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1. 01:03 AM - Re: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) (Hunt Malcolm)
2. 02:31 AM - Re: baffle strips (Bryan Martin)
3. 02:37 AM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Bryan Martin)
4. 03:14 AM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Paul Mulwitz)
5. 05:54 AM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
6. 08:19 AM - Re: baffle strips (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
7. 09:45 AM - MA-3 SPA (Scott Thatcher)
8. 10:32 AM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Weston, Jim)
9. 10:53 AM - 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question (Tommy Walker)
10. 11:24 AM - Re: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question (Tony & Peggy Pierce)
11. 12:56 PM - Re: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question (Jack Russell)
12. 01:21 PM - Re: ch701 912 vibration (Thilo Kind)
13. 01:55 PM - Re: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question (ROBERT SCEPPA)
14. 04:13 PM - Re: baffle strips (Al Young)
15. 04:13 PM - Re: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question (RURUNY@aol.com)
16. 05:21 PM - Re: Tools (Rick)
17. 07:07 PM - How much to thin Cortec? (Michael Valentine)
18. 07:20 PM - Re: Tools (Jeff Reuschle)
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| Subject: | STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
Thanks George and Larry for this.
Malcolm
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Malcolm--
6-B-1 dimension far right of 6=b=4 is 1130
Dwg 6-W-6 Co-ordinate for Rib 1 X800, YL =....?----is 37.6
> Rib 5 X800, YU =....?----is 94.6
George May
601XL 912S
>From: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!)
>Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:00:07 +0100
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm"
><Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
>
>List
>
>Whilst we have the drawings out, mine have not printed well on a couple
>of prints, can anyone confirm the following 601XL drawing dimensions?
>
>Dwg 6-B-1 Dimension at extreme right of part 6B1-4 (next to 1132).
>
>Dwg 6-W-6 Co-ordinate for Rib 1 X800, YL =....?
> Rib 5 X800, YU =....?
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>Malcolm Hunt
>Plans Builder CH601xl England.
>
>Do no archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!)
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
>Good Morning Bob:
>
>Standard "L" angle (for the 601XL) is listed as:
>
> t=.025" with dl of 36 and 19mm on each side of the "L."
>
>I uploaded a scan from 6-B-1 of my XL drawings (the first fuselage
>drawing) here:
>
>http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Standard_L_Angle.jpg
>
>Instead of bending a bunch of 4' lengths, I just bend it as I need it
>from scraps. There are lots of scraps from the wings - another good
>reason to do the wings first.
>
>I hope this helps,
>
>Scott Laughlin
>www.cooknwithgas.com
>601XL / Corvair
>Working on my Engine
>
>
>ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com> wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA
>
> > Thanks Bob, but I am a plans builder. Just give me
> > the thickness and the width and I will appreciate
> > your info, I can't find it any of the sheets.
> > Bob Sceppa
>
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| Subject: | Re: baffle strips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
You could probably use it where the main landing gear spring attaches to the
fuselage. ZAC sent me some pieces of hose split in half for this but I used
some red rubber gasket material from ACE hardware for this instead because
it was easier to lay flat in the gap between the brackets and gear spring.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 10/13/05 8:03 PM, john butterfield at jdbutterfield@yahoo.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>
> hi list
> just working on my firewall and cut the slots for the
> rudder pedels lines to pass through and the guide
> shows a baffle strip and references aircraft spruce as
> the source of the material. i am wondering if this is
> the only place i will need this material. AC spruce
> sells it in a 3x84" strip and it looks like i only
> need a foot or so. is there any further use for this
> material? don't want to have six feet of this stuff
> around if i don't need it
>
> thanks
> john butterfield
> 601XL, corvair
>
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| Subject: | Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Oxygen is not required unless you fly above 12500 feet for more than 15
minutes.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 10/14/05 12:34 AM, Paul Mulwitz at p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I agree with all you have said.
>
> However, there is a problem with flying an LSA over 10,000 feet. I
> thought LSA were not allowed to have oxygen systems. Perhaps a
> portable O2 tank?
>
> Paul
> XL wings
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I believe the first standard point where you need oxygen is flying
above 10,000 for more than 30 minutes. That is for healthy
folks. For more decrepit old folks like me, I would not consider
going above 10,000 at all without oxygen.
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
At 02:36 AM 10/14/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
>Oxygen is not required unless you fly above 12500 feet for more than 15
>minutes.
>
>
>--
>Bryan Martin
>N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
>do not archive.
>
>
>on 10/14/05 12:34 AM, Paul Mulwitz at p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > I agree with all you have said.
> >
> > However, there is a problem with flying an LSA over 10,000 feet. I
> > thought LSA were not allowed to have oxygen systems. Perhaps a
> > portable O2 tank?
> >
> > Paul
> > XL wings
> > do not archive
> >
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
I was wrong about the duration but not the altitude. In the U.S.:
91.211 Supplemental Oxygen
(a) General. No person may operate a civil aircraft of
U.S. registry
(1) At cabin pressure altitudes above 12,500 feet (MSL) up to
and including 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum
flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen for
that part of the flight at those altitudes that is of more
than 30 minutes duration;
(2) At cabin pressure altitudes above 14,000 feet (MSL) unless
the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses
supplemental oxygen during the entire flight time at those
altitudes; and
(3) At cabin pressure altitudes above 15,000 feet (MSL) unless
each occupant of the aircraft is provided with supplemental
oxygen.
There is a rule that mentions a 10,000 foot altitude but it is in Part 121 and
does not apply to most of GA. The rules may differ in other countries.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> I believe the first standard point where you need oxygen is flying
> above 10,000 for more than 30 minutes. That is for healthy
> folks. For more decrepit old folks like me, I would not consider
> going above 10,000 at all without oxygen.
>
> Paul
> XL wings
> do not archive
>
> At 02:36 AM 10/14/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
> >
> >Oxygen is not required unless you fly above 12500 feet for more than 15
> >minutes.
> >
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| Subject: | Re: baffle strips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
John, you may need a little on air ducts under the cowl, but as with all the
rest of us, we bought a roll for about $30. something, still on the shelf.
Come to Georgia and I will give you a couple foot, best regards, Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Thatcher" <s_thatcher@bellsouth.net>
I am in need of a MA-3SPA carb for my corvair engine (I think). I was at
William's hangar in September and I think that was what he recommended, but
I'm not sure I remember correctly. If anyone has some suggestions on the
best carb to use or where to find one, I would welcome them
Thanks... and see you at CC #9
Scott Thatcher
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| Subject: | No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" <Jim.Weston@delta.com>
FWIW. I've had my Stratus Subaru powered 601HDS to 13,500 two different
times. It was still climbing, but just barely. And I sure was
breathing deeply. Felt like I was flying a commercial jet with the view
from that altitude. Spent 5 to 10 minutes of the 30 minute limit
getting from 12,500 to 13,500.
Good/Safe Flying,
Jim Weston
Concord, Ga.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
bryanmmartin@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
I was wrong about the duration but not the altitude. In the U.S.:
91.211 Supplemental Oxygen
(a) General. No person may operate a civil aircraft of
U.S. registry
(1) At cabin pressure altitudes above 12,500 feet (MSL) up to
and including 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum
flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen for
that part of the flight at those altitudes that is of more
than 30 minutes duration;
(2) At cabin pressure altitudes above 14,000 feet (MSL) unless
the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses
supplemental oxygen during the entire flight time at those
altitudes; and
(3) At cabin pressure altitudes above 15,000 feet (MSL) unless
each occupant of the aircraft is provided with supplemental
oxygen.
There is a rule that mentions a 10,000 foot altitude but it is in Part
121 and does not apply to most of GA. The rules may differ in other
countries.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> --> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> I believe the first standard point where you need oxygen is flying
> above 10,000 for more than 30 minutes. That is for healthy folks.
> For more decrepit old folks like me, I would not consider going above
> 10,000 at all without oxygen.
>
> Paul
> XL wings
> do not archive
>
> At 02:36 AM 10/14/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin
> >--> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
> >
> >Oxygen is not required unless you fly above 12500 feet for more than
> >15 minutes.
> >
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| Subject: | 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
I am almost to the point where I "need" to rivet on the top skin 7F2-1. I've done
my preliminary squaring and everything is looking good. Are there any gotcha's
after riveting the top skin? Like the rudder control cable and elevator
control cable routing and wiring to the tail for lights and trim, battery location,
etc. Should all the above be done before I close up the rear fuselage?
I'm not too good at crawling in those tight places.
Thanks,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
My Web Cam: http://69.92.114.178/img/main_fs.htm
45% and holding....
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" <piercetonypeggy@mail.usa.com>
We didn't have trouble running the control cables after the top was on, but
securing some conduit for the wiring was done prior to riveting on the top.
I believe we also had the rudder fairleads in place prior to riveting the
top.
Tony Pierce
N702PY
CH701... ready to fly, waiting on paperwork.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
>
> I am almost to the point where I "need" to rivet on the top skin 7F2-1.
> I've done my preliminary squaring and everything is looking good. Are
> there any gotcha's after riveting the top skin? Like the rudder control
> cable and elevator control cable routing and wiring to the tail for lights
> and trim, battery location, etc. Should all the above be done before I
> close up the rear fuselage? I'm not too good at crawling in those tight
> places.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tommy Walker in Alabama
> My Web Cam: http://69.92.114.178/img/main_fs.htm
>
> 45% and holding....
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Tommy: I left one side of the top skin clecoed until I was ready to paint. I am
glad I did because there were many times that I had to get back inside during
building. I could have done it another way but this was much easier.
Finally got it painted. Posted a picture. Jack in Los Osos CA
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker"
. Are there any gotcha's after riveting the top skin?
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: ch701 912 vibration |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Graeme,
I'm flying the 601 HDs with the 912 UL and an inflight-adjustable prop. To
have some small vibrations in the 3500 to 4500 RPM range - depending on the
pitch setting of the prop - seems normal wit the 912. I'm flying since 3
years now - no problems so far. Again, the vibrations are fairly small in my
case.
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graeme Bell" <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
Subject: Zenith-List: ch701 912 vibration
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graeme Bell"
<graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
>
> I have a vibration? in a ch701 with a recently fitted 20hrs s/hand 912a
motor 1100 hrs total time slipper clutch powerfin 68" seems to have slightly
more vibration between 4500 and 5200 rpm is this normal for this combination
or am I just paranoid?
>
> Graeme Bell
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> I would say yes to all of the above Tom
--- Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker"
> <twalker@cableone.net>
>
> I am almost to the point where I "need" to rivet on
> the top skin 7F2-1. I've done my preliminary
> squaring and everything is looking good. Are there
> any gotcha's after riveting the top skin? Like the
> rudder control cable and elevator control cable
> routing and wiring to the tail for lights and trim,
> battery location, etc. Should all the above be done
> before I close up the rear fuselage? I'm not too
> good at crawling in those tight places.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tommy Walker in Alabama
> My Web Cam: http://69.92.114.178/img/main_fs.htm
>
> 45% and holding....
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| Subject: | Re: baffle strips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
John- I've got enough to send you some for your XL. Send me your address
off list, and I'll send you enough for your two slots.
Regards,
Al Young
601XL Re-building
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
I also did my rudder cable holes and fairleads install first. I put the
fairleads on the outside per plans. You will have to crawl in there anyway to
put
the gussets in while trying to keep the thing square in the front. A pickup
truck cargo bar worked good for this.Some line and a plumb bob. Good luck.
Brian
Long Island
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick" <zodie@adelphia.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bohannon" <larryb54@alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tools
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" <larryb54@alltel.net>
>
> I'm just about ready to start installing the controls in my 701. The
> bellcrank calls for a few solid rivets which I have no tool to set them.
> Does anyone know of a quick easy way to set these rivets without having to
> buy an expensive tool just to do a few rivets? Also, it looks like I'm
> going to have to buy a swaging tool. Anyone know of a source of these that
> won't break the budget?
>
If you just need to set a few flush rivets, lay the part on a hefty flat
hard surface (anvil or vise?) with the head of the rivet on the bottom and
peen the bucktail with a steel drive-bar and a hammer. Make sure the rivet
isn't too long or it will bend over like a nail. The length of rivet
protruding thru the assembly prior to peening should be 1 and 1/2 times
the diameter of the rivet (1/8" rivet should protrude 3/16" prior to setting
the bucktail).
Practice on some scrap first, you'll get the hang of it.
Rick Pitcher
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| Subject: | How much to thin Cortec? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
Hi all -
I have been reading the archives about thinning cortec with denatured
alcohol, and I am wondering how much you all thin it? Plus, how much
do you think it makes a difference protection-wise between a "thick"
coat and a "thin" coat?
I suppose I am doing it approx. 50/50 like one poster - but it might
be 60/40 or even 70/30 (alcohol/cortec). My foam brush certainly
soaks it right up. I assume that with it on the thinner side it
provides a more even coat - though obviously thinner. Just curious
what you all think of the spectrum of protection to ease of
application.
Cheers, Michael
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Reuschle" <jreuschle@mindspring.com>
Larry,
I have a rivet squeezer. I also have a swaging tool.
Call me at 770-995-4055 at work and we can work out getting them to you.
Jeff Reuschle
CH 701JR
> [Original Message]
> From: Larry Bohannon <larryb54@alltel.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/13/2005 11:14:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tools
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" <larryb54@alltel.net>
>
> I'm just about ready to start installing the controls in my 701. The
bellcrank calls for a few solid rivets which I have no tool to set them.
Does anyone know of a quick easy way to set these rivets without having to
buy an expensive tool just to do a few rivets? Also, it looks like I'm
going to have to buy a swaging tool. Anyone know of a source of these that
won't break the budget?
> Larry Bohannon
> Winder, Georgia
>
>
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