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1. 05:32 AM - Re: Kit Builder Forever. (Monty Graves)
2. 08:44 AM - Re: Kit Builder Forever / flanging the lightening holes (Carlos Sa)
3. 09:33 AM - Re: Kit Builder Forever. (Samm Munn)
4. 09:43 AM - Rotax 912 oil leak solved. (Johann G.)
5. 09:46 AM - Re: Kit Builder Forever / flanging the lightening holes (Randy L. Thwing)
6. 10:46 AM - Re: Kit Builder Forever / flanging the lightening holes (Carlos Sa)
7. 11:02 AM - Re: Rotax 912 oil leak solved. (Tebenkof@aol.com)
8. 11:26 AM - Re: Rudder camera (Brandon Tucker)
9. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: Rudder camera (Carlos Sa)
10. 12:14 PM - Re: Rotax 912 oil leak solved. (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
11. 01:13 PM - Re: Rotax 912 oil leak solved. (RURUNY@aol.com)
12. 01:24 PM - Re: Rudder Camera (Carl Bertrand)
13. 01:24 PM - Re: 912 prop selection (Carl Bertrand)
14. 01:24 PM - Re: 701 aileron trim (Carl Bertrand)
15. 02:17 PM - Re: Kit Builder Forever. (William J. Naumuk)
16. 03:14 PM - weight and balance (PASSPAT@aol.com)
17. 03:15 PM - Re: Rudder Camera (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
18. 03:49 PM - corvair engine (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
19. 07:06 PM - Re: Rudder Camera (Trell & Amy Hall)
20. 07:43 PM - fuel pump (Doug Mattson)
21. 09:00 PM - [ Charles F. Long ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
22. 10:43 PM - Re: Rotax 912 oil leak solved. (NYTerminat@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Builder Forever. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Your welcome but ...........:-)
It is Chris Boultinghouse web page and plane.
http://members.tripod.com/zodiacbuilder/ribforming.htm
I just provided a link. Chris worked at the Zenith factory in Mexico MO
for awhile, and contributed to this list when he was building the 601. He
sold it and he left this portion of his web page up to help Zenith scratch
builders.
http://members.tripod.com/zodiacbuilder/
The tool Chris shows pictured. A commercial verison is already available
for sale as mentioned in a previous post from AS & S for less than $25
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/holeflangtool.php
He is building a Sonex now. Or he appears to have sold that as well.........
http://sonex260.wheelsup.org/
At 06:22 PM 10/22/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
>Thanks, Monty.
>
>What a great web page showing the steps for making wing ribs. I left
>the link below so others can find it from the archives.
>
>I really enjoyed reading your web presentation. I would recommend it
>highly to anyone - even those who already know how to make ribs.
>
>I think you should start selling your fluting tool. It looks like it
>works a lot better than the strange thing Zenith sent me with my wing
>kit (I didn't even ask for it.) I suppose I could try to copy your
>tool, but would be delighted to order one if there were a place to do that.
>
>I have been struggling with wood flanging dies all day. Your ball
>bearing "Stick" looks like a really nice solution to this
>problem. My wood stick works OK, but I can see the bearings would
>make it a lot nicer and quicker to use.
>
>I have some wood flanging dies that almost work OK, but I don't have
>anything in my shop powerful enough to form full 100 mm flanges in
>one pass. I am thinking of a pilgrimage to Harbor Freight for one of
>their low end hydraulic presses to do this. I have been thinking of
>getting one of them anyway with the idea in mind of making a press
>brake for straight bending anyway.
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Paul
>XL wings
>
>At 03:32 PM 10/22/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
> >
> >
> >http://members.tripod.com/zodiacbuilder/ribforming.htm
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Builder Forever / flanging the lightening holes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Folks, a word of advice: the AS&S tool is of very poor quality. The rollers are
plastic,
apparently from shower doors.
I used the handle of one and attached actual roller bearings.
The tool works ok, but it takes a lot of dexterity to produce a nice flange.
I eventually borrowed steel dies, and pressed the ribs with four c-clamps. Tool
a little while,
but worked beautifully. If you have a large enough vise, it would work as well.
I also tried Randy Twig's method. I even used a cordless drill to operate the jack.
Fun, but
overkill. It does puzzle your neighbours...
Cheers
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans, making fuel tanks.
--- Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
>
...
> The tool Chris shows pictured. A commercial verison is already available
> for sale as mentioned in a previous post from AS & S for less than $25
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/holeflangtool.php
>
> He is building a Sonex now. Or he appears to have sold that as well.........
>
> http://sonex260.wheelsup.org/
>
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Builder Forever. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Samm Munn" <heliav8r@swbell.net>
Another version of a aluminum edge flanging tool and only costs $16.95 is
from planetools.com
http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4351283P2190512-Sheet-Metal-Tools/SM5-Aluminum-Edge-Flanging-Tool.aspx
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 oil leak solved. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Hello list members.
I am happy to inform you all that the oil leak problem on my Rotax 912 engine has
been solved. Thanks to Jerry, JERICKSON03E@aol.com.
I have to apologize to the person who sold me the engine, for thinking that he
had sold me a damaged engine. There is nothing wrong with the engine now. It works
and smells great. (Deodorant spray test)
To tell you all what had caused the leak is very embarrassing, but here it is.
When I received the engine, the head nuts had been mixed up when it got assembled.
This was only done by the seller, so that I would have the engine in one piece.
It had to be torn down for the repair of the crankshaft.
The Collar cap nuts (part # 842-471)were on the outside and the hex nuts(part #842-610)
on the inside. This is how I thought it should go together again. Wrong.
After replacing all O rings, new Oil return tubes, many pressure tests on the oil
system, all that needed to be done was 30 min work of switching nuts. And who
is the biggest nut? Me.
I have learned a lot about this engine while trying to find the solution, but without
the help of you list members, this guess work could have lasted me all
winter and maybe longer. Not to mention the cost of parts.
I would like to thank you all who posted your ideas about how to fix the oil leak,
and especially Jerry who approached the problem the professional way. The
spay test worked great to find the source and then this simple and yet effective
way to solve it.
Thank you,
Embarrassed Johann G.
Iceland.
Happy Zenith 701 flyer at last.
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Builder Forever / flanging the lightening holes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Hey Carlos:
Doesn't sound like you used a hydraulic jack. Using a drill to crank
the jack up and then crank the jack down would be the hard way. With
hydraulics you crack the valve and gravity does the rest!
Regards,
Randy Thwing
Do not archive
> I also tried Randy Twig's method. I even used a cordless drill to operate
the jack. Fun, but
> overkill. It does puzzle your neighbours...
>
> Cheers
> Carlos
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Builder Forever / flanging the lightening holes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hi, Randy
You are correct, I just used the car's (cheap) jack. Still, I did little physical
work, as the
cordless drill was turning the crank.
As I said, it did work, but for me it was easiest with the "C" clamps.
Cheers
Carlos
PS: Sorry for misspelling your family name - I intended to check the spelling before
hitting
enter, but...
--- "Randy L. ThwThwingn4546v@minmindspringm> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. ThwThwingn4546v@minmindspringm>
>
> Hey Carlos:
> Doesn't sound like you used a hydraulic jack. Using a drill to crank
> the jack up and then crank the jack down would be the hard way. With
> hydraulics you crack the valve and gravity does the rest!
>
> Regards,
>
> Randy ThwThwing
> Do not archive
>
>
> > I also tried Randy Twig's method. I even used a cordless drill to operate
> the jack. Fun, but
> > overkill. It does puzzle your neighbours...
> >
>
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 oil leak solved. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
Johann,
That is really good news. Though I had nothing at all to contribute in the
way of ideas I watched the exchange closely, and learned a lot. This list is
great, and glad it worked out for you.
Do Not Archive
Jim Greenough
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| Subject: | RE: Rudder camera |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Mark,
I have not installed cameras in mine (yet), but
the following is what I have recently done at work.
Background:
http://barnstorming.com/aeropress/cgi_bin/xfer.cgi?page=prod_combat.php#top
The company wanted to put camera systems in the
aircraft for years, but never had the time. The
requirements for the system were a view facing the
customer in the back seat, and a forward view to catch
them shooting the opponent. I found these security
cameras:
http://www.electronicsoutfitter.com/store/SW-P-BCC.html
The resolution is not quite digital quality, but
good enough for what we need it for. I mounted one in
the cockpit facing back, and one in the wing facing
forward. They are both connected to an rca video
splitter:
http://www.sjgreatdeals.com/rcadt902av.html
This allows us to edit the video real time.
Whenever we are offensive, we switch to the forward
camera. -Defensive, rear facing camera. The output
of the video selector goes directly to a mini DVD
camcorder. After the flight, we finalize the disc,
and sell the DVD for $50. One limiting factor was the
shutter speed of DVD camcorders being non adjustable,
and creating significant prop flicker at cruise RPM.
If you use mini DV, or digital 8, you won't have this
problem.
Installing the camera in the cockpit was easy
with two existing screws, but installing the camera in
the wing required FAA approval. Something we don't
have to worry about here. In the wing, I drilled a 1
1/8" hole in the leading edge of the outer wing
attachment access skin, and placed a large grommet in
the hole. I put the camera in the grommet, and used
the base of the mount to rivet it to a partial skin
inside. This made a secure, although crude,
installation, and was approved by the FAA. I think
installing this camera on top of the rudder would be a
simple task. Just remove the mount off the bottom,
and use the threads in the camera to bolt it on.
Both the camcorder and the bullet cams work on 9
volts, so I tapped into aircraft power using a
cigarette lighter adapter (with appropriate fuse), and
spliced the power out of the camcorder DC power
converter to power the minicams. This way everything
is powered by the aircraft. I had to get FAA approval
for the lighter adapter as well, but you don't have to
worry about that either (obviously). I have been
working on this system and FAA permissions since
March, and am just getting the system going...
I have installation pics I can e-mail anyone who
is interested. I could even edit some video and send
it along if anyone is interested. It is about as
simple and inexpensive as it gets.
R/
Brandon
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Rudder camera |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Mark, I have no experience with the subject, but sometime ago I collected a few
bookmarks that may
be of interest.
I thought it would be a good idea to record instrument panel images to gather data
during flight,
so I did some searches on cameras and flight.
What I found is based on flying R/C models, so the cameras are very small.
http://www.yb2normal.com/ (select "Flight")
http://www.hicam.com.au/
http://www.blackwidowav.com/index.html
Carlos
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 oil leak solved. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Thank you Jim.
Yes, this project would have been much more difficault to complete if I
had not received all the help and support from fellow builders on the
list.
Best wishes,
Johann G.
do not archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
>
> Johann,
>
> That is really good news. Though I had nothing at all to contribute in
> the
> way of ideas I watched the exchange closely, and learned a lot. This
> list is
> great, and glad it worked out for you.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Jim Greenough
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 oil leak solved. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
No reason to be embarrassed. That what this list is all about, and we all
learn from these types of situations that make us all more aware. Thank
goodness for the people who do dig in to these types of problems, share their
knowledge and talents to get a solution. Your building advise and help over the
last couple of years has been a big help to me to keep my
project on tract as well as others out there I'm sure. I'm glad you found
the answers here on the list.
Brian
Long Island, NY
701
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Camera |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Carl Bertrand" <cgbrt@mondenet.com>
Hi Mark
I've used both a video and 35mm on the left strut assembly to take oblique
and vertical for map mosaic with some success. A large camera will at times
cause slight airflow disturbances over the flapperon, but nothing that can
easily countered.
I've also used a colour security camera from Canadian Tire Corp that plugs
in to 12 volts and my video camera recorder to capture the video with good
results to study the airflow around different parts of the airplane. The
camera is relatively small (2"x2")but the quality of the images is
comparable to VGA so definitely not up to the best available today.
I've considered putting a camera on the rudder but have not done so for fear
of flutter and airload on the critical top hinge of the 701 design. I would
definitely talk to Chris H before test flying such a mod.
701/912/amphibs
Carl
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| Subject: | Re: 912 prop selection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Carl Bertrand" <cgbrt@mondenet.com>
Hi Bruce
Have a 68" warp. I'm happy but have not tried anything else. The warp has
given me good service for 400 hrs, mostly on floats. I've used 8.5 degrees
to 11 degrees depending on where I want best performance. I had to add 4" to
the nose strut when on wheels to get 9" ground clearance.
701/912/amphibs
Carl
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| Subject: | Re: 701 aileron trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Carl Bertrand" <cgbrt@mondenet.com>
Hi Jim,
Added aileron trim eight year ago and use it all the time to counter
passenger and wing fuel load changes. The 3" x 6" tab is mounted at the
outboard edge of the left flapperon. The wiring comes out of the trailing
edge of the wing tip and into the flapperon glass tip. No need for an
indicator as you can clearly see the tab from the pilots seat. I recommend a
hat switch on the c.c. for ease of operation.
701/912/amphibs
Carl
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Builder Forever. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Samm Munn" <heliav8r@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Kit Builder Forever.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Samm Munn" <heliav8r@swbell.net>
>
> Another version of a aluminum edge flanging tool and only costs $16.95 is
> from planetools.com
>
Sam-
Tool looks great! Wish I'd known about it earlier.
Bill
do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | weight and balance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: PASSPAT@aol.com
Anyone out there with a W&B for a 601XL that has it on a spread sheet
Pat
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de.ittind.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rudder Camera
From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Hello Mark,
Here is a local guy, (to us around the Colorado Springs area) who has put a camera
into his Vertical Stabilizer on his RV-8A. It might help you out.
http://www.rv8a.com/stabcam/index.htm
Keith
CH701 (still trying to build)
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Zodie Rocket
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Camera
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
Hi Guys, I'm running wires and final closing structures in my 601XL and
I want to install a remote camera on the top of my rudder for taping in
flight video's. I remember some discussion before on this, but would
like an update on the idea. Anyone done this and if so hints and tricks
please and some camera suggestions would be nice.
Thanks
cdngoose
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--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello list members.
Anyone looking for Corvair engine, here is one on Ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Corvair-Engine_W0QQitemZ4584730245QQcategoryZ26437QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Item# 4584730245
I did not give up on the Rotax 912 though.
Good luck
Johann G.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Camera |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trell & Amy Hall" <hallsplace@charter.net>
here is larry bowman site on how he done his cam in the tail. great videos
too
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/archives/2004/10/tail_cam.html
Trell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rudder Camera
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES"
<Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rudder Camera
> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:10:48 -0600
> From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>
>
> Hello Mark,
>
> Here is a local guy, (to us around the Colorado Springs area) who has put
a camera into his Vertical Stabilizer on his RV-8A. It might help you out.
>
> http://www.rv8a.com/stabcam/index.htm
>
> Keith
> CH701 (still trying to build)
> N 38.9947
> W 105.1305
> Alt. 9,100'
> **********************************************************************
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Zodie Rocket
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Camera
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
>
> Mark Townsend
> Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
> president@can-zacaviation.com
> www.can-zacaviation.com
>
> Hi Guys, I'm running wires and final closing structures in my 601XL and
> I want to install a remote camera on the top of my rudder for taping in
> flight video's. I remember some discussion before on this, but would
> like an update on the idea. Anyone done this and if so hints and tricks
> please and some camera suggestions would be nice.
>
> Thanks
> cdngoose
>
> --
> 10/21/2005
>
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Does it make any difference what orientation the Facet fuel pumps are
mounted in? I would like to put mine vertical.
Doug Mattson
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Johann
I'm glad that you finally got the leak fixed without having to replace your
heads. HAPPY FLYING!
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