---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/20/05: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:29 AM - Re: 912 Prop Selection (Dan & Paula Yeast) 2. 05:49 AM - Psuedo wind tunnel testing - 701 wing tips... (Bima, Martin) 3. 07:08 AM - Re: Psuedo wind tunnel testing - 701 wing tips... (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 4. 07:30 AM - Re: Spitfire Mk VIII (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 5. 08:10 AM - Re: Wind tunnel (Zed Smith) 6. 08:16 AM - Re: Riveted Gas Tanks (Steve Russell) 7. 08:22 AM - Re: RV-List: Looking for someplace to go on Sat. Oct. 29th..... (Weston, Jim) 8. 08:45 AM - 601XL Brake Problem (Lance Gingell) 9. 09:05 AM - Re: Riveted Gas Tanks (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 10. 10:32 AM - Re: 601XL aileron trim required? (was 701) (N5SL) 11. 10:36 AM - Re: 601XL Aileron Trim (was 701 aileron trim) (N5SL) 12. 10:48 AM - Re: 601XL Brake Problem (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 13. 10:51 AM - Recent Jabiru 3300 purchase (Edward Moody II) 14. 10:52 AM - Re: Riveted Gas Tanks (Graham Kirby) 15. 11:51 AM - Re: 601XL aileron trim required? (was 701) (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 16. 12:16 PM - Re: Riveted Gas Tanks (jnbolding1) 17. 12:46 PM - Re: Riveted Gas Tanks (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 18. 01:29 PM - Re: Recent Jabiru 3300 purchase (Craig Payne) 19. 04:35 PM - 601XL Brake Problems (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 20. 06:22 PM - Re: aileron hinge conversion (Clyde Barcus) 21. 07:10 PM - Re: Excellent Zodie XL for sale (Dave & Darlene) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:35 AM PST US From: "Dan & Paula Yeast" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: 912 Prop Selection --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan & Paula Yeast" Bruce, I have the 70" Warp drive on my 701 using the Rotax 912S and I also tried the 68". The 70" gives me a little stronger climbout, but the 68" worked satisfactorily as well. I could find no appreciable difference in the cruise. Both provided a solid 95 mph cruise at 5,000 RPM. I have the 68" for sale if you are interested, it has 10 hours on it and is like new. You can contact me off list. I am getting ready to do my first annual at 190 hours. Dan Yeast Frankfort, KY N987PD DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:01 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Psuedo wind tunnel testing - 701 wing tips... From: "Bima, Martin" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" FIRST - I have nothing but the highest respect for the father of these wonderful planes. SECOND - There are well over a thousand of these aircraft happily flying around the world. THIRD - Build to plans and use the manual and you will have a fine aircraft. FOURTH - The following is for experimental/design type people with open minds. A handful of builders are involved in a light debate on changing the top skin of the wing tips. Currently (and I think this goes for the 601 as well), the top skin on the wing tip is cut inboard towards the trailing edge to make a constant 45 degree Hoerner wing tip. This design has worked for thousands of airplanes - 170's and other production aircraft. A number of newer aircraft (American Champion Explorer for one) and a number of modifications (New tips Cubbies) are using a squared top skin cut. This produces a changing Hoerner cut from 45 degrees at the spar to about 60-80 degrees at the rear spar to flat at the trailing edge. I made a 701 wing model, got some smoke, and disconnected my welding/painting exhaust fan to very crudely test what is happening to the airflow around each example. PICTURES can be found at www.mts.net/~embima on the Airframe page. What the video shows (and what the pictures show) is that the airflow likes to stick to surfaces. The first few pictures show the variable cut (modified Hoerner tip) and the airflow going straight back and following the top skin. In the case of the original design wing (constant 45 degree Hoerner) the air flow follows the top skin inward. My initial take on this is that if the wing forces the air to change direction and follow the top skin inward, there must be an equal and opposite reaction and the air is pulling the wing outward - also equal and opposite on both tips. THE BIG QUESTION - Does this translate to a reduction in efficiency? The latest wing tips trend toward a Hoerner tip at the spar and an almost flat tip at the trailing edge. PLEASE forward your questions/comments to stolvair@mts.net and I will post the good ones on the page. Thanks Martin Bima Winnipeg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:54 AM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Psuedo wind tunnel testing - 701 wing tips... --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net It looks like you are moving air over your model by drawing air into a suction hose at the trailing edge. One problem with this method is that the hose will draw air from all directions around the opening so the air flow into the hose will not form parallel stream lines over the wing model. The air will be converging towards the inlet of the hose as it approaches the wing. This will affect the accuracy of your results. If the air is being pushed outward near the leading edge of the wing, it seems to me that it must move back inward somewhere else. It will either follow the curve towards the trailing edge on the Horner or it will move back more abruptly after it falls off the trailing edge of the modified tip. The modified wing tip may or may not be slightly more efficient than the Horner tip but it will be more complicated to build and with a plane like the 701, the resulting gain is likely to be insignificant. Maybe the small gain is worth the extra effort and maybe not. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" > > > A handful of builders are involved in a light debate on changing the top > skin of the wing tips. > > > I made a 701 wing model, got some smoke, and disconnected my > welding/painting exhaust fan to very crudely test what is happening to > the airflow around each example. > > > > Thanks > > > Martin Bima > Winnipeg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Spitfire Mk VIII From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Oh man that is just pure s*x!....Mamma! The 250HP LOM wow that must move and of course the engine is the right shape too....Just upside down...:) Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa Subject: Zenith-List: Spitfire Mk VIII --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa If you were curious as to why Dave signs this way (see below), take a look at these pictures: http://www3.sympatico.ca/c.sa/Spit_inflight_7.jpg http://www3.sympatico.ca/c.sa/Spit_Dave_70205_taxi.jpg Dave says: "It is the Supermarine Aircraft kit from Brisbane Australia. I've used the Walter LOM 250 HP in-line six engine." Cool! but do not archive --- Dave Austin wrote: > Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:19 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wind tunnel --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Results may be suspect unless you use Calibrated Smoke. do not archive Zed/701/R912/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:55 AM PST US From: "Steve Russell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Riveted Gas Tanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Russell" Gary, I'm attempting building the tanks with small squeezed rivets. I bought pro seal from the Van's web site. I'm using .o32 5052 aluminum. Hopefully in the next two weeks I'll have the first one completed and a leak test performed. Steve Russell Plans 701 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ROBERT SCEPPA >--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > >> Gary, some years ago I built a tank made from 5052 >> aluminum and I used soft rivets to hold it together >> and then had it heliarc welded. Work out fine. >> Bob Scepppa > > >--- "Gary A. Boothe" wrote: > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" >> >> >> Listers, >> >> I am considering building my metal fuel tanks using >> the flanged, riveted method as described on the EAA >> Homebuilders site. Anyone have some insights on >> that? Obviously, I am aware of some of the benefits >> of welded joints, so I would like to focus on the >> successful applications of rivets and sealers. >> >> Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca >> >> 601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete >> Tail Group - complete. Working on Wings... >> >> >> >> browse >> Subscriptions page, >> FAQ, >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:42 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RV-List: Looking for someplace to go on Sat. Oct. 29th..... From: "Weston, Jim" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" It's neat to see the stuff about Apple Valley Airport. I used to fly out of there, working on a commercial rating, when I was stationed at George Air Force Base (now closed). I'm going to date myself, but Norm Goyer (who now edits the Custom Planes magazine) was the airport manager. I had some real interesting flying experiences from that airport. I'll have to try to remember the fly-in next year, and see if I can plan a vacation trip around that time. Thanks, Jim Weston CH601HDS Concord, Ga. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RV-List: Looking for someplace to go on Sat. Oct. 29th..... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower http://www.airnav.com/airport/KAPV Missed the fly in, I was in LA last week... Saludos Gary Gower. Kevin Thorp wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Thorp Where is Apple Valley Airport? Do no archive JOHN STARN wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" > >--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" > >Apple Valley Airport (APV) will be holding an Open House on Saturday >Oct 29th from 9am-3pm. There will be aircraft & cars on display. Just >like last year there will be a free breakfast for those flying in >and/or displaying and "People Choice" trophies will be awarded. Fly Bys >and formation approach to landing are encouraged but are at pilots >discretion. There will NOT be an AirBoss for flights but where will be >ground parking control at the normal APV Unicom 122.8. KABONG > > > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:43 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Brake Problem From: "Lance Gingell" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" Bill, My XL brakes are exactly the same. They rattle unless you apply them. Cheers, ..lance XL/3300 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:43 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Riveted Gas Tanks From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" They call Proseal "the black Death" here in RV building circles. If you havent used it before make sure you scuff the aluminium good, degrease with acetone, have plenty of gloves and popsicle sticks and be prepared to work fairly swiftley as it will set up pretty quick. As you can imagine just about everything gets covered and eventually my gloves came off and it took weeks to get it off my hands. Works good though! Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Riveted Gas Tanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Russell" Gary, I'm attempting building the tanks with small squeezed rivets. I bought pro seal from the Van's web site. I'm using .o32 5052 aluminum. Hopefully in the next two weeks I'll have the first one completed and a leak test performed. Steve Russell Plans 701 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ROBERT SCEPPA >--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > >> Gary, some years ago I built a tank made from 5052 aluminum and I >> used soft rivets to hold it together and then had it heliarc welded. >> Work out fine. >> Bob Scepppa > > >--- "Gary A. Boothe" wrote: > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" >> >> >> Listers, >> >> I am considering building my metal fuel tanks using the flanged, >> riveted method as described on the EAA Homebuilders site. Anyone have >> some insights on that? Obviously, I am aware of some of the benefits >> of welded joints, so I would like to focus on the successful >> applications of rivets and sealers. >> >> Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca >> >> 601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete Tail Group - complete. Working >> on Wings... >> >> >> >> browse >> Subscriptions page, >> FAQ, >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:35 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL aileron trim required? (was 701) --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Hi guys: Can anyone make this same claim with a flying 601XL (see Dave's comments below)? Anyone leave off the aileron trim on an XL and regret it? Thanks, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com slowly filling up my panel and firewall DO NOT ARCHIVE Dave Austin wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" FWIW, I've had aileron trim on the Zodie since built and would not be without it. Passenger vs. no passenger, fuel load, cross winds etc. So much easier to set trim and not have to lean on the stick. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:23 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Aileron Trim (was 701 aileron trim) --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Thanks Bill. I just found your message. I'll go ahead and install the wire in the wing and order the servo and linkage. Scott Laughlin DO NOT ARCHIVE JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Paul, you really need the aileron trim on the XL. The left side is a bit heavier as I suppose intended to balance when you fly with a passenger. Course, without the right side pax it will fly left wing heavy and if you want to fly without roll pressure you need a trim. Also, as the tanks are used up the balance is effected and the aileron trim makes flying easier. Do what you want, but I am really glad I installed it, Best Regards, Bill --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:43 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Brake Problem --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Lance, thanks, but do you think they are supposed to rattle and bump ? I have disc brakes on my other vehicles and they don't rattle so maybe we got dud brakes ? Still have not heard from Mr. Grove, best regards, Bill ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:28 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Zenith-List: Recent Jabiru 3300 purchase --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" Hey Pete, I may buy a Jabiru 3300 that was purchased from you sometime during the last year and shipped to a felllow in Bend, Oregon. I don't know his name because unfortunately I'm not able to deal with him directly.... he is dead. Two of his friends are trying to sell the deceased fellow's Zenith Zodiac 601XL kit partially completed and the Jabiru 3300 still in the crate on behalf of the widow. It may be too much trouble to work out due to the great distance between me here in Louisiana and the kit in Bend, Oregon but we're giving it a try. Can you help me out by looking up a sale of the 3300 engine shipped to Bend, Oregon sometime in the past several months or is that impossible? I don't need any personnal info that would violate anyone's privacy. I just want to know if the engine has the carby econo tuning kit installed and any other tech data and product info that might be useful regarding that particular engine. Such as, could I get any warranty extention on it and how would we go about doing so? I think the engine was purchased as part of the Zodiac 601XL FWF package that you sell. The friends helping sell the kit for their buddy's widow are not privy to many of the fine details and I can't just traipse off to Oregon without knowing what I'm likely to be buying. Thaks for any help you can offer, Ed Moody II ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:20 AM PST US From: "Graham Kirby" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Riveted Gas Tanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" MEK removes it without any problem, even when it is cured. Fingers crossed that MEK doesn't become Californias next magic fuel additive! By the way, it should be called the "dark grey death". If it's black you're using too much of the accelerator :-) Graham 601HD -----Original Message----- --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> RE: They call Proseal "the black Death" here in RV building circles. .... it took weeks to get it off my hands. Frank ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:33 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL aileron trim required? (was 701) --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Scott, I played hooky from work this morning and went flying a couple hours and I certainly used both my trims to fly straight and level. Maybe on a heavier plane or one that is just more docile than a XL you could get by without aileron trim tab. Course, if you don't want to fly comfortably leave it off and save a couple hundred $, Bill ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:21 PM PST US From: "jnbolding1" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Riveted Gas Tanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" >MEK removes it without any problem, even when it is cured. Fingers crossed >that MEK doesn't become Californias next magic fuel additive! > >By the way, it should be called the "dark grey death". If it's black you're >using too much of the accelerator :-) > >Graham > > >RE: They call Proseal "the black Death" here in RV building circles. > >.... it took weeks to get it off my hands. > >Frank I think the stuff is structural, disassembled a couple tanks I had in the shop for repairs and it would tear the alum before peeling off, tenacious stuff, you won't leave fingerprints for weeks as it fills up the cracks, you have to wear it off.. I heard that the patents ran out recently on the stuff and a couple more folks are marketing it, at prices a LOT lower, can anyone confirm?? LOW&SLOW John ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:53 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Riveted Gas Tanks From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" The stuff I got from Vam's said "fleameseal" on it or somesuch...Definatly was not "Proseal" Oh by the way if you buy the 6 OZ pack it comes as a big syringe that you have to insert the plungere and stir.It was WAAY to think to do this though so I tried using an vary speed battery drill and it ripped the plunger off...Great start! My advice....Either buy it in the can or squeeze the contents of the tube out and mix it by hand which is what I ended up doing anyway. It sure does seal up good I had no leaks after putting my flop tubes in. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jnbolding1 Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Riveted Gas Tanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" --> >MEK removes it without any problem, even when it is cured. Fingers >crossed that MEK doesn't become Californias next magic fuel additive! > >By the way, it should be called the "dark grey death". If it's black >you're using too much of the accelerator :-) > >Graham > > >RE: They call Proseal "the black Death" here in RV building circles. > >.... it took weeks to get it off my hands. > >Frank I think the stuff is structural, disassembled a couple tanks I had in the shop for repairs and it would tear the alum before peeling off, tenacious stuff, you won't leave fingerprints for weeks as it fills up the cracks, you have to wear it off.. I heard that the patents ran out recently on the stuff and a couple more folks are marketing it, at prices a LOT lower, can anyone confirm?? LOW&SLOW John ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:06 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Received-SPF: none (mgr1.xmission.com: 166.70.39.121 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of craigandjean.com) client-ip=166.70.39.121; envelope-from=craig@craigandjean.com; helo=TheTCCraig; Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Recent Jabiru 3300 purchase T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Maybe you could find a Zodiac builder in or near Bend on the list or in the Zenith builders database to do some legwork for you? -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Edward Moody II Subject: Zenith-List: Recent Jabiru 3300 purchase --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" Hey Pete, I may buy a Jabiru 3300 that was purchased from you sometime during the last year and shipped to a felllow in Bend, Oregon. I don't know his name because unfortunately I'm not able to deal with him directly.... he is dead. Two of his friends are trying to sell the deceased fellow's Zenith Zodiac 601XL kit partially completed and the Jabiru 3300 still in the crate on behalf of the widow. It may be too much trouble to work out due to the great distance between me here in Louisiana and the kit in Bend, Oregon but we're giving it a try. Can you help me out by looking up a sale of the 3300 engine shipped to Bend, Oregon sometime in the past several months or is that impossible? I don't need any personnal info that would violate anyone's privacy. I just want to know if the engine has the carby econo tuning kit installed and any other tech data and product info that might be useful regarding that particular engine. Such as, could I get any warranty extention on it and how would we go about doing so? I think the engine was purchased as part of the Zodiac 601XL FWF package that you sell. The friends helping sell the kit for their buddy's widow are not privy to many of the fine details and I can't just traipse off to Oregon without knowing what I'm likely to be buying. Thaks for any help you can offer, Ed Moody II ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:37 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Brake Problems --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Lance and other Thread Friends, on the brakes making a ton of noise I finally spoke with a tech support fellow from Grove, named Robbie, nice guy. After going over the particulars he concluded that the problem was most likely in the master cylinders. Especially because the noise returned immediately after letting up on the peddle pressure. He had two suggestions: First, see if the vent holes at the top of the puck are open (or even there) as air is supposed to come in above the fluid in the puck and without a vent hole of some type the system will not relax. Second, check to see if the push rod from the master cylinders travels all the way up as it is supposed to open a release valve that will allow the calipers to remain near the disc so rattle is none existent or minimal. Have not checked either solution yet, but will tomorrow and I will report, best regards, Bill ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:52 PM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: aileron hinge conversion --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" I discussed this with Chris Heinz at Sun-N-Fun and he said "No Problem". I used .025 angle on the underside of the flange, the hinge supplied by ZAC goes between the skin and. the angle and I trimmed the skin back to the same measurement as the hinge type. You will have another row of rivets on top, the conversion takes an hour or two. Regards: Clyde Barcus 601XL Corvair Powered ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron dewees" Subject: Zenith-List: aileron hinge conversion > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees > > Hi listers, > My 601 HDS is down for some maintenance at the time and I have been > giving some thought to converting from hingeless to hinged ailerons. > Don't get me wrong, I have no particular complaint with the hingeless > aileron and think it will last into the next century. I do think it's > stiffer than a hinged aileron and that my ailreon trim is almost useless > because it tries to work against the friction of the wing skin rather > than hinges like the elevator uses. > For anyone who has converted from hingeless to hinged, what has been > your experience, was it worth it, and what kind of piano hinge did you > use. It looks like you need a wide hinge to reach the two rivet lines > and even then, will need a third rivet line to secure the overlapping > edges of the old aileron skin. > Pictures or comments would be very welcome. > Thanks > Ron 601HDS > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:58 PM PST US From: "Dave & Darlene" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Excellent Zodie XL for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" Good going Mark. Probably glad to see that part come and gone. Dave Alberta DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Excellent Zodie XL for sale > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" > > Hey Grant, you may find this funny, After 4 1/2 hrs I have just passed > my inspection and have received my registration. My 601 XL is now C-GOXL > > > Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario > Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL > President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter > www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com > do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant > Corriveau > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Excellent Zodie XL for sale > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > > I just learned that the fellow who bought Art Mitchell's XL is now > putting > it up for sale. He's finding it a bit of a handful compared to his > powered > hang-gliders he's used to. > > (especially confusing is the fact that when you want to go up you have > to > pull not push, and likewise the rudder 'bar' works in reverse. This is > exactly why I was thinking that I should never bother flying any > ultra-lights that use this control mechanism. I'd just be hard-wired > for > disaster!). > > He's made a few changes to make the plane worthy under the new sport > plane > rules, and I think he's added some electronic flight > monitors/instruments > etc.. > > So, If anyone is interested in avoiding all the hassles of building -- > let > me know and I'll pass on your coordinates to the owner. FWIW, he's > based > near St. Louis. The airplane was constructed in Czeckoslovakia - > excellent > workmanship. I'm assuming it is now registered in the USA under the > sport > plane rules. > > -- > Grant Corriveau > C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 > > > -- > 10/19/2005 > > > -- > 10/19/2005 > > > > > > >