Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:59 AM - 912 prop selection (Bruce Thomas)
2. 04:30 AM - Re: Fuel system parts / questions (Robin Bellach)
3. 05:11 AM - ELTs (Beckman, Rick)
4. 07:48 AM - Re: ELTs T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 (Gray, Rand)
5. 07:49 AM - Re: 701 aileron trim (Elwood140@aol.com)
6. 08:43 AM - Re: (Hunt Malcolm)
7. 08:53 AM - Re: 701 aileron trim (doug kandle)
8. 09:52 AM - Re: 701 aileron trim (Paul Mulwitz)
9. 10:01 AM - XL Kit for sale (Rob Norris)
10. 11:02 AM - 601XL Brake Problem (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
11. 11:13 AM - Re: 701 aileron trim (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
12. 11:19 AM - Re: 701 aileron trim (Dave Austin)
13. 12:03 PM - Jab 3300 Carb Duct Hose Separator (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
14. 12:24 PM - Spitfire (Carlos Sa)
15. 12:28 PM - A6 Rivets in 601HD wing kit (Graham Kirby)
16. 12:43 PM - Oil leak on Rotax 912 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
17. 12:48 PM - Re: 701 aileron trim (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
18. 01:02 PM - Re: Spitfire (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
19. 01:15 PM - Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
20. 01:32 PM - Excellent Zodie XL for sale (Grant Corriveau)
21. 01:48 PM - Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
22. 01:51 PM - Re: Jab 3300 Carb Duct Hose Separator (Dan Ribb)
23. 02:06 PM - Re: Excellent Zodie XL for sale (Zodie Rocket)
24. 02:18 PM - Re: Nyoil (kevinbonds)
25. 03:09 PM - Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 (David Alberti)
26. 03:50 PM - Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
27. 04:02 PM - 601 XL Question - weight & balance (Kevin Thorp)
28. 04:04 PM - oil leak (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
29. 04:22 PM - Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 (Dave Austin)
30. 04:27 PM - Re: teflon tape (Craig Spainhower)
31. 04:45 PM - Re: 701 aileron trim (Elwood140@aol.com)
32. 04:49 PM - Dimensions? (Aaron)
33. 04:58 PM - Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
34. 05:08 PM - Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
35. 05:15 PM - Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 (Bill Cardell)
36. 05:32 PM - Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
37. 05:43 PM - Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
38. 05:48 PM - Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
39. 06:03 PM - Re: Spitfire (James Ferris)
40. 06:35 PM - Looking for someplace to go on Sat. Oct. 29th..... (JOHN STARN)
41. 06:46 PM - RV-List: Looking for someplace to go on Sat. Oct. 29th..... (JOHN STARN)
42. 07:08 PM - Re: Dimensions? (Carlos Sa)
43. 07:39 PM - Re: Dimensions? (Bill Steer)
44. 07:39 PM - Spitfire Mk VIII (Carlos Sa)
45. 07:43 PM - Re: RV-List: Looking for someplace to go on Sat. Oct. (Kevin Thorp)
46. 08:14 PM - Re: RV-List: Looking for someplace to go on Sat. Oct. 29th..... (Dan Ribb)
47. 08:25 PM - Re: 601 XL Question - weight & balance (Dr. Perry Morrison)
48. 08:31 PM - Sorry 'bout that (JOHN STARN)
49. 09:23 PM - Stratus Radiator Position (DICK WILBERS)
50. 10:00 PM - Re: RV-List: Looking for someplace to go on Sat. Oct. 29th..... (Gary Gower)
51. 10:33 PM - Re: Dimensions? (Michel Therrien)
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| Subject: | 912 prop selection |
2.32 DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 Date: is 12 to 24 hours after Received: date
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Thomas" <bvthomas@bigpond.com>
Hi Guys,
A little help please, I want to fit a Warp drive 3 blade ground adjustable prop
tp my 701 with a Rotax 912.
The question is what diameter 68", 70" or 72" is best. I know that a 68" gives
me 10inches ground clearance.
Thanks in advance
Bruce Thomas Aust.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel system parts / questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Interesting. I've been winding clockwise the last 40 years for the same
reason.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel system parts / questions
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk"
> <billn@velocity.net>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel system parts / questions
> All-
> Don't beat me for suggesting the use of Teflon tape! I used to build
> race cars+bikes and never had a problem. Why? You wrap the tape
> counter-clockwise for a right-hand thread. Any excess tape gets pushed
> away
> from, rather than into the fuel line, and it improves the seal.
> Works good on plain old plumbing, too.
> Bill
>> >
>> > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
Hmm..Well your not going to do that 'cus you can buy an ELT new for less
than that!
What a bunch of BS...Can you find the voltage on the battery
anywhere?...Then have a look at www.batteries.com and see if they have
something that looks like it.
For that matter buy any battery of the same voltage and duct tape the
thing on the outside of the Narco.
What's crazy is, that on Narco's web site, they have full details and instructions
on how to open the thing up and specific steps how to change the battery!
$200? I think not, for sure! I might be dumb, but Daddy didn't raise no
fool! I think a new, less upkeep model is in order for sure. Thanks to all who
responded on this topic. Gotta love this site and the members who so graciously
give their assistance! Thanks, again!!
Rick
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| Subject: | ELTs T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled |
version=3.0.3
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gray, Rand" <rand.gray@intel.com>
Actually the Ameri-King AK-450 listed in the first link takes D cells as
well. I have this model in my aircraft and just replaced the batteries
this year.
Regards,
Rand N601Q
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: ELTs T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled
version=3.0.3
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
<craig@craigandjean.com>
Heck, you can buy a new ELT for less than that:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ak450elt.php
If you (or anyone else) wants to avoid this trap in the future this ACK
ELT
takes D cells:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ack_tech.php
On the other hand if you are interested in the next generation of ELTs
you
can buy one of these for about $1000:
http://www.artex.net/me406.html
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beckman,
Rick
Subject: Zenith-List: ELTs
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick"
--> <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
Are any of you using the Narco 910 ELT? I just got off the
phone
with them and they want $210.00 to put in a new battery and certify it
for
two years. I find this a bit of legal robery, myself, but I guess if it
says
"airplane" on it anywhere, reach deep into your pockets! Has anyone used
a
different source for the batteries? The Narco ELT manual says that any
other battery may harm the unit. I don't always buy that ploy, but I
guess
it is possible. I would appreciate any and all valid responses to this
quagmire.
Thanks, Rick.
MWMW 729 msl and sinking
Zodie XL 52EB
www.sharbo.us/thebird
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| Subject: | Re: 701 aileron trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
Doug, I can't seem to find an aileron trim option for the 701 on Zenith's
web page. I note the elevator trim option only. Do you have a part # for the
aileron trim kit?
Regards,
Larry Wood
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
Kevin
Do you mean Nyloil which is the oil filled nylon used for the nose wheel
gear bearings, try the internet with this spelling.
Another product offered to me in the UK was Ertalon LFX which is cast
nylon 6 internally lubricated and developed for unlubricated, highly
loaded and slow moving parts. This is manufactured by Quadrant AG
www.quadrantplatics.com . May be available in US. Machines very well.
Malcolm
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eddie Seve
Subject: RE: Zenith-List:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Try the following link
http://www.grobetusa.com/ProductDescriptions/nyoil.html
Regards
Eddie Seve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinbonds
Subject: Zenith-List:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Hello All
I'm having trouble finding Nyoil. Does anyone have a supplier? Also is
this
stuff sometimes called Vekton? I can't find either at AS or Wicks.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds>
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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| Subject: | Re: 701 aileron trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
Personally I would not install an aileron trim. But if you wanted to
do such a thing, then I think the kit for the elevator would
work. You could mount the hinge on the wing outboard of the fuel
tank, not on the aileron. Not having flown much in a 701 (mine is
not complete yet), I don't know how stable the plane is in roll. If
there isn't enough stabilizing force, then a very small input from a
trim device might just start a slow roll. Then you would end up
constantly controlling the plane with the trim input rather than the
stick. I believe trim devices will only work along a relatively
stable axis. Otherwise you need an active device like an auto-pilot.
It would be best to hear from someone who as flown a 701 with aileron
trim on their plane.
I know these planes are called "Experimental", but I don't care to do
too much experimenting.
At 08:45 AM 10/19/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
>
>Doug, I can't seem to find an aileron trim option for the 701 on Zenith's
>web page. I note the elevator trim option only. Do you have a part
># for the
>aileron trim kit?
>
>Regards,
>Larry Wood
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 aileron trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
It seems to me that the logic used here indicates that elevator trim
would cause a slow loop.
Aileron trim is a new concept to me. I have flown many aircraft with
rudder trim which would seem to accomplish much of the same
purpose. The Zodiacs offer an aileron trim option which I am
installing on my XL. The design had a few flaws which were easily
corrected. The "Servo" and indicator used is the same as the elevator trim.
I don't see how aileron trim could hurt anything except the airplane
cost. If it turns out to not be very useful then it will just sit in
the neutral position and do nothing.
The issue mentioned most often when I asked about the need for
aileron trim has to do with the uneven fuel burn in low wing
aircraft. This would not seem to be a problem with the 701, but
maybe it would be useful for other issues too. One more issue
mentioned is making changes for passenger or no passenger.
Good luck,
Paul
XL wings (just finished aileron trim)
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At 08:50 AM 10/19/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
>
>Personally I would not install an aileron trim. But if you wanted to
>do such a thing, then I think the kit for the elevator would
>work. You could mount the hinge on the wing outboard of the fuel
>tank, not on the aileron. Not having flown much in a 701 (mine is
>not complete yet), I don't know how stable the plane is in roll. If
>there isn't enough stabilizing force, then a very small input from a
>trim device might just start a slow roll. Then you would end up
>constantly controlling the plane with the trim input rather than the
>stick. I believe trim devices will only work along a relatively
>stable axis. Otherwise you need an active device like an auto-pilot.
>
>It would be best to hear from someone who as flown a 701 with aileron
>trim on their plane.
>
>I know these planes are called "Experimental", but I don't care to do
>too much experimenting.
>
>At 08:45 AM 10/19/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
> >
> >Doug, I can't seem to find an aileron trim option for the 701 on Zenith's
> >web page. I note the elevator trim option only. Do you have a part
> ># for the
> >aileron trim kit?
> >
> >Regards,
> >Larry Wood
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rob Norris" <DryCreekRob@earthlink.net>
An update about the location:
Zenair Zodiac XL airframe kit, new in crate Jabiru 3300 engine, Jabiru Sport USA
firewall forward package with engine mount, cowl, Sensenich prop. Horizontal
stabilizer, elevator and rudder completed. Wings almost complete. Navigation
lights with strobe option installed. Firewall, fuselage started, about 10% complete.
Sigtronics intercom, clecos, pneumatic riveter, hand tools, lots of extras
like turnbuckles, nutplates, other fasteners from Aircraft Spruce included.
Located in Bend, Oregon. Asking price for all: $33,940.
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| Subject: | 601XL Brake Problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dear Thread Friends, anybody out there have significant noise such as
rattles, bopping and bumping from the brake calipers when taxiing? The noise stops
as
the brakes are applied, but returns as the pressure is released. I think I
put them together correctly, but as we have all seen, the brakes are sort of
poorly explained in the plans. The calipers move quite a bit with the pressure
off and can be moved, flip-flop, by hand. I wrote the Grove folks, but have not
heard from them yet. Anybody got a diagram that shows which bolts go where, I
would appreciate seeing it. Maybe I left out a couple washers or springs or
such, Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601XL-3300w/DC 19 Hours
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| Subject: | Re: 701 aileron trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Paul, you really need the aileron trim on the XL. The left side is a bit
heavier as I suppose intended to balance when you fly with a passenger. Course,
without the right side pax it will fly left wing heavy and if you want to fly
without roll pressure you need a trim. Also, as the tanks are used up the
balance is effected and the aileron trim makes flying easier. Do what you want,
but
I am really glad I installed it, Best Regards, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: 701 aileron trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
FWIW, I've had aileron trim on the Zodie since built and would not be
without it. Passenger vs. no passenger, fuel load, cross winds etc. So
much easier to set trim and not have to lean on the stick.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | Jab 3300 Carb Duct Hose Separator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dear Thread Friends, a couple weeks ago someone contributed a report about a
divider they had made and installed in their intake hose that improved EGT by
claming the air before entry into the carb. Can anybody direct me to that
message and was there any photos of what this thing looked like. If I remember
correctly there was something about bending it around a piece of cable ? Hope
to hear from someone, Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601XL,3300w/DC,
N505WP.....19 hours
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Dave,
Care to elaborate ?? (see >>> <<< )
Carlos
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--- Dave Austin <daveaustin2@sprint.ca> wrote:
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, >>>>>>>>> Spitfire Mk VIII <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | A6 Rivets in 601HD wing kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" <graham@601hd.com>
Many thanks to all who replied to my question about the A6 rivets that came
with my wing kit. I've just had a reply from Zenith saying that they are no
longer used.
Graham Kirby
601HD
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| Subject: | Oil leak on Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello list members.
I really need your input to a problem I have been having since I first
flew my Zenith 701 with a Rotax 912 UL engine. Engine has TT 260 hours.
The engine is leaking oil and I have replaced all O rings, replaced the
oil return tubes for the valve push rods, removed the oil pump and added
some liquid gasket on the outer rims as advised by Lockwood.
The O rings on the return tubes are new. Still there seems to be a leak
around them.
The oil system has been vented according to the manual, and the oil
pressure is around 4,7 psi when hot. Oil temps are normal.
Here comes the question: Can the oil cause this leak? I am using the Shell
Advance Ultra T4 which is a fully synthetic oil. Rotax did reccomend the
semi synthetic oil, but it is not available at this time.
I know that these synthetic oils are thinner than the regular or semi
synthetic oils, so could this be the reason the oil rings are not holding
oil with the oil pressure around 5 psi?
Hope you can help. I am about to give up on this engine.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
johann@gi.is
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| Subject: | Re: 701 aileron trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello Larry.
I would not worry about installing an aileron trim on your Zenith 701.
My plane is very stable in the roll axis and does not need any trim there.
I did intall the elevator trim, and highly reccomend that. Makes it much
easier to fly when you transfere the fuel from wings to header tank, and
if you have a pax on board.
Hope this helps,
Johann G.
Iceland.
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
>>
>>Doug, I can't seem to find an aileron trim option for the 701 on Zenith's
>>web page. I note the elevator trim option only. Do you have a part
>># for the
>>aileron trim kit?
>>
>>Regards,
>>Larry Wood
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Spitfire = much superior WW2 fighter than the P51 mustang (which stole
its Merlin engine from the Spitfire) and claimed itself as a wonderful
piece of American engineeering...OR.....
Tacky 1960s/70's British sports car that was slow and didn't
handle....also had the pants beaten off it by the MG Midget...Guess
which one I used to own?...:)
Frank
Hds 380 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Subject: Zenith-List: Spitfire
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Dave,
Care to elaborate ?? (see >>> <<< )
Carlos
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--- Dave Austin <daveaustin2@sprint.ca> wrote:
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, >>>>>>>>> Spitfire Mk VIII <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 10/19/2005 2:45:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com writes:
Can the oil cause this leak?
Johann,
You mention two possible sources for the oil leak.
The oil pump, oil under pressure.
The push rod return tubes, return oil under static conditions, crank case
pressure.
Try to narrow down the leak source. One way is to clean and dry the suspected
leak areas, spray them with spray can powder deodorant, or foot spray powder.
The powder coating will show up small leak areas. Easier to see, pinpoint the
source.
Be on the look out for leaks through pours castings, usually leaks under
pressure conditions.
Take it slow, at first try building up oil pressure by rotating the prop, not
by running the engine. The leak should show it self that way too.
And there could be leaks from both pressurized and static sources.
Don't give up.
Jerry
If you still suspect the oil being used, change it to try to eliminate it as
being the cause.
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| Subject: | Excellent Zodie XL for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
I just learned that the fellow who bought Art Mitchell's XL is now putting
it up for sale. He's finding it a bit of a handful compared to his powered
hang-gliders he's used to.
(especially confusing is the fact that when you want to go up you have to
pull not push, and likewise the rudder 'bar' works in reverse. This is
exactly why I was thinking that I should never bother flying any
ultra-lights that use this control mechanism. I'd just be hard-wired for
disaster!).
He's made a few changes to make the plane worthy under the new sport plane
rules, and I think he's added some electronic flight monitors/instruments
etc..
So, If anyone is interested in avoiding all the hassles of building -- let
me know and I'll pass on your coordinates to the owner. FWIW, he's based
near St. Louis. The airplane was constructed in Czeckoslovakia - excellent
workmanship. I'm assuming it is now registered in the USA under the sport
plane rules.
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello Jerry.
Thank you for the advice. I will try the powder method to try to pinpoint
the location. I have been using the pressure method as reccomended by
Rotax. Remove the return oil hose from the Oil tank.Pump the oil system
with pressure up to 1 bar and turn the prop by hand until the oil pressure
is up to normal. I did not find any leaks that way.
There seems to be no leak around the oil pump or oil filter, only from the
oil return tubes and back towards the firewall. The oil leaks onto the
engine mount plates on either sides, and the on the exhaust muffler. Nice
smell in the cockpit. %-(
Why would the crankcase build up pressure? The vent tube on the oil tank
should eliminate that ?????
What type of oil are you using?
Thank you,
Johann G.
Iceland.
johann@gi.is
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/19/2005 2:45:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
> owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com writes:
> Can the oil cause this leak?
>
> Johann,
>
> You mention two possible sources for the oil leak.
> The oil pump, oil under pressure.
> The push rod return tubes, return oil under static conditions, crank
> case
> pressure.
>
> Try to narrow down the leak source. One way is to clean and dry the
> suspected
> leak areas, spray them with spray can powder deodorant, or foot spray
> powder.
> The powder coating will show up small leak areas. Easier to see, pinpoint
> the
> source.
>
> Be on the look out for leaks through pours castings, usually leaks under
> pressure conditions.
>
> Take it slow, at first try building up oil pressure by rotating the prop,
> not
> by running the engine. The leak should show it self that way too.
>
> And there could be leaks from both pressurized and static sources.
>
> Don't give up.
>
> Jerry
>
> If you still suspect the oil being used, change it to try to eliminate it
> as
> being the cause.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jab 3300 Carb Duct Hose Separator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Ribb" <dan@danribb.com>
Try
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-get.cgi?Zenith-Archive.digest.vol-fc
Look for "EGT Balance issues with Jabiru 3300" on Oct 10th.
If you use IE, hit Ctrl+F (for find) and type in "egt balance" (no quotes)
and you'll be there.
Dan Ribb
Fresno, CA
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| Subject: | Excellent Zodie XL for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Hey Grant, you may find this funny, After 4 1/2 hrs I have just passed
my inspection and have received my registration. My 601 XL is now C-GOXL
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant
Corriveau
Subject: Zenith-List: Excellent Zodie XL for sale
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
I just learned that the fellow who bought Art Mitchell's XL is now
putting
it up for sale. He's finding it a bit of a handful compared to his
powered
hang-gliders he's used to.
(especially confusing is the fact that when you want to go up you have
to
pull not push, and likewise the rudder 'bar' works in reverse. This is
exactly why I was thinking that I should never bother flying any
ultra-lights that use this control mechanism. I'd just be hard-wired
for
disaster!).
He's made a few changes to make the plane worthy under the new sport
plane
rules, and I think he's added some electronic flight
monitors/instruments
etc..
So, If anyone is interested in avoiding all the hassles of building --
let
me know and I'll pass on your coordinates to the owner. FWIW, he's
based
near St. Louis. The airplane was constructed in Czeckoslovakia -
excellent
workmanship. I'm assuming it is now registered in the USA under the
sport
plane rules.
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
--
10/19/2005
--
10/19/2005
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Sorry, I do mean the oil impregnated Nylon that is used for bearings called
Nyoil. Also I bought some 1/8 inch "Nylon" from Aircraft Spruce (not sure
what grade) will this work for fairleads?
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hunt Malcolm
Subject: RE: Zenith-List:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm"
<Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
Kevin
Do you mean Nyloil which is the oil filled nylon used for the nose wheel
gear bearings, try the internet with this spelling.
Another product offered to me in the UK was Ertalon LFX which is cast
nylon 6 internally lubricated and developed for unlubricated, highly
loaded and slow moving parts. This is manufactured by Quadrant AG
www.quadrantplatics.com . May be available in US. Machines very well.
Malcolm
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| Subject: | Oil leak on Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Inverse crankcase pressure is what pushes the oil back to the tank. If you
pull one plug from each cylinder and crank the engine using the starter you
will build oil pressure very quickly but not crankcase pressure. Make
absolutely sure you are not overfilling the engine with oil. The location
of the oil tank is quite critical and it's very common for oil to siphon
back into the engine when you shut down. Running the engine for a minute
will insure all oil is pumped back to the oil tank so you can check the
level then to be sure. I run Mobil one XT4 full synthetic for motorcycles.
Why would the crankcase build up pressure? The vent tube on the oil tank
should eliminate that ?????
What type of oil are you using?
Thank you,
Johann G.
Iceland.
johann@gi.is
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| Subject: | Oil leak on Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello David.
The location of the oil tank is according to the reccomendation from
Zenair. No changes there. The oil pressure is close to the high limits,
4,5psi - 5psi.
Since you are using the full synthetic oil without any oil leak, it should
be safe to use it in my setup.
I did replace the piston rings when I reassembled the engine after a crank
adjustment. Could that cause an excess crankcase pressure which would
explane the thinner oil leaking through the O rings?
Just trying to find a reason for the problem before I do the powder test
tomorrow.
Regards,
Johann G.
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Inverse crankcase pressure is what pushes the oil back to the tank. If
> you
> pull one plug from each cylinder and crank the engine using the starter
> you
> will build oil pressure very quickly but not crankcase pressure. Make
> absolutely sure you are not overfilling the engine with oil. The location
> of the oil tank is quite critical and it's very common for oil to siphon
> back into the engine when you shut down. Running the engine for a minute
> will insure all oil is pumped back to the oil tank so you can check the
> level then to be sure. I run Mobil one XT4 full synthetic for
> motorcycles.
>
>
> Why would the crankcase build up pressure? The vent tube on the oil tank
> should eliminate that ?????
>
> What type of oil are you using?
>
> Thank you,
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
> johann@gi.is
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 XL Question - weight & balance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Thorp <kevin@medamation.com>
If you build a 601 XL plane with a light engine (such as the Rotax 912S)
does the plane tend to be a little tail-heavy with large passengers
and/or max baggage weight (assuming you're still within gross)?
For instance: 144 lbs fuel, 400 lbs crew, 50 lbs bags.
Kevin Thorp
Charleston, SC
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--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello list members.
Sorry for confusing you all with the oil pressure. It should be 4,5 to 5
bar pressure, not psi.
Johann G.
Iceland.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
I've used fully synthetic for 11 years with no bad effect.
The oil is returned from the crankcase to the tank by pressure in the
crankcase. Is the return line too small or kinked? Is the tank breather
clear? You may be building up too much press. in the crankcase.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Spainhower <n601xs@comcast.net>
I don't want to beat a dead horse, but.... this thread has been
discussed before and is in the archives.
Someone on a previous post mentioned that the Canadian version of the
FAA did not approve any
thread sealant on fuel system pipe threads. I don't know if that is a
fact but any Canadian builders would
do well to check the truth of that statement. Super Blue Permatex
form-a-gasket is what I use and
is the only sealant approved at the Power plants I work at for Oil and
Fuel systems (diesel generators
and fire pump). Fuel system problems turn more airplanes into gliders
than all other mechanical problems
combined. Do your own research and make an informed decision.
Craig S.
N601XS, 601XL 0-235 lyc, 90% done 90% to go, fuse at the paint shop
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| Subject: | Re: 701 aileron trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
Thanks, Johann. I already have elevator trim installed. I won't bother
looking at aileron trim.
Regards,
Larry Wood
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
Is there a way to check on the correctness of dimensions in an older series prints
w/o paying for a newer version? Specifically on a HD 6V10-1 aileron skin
does not look right after being bent up. Are the numbers still 236mm, 158mm,
and 78mm?
Aaron
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| Subject: | Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 10/19/2005 3:49:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com writes:
There seems to be no leak around the oil pump or oil filter, only from the
oil return tubes and back towards the firewall. The oil leaks onto the
engine mount plates on either sides, and the on the exhaust muffler. Nice
smell in the cockpit. %-(
Why would the crankcase build up pressure? The vent tube on the oil tank
should eliminate that ?????
What type of oil are you using?
Johann,
My 912ULS is not installed yet, I plan to use motorcycle oil as now
recommended here in the USA. Said to reduce foaming of the oil in the crank case.
Crank case pressure is the result of engine cylinder blowzy, and is the
pressure/airflow that keeps the engine oil sump almost free of residual oil as
the
engine is operated. Yes, it carries the oil and foam back to the oil tank,
then vents out and away through the vent line. Be sure that the vent line is not
the source of the leak that you describe. Vented as it is intended to be for
the 912 installation, the crank case pressure should be very low, but it is a
positive pressure nonetheless.
Since you are seeing oil residue on both sides of the engine, low and around
the steel mount plates, Re check to be sure the O rings for the push rod tubes
are the correct one's. If they are too hard they may not always seal the
tubes to the crankcase and heads. Were these seals changed recently? They do move
a bit as the engine heats up, and so have to stay seated to keep the seal, and
the oil from seeping a bit.
Is the leak such that it requires addition of oil after flight? Just how big
is it?
Has the oil leak been with the engine all along?
What has been changed/maintence that may have caused it?
Was it there when other oil was used? The oil foaming question.
Are the plugs and banjo fitting on the bottom of the crankcase secure and
sealed?
Keep looking. Sounds like push rod tube seals from your description. Re
examine the history of the tubes and seals closely.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 10/19/2005 3:49:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com writes:
. I have been using the pressure method as reccomended by
Rotax. Remove the return oil hose from the Oil tank.Pump the oil system
with pressure up to 1 bar and turn the prop by hand until the oil pressure
is up to normal. I did not find any leaks that way.
Johann,,
When doing the pressure method described above, was there any oil in the
engine?
Does the oil tank become pressurized?
Seems as it would have been mostly free of oil. Any leaks might be air leaks,
detected by using soapy water brushed or sprayed on. Was this part of the
recommended air pressure method?
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| Subject: | Oil leak on Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
If the ring seal is not good, you will build excessive crankcase
pressure, which will tend to find any gaskets or seals that are weak. I
would think a good crankcase ventilation system would avoid this,
though. I'm not familiar with the Rotax ventilation system.
Bill Cardell
TurboDog's Dad
Flyin' Miata
1-800-FLY-MX5S
www.flyinmiata.com
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Oil leak on Rotax 912
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello David.
The location of the oil tank is according to the reccomendation from
Zenair. No changes there. The oil pressure is close to the high limits,
4,5psi - 5psi.
Since you are using the full synthetic oil without any oil leak, it
should be safe to use it in my setup.
I did replace the piston rings when I reassembled the engine after a
crank adjustment. Could that cause an excess crankcase pressure which
would explane the thinner oil leaking through the O rings?
Just trying to find a reason for the problem before I do the powder test
tomorrow.
Regards,
Johann G.
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti"
> --> <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Inverse crankcase pressure is what pushes the oil back to the tank.
> If you pull one plug from each cylinder and crank the engine using the
> starter you will build oil pressure very quickly but not crankcase
> pressure. Make absolutely sure you are not overfilling the engine
> with oil. The location of the oil tank is quite critical and it's
> very common for oil to siphon back into the engine when you shut down.
> Running the engine for a minute will insure all oil is pumped back to
> the oil tank so you can check the level then to be sure. I run Mobil
> one XT4 full synthetic for motorcycles.
>
>
> Why would the crankcase build up pressure? The vent tube on the oil
> tank should eliminate that ?????
>
> What type of oil are you using?
>
> Thank you,
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
> johann@gi.is
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello Jerry,
The O rings and the push rods were bought last month from Lockwood and I
replaced them with the correct sealing compound according to Lockwood
mechanics.
The leak is such that I need to add oil after about 2-3 hours of flight.
Oil spreads under the engine and back to the firewall and under the
fuselage. Very messy.
Yes, the oil leak has been there since I installed the engine. It was
bought used with total of 250 hours. According to the previous owner, the
engine was in a Rans 6 which stalled shortly after airborne, and he had a
prop strike. The crankshaft was realingned by a professional repair shop
in Iceland, and I replaced the piston rings and the O rings and installed
the engine in my plane. Everything according to the Zenith manual and
Rotax installation procedure.
I have been using the two types of oil from day one, from Shell, the
Advance VSX 4 10W-40 and the Advance Ultra 4 10W-40.
There does not seem to be any leak around the plugs and banjo fitting on
the bottom of the crankcase. I will check that tomorrow with the powder
method.
Thank you again for all the help and suggestions.
I do really appreciate it.
Best regards,
Johann G.
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>
>
> Johann,
>
> My 912ULS is not installed yet, I plan to use motorcycle oil as now
> recommended here in the USA. Said to reduce foaming of the oil in the
> crank case.
>
> Crank case pressure is the result of engine cylinder blowzy, and is the
> pressure/airflow that keeps the engine oil sump almost free of residual
> oil as the
> engine is operated. Yes, it carries the oil and foam back to the oil tank,
> then vents out and away through the vent line. Be sure that the vent line
> is not
> the source of the leak that you describe. Vented as it is intended to be
> for
> the 912 installation, the crank case pressure should be very low, but it
> is a
> positive pressure nonetheless.
>
> Since you are seeing oil residue on both sides of the engine, low and
> around
> the steel mount plates, Re check to be sure the O rings for the push rod
> tubes
> are the correct one's. If they are too hard they may not always seal the
> tubes to the crankcase and heads. Were these seals changed recently? They
> do move
> a bit as the engine heats up, and so have to stay seated to keep the seal,
> and
> the oil from seeping a bit.
>
> Is the leak such that it requires addition of oil after flight? Just how
> big
> is it?
>
> Has the oil leak been with the engine all along?
>
> What has been changed/maintence that may have caused it?
>
> Was it there when other oil was used? The oil foaming question.
>
> Are the plugs and banjo fitting on the bottom of the crankcase secure and
> sealed?
>
> Keep looking. Sounds like push rod tube seals from your description. Re
> examine the history of the tubes and seals closely.
>
> Jerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil leak on Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Jerry,
The method is done with oil in the tank filled to the top mark on the dip
stick.
Your question is very interesting.
Since the oil return line is disconnected from the tank, I would assume
that the oil is pressed into the crankcase with the pressureized oil tank.
But I am not sure.
Oil tank is pressurized up to 1 bar.
The procedure did call for checking for oil leaks from the engine, so I
would guess it should be pressed out from any cracks or leaky o rings.
This method is in the service instructions SI-04-1997. on this homepage,
http://www.kodiakbs.com/sdintro.htm
Thanks again,
Johann G.
>
> In a message dated 10/19/2005 3:49:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
> owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com writes:
> . I have been using the pressure method as reccomended by
> Rotax. Remove the return oil hose from the Oil tank.Pump the oil system
> with pressure up to 1 bar and turn the prop by hand until the oil pressure
> is up to normal. I did not find any leaks that way.
>
> Johann,,
>
> When doing the pressure method described above, was there any oil in the
> engine?
>
> Does the oil tank become pressurized?
>
> Seems as it would have been mostly free of oil. Any leaks might be air
> leaks,
> detected by using soapy water brushed or sprayed on. Was this part of the
> recommended air pressure method?
>
>
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| Subject: | Oil leak on Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello Bill.
The rings are new and the cylinders were "honed" prior to the
installation, so I would guess the seal is good on the rings. I have
removed all the cylinders and checked the rings on all pistons, and
everything looks good, with the correct position of the rings.
But I do not know for sure. Everything is according to the Rotax manual.
Thank you for the help.
Johann G.
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
>
> If the ring seal is not good, you will build excessive crankcase
> pressure, which will tend to find any gaskets or seals that are weak. I
> would think a good crankcase ventilation system would avoid this,
> though. I'm not familiar with the Rotax ventilation system.
>
>
> Bill Cardell
> TurboDog's Dad
> Flyin' Miata
> 1-800-FLY-MX5S
> www.flyinmiata.com
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
>
>
> Hello David.
>
> The location of the oil tank is according to the reccomendation from
> Zenair. No changes there. The oil pressure is close to the high limits,
> 4,5psi - 5psi.
> Since you are using the full synthetic oil without any oil leak, it
> should be safe to use it in my setup.
> I did replace the piston rings when I reassembled the engine after a
> crank adjustment. Could that cause an excess crankcase pressure which
> would explane the thinner oil leaking through the O rings?
>
> Just trying to find a reason for the problem before I do the powder test
> tomorrow.
>
> Regards,
> Johann G.
> do not archive
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti"
>> --> <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Inverse crankcase pressure is what pushes the oil back to the tank.
>> If you pull one plug from each cylinder and crank the engine using the
>
>> starter you will build oil pressure very quickly but not crankcase
>> pressure. Make absolutely sure you are not overfilling the engine
>> with oil. The location of the oil tank is quite critical and it's
>> very common for oil to siphon back into the engine when you shut down.
>
>> Running the engine for a minute will insure all oil is pumped back to
>> the oil tank so you can check the level then to be sure. I run Mobil
>> one XT4 full synthetic for motorcycles.
>>
>>
>> Why would the crankcase build up pressure? The vent tube on the oil
>> tank should eliminate that ?????
>>
>> What type of oil are you using?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Johann G.
>> Iceland.
>> johann@gi.is
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
Spitfire very short range but best for defending
Lundon, but P-51 long range to escort bombers much
better than Spitfire.
Jim
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank
> George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Spitfire = much superior WW2 fighter than the P51
> mustang (which stole
> its Merlin engine from the Spitfire) and claimed
> itself as a wonderful
> piece of American engineeering...OR.....
>
> Tacky 1960s/70's British sports car that was slow
> and didn't
> handle....also had the pants beaten off it by the MG
> Midget...Guess
> which one I used to own?...:)
>
> Frank
>
> Hds 380 hours
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Carlos Sa
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Spitfire
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa
> <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> Care to elaborate ?? (see >>> <<< )
>
> Carlos
>
> do not archive
>
> --- Dave Austin <daveaustin2@sprint.ca> wrote:
>
> > Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, >>>>>>>>> Spitfire Mk
> VIII <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Looking for someplace to go on Sat. Oct. 29th..... |
"rocket-list" <rocket-list@matronics.com>,
INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0036 1.0000 -4.4384;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0036 1.0000 -4.4384
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Apple Valley Airport (APV) will be holding an Open House on Saturday Oct
29th from 9am-3pm. There will be aircraft & cars on display. Just like last
year there will be a free breakfast for those flying in and/or displaying
and "People Choice" trophies will be awarded. Fly Bys and formation approach
to landing are encouraged but are at pilots discretion. There will NOT be an
AirBoss for flights but where will be ground parking control at the normal
APV Unicom 122.8. KABONG
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| Subject: | RV-List: Looking for someplace to go on Sat. Oct. 29th..... |
"rocket-list" <rocket-list@matronics.com>,
"INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0036 1.0000 -4.4384" <zenith-list@matronics.com>,
"IMB Recipient 1" <mspop3connector.Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Apple Valley Airport (APV) will be holding an Open House on Saturday Oct
29th from 9am-3pm. There will be aircraft & cars on display. Just like last
year there will be a free breakfast for those flying in and/or displaying
and "People Choice" trophies will be awarded. Fly Bys and formation approach
to landing are encouraged but are at pilots discretion. There will NOT be an
AirBoss for flights but where will be ground parking control at the normal
APV Unicom 122.8. KABONG
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Aaron, dl is 485, first bend 20mm, second 72 mm, third 158 mm.
CH601-HD, drawings 5th edition, first print, dated 09/03
Send me a note off-line and I'll send you a drawing. I may be misinterpreting your
numbers.
Carlos
--- Aaron <agustafson@chartermi.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
>
> Is there a way to check on the correctness of dimensions in an older series prints
w/o paying
> for a newer version? Specifically on a HD 6V10-1 aileron skin does not look
right after being
> bent up. Are the numbers still 236mm, 158mm, and 78mm?
> Aaron
>
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
My copy of the CAD drawings, 4th edition, dated 04/01, show those dimensions
as 222, 160 and 72 mm.
Bill
> Is there a way to check on the correctness of dimensions in an older
series prints w/o paying for a newer version? Specifically on a HD 6V10-1
aileron skin does not look right after being bent up. Are the numbers still
236mm, 158mm, and 78mm?
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| Subject: | Spitfire Mk VIII |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
If you were curious as to why Dave signs this way (see below), take a look at these
pictures:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/c.sa/Spit_inflight_7.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/c.sa/Spit_Dave_70205_taxi.jpg
Dave says:
"It is the Supermarine Aircraft kit from Brisbane Australia. I've used the Walter
LOM 250 HP
in-line six engine."
Cool!
but do not archive
--- Dave Austin <daveaustin2@sprint.ca> wrote:
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Looking for someplace to go on Sat. Oct. |
29th.....
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Thorp <kevin@medamation.com>
Where is Apple Valley Airport?
Do no archive
JOHN STARN wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
>Apple Valley Airport (APV) will be holding an Open House on Saturday Oct
>29th from 9am-3pm. There will be aircraft & cars on display. Just like last
>year there will be a free breakfast for those flying in and/or displaying
>and "People Choice" trophies will be awarded. Fly Bys and formation approach
>to landing are encouraged but are at pilots discretion. There will NOT be an
>AirBoss for flights but where will be ground parking control at the normal
>APV Unicom 122.8. KABONG
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Looking for someplace to go on Sat. Oct. 29th..... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Ribb" <dan@danribb.com>
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KAPV
> Where is Apple Valley Airport?
Do no archive
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Question - weight & balance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison" <perrymorrison@yahoo.com>
Building it with the LE tanks make the a/c very capable in terms of c of g. In
most
configs you will reach gross weight well before there is any kind of cg issue.
And the tanks are the only practical fuel set up IMHO.
Kevin Thorp <kevin@medamation.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Thorp
If you build a 601 XL plane with a light engine (such as the Rotax 912S)
does the plane tend to be a little tail-heavy with large passengers
and/or max baggage weight (assuming you're still within gross)?
For instance: 144 lbs fuel, 400 lbs crew, 50 lbs bags.
Kevin Thorp
Charleston, SC
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Morrison Associates Pty Ltd
0408892638
perrymorrison@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Sorry 'bout that |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Airport / FBO Information
KAPV APPLE VALLEY APPLE VALLEY CA Time Zone:
PT
Lat: N 3434.5 Long: W 11711.2 Elev: 3062 Var: -14
Longest Runway: 6498
CTAF: 122.8
APV express map print save email
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| Subject: | Stratus Radiator Position |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "DICK WILBERS" <RWILBERS@TAMPABAY.RR.COM>
Dear Listers:
I seem to remember that some 601 HDS guys moved their radiators for the Stratus
engine back on the belly, on the right side if I remember correctly, and lowered
the entry end of the radiator 2 or 3 inches.
If my memory is correct, I have a couple of questions to ask. Did this improve
cooling properties? Was the added drag of lowering the radiator entry detrimental?
Your replies will be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.....................................................Dick Wilbers
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Looking for someplace to go on Sat. Oct. 29th..... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KAPV
Missed the fly in, I was in LA last week...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Kevin Thorp <kevin@medamation.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Thorp
Where is Apple Valley Airport?
Do no archive
JOHN STARN wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN"
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN"
>
>Apple Valley Airport (APV) will be holding an Open House on Saturday Oct
>29th from 9am-3pm. There will be aircraft & cars on display. Just like last
>year there will be a free breakfast for those flying in and/or displaying
>and "People Choice" trophies will be awarded. Fly Bys and formation approach
>to landing are encouraged but are at pilots discretion. There will NOT be an
>AirBoss for flights but where will be ground parking control at the normal
>APV Unicom 122.8. KABONG
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Aaron,
I've built an HD from plans with the old plans.
Dimensions, especially skin dimensions are not always
right. I learned to cut the pieces oversize, assemble
and then to cut them to final size by fit, not by
mesurements.
For the ailerons, I did not have difficulties. I made
the ribs as per the plans. Then I bent the skins,
bending test pieces first until I got a shape that fit
the ribs.
Michel
--- Aaron <agustafson@chartermi.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron"
> <agustafson@chartermi.net>
>
> Is there a way to check on the correctness of
> dimensions in an older series prints w/o paying for
> a newer version? Specifically on a HD 6V10-1
> aileron skin does not look right after being bent
> up. Are the numbers still 236mm, 158mm, and 78mm?
> Aaron
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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