Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:00 AM - Folding Bike (Grant Corriveau)
2. 05:47 AM - Re: XL Headroom questions again (Edward Moody II)
3. 05:55 AM - Re: ch701 flyer (Edward Moody II)
4. 09:13 AM - Re: CH 601 HDS Tire Pressures (Leo Corbalis)
5. 09:25 AM - Re: ch701 flyer (doug kandle)
6. 01:48 PM - Re: 601XL Brake Problems (Lance Gingell)
7. 04:45 PM - Free at last! (William J. Naumuk)
8. 06:46 PM - Re: Folding Bike & belly pod (Kevin Thorp)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> My interest is finding a kitplane that can carry two folding bikes.
> I've seen some 20" bikes that handled well and weigh less than 25 lbs.
> The folded dimensions are 11" x 22" x 33". Unfortunately two are
> probably not going to fit in a 601 or 701. Definitely no problem in the
> 801.
I would also like to carry two folding bikes, so I found the report
interesting. I wonder if there's a way to construct a belly pod that would
do the trick for at least one bike - preferrably both. Belly pods are
popular items in many bush/mission planes. Has anyone ever seen such a
thing added to a 601? OR has anyone found a way to fit 2 bikes in the wing
lockers? OR found a way to hide a second bike inside the fuselage?
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: XL Headroom questions again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
They are obviously snowbirds if they crave a sauna that badly. From the
gulf coast perspective, I agree with the people of colonial India..... Only
mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun. Now we can add "sit on the
ground with the canopy closed".
Ed
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XL Headroom questions again
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
> Hi Bill
>
> Funny enough I do remember these two. And yes the hat was large, but
> they wanted to sit inside a static plane and lower the canopy on the
> hottest day.
>
> Mark Townsend
> Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
> president@can-zacaviation.com
> www.can-zacaviation.com
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries <vair601@yahoo.com>
>
> Rusty,
> I haven't rang in on this yet however just one more note to throw at ya.
> My friend and I were at Oshkosh this year as usual and opted to sit in
> the 601 on display. I'm 5'11" and Alan is 6'2", he was wearing an EAA
> Panama grass hat which towers another 4" above his stature. Anyway he
> went to remove his hat and Matt Townsend told him to leave it on and
> there was 2" of clearance to the canopy.
>
> Hope that helps, Bill Jeffries
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> 11/2/2005
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
For what it's worth, you don't have to slip a tire far enough to clip off
the valve stem to be a problem. In fact, I've never seen a stem actually cut
off. What I have seen is this: Th etire "walks" or "slips" until the stem is
put in a bind. Then the leak will occur on the inner surface of the tube
near the stem. It happened to me on both of my main gear tires on an UL (435
pounds empty). Then again, it's easy for me to live with higher inflation
pressure because I fly from a smooth concrete runway. To each his own but
monitor the position and angle of your valve stems closely.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Crook" <ronflys701@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: ch701 flyer
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Crook" <ronflys701@hotmail.com>
>
> I also run low pressure 10-15 lbs makes the lumps softer and haven t spun
> a
> tire on a rim in 3 years.l Its possible to break off the valve stem if the
> tires spin ..Keep and eye out!
>
>
>>From: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
>>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH 601 HDS Tire Pressures
>>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:36:03 -0600
>>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
>>
>>I fly from my pasture runway in my 701. I have 10 lbs. in the main tires
>>and 5 lbs. in the nose wheel, really smoothes out the runway. In other
>>words, tires and tire pressure must consider where you will be flying to
>>and
>>from.
>>Chuck D.
>>N701TX
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH 601 HDS Tire Pressures
>>
>>
>> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II"
>> > <dredmoody@cox.net>
>> >
>> > Hi Jeff,
>> >
>> > Regarding aircraft tires, we use the smallest tires that we can get by
>>with
>> > on the airplane because we don't want more weight than we absolutely
>>have
>>to
>> > have. Taking that a step farther, I advise keeping them close to
>> > maximum
>> > inflation pressure and let landing technique soften up the brick
>>feeling.
>> >
>> > As winter sets in and average temperatures drop, physics (Charles' Law,
>> > Boyle's Law?) requires you to add air to maintain that pressure. If you
>>are
>> > keeping too much pressure in your tires, you will see more wear in the
>> > middle. If they are too soft, they will wear more at the edges. The
>>maximum
>> > recommended pressure for a stated maximum weight (per tire) is written
>>on
>> > the tire. Even if you are a lot lighter than the maximum load allowed,
>> > I
>> > would stay around 90% of maximum recommended pressure.
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > Do Not Archive
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: <jeffglass@starband.net>
>> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> > Subject: Zenith-List: CH 601 HDS Tire Pressures
>> >
>> >
>> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: <jeffglass@starband.net>
>> > >
>> > > Here's a stupid one... I just replaced all three tires and tubes on
>>my
>> > > HDS. I used the standard Namco tires, 4.80-8, with tubes, and I put
>>40
>> > > lbs. of pressure in each tire. When I flew it this AM it felt like I
>>was
>> > > landing on a couple of bricks. I talked to Roger and he said 35-40
>>lbs.
>> > > sounded about right, but just go for what feels good to you. OK!
>>Tell
>> > > me, what feels good to you? BTW, I normally fly close to or at gross
>> > > weight.
>> > > Any thoughts on proper pressures with winter coming on?
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Jeff Glasserow
>> > > CH 601 HDS
>> > > N6384E
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: CH 601 HDS Tire Pressures |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Me too. I just replaced my tires and the old ones are worn smooth all across
the tread width.
Leo Corbalis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH 601 HDS Tire Pressures
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
>
> Chris Heinz says "inflate so that the tire is one third depressed". About
> 25 lbs for me.
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
A lot of the people around here with LSA type planes put sheet metal
screws into their wheels at the rim. The screws are just long enough
to go into the tire bead about 1/4 or 1/8 inch. I've asked several
pilots about this approach, and they tell me it is an old motorcycle
racing trick. It does seem to work and I haven't spoken with anyone
that has had a problem caused by the screws.
At 06:54 AM 11/5/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
The tire "walks" or "slips" until the stem is
put in a bind. Then the leak will occur on the inner surface of the tube
near the stem. It happened to me on both of my main gear tires on an UL (435
pounds empty).
Do not archive
Doug Kandle
CH701
Boise ID
Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done Working on Wings
From complete kit
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| Subject: | RE: 601XL Brake Problems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Bill,
Did you ever check these Grove suggestions out on your airplane? I'm
reasonably sure my pushrod travels all the way in the cylinder, but I
haven't really taken a good look at it...
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
Subject: 601XL Brake Problems
Lance and other Thread Friends, on the brakes making a ton of
noise I finally
spoke with a tech support fellow from Grove, named Robbie, nice
guy. After
going over the particulars he concluded that the problem was
most likely in the
master cylinders. Especially because the noise returned
immediately after
letting up on the peddle pressure. He had two suggestions:
First, see if the vent
holes at the top of the puck are open (or even there) as air is
supposed to
come in above the fluid in the puck and without a vent hole of
some type the
system will not relax. Second, check to see if the push rod from
the master
cylinders travels all the way up as it is supposed to open a
release valve that
will allow the calipers to remain near the disc so rattle is
none existent or
minimal. Have not checked either solution yet, but will tomorrow
and I will
report, best regards, Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
All-
This is a red-letter day for me. I finally "Re-built" myself out of the hole
and can actually make forward progress. From my log-
2/21/03-8/16/03- When I realized that I'd just trashed the elevator skin, I
quit. In six months I'd managed to terminally screw up both outboard wings, the
rudder, and the elevator of my HDS kit.
8/16/03-3/21/04- The scrap collected dust in my basement, and my "Better half"
was anything but. Tried to sell the remains with no luck. Decided to try and
undo the damage I'd done.
3/21/04-6/31/04- Bought a Zenith replacement elevator skin and managed to do
a good job of completing the elevator- trim tab and all.
7/1/04-7/14/05- "Scratch re-built" the left outboard wing with lots of help
from Larry Mac. The only original parts left are the sheet metal portion of the
spar, and the spar L angles. Spent as much time building forms, presses, and
jigs as anything else.
7/14/05-10/23/05- "Scratch re-built" the right outboard wing. In addition to
the original parts listed for the left wing, I was able to salvage 3 trailing
edge ribs. Also installed landing lights after adapting some drawings and pictures
supplied by Jeff Small. Spent 80% of the light installation time researching
and drawing in AutoCad.
10/24/05-11/5/05- Re-skinned the rudder. 6 of these days were spent waiting
for UPS to deliver materials.
As you can see, I'm getting ahead of the learning curve. Hopefully, I've also
broken the "Scrap barrier".
Bill
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Folding Bike & belly pod |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Thorp <kevin@medamation.com>
According to the Zenith web site the HD wing lockers are 20" x 20" x
10". Way too small for a folding bike. I assume the wing lockers for
the XL aren't as deep.
I've never heard of a belly pod on a 601. It would help keep the CG
within range.
Grant Corriveau wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
>
>
>>My interest is finding a kitplane that can carry two folding bikes.
>>I've seen some 20" bikes that handled well and weigh less than 25 lbs.
>>The folded dimensions are 11" x 22" x 33". Unfortunately two are
>>probably not going to fit in a 601 or 701. Definitely no problem in the
>>801.
>>
>>
>
>I would also like to carry two folding bikes, so I found the report
>interesting. I wonder if there's a way to construct a belly pod that would
>do the trick for at least one bike - preferrably both. Belly pods are
>popular items in many bush/mission planes. Has anyone ever seen such a
>thing added to a 601? OR has anyone found a way to fit 2 bikes in the wing
>lockers? OR found a way to hide a second bike inside the fuselage?
>
>
>
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