply to Experimental aircraft too?
Bob Spudis
CH-701/912S
In a message dated 10/13/2005 7:01:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
allenricks@verizon.net writes:
Many S-LSA are equipped with Rotax engines. Rotax's operating instructions
prohibit the use of a Rotax engine at night or in IFR conditions unless it
is the FAA type-certificated engine; that is, certificated to FAR Part 33.
Rotax's non-certificated engines are indicated by the letters "UL" after the
engine series number; for example, 912UL, 912ULS, and 914UL.
Additionally, S-LSA airframe and engine manufacturers may place restrictions
against the use of their aircraft and/or engines for night/IFR operations.
For example, other S-LSA are powered by Jabiru engines; these engines are
certificated to JAR-22H and are limited to day/VFR operation.
Bottom line: some S-LSA can be equipped for night and IFR operation; be sure
to tell the manufacturer/dealer if your intent is to operate the aircraft
under those conditions...and make sure you have the proper ratings.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
I second that opinion. The tool is slow and a bit clunky but totally
competent for the task.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: <Tebenkof@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tools
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
>
> The "economy nicopress swaging tool" from Aircraft spruce (P/N 12-12000)
> is
> only $16.50 and worked fine for me.
>
> Jim Greenough
>
>
>
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| Subject: | No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
NOPE! A private pilot with a lapsed medical that was never denied,
suspended or revoked, can fly again as a Sport Pilot with his/her drivers
license. However, when this person starts flying as a Sport Pilot, that
person no longer has the rights of a private pilot to fly at night or fly
IFR. However, this lapsed private pilot, resurrected as a sport pilot, can
fly into airports with a control tower and in Class B, C, D airspace and
over 10,000 feet without getting specific logbook endorsements for these
special add-on privileges to the SP certificate.....reason being that he/she
already has learned these particular skills.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
What about a Private Lic. pilot, no current medical, IFR rated, in a LSA at
night with an "approved" engine. Is this a muddy mess or what ? ? ? IMNSHO
they should KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid). KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
>
> Frank,
>
> A person with an SP license cannot fly an IFR/night equipped and certified
> light sport aircraft in IFR conditions no matter what, and also cannot fly
> at night. A Private pilot can fly that very same aircraft at night and
> also
> can fly it under IFR conditions provided he has completed his IFR training
> and is current.
>
> Jim
> An experimental airplane of course may operate under any conditions it
> is equipped for no matter what engine its got up front....
>
> Don't make much sense does it...Unless you only have a SP license I
> guess.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com>
I like the Odessy dry cel. Check out sunbattery.com
for the best price.
Brett
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| Subject: | No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks" <allenricks@verizon.net>
Just so you are aware....
There is no sport pilot endorsement for flight above 10,000 feet.
Sport pilot license = flight under 10,000 feet only.
Since I'm out West, this seems like a dumb one. In Colorado, there
are many pass roads you can DRIVE over that are above 10,000 feet.
It seems like every time I turn around there is a new interpretation
of the sport pilot rule.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Pellien
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
NOPE! A private pilot with a lapsed medical that was never denied,
suspended or revoked, can fly again as a Sport Pilot with his/her drivers
license. However, when this person starts flying as a Sport Pilot, that
person no longer has the rights of a private pilot to fly at night or fly
IFR. However, this lapsed private pilot, resurrected as a sport pilot, can
fly into airports with a control tower and in Class B, C, D airspace and
over 10,000 feet without getting specific logbook endorsements for these
special add-on privileges to the SP certificate.....reason being that he/she
already has learned these particular skills.
Jim
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| Subject: | No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
A guy I spoke with at the EAA Sport Pilot phone number said that that was
one part of the rule they were trying to get changed. I'm in the same boat
as you. I live at 7000 ft and am surrounded by peaks over 10,000. Of course
I may need a turbo on my Corvair engine to get to 10,000 ft.
-- Craig, Park City, UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Ricks
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
--> <allenricks@verizon.net>
Just so you are aware....
There is no sport pilot endorsement for flight above 10,000 feet.
Sport pilot license = flight under 10,000 feet only.
Since I'm out West, this seems like a dumb one. In Colorado, there are many
pass roads you can DRIVE over that are above 10,000 feet.
It seems like every time I turn around there is a new interpretation of the
sport pilot rule.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Pellien
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
NOPE! A private pilot with a lapsed medical that was never denied,
suspended or revoked, can fly again as a Sport Pilot with his/her drivers
license. However, when this person starts flying as a Sport Pilot, that
person no longer has the rights of a private pilot to fly at night or fly
IFR. However, this lapsed private pilot, resurrected as a sport pilot, can
fly into airports with a control tower and in Class B, C, D airspace and
over 10,000 feet without getting specific logbook endorsements for these
special add-on privileges to the SP certificate.....reason being that he/she
already has learned these particular skills.
Jim
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| Subject: | No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Jim,
I agree with all you have said.
However, there is a problem with flying an LSA over 10,000 feet. I
thought LSA were not allowed to have oxygen systems. Perhaps a
portable O2 tank?
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
At 08:04 PM 10/13/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
>
>NOPE! A private pilot with a lapsed medical that was never denied,
>suspended or revoked, can fly again as a Sport Pilot with his/her drivers
>license. However, when this person starts flying as a Sport Pilot, that
>person no longer has the rights of a private pilot to fly at night or fly
>IFR. However, this lapsed private pilot, resurrected as a sport pilot, can
>fly into airports with a control tower and in Class B, C, D airspace and
>over 10,000 feet without getting specific logbook endorsements for these
>special add-on privileges to the SP certificate.....reason being that he/she
>already has learned these particular skills.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
>What about a Private Lic. pilot, no current medical, IFR rated, in a LSA at
>night with an "approved" engine. Is this a muddy mess or what ? ? ? IMNSHO
>they should KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid). KABONG Do Not Archive
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
> >
> > Frank,
> >
> > A person with an SP license cannot fly an IFR/night equipped and certified
> > light sport aircraft in IFR conditions no matter what, and also cannot fly
> > at night. A Private pilot can fly that very same aircraft at night and
> > also
> > can fly it under IFR conditions provided he has completed his IFR training
> > and is current.
> >
> > Jim
> > An experimental airplane of course may operate under any conditions it
> > is equipped for no matter what engine its got up front....
> >
> > Don't make much sense does it...Unless you only have a SP license I
> > guess.
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
---------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net> T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG,XMPlayFrnd1
autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3
That's great news...I could go into Big Bear (L35) 6748' as a LSA pilot for
fuel & lunch. "From W--Rcmnd min alt 9500' to avd outbnd tfc", TPA MSL: 8000
(Airguide 2005). And with 500' to spare inbound. How does one know the max
service altitude for your LSA plane IF you can't go above 10,000' ? KABONG
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> A guy I spoke with at the EAA Sport Pilot phone number said that that was
> one part of the rule they were trying to get changed. I'm in the same boat
> as you. I live at 7000 ft and am surrounded by peaks over 10,000. Of
> course
> I may need a turbo on my Corvair engine to get to 10,000 ft.
>
> -- Craig, Park City, UT
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Allen Ricks"
> --> <allenricks@verizon.net>
>
> Just so you are aware....
>
> There is no sport pilot endorsement for flight above 10,000 feet.
>
> Sport pilot license = flight under 10,000 feet only.
>
> Since I'm out West, this seems like a dumb one. In Colorado, there are
> many
> pass roads you can DRIVE over that are above 10,000 feet.
>
> It seems like every time I turn around there is a new interpretation of
> the
> sport pilot rule.
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