Zenith-List Digest Archive

Sat 10/15/05


Total Messages Posted: 21



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:05 PM - N414PZ Landing incident (Paul Hartl)
     2. 12:06 PM - Zodiac XL & Jabiru 3300 & Auxiliary Electric Fuel Pump (Bill Denton)
     3. 12:39 PM - Ameri-King ELT antenna breakoff (Paul Hartl)
     4. 01:21 PM - Re: Zodiac XL & Jabiru 3300 & Auxiliary Electric Fuel Pump (Pete Krotje)
     5. 01:49 PM - Re: Ameri-King ELT antenna breakoff ()
     6. 02:39 PM - Re: N414PZ Landing incident (Larry McFarland)
     7. 03:16 PM - Re: How much to thin Cortec? (george may)
     8. 03:48 PM - Re: How much to thin Cortec? (Brad Cohen)
     9. 04:19 PM - Re: N414PZ Landing incident (ron dewees)
    10. 04:36 PM - aileron hinge conversion (ron dewees)
    11. 04:57 PM - Re: How much to thin Cortec? (Charles Deiterich)
    12. 05:12 PM - Re: How much to thin Cortec? (Ihab Awad)
    13. 05:16 PM - Re: Ameri-King ELT antenna breakoff (Jim and Lucy)
    14. 05:29 PM - Re: How much to thin Cortec? (Brad Cohen)
    15. 06:14 PM - Re: N414PZ Landing incident (Trell & Amy Hall)
    16. 06:31 PM - Riveted Gas Tanks (Gary A. Boothe)
    17. 06:43 PM - Wheels or floats first, 701? (Roland Smith)
    18. 06:48 PM - Re: N414PZ Landing incident (Jeff Davidson)
    19. 08:29 PM - CAM 100 (Grant Corriveau)
    20. 09:43 PM - Re: Ameri-King ELT antenna breakoff (n801bh@netzero.com)
    21. 11:42 PM - Re: Wheels or floats first, 701? WHEELS (Chip W. Erwin)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:05:29 PM PST US
    From: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
    "'Zenith-List Digest Server'" <zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
    Subject: N414PZ Landing incident
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net> Last evening, as I made a nearly calm-wind landing at KSUN, my 34th landing in 601HDS N414PZ, I heard and felt unpretty sounds and vibrations from my right main wheel. It wasn't violent, but it was distinctly not right, either. As I limped back, slowly, to my tie-down, it became clear that I wouldn't be doing anymore flying for a while. An inspection in this morning's light revealed detroyed bearing parts hanging out on the axel, which, upon removal of the wheel revealed a most unexpected sight. My main wheels - made by Matco and supplied as part of my kit by Zenith in June of 1998, did not contain the tapered roller bearings that my Matco drawings show, but instead contained ball bearings! According to the Matco instructions that came with my wheels, the front wheel contains ball bearings, but the mains contain tapered roller bearings. A mixup, perhaps? Not on my part - because the front wheel doesn't have the weld points for the brake rotor - only the mains have these, so it wasn't me that mixed up parts - this must have occurred at Matco. I doubt if Zenith knew (or even could have known), as they probably don't look much different from the outside - but this is just one more example of poor Matco workmanship. So beware Matco wheel owners - these are crappy products, and I am none to pleased to be using them on my aircraft. I will be talking to Matco on Monday, and will report back to you then. Oh, otherwise, she flies great! Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 23 hrs Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147


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    Time: 12:06:44 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
    Subject: Zodiac XL & Jabiru 3300 & Auxiliary Electric Fuel Pump
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com> What is the current thinking regarding the use of an electric fuel pump as a backup to the mechanical pump on the Jabiru 3300? Are most builders using a backup pump? I have noticed that on most fuel system schematics I have seen, a check valve is used on the outlet side of the mechanical pump to prevent the electric pump from forcing fuel backwards through the mechanical pump. Is a check valve also required on the outlet side of the electrical pump? On a related not, I have noticed that in most low-wing aircraft that I have seen, the fuel selector valve only permits a choice of left tank/right tank, while many high-wing aircraft allow a choice of left tank/right tank/both tanks. Is there some reason why left/right/both selectors are not used on low-wing airplanes? Thanks...


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    Time: 12:39:12 PM PST US
    From: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
    Subject: Ameri-King ELT antenna breakoff
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net> One more part that died: Sometime in the last 4 hours of flight, the antenna for my Ameri-King AK-450 ELT broke off - on its own. Aren't these things were supposed to be able to endure a crash landing - I mean, isn't that the point of them being required? Now, it is true that not every one of my 34 landings has been a greaser, but none have even remotely approached crash status! What's more, the same thing happened to Win Ellis's AK-450 antenna on his 701, even earlier in his flight testing. So how do these things get OK'd for use, anyway? Doesn't the FAA, which requires that I buy and install an ELT, bother to look into the quality of ELTs, even if they're not for certified aircraft? Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 23 hours Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147


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    Time: 01:21:19 PM PST US
    From: "Pete Krotje" <pkrotje@athenet.net>
    Subject: Zodiac XL & Jabiru 3300 & Auxiliary Electric Fuel Pump
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" <pkrotje@athenet.net> Bill, Jabiru recommends an electric back up pump plumbed in series. We use "Universal Electric Fuel Pump" frokm NAPA of Advance Auto Parrts. It's made by Facet. Use the one with th lower pressure output of about 2 to 4 PSI Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Denton Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac XL & Jabiru 3300 & Auxiliary Electric Fuel Pump --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com> What is the current thinking regarding the use of an electric fuel pump as a backup to the mechanical pump on the Jabiru 3300? Are most builders using a backup pump? I have noticed that on most fuel system schematics I have seen, a check valve is used on the outlet side of the mechanical pump to prevent the electric pump from forcing fuel backwards through the mechanical pump. Is a check valve also required on the outlet side of the electrical pump? On a related not, I have noticed that in most low-wing aircraft that I have seen, the fuel selector valve only permits a choice of left tank/right tank, while many high-wing aircraft allow a choice of left tank/right tank/both tanks. Is there some reason why left/right/both selectors are not used on low-wing airplanes? Thanks...


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    Time: 01:49:22 PM PST US
    From: <davgray@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Ameri-King ELT antenna breakoff
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: <davgray@sbcglobal.net> My AK-450 ELT antenna is easily pulled from its base mount and I don't see any method for tightening it so I elected to use a second bent whip antenna instead of the one supplied with the unit. It was in this condition on a new 2005 unit out of the box. Gary Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net> Subject: Zenith-List: Ameri-King ELT antenna breakoff > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net> > > One more part that died: > > Sometime in the last 4 hours of flight, the antenna for my Ameri-King > AK-450 ELT broke off - on its own. Aren't these things were supposed to > be able to endure a crash landing - I mean, isn't that the point of them > being required? Now, it is true that not every one of my 34 landings has > been a greaser, but none have even remotely approached crash status! > What's more, the same thing happened to Win Ellis's AK-450 antenna on > his 701, even earlier in his flight testing. So how do these things get > OK'd for use, anyway? Doesn't the FAA, which requires that I buy and > install an ELT, bother to look into the quality of ELTs, even if they're > not for certified aircraft? > > > Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 23 hours > Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl > Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 > >


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    Time: 02:39:13 PM PST US
    From: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
    Subject: Re: N414PZ Landing incident
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com> Paul, I'm seriously pleased to hear you were able to make the trek back to your tie-down without damaging the strut plate or worse, dropping a wing. Such a mistake is outside the classification of poor workmanship and definitely a factory recall error. I'm sure that Matco will make it right and when your anger subsides you'll find they are pretty good people to deal with. I just hope not too many more are found that way. Now to remove fairings a third time this week to check each wheel to see what's inside. I made a quick and inexpensive lift last year that may assist Matco users in raising the fork to remove a wheel during the annual. See link below. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/hscentersection/full/Teebarforkjack2.gif Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Paul Hartl wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net> > >Last evening, as I made a nearly calm-wind landing at KSUN, my 34th >landing in 601HDS N414PZ, I heard and felt unpretty sounds and >vibrations from my right main wheel. It wasn't violent, but it was >distinctly not right, either. As I limped back, slowly, to my tie-down, >it became clear that I wouldn't be doing anymore flying for a while. An >inspection in this morning's light revealed detroyed bearing parts >hanging out on the axel, which, upon removal of the wheel revealed a >most unexpected sight. My main wheels - made by Matco and supplied as >part of my kit by Zenith in June of 1998, did not contain the tapered >roller bearings that my Matco drawings show, but instead contained ball >bearings! According to the Matco instructions that came with my wheels, >the front wheel contains ball bearings, but the mains contain tapered >roller bearings. A mixup, perhaps? Not on my part - because the front >wheel doesn't have the weld points for the brake rotor - only the mains >have these, so it wasn't me that mixed up parts - this must have >occurred at Matco. I doubt if Zenith knew (or even could have known), >as they probably don't look much different from the outside - but this >is just one more example of poor Matco workmanship. So beware Matco >wheel owners - these are crappy products, and I am none to pleased to be >using them on my aircraft. > >I will be talking to Matco on Monday, and will report back to you then. >Oh, otherwise, she flies great! > > >Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 23 hrs > >Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl > >Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 > > > >


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    Time: 03:16:11 PM PST US
    From: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
    Subject: How much to thin Cortec?
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com> Michael--- 50/50 is what I'm using, however, according to the instructions, even this is more than is required for a thin film on the surfaces. I wouldn't worry about a higher percentage George May 601XL 912S >From: Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com> >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: How much to thin Cortec? >Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:05:56 -0400 > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Valentine ><mgvalentine@gmail.com> > >Hi all - > >I have been reading the archives about thinning cortec with denatured >alcohol, and I am wondering how much you all thin it? Plus, how much >do you think it makes a difference protection-wise between a "thick" >coat and a "thin" coat? > >I suppose I am doing it approx. 50/50 like one poster - but it might >be 60/40 or even 70/30 (alcohol/cortec). My foam brush certainly >soaks it right up. I assume that with it on the thinner side it >provides a more even coat - though obviously thinner. Just curious >what you all think of the spectrum of protection to ease of >application. > >Cheers, Michael > >


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    Time: 03:48:57 PM PST US
    From: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
    Subject: How much to thin Cortec?
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com> According to the package insert, and verified via phone with the tech rep, I have been mixing it 4:1 with denatured alcohol and I get a smooth even coat that dries quickly Just my $0.02 worth -Brad Cohen 601XL working on the port wing >From: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: How much to thin Cortec? >Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:09:50 -0400 > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com> > >Michael--- > 50/50 is what I'm using, however, according to the instructions, even >this is more than is required for a thin film on the surfaces. >I wouldn't worry about a higher percentage > >George May >601XL 912S > > > >From: Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com> > >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com > >To: zenith-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Zenith-List: How much to thin Cortec? > >Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:05:56 -0400 > > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Valentine > ><mgvalentine@gmail.com> > > > >Hi all - > > > >I have been reading the archives about thinning cortec with denatured > >alcohol, and I am wondering how much you all thin it? Plus, how much > >do you think it makes a difference protection-wise between a "thick" > >coat and a "thin" coat? > > > >I suppose I am doing it approx. 50/50 like one poster - but it might > >be 60/40 or even 70/30 (alcohol/cortec). My foam brush certainly > >soaks it right up. I assume that with it on the thinner side it > >provides a more even coat - though obviously thinner. Just curious > >what you all think of the spectrum of protection to ease of > >application. > > > >Cheers, Michael > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:19:18 PM PST US
    From: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: N414PZ Landing incident
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com> Hi Paul, Thanks so much for the heads- up on the bearings. You really have me paranoid now since Jim in North Carolina had a gear leg weld break and lost a wheel on landing a couple of weeks ago! Please let us know what Matco says or offers. If there is any external way to tell the bearings apart without disassembling the wheel. I really don't need another thing to worry about with rolling parts. Last night my Matco brakes let me down and I coasted thru a fence and am doing a main wing skin replacement today. It's not been a good month for Matco/ZAC users in the wheel department. Thanks Ron 601HDS taildragger/Jab 3300 94 hours do not archive Paul Hartl wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net> > >Last evening, as I made a nearly calm-wind landing at KSUN, my 34th >landing in 601HDS N414PZ, I heard and felt unpretty sounds and >vibrations from my right main wheel. It wasn't violent, but it was >distinctly not right, either. As I limped back, slowly, to my tie-down, >it became clear that I wouldn't be doing anymore flying for a while. An >inspection in this morning's light revealed detroyed bearing parts >hanging out on the axel, which, upon removal of the wheel revealed a >most unexpected sight. My main wheels - made by Matco and supplied as >part of my kit by Zenith in June of 1998, did not contain the tapered >roller bearings that my Matco drawings show, but instead contained ball >bearings! According to the Matco instructions that came with my wheels, >the front wheel contains ball bearings, but the mains contain tapered >roller bearings. A mixup, perhaps? Not on my part - because the front >wheel doesn't have the weld points for the brake rotor - only the mains >have these, so it wasn't me that mixed up parts - this must have >occurred at Matco. I doubt if Zenith knew (or even could have known), >as they probably don't look much different from the outside - but this >is just one more example of poor Matco workmanship. So beware Matco >wheel owners - these are crappy products, and I am none to pleased to be >using them on my aircraft. > >I will be talking to Matco on Monday, and will report back to you then. >Oh, otherwise, she flies great! > > >Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 23 hrs > > >


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    Time: 04:36:04 PM PST US
    From: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
    Subject: aileron hinge conversion
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com> Hi listers, My 601 HDS is down for some maintenance at the time and I have been giving some thought to converting from hingeless to hinged ailerons. Don't get me wrong, I have no particular complaint with the hingeless aileron and think it will last into the next century. I do think it's stiffer than a hinged aileron and that my ailreon trim is almost useless because it tries to work against the friction of the wing skin rather than hinges like the elevator uses. For anyone who has converted from hingeless to hinged, what has been your experience, was it worth it, and what kind of piano hinge did you use. It looks like you need a wide hinge to reach the two rivet lines and even then, will need a third rivet line to secure the overlapping edges of the old aileron skin. Pictures or comments would be very welcome. Thanks Ron 601HDS


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    Time: 04:57:18 PM PST US
    Subject: How much to thin Cortec?
    From: "Charles Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net> What is a good source for Cortec primer? Thanks, Chuck D. N701TX > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com> > > According to the package insert, and verified via phone with the tech rep, > I > have been mixing it 4:1 with denatured alcohol and I get a smooth even > coat > that dries quickly > Just my $0.02 worth > > -Brad Cohen > 601XL working on the port wing > >


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    Time: 05:12:22 PM PST US
    From: Ihab Awad <ihab.awad@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: How much to thin Cortec?
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ihab Awad <ihab.awad@gmail.com> On 10/15/05, Charles Deiterich <cfd@thegateway.net> wrote: > What is a good source for Cortec primer? ZAC sells it to their customers, as I'm sure other list members will tell you. But I have had an excellent relationship with the following supplier -- Century Corrosion, http://www.centurycorrosion.com/ Terry Clinkenbeard ( TerryC *at* centurycorrosion *dot* com ) I believe they sell Cortec 373 in 1-gallon quantities, and at a competitive price. They were extremely helpful in providing information and getting the Cortec factory to send me a free 1-pint sample for some experimenting I needed to do. Highly recommended. Regards & peace, Ihab -- Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA


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    Time: 05:16:10 PM PST US
    From: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@ciaccess.com>
    Subject: Re: Ameri-King ELT antenna breakoff
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@ciaccess.com> At 03:35 PM 10/15/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net> > >One more part that died: > >Sometime in the last 4 hours of flight, the antenna for my Ameri-King >AK-450 ELT broke off - on its own. Mine fell apart when I lifted the antenna up to measure the coax length. I superglued it back together and it seemed to withstand a reasonable pull test. They also sent it with the batteries installed and when I opened the package it was transmitting and the batteries were nearly dead. I suspect that without the antenna hooked up that it did not put out much signal. A call to SAR in Trenton confirmed that they did not hear it. Jim Pollard Merlin Ont.


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    Time: 05:29:16 PM PST US
    From: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
    Subject: How much to thin Cortec?
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com> I bought mine from ZAC when I bought the kit....I am not sure if you can get it from Aircraft Spruce or Wicks. The website www.cortecvci.com has an 800 number but does not list purchasing info (that I could find) Good Luck -Brad >From: "Charles Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net> >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: How much to thin Cortec? >Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:56:09 -0500 (CDT) > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net> > >What is a good source for Cortec primer? >Thanks, >Chuck D. >N701TX > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com> > > > > According to the package insert, and verified via phone with the tech >rep, > > I > > have been mixing it 4:1 with denatured alcohol and I get a smooth even > > coat > > that dries quickly > > Just my $0.02 worth > > > > -Brad Cohen > > 601XL working on the port wing > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:14:16 PM PST US
    From: "Trell & Amy Hall" <hallsplace@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: N414PZ Landing incident
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trell & Amy Hall" <hallsplace@charter.net> That is a cool lift, simple and sweet Trell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N414PZ Landing incident > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com> > > Paul, > I'm seriously pleased to hear you were able to make the trek back to > your tie-down without damaging > the strut plate or worse, dropping a wing. Such a mistake is outside > the classification of poor workmanship > and definitely a factory recall error. I'm sure that Matco will make it > right and when your anger subsides > you'll find they are pretty good people to deal with. I just hope not > too many more are found that way. Now to remove > fairings a third time this week to check each wheel to see what's > inside. I made a quick and inexpensive > lift last year that may assist Matco users in raising the fork to remove > a wheel during the annual. See link below. > http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/hscentersection/full/Teebarforkjack2.gif > > Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > > > Paul Hartl wrote: > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net> > > > >Last evening, as I made a nearly calm-wind landing at KSUN, my 34th > >landing in 601HDS N414PZ, I heard and felt unpretty sounds and > >vibrations from my right main wheel. It wasn't violent, but it was > >distinctly not right, either. As I limped back, slowly, to my tie-down, > >it became clear that I wouldn't be doing anymore flying for a while. An > >inspection in this morning's light revealed detroyed bearing parts > >hanging out on the axel, which, upon removal of the wheel revealed a > >most unexpected sight. My main wheels - made by Matco and supplied as > >part of my kit by Zenith in June of 1998, did not contain the tapered > >roller bearings that my Matco drawings show, but instead contained ball > >bearings! According to the Matco instructions that came with my wheels, > >the front wheel contains ball bearings, but the mains contain tapered > >roller bearings. A mixup, perhaps? Not on my part - because the front > >wheel doesn't have the weld points for the brake rotor - only the mains > >have these, so it wasn't me that mixed up parts - this must have > >occurred at Matco. I doubt if Zenith knew (or even could have known), > >as they probably don't look much different from the outside - but this > >is just one more example of poor Matco workmanship. So beware Matco > >wheel owners - these are crappy products, and I am none to pleased to be > >using them on my aircraft. > > > >I will be talking to Matco on Monday, and will report back to you then. > >Oh, otherwise, she flies great! > > > > > >Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 23 hrs > > > >Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl > > > >Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:31:51 PM PST US
    From: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
    Subject: Riveted Gas Tanks
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com> Listers, I am considering building my metal fuel tanks using the flanged, riveted method as described on the EAA Homebuilders site. Anyone have some insights on that? Obviously, I am aware of some of the benefits of welded joints, so I would like to focus on the successful applications of rivets and sealers. Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca <gboothe@calply.com> 601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete Tail Group - complete. Working on Wings...


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    Time: 06:43:47 PM PST US
    From: "Roland Smith" <docponds@sover.net>
    Subject: Wheels or floats first, 701?
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roland Smith" <docponds@sover.net> I'm a 701 kit builder, currently working on wings (anticipating Rotax ULS). My goal is to fly with amphibious floats, which I already have. If I skipped the wheel's-only phase might there be one less FAA sign off and less hassle with reconfiguration. I'm a private pilot working on seaplane rating. Any experience with this? Roland Smith Bennington, Vermont


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    Time: 06:48:22 PM PST US
    From: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
    Subject: N414PZ Landing incident
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net> Paul wrote: ...... An inspection in this morning's light revealed detroyed bearing parts hanging out on the axel, which, upon removal of the wheel revealed a most unexpected sight. My main wheels - made by Matco and supplied as part of my kit by Zenith in June of 1998, did not contain the tapered roller bearings that my Matco drawings show, but instead contained ball bearings! Paul, As I have been told the story, the assets of MATCO were sold to a new owner during the year 2000. I have wheels that predate that too. You can find my difficulties with the three bolts that hold the two halves of the wheels together in the archives. But I received excellent support from George Happ of MATCO in resolving the problem. George also has addressed the "weak brakes" complaint explaining the problem, building a demonstration prototype, and offering multiple solutions. Overall, the pre-2000 wheels seem to have some lingering problems with bolts, bearings, and the Zenith pedal design that all builders should be aware of. Jeff Davidson CH 601 HD Jabiru 3300 Canoe stage finally!


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    Time: 08:29:27 PM PST US
    Subject: CAM 100
    From: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net> > Grant, how do you make out with your Cam 100. Would you recommend it for a > 701. Thanks > Jean-Paul (just ordered my plans) Roy This summer the engine has been performing reliably, but altogether I still only have about 40 hours on it. I believe that the CAM100/125 engines are an excellent concept, but my particular engine has had some quality control issues that have caused me a lot of lost time over the past few years. I think it would be too heavy for the 701. The total installation of the CAM100 works out to about 80 lbs heavier than a Rotax 912. -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100


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    Time: 09:43:11 PM PST US
    From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
    Subject: Re: Ameri-King ELT antenna breakoff
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com> One more part that died: Sometime in the last 4 hours of flight, the antenna for my Ameri-King AK-450 ELT broke off - on its own. Aren't these things were supposed to be able to endure a crash landing - I mean, isn't that the point of them being required? Now, it is true that not every one of my 34 landings has been a greaser, but none have even remotely approached crash status! What's more, the same thing happened to Win Ellis's AK-450 antenna on his 701, even earlier in his flight testing. So how do these things get OK'd for use, anyway? Doesn't the FAA, which requires that I buy and install an ELT, bother to look into the quality of ELTs, even if they're not for certified aircraft? Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 23 hours Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Mine broke off on the second flight of my 801 here in Jackson Hole. It is somewhere in Grand Teton park scattered among the sagebrush. I did email Ameri-King but got no response. Since this seems to happen all the time I guess the: "do not archive" will do. I did test the unit on my last annual and it does send a very strong signal without the antenna installed... Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com One more part that died: Sometime in the last 4 hours of flight, the antenna for my Ameri-King AK-450 ELT broke off - on its own. Aren't these things were supposed to be able to endure a crash landing - I mean, isn't that the point of them being required? Now, it is true that not every one of my 34 landings has been a greaser, but none have even remotely approached crash status! What's more, the same thing happened to Win Ellis's AK-450 antenna on his 701, even earlier in his flight testing. So how do these things get OK'd for use, anyway? Doesn't the FAA, which requires that I buy and install an ELT, bother to look into the quality of ELTs, even if they're not for certified aircraft? Paul Hartl, N414PZ, 601HDS/Jabiru 3300A, 23 hours Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: www.members.cox.net/paulhartl Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 //////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Mine broke off on the second flight of my 801 here in Jackson Hole. It is somewhere in Grand Teton park scattered among the sagebrush. I did email Ameri-King but got no response. Since this seems to happen all the time I guess the: "do not archive" will do. I did test the unit on my last annual and it does send a very strong signal without the antenna installed... BenHaas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com


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    Time: 11:42:36 PM PST US
    From: "Chip W. Erwin" <aircraft@czaw.cz>
    Subject: Wheels or floats first, 701? WHEELS
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chip W. Erwin" <aircraft@czaw.cz> I suggest to all our float customers to learn to fly the aircraft very well on wheels first. The 701 has excellent STOL performance which takes some time to master. Flying on floats changes the aircraft parameters significantly. By knowing how to fly on wheels you will have an easy transition to floats. And as far as I know, no further FAA inspection is required to add the floats. CHIP Chip W. Erwin CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS LUCNI 1824 686 02 STARE MESTO, CZECH REPUBLIC TEL: +420 572 543 456 FAX: +420 572 543 692 USA FAX: 772-264-0936 Mobile: +420 602 342 717 E-MAIL: AIRCRAFT@CZAW.CZ WWW.AIRPLANE.CZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Wheels or floats first, 701? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roland Smith" <docponds@sover.net> I'm a 701 kit builder, currently working on wings (anticipating Rotax ULS). My goal is to fly with amphibious floats, which I already have. If I skipped the wheel's-only phase might there be one less FAA sign off and less hassle with reconfiguration. I'm a private pilot working on seaplane rating. Any experience with this? Roland Smith Bennington, Vermont




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