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1. 03:32 AM - XL Main gear change, again (Rico Voss)
2. 03:51 AM - XL VNE, again (Rico Voss)
3. 04:19 AM - Re: XL Main gear change, again (Paul Mulwitz)
4. 04:24 AM - Re: XL VNE, again (Paul Mulwitz)
5. 05:55 AM - Re: Removing metal shavings/filings? (Larry McFarland)
6. 06:01 AM - Re: Removing metal shavings/filings? (Larry)
7. 06:03 AM - Re: XL VNE, again (Rico Voss)
8. 06:09 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 10/30/05 (Gig Giacona)
9. 06:57 AM - Re: Builders and owners map (Gary Craze)
10. 07:09 AM - Re: XL VNE, again (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
11. 07:42 AM - Re: XL VNE, again (Paul Mulwitz)
12. 07:44 AM - Re: XL VNE, again (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
13. 07:46 AM - Re: 601XL - Torque Rod Stop Ring (N5SL)
14. 08:06 AM - Re: accurate performance numbers (Grant Corriveau)
15. 08:06 AM - Re: XL Main gear change, again (victor verdev)
16. 08:11 AM - Re: XL VNE, again (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
17. 08:17 AM - Re: XL VNE, again (Rico Voss)
18. 08:27 AM - Re: XL VNE, again (N5SL)
19. 09:01 AM - Re: XL VNE, again (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
20. 09:17 AM - Re: XL Main gear change, again (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
21. 09:25 AM - Re: XL VNE, again (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
22. 09:33 AM - Fuel Level Sender attachment (Eric Parlow)
23. 10:10 AM - building process on fuse (john butterfield)
24. 10:18 AM - Re: Fuel Level Sender attachment (N5SL)
25. 10:22 AM - Re: paint jobs (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
26. 10:28 AM - Re: Fuel Level Sender attachment (Carlos Sa)
27. 11:05 AM - Re: building process on fuse (N5SL)
28. 01:59 PM - Re: XL VNE, again (Rico Voss)
29. 02:31 PM - CH-701 advice (Dave G.)
30. 03:43 PM - Question on vortex generators (R. Saarinen)
31. 03:43 PM - Re: XL VNE, again (Gary Gower)
32. 03:46 PM - Zodiac 601 wings ()
33. 03:50 PM - Suzuki Samuri Alternator (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
34. 04:01 PM - Re: Fuel Level Sender attachment (Gary Gower)
35. 04:02 PM - contiental 0-200 ()
36. 04:06 PM - Re: Question on vortex generators (Eddie Seve)
37. 04:15 PM - Re: CH-701 advice (Ron Crook)
38. 04:56 PM - Form materials (rlendon@comcast.net)
39. 04:58 PM - Re: CH-701 advice (Ron Crook)
40. 05:24 PM - Re: XL VNE, again (Paul Mulwitz)
41. 05:26 PM - New Builder: 1st question of many to come (Brad Renter)
42. 05:31 PM - Re: Form materials (Larry McFarland)
43. 05:34 PM - Re: Form materials (ron wehba)
44. 05:36 PM - Re: Shavings in stabilizer (chrisoz@bmail.com.au)
45. 05:56 PM - Re: building process on fuse (Matt & Jo)
46. 06:06 PM - Re: Form materials (Zodie Rocket)
47. 06:34 PM - Re: New Builder: 1st question of many to come (Paul Mulwitz)
48. 06:37 PM - Re: building process on fuse (Zodie Rocket)
49. 06:44 PM - Re: Suzuki Samuri Alternator (Larry)
50. 07:12 PM - Waterborne finish (Matt & Jo)
51. 07:15 PM - subaru manifold ()
52. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 10/30/05 (Richard Hutson)
53. 08:01 PM - Re: 601XL - Torque Rod Stop Ring (Paul Moore)
54. 08:16 PM - Re: subaru manifold (Jim and Lucy)
55. 08:22 PM - Re: Form materials (kevinbonds)
56. 08:27 PM - Re: Form materials (rlendon@comcast.net)
57. 08:39 PM - Re: Re: accurate performance numbers (Rusty)
58. 09:10 PM - Re: Waterborne finish (rlendon@comcast.net)
59. 09:24 PM - Re: subaru manifold ()
60. 09:24 PM - Re: Form materials (rlendon@comcast.net)
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| Subject: | XL Main gear change, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
Fellow Head-scratchers,
George May asked in June about the reversal of the XL main
gear position, as shown in the April, '05 revision. That
is -- the "flat" edge of the leaf gear was shifted from the
rear side to the front. I couldn't find any answer in the
archives, and I'm wondering the same thing.
I asked Nick in August, and he basically said it didn't
matter -- that it would only affect the amount of back
pressure on the stick needed to rotate.
Seems to me that the 5" shift in the position of the mains
would make quite a difference in the weight distribution
among the wheels. With a relatively light Jab engine, my
gut feeling is that having the mains rearward would be
better, putting more weight on the nose. Or is it
preferable to keep the nose light (ie, mains more fwd.)??
Any comments from you "completed and flying"??
Thanks in advance,
--TioRico, XL/3300, getting back to it soon.
do not archive the question
__________________________________
http://farechase.yahoo.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
On the subject of crawfishin'...
Another unanswered question is why the VNE for the XL was
changed in the April,05 revisions from 180 to 160 mph. The
website still shows 180.
Anybody talk to ZAC about this one??
Thanks again,
--TioRico... gonna get a movable redline. [maybe I should
just ignore the revisions]
question only, do not archive
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: XL Main gear change, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I am not flying yet, but as usual I can come up with an opinion on
just about anything.
If there is any hidden impact to this question, it would probably be
in the overall CG location. In general, I think the further forward
the CG the better the pitch stability and airspeed stability. Both
of these would be positive contributions to safety and ease of flying.
On the other hand moving the main gear back would give more tendency
for the plane to straighten out on a less than perfect landing. That
is because the CG would be further forward of the main gear.
Finally, if Nick says it doesn't make much difference, then I must
conclude that it doesn't make much difference.
Paul
XL wings.
do not archive
At 03:30 AM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
>
>Fellow Head-scratchers,
>George May asked in June about the reversal of the XL main
>gear position, as shown in the April, '05 revision. That
>is -- the "flat" edge of the leaf gear was shifted from the
>rear side to the front. I couldn't find any answer in the
>archives, and I'm wondering the same thing.
>
>I asked Nick in August, and he basically said it didn't
>matter -- that it would only affect the amount of back
>pressure on the stick needed to rotate.
>
>Seems to me that the 5" shift in the position of the mains
>would make quite a difference in the weight distribution
>among the wheels. With a relatively light Jab engine, my
>gut feeling is that having the mains rearward would be
>better, putting more weight on the nose. Or is it
>preferable to keep the nose light (ie, mains more fwd.)??
>
>Any comments from you "completed and flying"??
>
>Thanks in advance,
>--TioRico, XL/3300, getting back to it soon.
>
>do not archive the question
>
>
>__________________________________
>http://farechase.yahoo.com
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: XL VNE, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I actually spent a great deal of time worrying about the VNE question.
In the end, it seems the only time this issue comes up in real flying
is when doing power dives. For normal operations, it is maximum
cruise speed that will be the fastest you go.
If my conclusion above is true, then it is only "Hot dogging" that
plays into the VNE value after you have a little margin over cruise
speed. Once I figured that out, I lost nearly all interest in the
specification of VNE.
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
At 03:50 AM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
>
>On the subject of crawfishin'...
>
>Another unanswered question is why the VNE for the XL was
>changed in the April,05 revisions from 180 to 160 mph. The
>website still shows 180.
>
>Anybody talk to ZAC about this one??
>
>Thanks again,
>--TioRico... gonna get a movable redline. [maybe I should
>just ignore the revisions]
>
>question only, do not archive
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Removing metal shavings/filings? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Michael,
Yes, by all means, do push the shavings out before buttoning up your
bird. Use a feeler gage strip if
necessary and after you've deburred the last holes, vacuum or airblast
the material out. They can
cause you to pull a rivet and create a dink beside it. It's just better
housekeeping to clean before
you close.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Michael Valentine wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
>
>I am about to close up my horizontal stabilizer. Before I do, I would
>appreciate any comments on the need to meticulously remove the metal
>shavings and filings that have accumulated inside. As you may
>remember, half of the skin is riveted on before the other side is
>drilled, causing lots of shavings to fall in the skeleton.
>
>Should I poke, prod, blow, brush, and vacuum out every single shaving.
> Obviously I am getting most out by turning it upside down and
>dumping, with some brushing and some blowing. But, some of them end
>up wedged in places and some just don't seem to fall out. Will they
>do any damage in the short, medium, or long term? The question is
>just how much is necessary.
>
>Thanks for all your thoughts on the matter.
>
>Michael Valentine
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Removing metal shavings/filings? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
I took a small flexible hose and use duct take to attach it to the bigger
hose of my shop vac. Got most of it but still have a few bouncing around in
my wings. I don't think a couple ozs of metal shavings is going to matter
much.
Larry, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Valentine" <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Removing metal shavings/filings?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Valentine
> <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
>
> I am about to close up my horizontal stabilizer. Before I do, I would
> appreciate any comments on the need to meticulously remove the metal
> shavings and filings that have accumulated inside. As you may
> remember, half of the skin is riveted on before the other side is
> drilled, causing lots of shavings to fall in the skeleton.
>
> Should I poke, prod, blow, brush, and vacuum out every single shaving.
> Obviously I am getting most out by turning it upside down and
> dumping, with some brushing and some blowing. But, some of them end
> up wedged in places and some just don't seem to fall out. Will they
> do any damage in the short, medium, or long term? The question is
> just how much is necessary.
>
> Thanks for all your thoughts on the matter.
>
> Michael Valentine
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL VNE, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
I'm not planning to test my structural integrity by pushing
to VNE (especially if it's 180). My reasons for asking the
question are:
1. Where to put the red line on ASI (and what range ASI)
2. WHY the designer (CH??, NH??) chose to reduce the figure
that represents structural strength by such a significant
amount, now some 6-7 years after initial design. (or was
it wrong from the start?)
--RV, XL
--- Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> I actually spent a great deal of time worrying about the
> VNE question.
>
> In the end, it seems the only time this issue comes up in
> real flying
> is when doing power dives. For normal operations, it is
> maximum
> cruise speed that will be the fastest you go.
>
> If my conclusion above is true, then it is only "Hot
> dogging" that
> plays into the VNE value after you have a little margin
> over cruise
> speed. Once I figured that out, I lost nearly all
> interest in the
> specification of VNE.
>
> Paul
> XL wings
> do not archive
>
> At 03:50 AM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss
> <vozzen@yahoo.com>
> >
> >On the subject of crawfishin'...
> >
> >Another unanswered question is why the VNE for the XL
> was
> >changed in the April,05 revisions from 180 to 160 mph.
> The
> >website still shows 180.
> >
> >Anybody talk to ZAC about this one??
> >
> >Thanks again,
> >--TioRico... gonna get a movable redline. [maybe I
> should
> >just ignore the revisions]
> >
> >question only, do not archive
> >
> >
> >__________________________________
> >
> >
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Paul Mulwitz
> 32013 NE Dial Road
> Camas, WA 98607
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> page,
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________
http://farechase.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 10/30/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
> On Oct 30, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Bob Carlson wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Carlson"
>> <a300cpt@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for paint shops? Any
>> estimates on what
>> it will cost? Any place east of the great divide would be ok.
The airport at Mena Arkansas has several paint shops that are pretty well
thought of nationwide and they all have webs sites. Google-- Mena Aircraft
paint -- and you will find the links.
When I first started building I contacted a couple and they were both in the
$5000 range.
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| Subject: | Re: Builders and owners map |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
Don't forget the STOL 801 map !
http://www.frappr.com/zenith801
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| Subject: | Re: XL VNE, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
Technically, Vne is defined as 90% of the maximum speed the airplane has been test
flown at. You are supposed to fly your plane to a speed of 111% of Vne during
phase I testing to establish the safe operting limits of the airframe. You
work your way up to this speed gradually with a series of flights. If you are
not willing to test fly the airplane beyond say 150 mph then your Vne technically
should be set as 135 mph. I have established during testing that my Vne can
be safely set at 180 mph for my airplane.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
>
> I'm not planning to test my structural integrity by pushing
> to VNE (especially if it's 180). My reasons for asking the
> question are:
>
> 1. Where to put the red line on ASI (and what range ASI)
>
> 2. WHY the designer (CH??, NH??) chose to reduce the figure
> that represents structural strength by such a significant
> amount, now some 6-7 years after initial design. (or was
> it wrong from the start?)
> --RV, XL
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| Subject: | Re: XL VNE, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
While dealing with a small design error in my elevator, I learned
that there have been a lot of small design changes to make the Zodiac
XL design compatible with the consensus LSA standard. These
represent changes in "Thinking" from one designer's home-built
experimental creation to a group's notion of a safe Light Sport Airplane.
If anything, the current version of the XL is more sturdy than it has
ever been. The change in VNE may reflect a difference in thinking
more than a new level of structural weakness.
Paul
XL wings
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
>
>I'm not planning to test my structural integrity by pushing
>to VNE (especially if it's 180). My reasons for asking the
>question are:
>
>1. Where to put the red line on ASI (and what range ASI)
>
>2. WHY the designer (CH??, NH??) chose to reduce the figure
>that represents structural strength by such a significant
>amount, now some 6-7 years after initial design. (or was
>it wrong from the start?)
>--RV, XL
>
>
>--- Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> > <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> > I actually spent a great deal of time worrying about the
> > VNE question.
> >
> > In the end, it seems the only time this issue comes up in
> > real flying
> > is when doing power dives. For normal operations, it is
> > maximum
> > cruise speed that will be the fastest you go.
> >
> > If my conclusion above is true, then it is only "Hot
> > dogging" that
> > plays into the VNE value after you have a little margin
> > over cruise
> > speed. Once I figured that out, I lost nearly all
> > interest in the
> > specification of VNE.
> >
> > Paul
> > XL wings
>
> > At 03:50 AM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
> > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss
> > <vozzen@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > >On the subject of crawfishin'...
> > >
> > >Another unanswered question is why the VNE for the XL
> > was
> > >changed in the April,05 revisions from 180 to 160 mph.
> > The
> > >website still shows 180.
> > >
> > >Anybody talk to ZAC about this one??
> > >
> > >Thanks again,
> > >--TioRico... gonna get a movable redline. [maybe I
> > should
> > >just ignore the revisions]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >__________________________________
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > Paul Mulwitz
> > 32013 NE Dial Road
> > Camas, WA 98607
> > ---------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > page,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>__________________________________
>http://farechase.yahoo.com
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: XL VNE, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
<<<<<Technically, Vne is defined as 90% of the maximum speed the airplane has
been test flown at. You are supposed to fly your plane to a speed of 111% of
Vne during phase I testing to establish the safe operting limits of the
airframe.>>>>
Are you sure about that? What kind of an engine am I supposed to use to get
my 601XL to 180 mph???
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL - Torque Rod Stop Ring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Paul:
The elevator tension keeps it back. Just like the bungee on the nose fork has
no stop or "keeper" on the front. Not necessary. You will see when you install
your elevator cables. There is plenty tension there and sliding the torque
tube forward is an non-issue.
For the flap hole - it can be moved to suit your installation. It is supposed to
be slotted anyway so you will have to move and expand the slot as needed with
the nylon insert.
Good luck,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Paul Moore <pmoore505@msn.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore"
2 XL questions for those in the know:
The torque rod for the control yoke has a stop ring on the end just in front
of the front spar carry-through to keep the rod from exiting out the back of
the bearings. It sure seems like there should be a second one to keep it
from moving forward as well but nothing on the plans shows one. There are 4"
to 5" of travel available there, unless the aileron and elevator cable
tension is enough keep it pulled back tight. Did anyone add a second ring
either behind the front bearing or behind the rear one?
On the flap actuator torque rod bearings, there is only one way the big
bearing holes can be positioned in the bearing while honoring the edge
distances, etc.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: accurate performance numbers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
I flew a friend's XL with the Rotax 912s and averaged an honest 130+ mph
over a 6 hour day approximately. This was using a constant speed prop and a
power setting of 25" MP and 5,000 rpm at 2,000 to 3,000 asl. Ave. fuel
consumption was somewhere around 5.5usgph as I recall. I think the entire
story is linked at the 601.org website.
fwiw,
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
> I don't see the cruise speed you quoted. The current Zenith page shows the
> following max cruise speeds:
> 134 mph (912S)
> 138 mph (Jabiru 3300)
> 138 mph (O-235)
>
> If I used one of these engines, and only got 120 mph, I wouldn't be happy.
> Fortunately, I've heard from a couple sources that the 3300 XL is truly
> meeting it's claims, which is good news.
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| Subject: | Re: XL Main gear change, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev <vjvus@yahoo.com>
I asked Chris Heinz about the main gear change in new
drawings at Oshkosh this year. I'm building an XL with
Lycoming 0-235. He said for my heavy engine NOT to
reverse the gear to what is on new drawings.
--- Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> I am not flying yet, but as usual I can come up with
> an opinion on
> just about anything.
>
> If there is any hidden impact to this question, it
> would probably be
> in the overall CG location. In general, I think the
> further forward
> the CG the better the pitch stability and airspeed
> stability. Both
> of these would be positive contributions to safety
> and ease of flying.
>
> On the other hand moving the main gear back would
> give more tendency
> for the plane to straighten out on a less than
> perfect landing. That
> is because the CG would be further forward of the
> main gear.
>
> Finally, if Nick says it doesn't make much
> difference, then I must
> conclude that it doesn't make much difference.
>
> Paul
> XL wings.
> do not archive
> At 03:30 AM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss
> <vozzen@yahoo.com>
> >
> >Fellow Head-scratchers,
> >George May asked in June about the reversal of the
> XL main
> >gear position, as shown in the April, '05 revision.
> That
> >is -- the "flat" edge of the leaf gear was shifted
> from the
> >rear side to the front. I couldn't find any
> answer in the
> >archives, and I'm wondering the same thing.
> >
> >I asked Nick in August, and he basically said it
> didn't
> >matter -- that it would only affect the amount of
> back
> >pressure on the stick needed to rotate.
> >
> >Seems to me that the 5" shift in the position of
> the mains
> >would make quite a difference in the weight
> distribution
> >among the wheels. With a relatively light Jab
> engine, my
> >gut feeling is that having the mains rearward would
> be
> >better, putting more weight on the nose. Or is it
> >preferable to keep the nose light (ie, mains more
> fwd.)??
> >
> >Any comments from you "completed and flying"??
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >--TioRico, XL/3300, getting back to it soon.
> >
> >do not archive the question
> >
> >
> >__________________________________
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> >
> >
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Paul Mulwitz
> 32013 NE Dial Road
> Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: XL VNE, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
Push the stick forward far enough and it will get there, engine or no engine.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
>
> <<<<<Technically, Vne is defined as 90% of the maximum speed the airplane has
> been test flown at. You are supposed to fly your plane to a speed of 111% of
> Vne during phase I testing to establish the safe operting limits of the
> airframe.>>>>
>
> Are you sure about that? What kind of an engine am I supposed to use to get
> my 601XL to 180 mph???
>
> Dave
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| Subject: | Re: XL VNE, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
Thanks, Bryan... that helps.
So these are really being flown to 200 mph in testing
phase??
But, my first question still stands -- Why the reduction
from 180 to 160 by ZAC?
--RV, XL
--- bryanmmartin@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> bryanmmartin@comcast.net
>
> Technically, Vne is defined as 90% of the maximum speed
> the airplane has been test flown at. You are supposed to
> fly your plane to a speed of 111% of Vne during phase I
> testing to establish the safe operting limits of the
> airframe. You work your way up to this speed gradually
> with a series of flights. If you are not willing to test
> fly the airplane beyond say 150 mph then your Vne
> technically should be set as 135 mph. I have established
> during testing that my Vne can be safely set at 180 mph
> for my airplane.
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL VNE, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Gravity man! Use your engine to climb then let gravity do the rest.
Be careful.
Scott.
VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
<<<<been test flown at. You are supposed to fly your plane to a speed of 111% of
Vne during phase I testing to establish the safe operting limits of the
airframe.>>>>
Are you sure about that? What kind of an engine am I supposed to use to get
my 601XL to 180 mph???
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Errr...Thanks but no thanks...I'll leave VNE testing to those that are
braver than me....:)
Frank
RV7A
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL VNE, again
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Gravity man! Use your engine to climb then let gravity do the rest.
Be careful.
Scott.
VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
<<<<been test flown at. You are supposed to fly your plane to a speed of
111% of Vne during phase I testing to establish the safe operting limits
of the airframe.>>>>
Are you sure about that? What kind of an engine am I supposed to use to
get my 601XL to 180 mph???
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| Subject: | Re: XL Main gear change, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
What you propose may well change the CG, etc., I think I can speak for a
large number of XL flyers that landing hard on the mains is not really much of
a
concern as they are really over constructed and engineered for our gross
weight and speeds (which I am very pleased with), but on the other hand anything
that puts extra burden on the front gear certainly should be of concern.
Frankly, trying to ease the front gear down gently is a continual difficult landing
task just to ensure no collapse (see notes on Al Young's third landing). FWIW,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: XL VNE, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Rico, maybe the Light Sport Plane category slice of the GA market with it's
max and minimum requirements for weight, stall speeds and VNE might answer your
concerns. Consider what sells airplanes for ZAC (or any manufacturer for that
matter) and plug in LSP and you may have your answer to why numbers have
changed in the past few years, FWIW, Bill
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| Subject: | Fuel Level Sender attachment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
We're looking for a good method to attach the fuel level senders to the fuel
tank.
The welded tank only has a 3"x3", 1/8" thick, plate welded to the side to
support the sender.
We feel uncomfortable allowing the sender to hang on the plate with only 5
10-32 screws tapped into the thin aluminum plate.
Nutplates?
We're considering not using the gasket and Pro-Sealing the sensor to the
tank.
This will seal the screws as well.
There's also an extra bracket/extension that comes assembled with the sensor
we don't think we need. Any reason for not removing this to reduce the
weight and moment of the sensor?
Any help is appreciated.
Scott & Eric
CH-640
Asheville, NC
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| Subject: | building process on fuse |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
Hi list
I have generally completed the tail and wings, and am
working on the fuse.
The photo guide is somewhat unclear on the process and
order as compared to the pictures in the guide.
I have the bottom of the fuse done and the rear side
skins clecoed on. the gear channel and floor seems
pretty obvious.
My problem, is when i put the upper logerons on the
firewall, some pictures show the skins on and some
show them off. also, the detail regarding the main
spare seems pretty loose.
Also, are you supposed to essentially complete the
fuse, then take it apart for deburring and corrosion
control or can you do it as you complete each section.
looking at the blowup of the fuse on the first section
of the plans seems pretty logical, but the breakdown
in the guide seems to jump around pretty much.]
i would like to deburr and have ready each section as
i build it, but not sure if this is the best. also,
do most of your use the pilot holes to set up and
immeadiately take them to the correct size.
these may seem obvious to most of you, but to me they
seem confused.
one thing for sure, the next plane i build will be
quicker and faster.
regards
john butterfield
601XL corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Level Sender attachment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Scott and Eric:
It's easy enough to fabricate a backing plate for your sender. Here's the one
I made for my wing tanks:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/3_5_03_SenderParts.JPG
I just match-drilled it and threaded the holes for machine screws. It really secure
and seals well with the gasket. If you already have a 1/8" backing plated
welded to the tank, I think it would be prudent to drill the holes and tap them
for machine screws and you would be in business.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Eric Parlow <ericparlow@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow"
We're looking for a good method to attach the fuel level senders to the fuel
tank.
The welded tank only has a 3"x3", 1/8" thick, plate welded to the side to
support the sender.
We feel uncomfortable allowing the sender to hang on the plate with only 5
10-32 screws tapped into the thin aluminum plate.
Nutplates?
---------------------------------
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Appreciate the article,
Personally I have done lots of rattle can jobs and have just completed
the instrument panel on my RV and its perfect using Rustoleum gloss and
the plastic handle used for making cans like a spray gun...MUCH easier.
Certainly would not attempt to paint a whole airplane like this but it
seems to me the actual spraying techniques are the same...I.e constant
distance from the metal, pull and release trigger at the beginning and
end of each run etc.
In other wods, if you can do a good rattle can job you "should" have
sufficient skill to run a spray gu as long as the paint is mixed
right....
Would you agree?
Frank
HDS (382 hours) and RV7A, about to hang engine.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Trevor Page
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: paint jobs
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Bob, have you contacted any car paint shops locally to you with aluminum
painting experience?
Some of us decided to tackle the paint ourselfves and came out pretty
good. I get compliments on my garage paint job all the time. I thought
it would be hard but it's not. All of the work is in the prep of the
metal and you can expect a high-price from a shop because of this. If
you do it yourself you can save big $$.
I reckon my paint job was less than $700 in materials (used good paint).
If you want more info there is a really good article on painting on
www.ch601.org that explains pretty much everything you need to know. If
you read that and follow the instructions (which I
did) you'll end up just fine.
My website has lots of pictures of the painting process:
http://pagefamily.homeunix.org/picture_album/view_album.php?
set_albumName=finalpaint
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
On Oct 30, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Bob Carlson wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Carlson"
> <a300cpt@bellsouth.net>
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for paint shops? Any estimates
> on what it will cost? Any place east of the great divide would be ok.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Level Sender attachment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Eric, I received recently VDO gauges and senders.
The instructions say that if your tank is shalower than ?? inches (I forget the
number), then you
should remove one of the sections.
This may or may not apply to your case, depending on the brand...
Cheers
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
building tanks
--- Eric Parlow <ericparlow@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
>
...
> There's also an extra bracket/extension that comes assembled with the sensor
> we don't think we need. Any reason for not removing this to reduce the
> weight and moment of the sensor?
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| Subject: | Re: building process on fuse |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
John you are at the point in construction I found to be the most difficult so far.
You just have to get past it. I'm sure there are several ways to get this
done, but if you work through it, you will get it finished. No, it is not obvious
as I think everybody who has been there will tell you. When you actually
start riveting is up to you. In my case it was when I ran out of clecos. Remove,
debur, clean, prime and rivet what you can and leave the rest in clecos
until you have to move on or run out of clecos again.
If I remember correctly, I riveted the rear fuselage and sides, then assembled
the firewall and floor and riveted this part. Then I joined them together and
riveted. The top longerons were next and stayed cleco'd for a long time while
fitting the sides. The rear wing attachment was extremely time consuming for
me. I was really careful. Yesterday I fitted my right wing and noticed a gap
at the rear attachment point! Oh well, one more thing to deal with.
Hang in there and it will all come together.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
Hi list
I have generally completed the tail and wings, and am
working on the fuse.
The photo guide is somewhat unclear on the process and
order as compared to the pictures in the guide.
I have the bottom of the fuse done and the rear side
skins clecoed on. the gear channel and floor seems
pretty obvious.
My problem, is when i put the upper logerons on the
firewall, some pictures show the skins on and some
show them off. also, the detail regarding the main
spare seems pretty loose.
Also, are you supposed to essentially complete the
fuse, then take it apart for deburring and corrosion
control or can you do it as you complete each section.
looking at the blowup of the fuse on the first section
of the plans seems pretty logical, but the breakdown
in the guide seems to jump around pretty much.]
i would like to deburr and have ready each section as
i build it, but not sure if this is the best. also,
do most of your use the pilot holes to set up and
immeadiately take them to the correct size.
these may seem obvious to most of you, but to me they
seem confused.
one thing for sure, the next plane i build will be
quicker and faster.
regards
john butterfield
601XL corvair
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: XL VNE, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
Paul and Bill,
I can see that the push to market the XL as LSA might
influence their numbers, but the only maximum speed I've
seen mentioned is for max continuous cruise. I find it
disconcerting to think that a number, that I thought was
related to the structural strength of the aircraft, would
be determined by a committee, instead of engineering and
testing.
Anyway, I just sent Nick the same question. I'll let you
all know what he says.
Thanks for the replies,
Rico
do not archive
__________________________________
http://farechase.yahoo.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave G." <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
I am dragging my feet terribly over a 701 that I feel is a fairly good match
for my needs. It fails in that it is plans built and therfore registered as
a BULA (Canada regs).
It appears to be well built and I guess I could get over not being able to
carry passengers. I am concerned about the motor. It is a VW with a PSRU. I
wonder if this is a good choice. the builder indicates that it is a 1600 and
I'm wondering if it is powerful enough even for a 701.
It is not quite finished and has not flown. Some of you in Ontario might be
familiar with it. Any insights will be appreciated.
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| Subject: | Question on vortex generators |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "R. Saarinen" <sales@steelframe.com.au>
G'Day Listers,
I have a 601 HDS that has a published stall speed of about 50 MPH.
To comply with Australian Ultralight Regs I have to reduce this by
4 MPH to be legal, Has any one fitted vortex generators to a HDS,
what distance from the leading edge are they fitted, what size & shape
are they, what angle are they fitted at, how many is needed to bring the
stall down by this amount, & last of all do the work
on this type aircraft ?
sorry about all the questions.
Any infomation would be greatly appreciated
Regards to all
Ron Saarinen
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| Subject: | Re: XL VNE, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
VNE can be flown tested in a carefully controled dive flight, with a very gentle
recovering action, not something to do on a regular basis and without a chute...
Saludos
Gary Gower
VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
<<<<been test flown at. You are supposed to fly your plane to a speed of 111% of
Vne during phase I testing to establish the safe operting limits of the
airframe.>>>>
Are you sure about that? What kind of an engine am I supposed to use to get
my 601XL to 180 mph???
Dave
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601 wings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <momanpop@marshallnet.com>
I have a pair of Zodiac HDS wings (used) in excellent condition for sale.
Anyone interested can contact me at MOMANPOP@MARSHALLNET.COM .
Please send tele # and I will call you with details. Thanks Robert Tichy
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| Subject: | Suzuki Samuri Alternator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hi guys. The above alt is used on a lot of homebuilts and yesterday in
the pattern the waring light would come on intermittently.
I am assuming it's a worn brush issue...Anyone know if you can buy
replacement brushes for these things??
Thanks
Frank
HDS/Stratus with Ram heads 382 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Level Sender attachment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
In our 701, I remember we changed/modified the bracket...
Cant remember now if we cut the not used part of the breacket or we changed the
metal bracket with a piece we made with 6061 -T6 left over we had in hand, but
finaly the sender was light enough for us...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Eric Parlow <ericparlow@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow"
We're looking for a good method to attach the fuel level senders to the fuel
tank.
The welded tank only has a 3"x3", 1/8" thick, plate welded to the side to
support the sender.
We feel uncomfortable allowing the sender to hang on the plate with only 5
10-32 screws tapped into the thin aluminum plate.
Nutplates?
We're considering not using the gasket and Pro-Sealing the sensor to the
tank.
This will seal the screws as well.
There's also an extra bracket/extension that comes assembled with the sensor
we don't think we need. Any reason for not removing this to reduce the
weight and moment of the sensor?
Any help is appreciated.
Scott & Eric
CH-640
Asheville, NC
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| Subject: | contiental 0-200 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <momanpop@marshallnet.com>
I have a Continental 0-200 with log books,overhaul,parts manuals, and motor mount
for a Zodiac 601
for sale. anyone interested email me at MOMANPOP@MARSHALLNET.COM. Please include
tele#.
Thanks Robert Tichy.
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| Subject: | Question on vortex generators |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Ron,
They are fitted at 10% of the wing cord
Size 20mm long x 10mm wide
They slope from the front at zero to the rear at about 10mm high
They are fitted at opposing angles of 15 degrees
Have a look at this site;
www.landshorter.com
Regards,
Eddie Seve
Waiting on kit, 1 week to go.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R. Saarinen
Subject: Zenith-List: Question on vortex generators
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "R. Saarinen"
<sales@steelframe.com.au>
G'Day Listers,
I have a 601 HDS that has a published stall speed of about 50 MPH.
To comply with Australian Ultralight Regs I have to reduce this by
4 MPH to be legal, Has any one fitted vortex generators to a HDS,
what distance from the leading edge are they fitted, what size & shape
are they, what angle are they fitted at, how many is needed to bring the
stall down by this amount, & last of all do the work on this type
aircraft ?
sorry about all the questions.
Any infomation would be greatly appreciated
Regards to all
Ron Saarinen
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Crook" <ronflys701@hotmail.com>
Hello Dave Im not an authority on 701s but I own my own as do 3 other
friends of mine if u want some real advise try to get Tom Mills from Guelph
he traines and has built a couple of 701s he is an instructor and is very
knowlegable with the 701.......you will hear alot of stuff out there don t
buy something u won t be happy with>>by the way his is a basic ultralight
....send him an email and I recommend him throughly..and he is also a nice
guy.....millfly@sentex.net
You won t be disappointed he and I have both 912 rotax in our planes and he
had a suzuki also. The builder had it registered basic because mine is home
built from plans as well??? Good luck and where are u located??.....Ron
>From: "Dave G." <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: CH-701 advice
>Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:31:01 -0400
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave G." <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
>I am dragging my feet terribly over a 701 that I feel is a fairly good
>match
>for my needs. It fails in that it is plans built and therfore registered as
>a BULA (Canada regs).
>
>It appears to be well built and I guess I could get over not being able to
>carry passengers. I am concerned about the motor. It is a VW with a PSRU. I
>wonder if this is a good choice. the builder indicates that it is a 1600
>and
>I'm wondering if it is powerful enough even for a 701.
>
>It is not quite finished and has not flown. Some of you in Ontario might be
>familiar with it. Any insights will be appreciated.
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
Plans Builders,
I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is the form
material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to laminating .125
aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more dense material you have
had good luck with?
--
Ron Lendon
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
Do Not Archive
Plans Builders,
I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is the form
material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to laminating .125 aluminum
to the plywood form. Is there some other, more dense material you have
had good luck with?
--
Ron Lendon
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
Do Not Archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Crook" <ronflys701@hotmail.com>
Where is this plane and who is the builder??I can tell u now Tom will tell u
to run in the opposite direction bad choise of engines and not enough
power.that is my take on that plane?? Regards Ron
>From: "Dave G." <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: CH-701 advice
>Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:31:01 -0400
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave G." <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
>I am dragging my feet terribly over a 701 that I feel is a fairly good
>match
>for my needs. It fails in that it is plans built and therfore registered as
>a BULA (Canada regs).
>
>It appears to be well built and I guess I could get over not being able to
>carry passengers. I am concerned about the motor. It is a VW with a PSRU. I
>wonder if this is a good choice. the builder indicates that it is a 1600
>and
>I'm wondering if it is powerful enough even for a 701.
>
>It is not quite finished and has not flown. Some of you in Ontario might be
>familiar with it. Any insights will be appreciated.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL VNE, again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Gary,
I appreciate your comment on VNE. It does bring up an old question
for me: Does it make any sense to wear a parachute in a plane with a
front hinged canopy? Is there any way to bail out?
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
At 03:42 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
>VNE can be flown tested in a carefully controled dive flight, with
>a very gentle recovering action, not something to do on a regular
>basis and without a chute...
>
>Saludos
>Gary Gower
>
>
>VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
>
><<<<been test flown at. You are supposed to fly your plane to a
>speed of 111% of
>Vne during phase I testing to establish the safe operting limits of the
>airframe.>>>>
>
>Are you sure about that? What kind of an engine am I supposed to use to get
>my 601XL to 180 mph???
>
>Dave
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | New Builder: 1st question of many to come |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Renter" <beakon20@blueaero.net>
Hello,
New to the group. I have been following the group for a few months now.
And finally decided to take the plunge. Have been looking at the zodiac
for a few years, actually the HDS and was planning on that. However cane
across an untouched XL tail kit, plans, etc to start and couldn't turn
down.
My first question for the group: I purchased the plans, manuals, a
complete tail kit (new, less than a month old from the factory) from the
original owner. What do I need from that owner to transfer the ownership
(serial number) for Zenith, Mine, and of the course the FAA records. I've
contacted Zenith also in regards to this question but I thought I would
ask here also.
Any help would be appreciated. Look for a construction log online within a
month or two.
Brad
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| Subject: | Re: Form materials |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Ron,
I've been lucky to use 5-ply marine plywood as form material for both
sides and it worked great.
I could have easily made 3 more sets of ribs with them. Perhaps they're
made too good.
1/8-inch aluminum seems like a pain to me. Try the plywood, it's
faster, cheaper and will probably do
what you need. If it doesn't you can always back into the aluminum.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
rlendon@comcast.net wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
>
>Plans Builders,
>
>I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is the form
material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to laminating .125
aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more dense material you
have had good luck with?
>
>--
>Ron Lendon
>Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
>Do Not Archive
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
use maple S2S,, surfaced two sides stright line rip one edge
----- Original Message -----
From: <rlendon@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Form materials
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
>
> Plans Builders,
>
> I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is
> the form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to
> laminating .125 aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more
> dense material you have had good luck with?
>
> --
> Ron Lendon
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
> Do Not Archive
>
> Plans Builders,
>
> I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is the
> form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to
> laminating .125 aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more
> dense material you have had good luck with?
>
> --
> Ron Lendon
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Shavings in stabilizer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: chrisoz@bmail.com.au
Hi Michael,
funny you should mention this! I did exactly that last night. I was to lazy to
get the vacuum cleaner, so I turned the stabilizer around, lifted it up and
shock vigorously to get the crud out. Most of it landed on my head (first time
baldness turned out to be an advantage) and the loose top skin flapped out and
hit me on the nose with the edge. Now I don't have to emphasise the cutting
qualities of the thin sheets, enough to say it was painfull, bloody and
embarrassing. At least the cut is very straight across the nose...
My tip: use a vacuum cleaner :-)
In regards to the control torque tube, the tube is held back firmly by the
cable tension. If the cable ever breaks the second bearing is not going to do
much good I am afraid. You will have to fly the plane with electric trim then,
works quite well and I would recommend to practice that on a regular basis.
Greetings from Down Under,
Chris
do not archive
> I am about to close up my horizontal stabilizer. Before I do, I would
> appreciate any comments on the need to meticulously remove the metal
> shavings and filings that have accumulated inside. As you may
> remember, half of the skin is riveted on before the other side is
> drilled, causing lots of shavings to fall in the skeleton.
>
> Should I poke, prod, blow, brush, and vacuum out every single shaving.
> Obviously I am getting most out by turning it upside down and
> dumping, with some brushing and some blowing. But, some of them end
> up wedged in places and some just don't seem to fall out. Will they
> do any damage in the short, medium, or long term? The question is
> just how much is necessary.
>
> Thanks for all your thoughts on the matter.
>
> Michael Valentine
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: building process on fuse |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
John, I agree with Scott. I am just about where you are. I riveted the
bottom first, then the sides. I am now working on the Firewall, and plan on
riveting this when done. Something to note. ZAC beefed up the top
stiffener on the firewall on their latest revision. My kit is version 2 and
doesn't have this reinforcement. It looks like this is to react nose gear
loads. I decided to make is similar to the new version.
http://www.zodiacxl.com/Forward%20Fusealage.htm
Scott, Really good advice. I have been following your site in my build. I
certainly agree that there is always "one more thing to deal with". I amaze
at the creative ways I have mess things up. I have come to a realization.
It is usually much easier to fix than you originally think. It is good to
know that we are all just learning.
Happy building
Cheers
Matt Archer
www.zodiacxl.com
> John you are at the point in construction I found to be the most difficult
> so far. You just have to get past it. I'm sure there are several ways to
> get this done, but if you work through it, you will get it finished. No,
> it is not obvious as I think everybody who has been there will tell you.
> When you actually start riveting is up to you. In my case it was when I
> ran out of clecos. Remove, debur, clean, prime and rivet what you can and
> leave the rest in clecos until you have to move on or run out of clecos
> again.
>
> If I remember correctly, I riveted the rear fuselage and sides, then
> assembled the firewall and floor and riveted this part. Then I joined
> them together and riveted. The top longerons were next and stayed cleco'd
> for a long time while fitting the sides. The rear wing attachment was
> extremely time consuming for me. I was really careful. Yesterday I
> fitted my right wing and noticed a gap at the rear attachment point! Oh
> well, one more thing to deal with.
>
> Hang in there and it will all come together.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
>
> john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
>
> Hi list
>
> I have generally completed the tail and wings, and am
> working on the fuse.
>
> The photo guide is somewhat unclear on the process and
> order as compared to the pictures in the guide.
>
> I have the bottom of the fuse done and the rear side
> skins clecoed on. the gear channel and floor seems
> pretty obvious.
>
> My problem, is when i put the upper logerons on the
> firewall, some pictures show the skins on and some
> show them off. also, the detail regarding the main
> spare seems pretty loose.
>
> Also, are you supposed to essentially complete the
> fuse, then take it apart for deburring and corrosion
> control or can you do it as you complete each section.
>
> looking at the blowup of the fuse on the first section
> of the plans seems pretty logical, but the breakdown
> in the guide seems to jump around pretty much.]
>
> i would like to deburr and have ready each section as
> i build it, but not sure if this is the best. also,
> do most of your use the pilot holes to set up and
> immeadiately take them to the correct size.
>
> these may seem obvious to most of you, but to me they
> seem confused.
>
> one thing for sure, the next plane i build will be
> quicker and faster.
> regards
> john butterfield
> 601XL corvair
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
I use the cutout part for sinks on solid surface kitchen counter tops. I
think it is called corian or something like that. IT works better then
anything else I have laid my hands on.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
--> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
Plans Builders,
I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is
the form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to
laminating .125 aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more
dense material you have had good luck with?
--
Ron Lendon
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
Do Not Archive
Plans Builders,
I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is
the form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to
laminating .125 aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more
dense material you have had good luck with?
--
Ron Lendon
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
Do Not Archive
--
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| Subject: | Re: New Builder: 1st question of many to come |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Brad,
Congratulations, and welcome to the group.
I would guess a bill of sale and possibly the original Zenith invoice
to the first owner would be enough paperwork to satisfy even the
FAA. Of course, it is important that Zenith recognizes you as the
owner of that serial number so they provide proper support for you.
I think you will be happy with the XL. It offers higher performance
than the HDS and compatibility with the new Light Sport Aircraft
criteria. Rumor has it it has nicer flying traits than the HDS as well.
Good luck
Paul
XL wings
At 05:26 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Renter" <beakon20@blueaero.net>
>
>Hello,
>
>New to the group. I have been following the group for a few months now.
>And finally decided to take the plunge. Have been looking at the zodiac
>for a few years, actually the HDS and was planning on that. However cane
>across an untouched XL tail kit, plans, etc to start and couldn't turn
>down.
>
>My first question for the group: I purchased the plans, manuals, a
>complete tail kit (new, less than a month old from the factory) from the
>original owner. What do I need from that owner to transfer the ownership
>(serial number) for Zenith, Mine, and of the course the FAA records. I've
>contacted Zenith also in regards to this question but I thought I would
>ask here also.
>
>Any help would be appreciated. Look for a construction log online within a
>month or two.
>
>Brad
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | building process on fuse |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
The reasoning behind the beefed up top stiffener was to bring all
versions of the XL into line and only have one set of drawings, so the
changes necessary for the Sport Pilot category are updates on our plans
and the changes necessary for the ELSA? ALUA?( I'm Canadian and still
can't figure out which is which yet) that will be used for flight
instruction will be an update on our plans. SO if you have ever been in
a circuit behind several student all learning about the term wheel
barrowing then you can understand the need for Zenith to beef up the
stiffener. For the rest of us the old version is just fine and has been
used trouble free since the start of the Zodiac series. Not the same can
be said for the 701. Changes were necessary on that model, since it was
originally designed for a 503 2 stroke engine and people were hanging
Subaru's and 912's. Therefore, changes were necessary to accommodate the
heavier engines.
So end result change is not necessary for the majority of us and it
would likely just add unwanted weight. But If you plan or have a history
of 1 wheel landings then by all means add the stiffeners it won't hurt
anything.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
John, I agree with Scott. I am just about where you are. I riveted
the
bottom first, then the sides. I am now working on the Firewall, and
plan on
riveting this when done. Something to note. ZAC beefed up the top
stiffener on the firewall on their latest revision. My kit is version 2
and
doesn't have this reinforcement. It looks like this is to react nose
gear
loads. I decided to make is similar to the new version.
http://www.zodiacxl.com/Forward%20Fusealage.htm
Scott, Really good advice. I have been following your site in my build.
I
certainly agree that there is always "one more thing to deal with". I
amaze
at the creative ways I have mess things up. I have come to a
realization.
It is usually much easier to fix than you originally think. It is good
to
know that we are all just learning.
Happy building
Cheers
Matt Archer
www.zodiacxl.com
> John you are at the point in construction I found to be the most
difficult
> so far. You just have to get past it. I'm sure there are several
ways to
> get this done, but if you work through it, you will get it finished.
No,
> it is not obvious as I think everybody who has been there will tell
you.
> When you actually start riveting is up to you. In my case it was when
I
> ran out of clecos. Remove, debur, clean, prime and rivet what you can
and
> leave the rest in clecos until you have to move on or run out of
clecos
> again.
>
> If I remember correctly, I riveted the rear fuselage and sides, then
> assembled the firewall and floor and riveted this part. Then I joined
> them together and riveted. The top longerons were next and stayed
cleco'd
> for a long time while fitting the sides. The rear wing attachment was
> extremely time consuming for me. I was really careful. Yesterday I
> fitted my right wing and noticed a gap at the rear attachment point!
Oh
> well, one more thing to deal with.
>
> Hang in there and it will all come together.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
>
> john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
>
> Hi list
>
> I have generally completed the tail and wings, and am
> working on the fuse.
>
> The photo guide is somewhat unclear on the process and
> order as compared to the pictures in the guide.
>
> I have the bottom of the fuse done and the rear side
> skins clecoed on. the gear channel and floor seems
> pretty obvious.
>
> My problem, is when i put the upper logerons on the
> firewall, some pictures show the skins on and some
> show them off. also, the detail regarding the main
> spare seems pretty loose.
>
> Also, are you supposed to essentially complete the
> fuse, then take it apart for deburring and corrosion
> control or can you do it as you complete each section.
>
> looking at the blowup of the fuse on the first section
> of the plans seems pretty logical, but the breakdown
> in the guide seems to jump around pretty much.]
>
> i would like to deburr and have ready each section as
> i build it, but not sure if this is the best. also,
> do most of your use the pilot holes to set up and
> immeadiately take them to the correct size.
>
> these may seem obvious to most of you, but to me they
> seem confused.
>
> one thing for sure, the next plane i build will be
> quicker and faster.
> regards
> john butterfield
> 601XL corvair
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki Samuri Alternator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
I think I would just go to AutoZone and get another one or at least have
that one tested. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Suzuki Samuri Alternator
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Hi guys. The above alt is used on a lot of homebuilts and yesterday in
> the pattern the waring light would come on intermittently.
>
> I am assuming it's a worn brush issue...Anyone know if you can buy
> replacement brushes for these things??
>
> Thanks
>
> Frank
>
> HDS/Stratus with Ram heads 382 hours
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Waterborne finish |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
Been looking ahead to painting. I ran across 2 waterborne paint system. AFS and
Sherwin Williams. Has anyone had any experience with these. They look interesting.
And maybe easier that traditional finishes. They claim to be just
as good.
http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/
Doing more thinking today than building
Cheers
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <momanpop@marshallnet.com>
Can anyone tell me where to find a Subaru conversion intake manifold to fit a bing
carburetor? Thanks Robert Tichy
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 10/30/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
GO TO WWW.VANSAIRFORCE.NET, DOUG HAS A LIST OF PAINT SHOPS THAT RV OWNERS
HAVE USED AND A RATING SYSTEM FOR EACH SHOP! BUT $5000.00 SOUNDS ABOUT
RIGHT FOR A PROFESSIONAL JOB.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for paint shops? Any
>>> estimates on what
>>> it will cost? Any place east of the great divide would be ok.
>
> The airport at Mena Arkansas has several paint shops that are pretty well
> thought of nationwide and they all have webs sites. Google-- Mena Aircraft
> paint -- and you will find the links.
>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 601XL - Torque Rod Stop Ring |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
Thanks Scott. Once again, common sense prevails after a few choice comments
from nice folks like you!
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL - Torque Rod Stop Ring
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Paul:
The elevator tension keeps it back. Just like the bungee on the nose fork
has no stop or "keeper" on the front. Not necessary. You will see when you
install your elevator cables. There is plenty tension there and sliding the
torque tube forward is an non-issue.
For the flap hole - it can be moved to suit your installation. It is
supposed to be slotted anyway so you will have to move and expand the slot
as needed with the nylon insert.
Good luck,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Paul Moore <pmoore505@msn.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore"
2 XL questions for those in the know:
The torque rod for the control yoke has a stop ring on the end just in front
of the front spar carry-through to keep the rod from exiting out the back of
the bearings. It sure seems like there should be a second one to keep it
from moving forward as well but nothing on the plans shows one. There are 4"
to 5" of travel available there, unless the aileron and elevator cable
tension is enough keep it pulled back tight. Did anyone add a second ring
either behind the front bearing or behind the rear one?
On the flap actuator torque rod bearings, there is only one way the big
bearing holes can be positioned in the bearing while honoring the edge
distances, etc.
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>Can anyone tell me where to find a Subaru conversion intake manifold to
>fit a bing carburetor? Thanks Robert Tichy
You could buy one from Stratus
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3/4 inch Multi-density Fiberboard (MDF). Get it at home depot. I did make my
nose rib blocks out of Red Oak because of the number of ribs they would need
to make and the tight radius on the nose, but probably would have been fine
with MDF. Unless you plan on a production run of more than 10 planes a week
MDF will work fine. Just get started and have fun!
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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Plans Builders,
I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is the
form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to laminating
.125 aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more dense material
you have had good luck with?
--
Ron Lendon
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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Plans Builders,
I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is the
form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to laminating
.125 aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more dense material
you have had good luck with?
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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Mark,
That may also be a way to save a little money. Now where did I see that cabinet
shop? The MDF that Carlos mentioned also looks pretty good.
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket"
>
> I use the cutout part for sinks on solid surface kitchen counter tops. I
> think it is called corian or something like that. IT works better then
> anything else I have laid my hands on.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
> -----Original Message-----
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
>
> Plans Builders,
>
> I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is
> the form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to
> laminating .125 aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more
> dense material you have had good luck with?
>
> --
> Ron Lendon
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
>
>
> Plans Builders,
>
> I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is
> the form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to
> laminating .125 aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more
> dense material you have had good luck with?
>
>
> --
> Ron Lendon
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
> >
>
> --
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> 10/28/2005
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> 10/28/2005
>
>
>
>
>
>
Mark,
That may also be a way to save a little money.Now where did I see that cabinet
shop?The MDF that Carlos mentioned also looks pretty good.
--
Ron Lendon
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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-- Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <ZODIEROCKET@HSFX.CA>
I use the cutout part for sinks on solid surface kitchen counter tops. I
think it is called corian or something like that. IT works better then
anything else I have laid my hands on.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
-- Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
Plans Builders,
I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is
the form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to
laminating .125 aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more <BR
> dense material you have had good luck with?
--
Ron Lendon
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
Plans Builders,
I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is
the form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to
laminating .125 aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more
dense material you have had good luck with?
--
Ron Lendon
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Thanks very much for the comment Grant.
Rusty (cancelled my Sonex kit order today...)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
I flew a friend's XL with the Rotax 912s and averaged an honest 130+ mph
over a 6 hour day approximately. This was using a constant speed prop and a
power setting of 25" MP and 5,000 rpm at 2,000 to 3,000 asl. Ave. fuel
consumption was somewhere around 5.5usgph as I recall. I think the entire
story is linked at the 601.org website.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
I remember this from awhile back. From the Archives: Message: #33693
http://smartshoppersinc.com/
It's a paint kit.
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo"
>
> Been looking ahead to painting. I ran across 2 waterborne paint system. AFS
> and Sherwin Williams. Has anyone had any experience with these. They look
> interesting. And maybe easier that traditional finishes. They claim to be just
> as good.
>
> http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/
>
> Doing more thinking today than building
>
> Cheers
>
> Matt
> www.zodiacxl.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
I remember this from awhile back. From the Archives:
Message:
#33693
http://smartshoppersinc.com/
It's a paint kit.
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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-- Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt Jo" <ARCHERMJ@SWBELL.NET>
Been looking ahead to painting. I ran across 2 waterborne paint system. AFS
and Sherwin Williams. Has anyone had any experience with these. They look
interesting. And maybe easier that traditional finishes. They claim to be just
as good.
http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/
Doing more thinking today than building
Cheers
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
p; Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
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Thanks for the reply. Is there a specific link for stratus?
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Subject: Re: Zenith-List: subaru manifold
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@ciaccess.com>
At 10:22 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: <momanpop@marshallnet.com>
>
>Can anyone tell me where to find a Subaru conversion intake manifold to
>fit a bing carburetor? Thanks Robert Tichy
You could buy one from Stratus
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
That's the way I will go. MDF.
I did make one rib form for the Stabilizer out of Plywood and it had gaps right
where I needed edge radius. Right then I new there had to be a better way.
This list is really gonna help.
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds"
>
> 3/4 inch Multi-density Fiberboard (MDF). Get it at home depot. I did make my
> nose rib blocks out of Red Oak because of the number of ribs they would need
> to make and the tight radius on the nose, but probably would have been fine
> with MDF. Unless you plan on a production run of more than 10 planes a week
> MDF will work fine. Just get started and have fun!
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> rlendon@comcast.net
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Form materials
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
>
> Plans Builders,
>
> I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is the
> form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to laminating
> .125 aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more dense material
> you have had good luck with?
>
> --
> Ron Lendon
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
> Do Not Archive
>
> Plans Builders,
>
> I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is the
> form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to laminating
> .125 aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more dense material
> you have had good luck with?
>
>
> --
> Ron Lendon
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
That's the way I will go. MDF.
I did make one rib form for the Stabilizer out of Plywood and it had gaps right
where I needed edge radius. Right then I new there had to be a better way.
This list is really gonna help.
--
Ron Lendon
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
Do Not Archive
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <KEVINBONDS@COMCAST.NET>
3/4 inch Multi-density Fiberboard (MDF). Get it at home depot. I did make my
nose rib blocks out of Red Oak because of the number of ribs they would need
to make and the tight radius on the nose, but probably would have been fine
with MDF. Unless you plan on a production run of more than 10 planes a week
MDF will work fine. Just get started and have fun!
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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rom: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
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rlendon@comcast.net
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Form materials
-- Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
Plans Builders,
I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is the
form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to laminating
.125 aluminum to the plywood form. Is there some other, more dense material
you have had good luck with?
--
Ron Lendon
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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Plans Builders,
I have my plans and have made a materials list. The question I have is the
form material (Plywood?) or something more durable? CH refers to laminating
.125 aluminum to the pl
ywood form. Is there some other, more dense material
you have had good luck with?
--
Ron Lendon
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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