---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/14/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:03 AM - Re: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) (Hunt Malcolm) 2. 02:31 AM - Re: baffle strips (Bryan Martin) 3. 02:37 AM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Bryan Martin) 4. 03:14 AM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Paul Mulwitz) 5. 05:54 AM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 6. 08:19 AM - Re: baffle strips (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 7. 09:45 AM - MA-3 SPA (Scott Thatcher) 8. 10:32 AM - Re: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... (Weston, Jim) 9. 10:53 AM - 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question (Tommy Walker) 10. 11:24 AM - Re: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question (Tony & Peggy Pierce) 11. 12:56 PM - Re: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question (Jack Russell) 12. 01:21 PM - Re: ch701 912 vibration (Thilo Kind) 13. 01:55 PM - Re: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question (ROBERT SCEPPA) 14. 04:13 PM - Re: baffle strips (Al Young) 15. 04:13 PM - Re: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question (RURUNY@aol.com) 16. 05:21 PM - Re: Tools (Rick) 17. 07:07 PM - How much to thin Cortec? (Michael Valentine) 18. 07:20 PM - Re: Tools (Jeff Reuschle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:59 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) From: "Hunt Malcolm" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" Thanks George and Larry for this. Malcolm Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" Malcolm-- 6-B-1 dimension far right of 6=b=4 is 1130 Dwg 6-W-6 Co-ordinate for Rib 1 X800, YL =....?----is 37.6 > Rib 5 X800, YU =....?----is 94.6 George May 601XL 912S >From: "Hunt Malcolm" >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:00:07 +0100 > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" > > >List > >Whilst we have the drawings out, mine have not printed well on a couple >of prints, can anyone confirm the following 601XL drawing dimensions? > >Dwg 6-B-1 Dimension at extreme right of part 6B1-4 (next to 1132). > >Dwg 6-W-6 Co-ordinate for Rib 1 X800, YL =....? > Rib 5 X800, YU =....? > >Many thanks in advance > >Malcolm Hunt >Plans Builder CH601xl England. > >Do no archive > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: STANDARD "L" ANGLE (was I need help already!) > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL > >Good Morning Bob: > >Standard "L" angle (for the 601XL) is listed as: > > t=.025" with dl of 36 and 19mm on each side of the "L." > >I uploaded a scan from 6-B-1 of my XL drawings (the first fuselage >drawing) here: > >http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Standard_L_Angle.jpg > >Instead of bending a bunch of 4' lengths, I just bend it as I need it >from scraps. There are lots of scraps from the wings - another good >reason to do the wings first. > >I hope this helps, > >Scott Laughlin >www.cooknwithgas.com >601XL / Corvair >Working on my Engine > > >ROBERT SCEPPA wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > > > Thanks Bob, but I am a plans builder. Just give me > > the thickness and the width and I will appreciate > > your info, I can't find it any of the sheets. > > Bob Sceppa > >--------------------------------- > > >Your attention is drawn to the fact that this email originated from a >source external to Network Rail. > > >*********************************************************************** ************************* >The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. 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It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. ************************************************************************************************ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: baffle strips From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin You could probably use it where the main landing gear spring attaches to the fuselage. ZAC sent me some pieces of hose split in half for this but I used some red rubber gasket material from ACE hardware for this instead because it was easier to lay flat in the gap between the brackets and gear spring. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. on 10/13/05 8:03 PM, john butterfield at jdbutterfield@yahoo.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield > > hi list > just working on my firewall and cut the slots for the > rudder pedels lines to pass through and the guide > shows a baffle strip and references aircraft spruce as > the source of the material. i am wondering if this is > the only place i will need this material. AC spruce > sells it in a 3x84" strip and it looks like i only > need a foot or so. is there any further use for this > material? don't want to have six feet of this stuff > around if i don't need it > > thanks > john butterfield > 601XL, corvair > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin Oxygen is not required unless you fly above 12500 feet for more than 15 minutes. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. on 10/14/05 12:34 AM, Paul Mulwitz at p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz > > Hi Jim, > > I agree with all you have said. > > However, there is a problem with flying an LSA over 10,000 feet. I > thought LSA were not allowed to have oxygen systems. Perhaps a > portable O2 tank? > > Paul > XL wings > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:20 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz I believe the first standard point where you need oxygen is flying above 10,000 for more than 30 minutes. That is for healthy folks. For more decrepit old folks like me, I would not consider going above 10,000 at all without oxygen. Paul XL wings do not archive At 02:36 AM 10/14/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > >Oxygen is not required unless you fly above 12500 feet for more than 15 >minutes. > > >-- >Bryan Martin >N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. >do not archive. > > >on 10/14/05 12:34 AM, Paul Mulwitz at p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > I agree with all you have said. > > > > However, there is a problem with flying an LSA over 10,000 feet. I > > thought LSA were not allowed to have oxygen systems. Perhaps a > > portable O2 tank? > > > > Paul > > XL wings > > do not archive > > > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:40 AM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net I was wrong about the duration but not the altitude. In the U.S.: 91.211 Supplemental Oxygen (a) General. No person may operate a civil aircraft of U.S. registry (1) At cabin pressure altitudes above 12,500 feet (MSL) up to and including 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen for that part of the flight at those altitudes that is of more than 30 minutes duration; (2) At cabin pressure altitudes above 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen during the entire flight time at those altitudes; and (3) At cabin pressure altitudes above 15,000 feet (MSL) unless each occupant of the aircraft is provided with supplemental oxygen. There is a rule that mentions a 10,000 foot altitude but it is in Part 121 and does not apply to most of GA. The rules may differ in other countries. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz > > I believe the first standard point where you need oxygen is flying > above 10,000 for more than 30 minutes. That is for healthy > folks. For more decrepit old folks like me, I would not consider > going above 10,000 at all without oxygen. > > Paul > XL wings > do not archive > > At 02:36 AM 10/14/2005, you wrote: > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > > > >Oxygen is not required unless you fly above 12500 feet for more than 15 > >minutes. > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:29 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: baffle strips --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com John, you may need a little on air ducts under the cowl, but as with all the rest of us, we bought a roll for about $30. something, still on the shelf. Come to Georgia and I will give you a couple foot, best regards, Bill ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:10 AM PST US From: "Scott Thatcher" Subject: Zenith-List: MA-3 SPA --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Thatcher" I am in need of a MA-3SPA carb for my corvair engine (I think). I was at William's hangar in September and I think that was what he recommended, but I'm not sure I remember correctly. If anyone has some suggestions on the best carb to use or where to find one, I would welcome them Thanks... and see you at CC #9 Scott Thatcher ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:54 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... From: "Weston, Jim" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" FWIW. I've had my Stratus Subaru powered 601HDS to 13,500 two different times. It was still climbing, but just barely. And I sure was breathing deeply. Felt like I was flying a commercial jet with the view from that altitude. Spent 5 to 10 minutes of the 30 minute limit getting from 12,500 to 13,500. Good/Safe Flying, Jim Weston Concord, Ga. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: No legal night/IFR with Rotax or Jabiru... --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net I was wrong about the duration but not the altitude. In the U.S.: 91.211 Supplemental Oxygen (a) General. No person may operate a civil aircraft of U.S. registry (1) At cabin pressure altitudes above 12,500 feet (MSL) up to and including 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen for that part of the flight at those altitudes that is of more than 30 minutes duration; (2) At cabin pressure altitudes above 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen during the entire flight time at those altitudes; and (3) At cabin pressure altitudes above 15,000 feet (MSL) unless each occupant of the aircraft is provided with supplemental oxygen. There is a rule that mentions a 10,000 foot altitude but it is in Part 121 and does not apply to most of GA. The rules may differ in other countries. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz > --> > > I believe the first standard point where you need oxygen is flying > above 10,000 for more than 30 minutes. That is for healthy folks. > For more decrepit old folks like me, I would not consider going above > 10,000 at all without oxygen. > > Paul > XL wings > do not archive > > At 02:36 AM 10/14/2005, you wrote: > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > >--> > > > >Oxygen is not required unless you fly above 12500 feet for more than > >15 minutes. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:57 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" I am almost to the point where I "need" to rivet on the top skin 7F2-1. I've done my preliminary squaring and everything is looking good. Are there any gotcha's after riveting the top skin? Like the rudder control cable and elevator control cable routing and wiring to the tail for lights and trim, battery location, etc. Should all the above be done before I close up the rear fuselage? I'm not too good at crawling in those tight places. Thanks, Tommy Walker in Alabama My Web Cam: http://69.92.114.178/img/main_fs.htm 45% and holding.... ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:24 AM PST US From: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" We didn't have trouble running the control cables after the top was on, but securing some conduit for the wiring was done prior to riveting on the top. I believe we also had the rudder fairleads in place prior to riveting the top. Tony Pierce N702PY CH701... ready to fly, waiting on paperwork. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" > > I am almost to the point where I "need" to rivet on the top skin 7F2-1. > I've done my preliminary squaring and everything is looking good. Are > there any gotcha's after riveting the top skin? Like the rudder control > cable and elevator control cable routing and wiring to the tail for lights > and trim, battery location, etc. Should all the above be done before I > close up the rear fuselage? I'm not too good at crawling in those tight > places. > > Thanks, > > Tommy Walker in Alabama > My Web Cam: http://69.92.114.178/img/main_fs.htm > > 45% and holding.... > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:53 PM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell Tommy: I left one side of the top skin clecoed until I was ready to paint. I am glad I did because there were many times that I had to get back inside during building. I could have done it another way but this was much easier. Finally got it painted. Posted a picture. Jack in Los Osos CA --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" . Are there any gotcha's after riveting the top skin? Jack Russell -Clovis CA 601 XL Jabiru 3300 Progress update at: http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:16 PM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ch701 912 vibration --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Hi Graeme, I'm flying the 601 HDs with the 912 UL and an inflight-adjustable prop. To have some small vibrations in the 3500 to 4500 RPM range - depending on the pitch setting of the prop - seems normal wit the 912. I'm flying since 3 years now - no problems so far. Again, the vibrations are fairly small in my case. Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Bell" Subject: Zenith-List: ch701 912 vibration > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graeme Bell" > > I have a vibration? in a ch701 with a recently fitted 20hrs s/hand 912a motor 1100 hrs total time slipper clutch powerfin 68" seems to have slightly more vibration between 4500 and 5200 rpm is this normal for this combination or am I just paranoid? > > Graeme Bell > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:32 PM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > I would say yes to all of the above Tom --- Tommy Walker wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" > > > I am almost to the point where I "need" to rivet on > the top skin 7F2-1. I've done my preliminary > squaring and everything is looking good. Are there > any gotcha's after riveting the top skin? Like the > rudder control cable and elevator control cable > routing and wiring to the tail for lights and trim, > battery location, etc. Should all the above be done > before I close up the rear fuselage? I'm not too > good at crawling in those tight places. > > Thanks, > > Tommy Walker in Alabama > My Web Cam: http://69.92.114.178/img/main_fs.htm > > 45% and holding.... > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > __________________________________ Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:20 PM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: baffle strips --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" John- I've got enough to send you some for your XL. Send me your address off list, and I'll send you enough for your two slots. Regards, Al Young 601XL Re-building ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:20 PM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Rear Fuselage Top Skin Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com I also did my rudder cable holes and fairleads install first. I put the fairleads on the outside per plans. You will have to crawl in there anyway to put the gussets in while trying to keep the thing square in the front. A pickup truck cargo bar worked good for this.Some line and a plumb bob. Good luck. Brian Long Island ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:23 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tools --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bohannon" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tools > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" > > I'm just about ready to start installing the controls in my 701. The > bellcrank calls for a few solid rivets which I have no tool to set them. > Does anyone know of a quick easy way to set these rivets without having to > buy an expensive tool just to do a few rivets? Also, it looks like I'm > going to have to buy a swaging tool. Anyone know of a source of these that > won't break the budget? > If you just need to set a few flush rivets, lay the part on a hefty flat hard surface (anvil or vise?) with the head of the rivet on the bottom and peen the bucktail with a steel drive-bar and a hammer. Make sure the rivet isn't too long or it will bend over like a nail. The length of rivet protruding thru the assembly prior to peening should be 1 and 1/2 times the diameter of the rivet (1/8" rivet should protrude 3/16" prior to setting the bucktail). Practice on some scrap first, you'll get the hang of it. Rick Pitcher ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:17 PM PST US From: Michael Valentine Subject: Zenith-List: How much to thin Cortec? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Valentine Hi all - I have been reading the archives about thinning cortec with denatured alcohol, and I am wondering how much you all thin it? Plus, how much do you think it makes a difference protection-wise between a "thick" coat and a "thin" coat? I suppose I am doing it approx. 50/50 like one poster - but it might be 60/40 or even 70/30 (alcohol/cortec). My foam brush certainly soaks it right up. I assume that with it on the thinner side it provides a more even coat - though obviously thinner. Just curious what you all think of the spectrum of protection to ease of application. Cheers, Michael ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:51 PM PST US From: "Jeff Reuschle" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tools --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Reuschle" Larry, I have a rivet squeezer. I also have a swaging tool. Call me at 770-995-4055 at work and we can work out getting them to you. Jeff Reuschle CH 701JR > [Original Message] > From: Larry Bohannon > To: > Date: 10/13/2005 11:14:10 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tools > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Bohannon" > > I'm just about ready to start installing the controls in my 701. The bellcrank calls for a few solid rivets which I have no tool to set them. Does anyone know of a quick easy way to set these rivets without having to buy an expensive tool just to do a few rivets? Also, it looks like I'm going to have to buy a swaging tool. Anyone know of a source of these that won't break the budget? > Larry Bohannon > Winder, Georgia > >