Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:55 AM - Re: Table plans (Kevin Thorp)
2. 03:57 AM - Re: Engine Failures (Frank Roskind)
3. 05:46 AM - Re: Table plans (Jean-Paul Roy)
4. 06:18 AM - Hinge Rubbing? (Michael Valentine)
5. 06:31 AM - Re: 701 Babbage Area Ideas (Larry)
6. 07:58 AM - Safety / Wives??? (John Hines)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Randy L. Thwing)
8. 08:44 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Randy L. Thwing)
9. 08:45 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Randy L. Thwing)
10. 08:46 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Randy L. Thwing)
11. 08:46 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Randy L. Thwing)
12. 08:46 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Randy L. Thwing)
13. 08:47 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Randy L. Thwing)
14. 08:50 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Al Young)
15. 08:50 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Randy L. Thwing)
16. 08:52 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Randy L. Thwing)
17. 08:53 AM - Re: 701 Babbage Area Ideas (Dabusmith@aol.com)
18. 08:55 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Randy L. Thwing)
19. 08:55 AM - Re: Engine Failures, Cause of accidents? (Gary Gower)
20. 08:59 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
21. 08:59 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Carlos Sa)
22. 09:04 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (William Dominguez)
23. 09:05 AM - Re: 701 Babbage Area Ideas (NYTerminat@aol.com)
24. 09:08 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
25. 09:09 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (N5SL)
26. 09:20 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (doug kandle)
27. 09:21 AM - Apology for inconvenience (Randy L. Thwing)
28. 09:24 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Clyde Barcus)
29. 09:32 AM - Re: Apology for inconvenience (John Hines)
30. 09:58 AM - Re: Apology for inconvenience (Keith Ashcraft)
31. 10:15 AM - Corvair (John Hines)
32. 10:18 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
33. 10:46 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Paul Mulwitz)
34. 11:11 AM - Re: Table plans (kevinbonds)
35. 11:19 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (kevinbonds)
36. 11:19 AM - Re: Corvair (Craig Payne)
37. 11:20 AM - Re: Corvair (William Dominguez)
38. 11:34 AM - Re: Corvair (Daniel Vandenberg)
39. 11:50 AM - Re: Corvair (Randy Stout)
40. 12:11 PM - Re: Corvair (Randy Culp)
41. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: Safety / Wives??? ()
42. 12:28 PM - Re: Re: Safety / Wives??? ()
43. 12:40 PM - Re: Corvair (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
44. 12:46 PM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Thomas Boehmer)
45. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: Safety / Wives??? ()
46. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: Safety / Wives??? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
47. 12:56 PM - 701 Firewall Drwg 7-F-7 (Tommy Walker)
48. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Safety / Wives??? ()
49. 01:14 PM - Fuel Sender CH701 (doug kandle)
50. 01:16 PM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
51. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Safety / Wives??? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
52. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Safety / Wives??? (Eddie Seve)
53. 01:39 PM - Re: Wives??? Sorry Guys I'm too dam Lucky! (Zodie Rocket)
54. 02:00 PM - Re: Re: Safety/Wives??? (Tommy Walker)
55. 02:12 PM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Randy L. Thwing)
56. 02:18 PM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Randy L. Thwing)
57. 02:18 PM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Randy L. Thwing)
58. 02:25 PM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Beckman, Rick)
59. 03:21 PM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (William J. Naumuk)
60. 03:38 PM - Static Ports for 701 (ray.stlaurent@vsea.com)
61. 03:40 PM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Gary A. Boothe)
62. 03:45 PM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Larry McFarland)
63. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Safety / Wives??? (William J. Naumuk)
64. 03:59 PM - Re: Corvair (Larry McFarland)
65. 04:30 PM - kit (Rodney Mills)
66. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: Safety / Wives??? ()
67. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Safety / Wives??? ()
68. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: Wives??? Sorry Guys I'm too dam Lucky! (Ron Crook)
69. 06:10 PM - Use good tools (Ron Lendon)
70. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: Safety / Wives??? (Steve Hulland)
71. 06:31 PM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (William J. Naumuk)
72. 06:34 PM - Re: Corvair (Daniel Dempsey)
73. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Safety / Wives??? (William J. Naumuk)
74. 07:42 PM - Re: Apology for inconvenience (William Jeffries)
75. 07:55 PM - Re: 701 Babbage Area Ideas (Larry)
76. 08:23 PM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (kevinbonds)
77. 08:55 PM - Re: kit (kevinbonds)
78. 09:25 PM - Re: 701 Firewall Drwg 7-F-7 (NYTerminat@aol.com)
79. 11:26 PM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Richard Hutson)
80. 11:27 PM - Re: Re: Safety / Wives??? (Richard Hutson)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Thorp <kevin@medamation.com>
It looks like Jim Pensinger built a very handy table:
http://www.tn004.com/N250JP.htm
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Paul
>>Roy
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Table plans
>>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy"
>><jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
>>
>>Good day everyone. A few weeks ago, while surfing on the net abnout CH
>>701,
>>I came across a site with a very detailed plan for a work table.
>>Unfortunatly I had a bad computer crash and I lost the link to that
>>site.
>>It also has a lot of commentary pertaining to the eight of the table (33
>>inches if I recall) and so on. I know there is one on CH701 but not as
>>complete as the one I'm searching for.
>>Is there a good soul on this site that could help me.
>>
>>Jean-Paul Roy
>>soon to be a 701 builder
>>Do not archive
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Failures |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Roskind" <frankroskind@hotmail.com>
Accident analysis is a tough business. The reports give you frequency, and
occasional insights into causation, but there is a lot at play, not the
least of which is the pilot. A few years back, circa 1982 (+-4 years), I
was looking at one of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
publications, and noticed there was a significant difference in the safety
records of the Chevy Caprice/Impala and the Oldsmobile 88, even though the
cars were as nearly identical in mechanical componenets as two cars with
different trim could be. The Olds was considerably safer. Obviously there
was a difference in the drivers, or their environment. Olds were more
expensive, so maybe their owners lived in better areas. A similar effect
might occur in aviation where the Maule has a relatively poor safety record
and the 172 has a great one. Aside from landing gear issues, the Maule is
more likely to be flown for money, and under situations where the pilot
can't say no to a trip. Extending that to the RV compared to the Zenith,
the RV has more cross country capability, and is much more likely to be
flown into adverse weather because of that use. Further, most RV pilots
(not all, by any means) I have met think they are undiscovered Bob Hoovers.
This can't help with their safety record. In short, any safety analyst
will tell you that the most important component is the nut right behind the
wheel.
From: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine Failures
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
Mike,
Fully agree. It would be a complex analytical test, even if the data was
available, which it isn't.
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
jim@sportsplanes.com
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Mike Fortunato <rsq2424@yahoo.com>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fortunato <rsq2424@yahoo.com>
>
>
>> How many 601's have Rotax engines and how many have
>> Suburu's is the next thing we need to really better
>> understand which engine is less reliable than the
>> other.
>
>IMO, I'm not sure anything productive could be gained
>by such an analysis, unless more details on what
>constituted an "engine failure" could be made
>available. Was it the fuel system? Electrical? Or an
>intergral engine component? The data would have to be
>far more detailed in order to make any kind of useful
>conclusions.
>
>Mike Fortunato
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>
Sent via the WebMail system at Engage IT
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
Jean-Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Thorp" <kevin@medamation.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Table plans
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Thorp <kevin@medamation.com>
>
> It looks like Jim Pensinger built a very handy table:
>
> http://www.tn004.com/N250JP.htm
>
>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Paul
> >>Roy
> >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Zenith-List: Table plans
> >>
> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy"
> >><jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
> >>
> >>Good day everyone. A few weeks ago, while surfing on the net abnout CH
> >>701,
> >>I came across a site with a very detailed plan for a work table.
> >>Unfortunatly I had a bad computer crash and I lost the link to that
> >>site.
> >>It also has a lot of commentary pertaining to the eight of the table (33
> >>inches if I recall) and so on. I know there is one on CH701 but not as
> >>complete as the one I'm searching for.
> >>Is there a good soul on this site that could help me.
> >>
> >>Jean-Paul Roy
> >>soon to be a 701 builder
> >>Do not archive
> >>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com>
I am installing my elevator hinge. I have already attached it to the stab,
so this question may be too late, but I am curious about how tight one can
install it to the front spar/fold of the elevator. If you put the hinge snug
against the curve of the spar, won't it rub as it moves? More importantly,
perhaps, will it rub (and maybe wear) in a way that should be avoided? I am
only talking about the hinge itself rubbing (or the half of the hinge that
is riveted to the stab), not the actual elevator hitting or rubbing.
Thanks, Michael Valentine
Please copy your reply to me off list - I only get the digest version of the
list once a day!
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Babbage Area Ideas |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
There is a couple of scratch 701 builders in Hot Springs, Arkansas who put a
divider half way back in the baggage area and made an outside access door.
Looks goods and a good place to carry stinky stuff like funnels, oil can and
even an extra gas can.
I used eight eye-bolts and plan to getting a net of some sort. But I will
still have the problem of carrying my test bottle and water separator funnel
inside the cabin because they smell like gas. So I will at some time build
a belly pod.
Just a little update on my own plane status. First I am waiting on the air
brush work on and cowling. And second I can't seem to get a wing tank gas
leak stopped. I accidentally drilled a hole of two in my plastic tanks and
no matter what I use, epoxy, plastic repair or whatever, they always seem to
start leading again, so, I am going to pull all four tanks and make my own
fiberglass ones. I also had one of the poly lines split, so I am
re-plumbing the entire aircraft fuel lines with high pressure fuel injection
line. I am going to fix it once and far all.
The engine runs great, I have 3 hours on it with no problems.
Larry, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: <JERICKSON03E@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Babbage Area Ideas
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
>
> Are there any useful ideas for building into the baggage area, things that
> have worked out well, or things that you wish were there now?
>
> My 701 is at the stage where features can be added easily. So far just a
> few
> hard points for straps.
>
> Mine is the large baggage area, open front, is there a good way to close
> it
> up?
>
> Jerry, CH 701 SP about 85%
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Safety / Wives??? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem has been convincing my wife
that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on the side makes her very
nervous. She is nervous enough when it doesn't say experimental. I
don't even have my license yet and I have a fairly limited budget. I
almost bought a Piper Colt but then started looking at the operating and
maintenance costs. With 8gph plus maintenance plus fabric...it aint
cheap. I'm also betting my life on 60 year old technology and a 55 year
old airframe. I'm a big guy and don't fit very well in it. And the
biggest thing is that it's ugly!! The 601 has nice sleek lines. It will
cost a little more money than a Colt and it will take time. But I like
building things. The satisfaction I would get from flying a plane I
built would be incredible. If I could just get my wife to see that.
She is reluctantly on board at this point but she rolls her eyes a lot
and says "why do you have to get an experimental plane?" My birthday is
tomorrow and she has agreed to send me to the builder's clinic at the
Zenith factory in January. How did you guys get your wives completely
on board?
John Hines
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| Subject: | Re: Safety / Wives??? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
How did you guys get your wives completely
on board?
This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as to
how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings, most
of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time, wife
must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your strategy
and try to figure out how you went awry..............
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing,
Las Vegas, NV
Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
How did you guys get your wives completely
on board?
This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as to
how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings, most
of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time, wife
must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your strategy
and try to figure out how you went awry..............
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing,
Las Vegas, NV
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
How did you guys get your wives completely
on board?
This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as to
how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings, most
of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time, wife
must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your strategy
and try to figure out how you went awry..............
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing,
Las Vegas, NV
Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
How did you guys get your wives completely
on board?
This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as to
how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings, most
of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time, wife
must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your strategy
and try to figure out how you went awry..............
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing,
Las Vegas, NV
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
How did you guys get your wives completely
on board?
This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as to
how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings, most
of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time, wife
must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your strategy
and try to figure out how you went awry..............
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing,
Las Vegas, NV
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
How did you guys get your wives completely
on board?
This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as to
how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings, most
of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time, wife
must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your strategy
and try to figure out how you went awry..............
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing,
Las Vegas, NV
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
How did you guys get your wives completely
on board?
This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as to
how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings, most
of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time, wife
must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your strategy
and try to figure out how you went awry..............
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing,
Las Vegas, NV
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| Subject: | Re: Safety / Wives??? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
John- Welcome to the club!! Looking back 3 1/2 years+ I was confronted
with the same thing. first- Take your wife to the rudder workshop with you.
Have Roger take her up in the company XL for just a short flight. Let her
help build the rudder, pull a few rivets etc. After you build the rudder,
and before you leave Mexico, MO get her to let you order the rest of the
tail kit to take home with you. Find some local 601 or 701 builders near
your home and go with your wife to visit their projects, meet there wives,
(pre screen before visits for attitude, enthusiasm etc.) If after all this,
she is still not on board, there is only one thing to do- Divorce. Just
kidding John, good luck.
Al Young
601XL- N601AY
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
How did you guys get your wives completely
on board?
This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as to
how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings, most
of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time, wife
must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your strategy
and try to figure out how you went awry..............
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing,
Las Vegas, NV
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
How did you guys get your wives completely
on board?
This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as to
how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings, most
of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time, wife
must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your strategy
and try to figure out how you went awry..............
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing,
Las Vegas, NV
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Babbage Area Ideas |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
Jerry
I really like the glove box Van's sells for around $30. It is really nice.
All predrilled. Worth the money. Eventually I plan to put one on the aft side
of the rear bulkhead of my baggage compartment. The door on the outside and
the hinge fwd. I would like a place for sump tool and fuel stick. I really like
the full baggage area for camping. It really is surprising how much room
there is.
Dave Smith
N701XL 912ULS 500Hrs
PS. Replaced my rubber engine mounts. They were worn more than I expected.
Still solid with no cracking, but pretty well hammered stiff. I think 500hrs is
all we can expect from these.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
How did you guys get your wives completely
on board?
This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as to
how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings, most
of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time, wife
must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your strategy
and try to figure out how you went awry..............
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing,
Las Vegas, NV
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Failures, Cause of accidents? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I have learned that reading, helped by experience, is the # 1 mentor in our life.
There is an article, that was added by Mr Leighton Collins, in the great book
"Stick and Rudder" that we all shoud read at least once a year.... The name
of the article is "The Dangers of the Air".
If you dont want to read all the book, because you already know how to fly :-)
at least read this article. A must for low hours new pilots...
Hope you enjoy, fly safe....
Saludos
Gary Gower
Frank Roskind <frankroskind@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Roskind"
Accident analysis is a tough business. The reports give you frequency, and
occasional insights into causation, but there is a lot at play, not the
least of which is the pilot. A few years back, circa 1982 (+-4 years), I
was looking at one of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
publications, and noticed there was a significant difference in the safety
records of the Chevy Caprice/Impala and the Oldsmobile 88, even though the
cars were as nearly identical in mechanical componenets as two cars with
different trim could be. The Olds was considerably safer. Obviously there
was a difference in the drivers, or their environment. Olds were more
expensive, so maybe their owners lived in better areas. A similar effect
might occur in aviation where the Maule has a relatively poor safety record
and the 172 has a great one. Aside from landing gear issues, the Maule is
more likely to be flown for money, and under situations where the pilot
can't say no to a trip. Extending that to the RV compared to the Zenith,
the RV has more cross country capability, and is much more likely to be
flown into adverse weather because of that use. Further, most RV pilots
(not all, by any means) I have met think they are undiscovered Bob Hoovers.
This can't help with their safety record. In short, any safety analyst
will tell you that the most important component is the nut right behind the
wheel.
From: "jim"
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine Failures
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim"
Mike,
Fully agree. It would be a complex analytical test, even if the data was
available, which it isn't.
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
jim@sportsplanes.com
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Mike Fortunato
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fortunato
>
>
>> How many 601's have Rotax engines and how many have
>> Suburu's is the next thing we need to really better
>> understand which engine is less reliable than the
>> other.
>
>IMO, I'm not sure anything productive could be gained
>by such an analysis, unless more details on what
>constituted an "engine failure" could be made
>available. Was it the fuel system? Electrical? Or an
>intergral engine component? The data would have to be
>far more detailed in order to make any kind of useful
>conclusions.
>
>Mike Fortunato
>
>do not archive
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>
Sent via the WebMail system at Engage IT
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
This can be one of the most difficult things to in building an airplane.
Firstly the word "experimental" is simply a class of certification. It
of course has nothing to do with the safety of the airplane (which is
largly up to you dear builder, at least if you stray from the plans).
Any airplane that crashes is investigated with the same vigour by the
NTSB no matter what its got written on the side. If there was a
fundamental flaw both the FAA and NTSB would be all over it.
Note the unexplained wing spar failure of the first RV8. There was one
hell of a lot of attention both from prospective builders and the feds
until it was put down to overloading by some rather "spirited" flying.
Economics alone, the homebuilt industry is maturing fast and in the
inernet age bad news travels quickly. If the design had a fundamental
flaw it would be known about and Zenith has a long track record with
this design.
Much of the (small) risk is really due to the average Joe building the
airplane. In other words there are no controls and nothing to stop
someone using PVC covered wire or try sucking 82 octane mogas with an
uncooled engine driven pump only from the wing tanks (AKA Russian
roulette..:). Seems to me the big risks are more to do with lack of
education of the builder/assembler than the airframe itself.
I think if you can convince your Wife that you intend to seek
knowledgable assistance and do the appropriate research you can minimise
these risks, maybe that will bring her around.
You might want to point out that Space Ship one was also registered as
an experimental. The fact there are now more experimentals being built
than certified airplanes would say there must be a good reason to go
Experimental.
One thing I would urge (and this is just a personal position) is really
try to get her on board and if you can't consider NOT building an
airplane right now. I say this because airplane building is an all
consuming hobby...Or it is if you ever want to get it finished.
To give you an idea, I don't work Fridays and my Wife likes to work in
the yard Saturdays...So I get roughly two days a week to work on my
current project. Allowing life to get in the way (like it always does) I
will have managed about 800 hours or so in a full year to work on this
thing. I am estimating about 1200 to finish and My lovely Wife is very
supportive but is right on the edge of having a hard time with my
project.
If yours is starting off where my Wife is now you may have some serious
strife in a year from now.
As A guide it took me 950hours from crate to flying my 601 HDS.
Good luck John..And remember, Experimental does not mean "experiment"!!
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hines
Subject: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
--> <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem has been convincing my wife
that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on the side makes her very
nervous. She is nervous enough when it doesn't say experimental. I
don't even have my license yet and I have a fairly limited budget. I
almost bought a Piper Colt but then started looking at the operating and
maintenance costs. With 8gph plus maintenance plus fabric...it aint
cheap. I'm also betting my life on 60 year old technology and a 55 year
old airframe. I'm a big guy and don't fit very well in it. And the
biggest thing is that it's ugly!! The 601 has nice sleek lines. It will
cost a little more money than a Colt and it will take time. But I like
building things. The satisfaction I would get from flying a plane I
built would be incredible. If I could just get my wife to see that.
She is reluctantly on board at this point but she rolls her eyes a lot
and says "why do you have to get an experimental plane?" My birthday is
tomorrow and she has agreed to send me to the builder's clinic at the
Zenith factory in January. How did you guys get your wives completely
on board?
John Hines
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
John, I'm probably part of the lucky bunch: my wife gave me the plans as a birthday
gift.
She's not impressed by airplanes (she does go flying with me on rented 152s once
in a while), but
I think she trusts my skills (c'mon, quit laughing, guys!).
(Maybe she's got her eyes on that fat life insurance?? Nah, just kiddin')
Unfortunately many (most?) people still raise eyebrows when you talk about "experimental"
aircraft. I guess it is up to us to educate them.
Carlos
do not archive
--- John Hines <John.Hines@craftontull.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
> How did you guys get your wives completely
> on board?
>
> John Hines
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
Im glad you brought this topic. Im in a similar
situation with my wife, she only have confidence in
commercial aviation. So far I have her consent but not
necessarily her support. I think it is easier for
those who where already involved in aviation by the
time they got married, not my case. My hope is time,
during the years it will take to build the plane I
hope she get a better understanding of the risk
involved and get motivated. We have no kids and that
helps a lot. I would like to hear about how others are
doing.
I have to confess that if the roles where reversed -
she going for a perceived dangerous sport I would be
acting very much like her.
William Dominguez
Plansbuilt Zodiac 601XL/Corvair
Working on shop
--- John Hines <John.Hines@craftontull.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
> <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
> I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem has
> been convincing my wife
> that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on the
> side makes her very
> nervous. She is nervous enough when it doesn't say
> experimental. I
> don't even have my license yet and I have a fairly
> limited budget. I
> almost bought a Piper Colt but then started looking
> at the operating and
> maintenance costs. With 8gph plus maintenance plus
> fabric...it aint
> cheap. I'm also betting my life on 60 year old
> technology and a 55 year
> old airframe. I'm a big guy and don't fit very well
> in it. And the
> biggest thing is that it's ugly!! The 601 has nice
> sleek lines. It will
> cost a little more money than a Colt and it will
> take time. But I like
> building things. The satisfaction I would get from
> flying a plane I
> built would be incredible. If I could just get my
> wife to see that.
> She is reluctantly on board at this point but she
> rolls her eyes a lot
> and says "why do you have to get an experimental
> plane?" My birthday is
> tomorrow and she has agreed to send me to the
> builder's clinic at the
> Zenith factory in January. How did you guys get
> your wives completely
> on board?
>
> John Hines
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
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>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
In a message dated 11/8/2005 9:32:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lrm01@centurytel.net writes:
www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
Larry how is that Hog engine working out?
Bob Spudis
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
John, hard nut to crack. I flew rented planes for years with my wife and she
never really relaxed. On the other hand, she was with me out in the shop for
the three years it took to complete my XL and she has even bragged that she
trusts our plane more that any 747 because she knows the guy who built it and
maintains it and she trust him so I hope she will embrace flying with me. I have
32.2 hours or my 40 so it will not be too long before I can test this
hypothesis. Course, you could just get her liquored up and pour her in the seat.
Worked before. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
John I feeeeel your pain!
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
John Hines <John.Hines@craftontull.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem has been convincing my wife
that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on the side makes her very
nervous.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
I don't think I have ever met anyone who has successfully converted
their spouse from person who dislikes flying to a willing flying
companion. Long before the infectious disease with the same name
existed, AIDS meant Aircraft Induced Divorce Syndrome. I feel I am
somewhat an expert in the field, having been married more than a
couple of times. My present (and hopefully my last) wife is an avid
flyer. When people tell me "you are so lucky to have a wife that
likes to fly with you" I immediately tell them that luck had nothing
to do with it. On our first flying date, I proceeded to a safe area
and height and entered a 3 turn spin. When my date said "that was
fun, do it again" I knew it was love at first flight.
The only happy pilots I know that have non-flying spouses are the
ones who have just accepted the situation, and fly with others or by
themselves. There are a lot of bitter pilots out there as a result
of this issue.
Fear/danger feelings are usually not logical (how many women will
drive down the freeway while talking on a cell phone).
Good luck
DO NOT ARCHIVE
At 08:57 AM 11/8/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
>I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem has been convincing my wife
>that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on the side makes her very
>nervous. She is nervous enough when it doesn't say experimental. I
>don't even have my license yet and I have a fairly limited budget. I
>almost bought a Piper Colt but then started looking at the operating and
>maintenance costs. With 8gph plus maintenance plus fabric...it aint
>cheap. I'm also betting my life on 60 year old technology and a 55 year
>old airframe. I'm a big guy and don't fit very well in it. And the
>biggest thing is that it's ugly!! The 601 has nice sleek lines. It will
>cost a little more money than a Colt and it will take time. But I like
>building things. The satisfaction I would get from flying a plane I
>built would be incredible. If I could just get my wife to see that.
>She is reluctantly on board at this point but she rolls her eyes a lot
>and says "why do you have to get an experimental plane?" My birthday is
>tomorrow and she has agreed to send me to the builder's clinic at the
>Zenith factory in January. How did you guys get your wives completely
>on board?
>
>John Hines
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Dear Listers:
I Apologize for the inconvenience I have caused you. It was not
intentional. My Outlook Express picked that message to go belly up. The
message will not leave the out box and was sent every time I changed
screens. My sent items folder has been wiped clean. I have shut down that
computer and am sending this from another office. Thanks to all those who
emailed me to advise. Another attempt at weak humor goes bad.
Humbly Yours,
Randy L. Thwing,
Las vegas, NV
Do not Archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
My wife agreed simply because I have dreamed about it for years and I have
always put the family first and she agrees it is my turn. My 601 XL was
purchased and picked up on our anniversary 2 years ago. She has reluctantly
agreed to fly with me and my plan is to pick locations she really wants to
visit, fly in and do what she wants while there with no complaints, in other
words, make the first few trips something of great interest to her even if I
have no interest. I will also make sure to keep segments under 3 hours and
cancel when flying will be rough. Fortunately, there are a lot of places in
this country we would both enjoy and I will add that later, hopefully after
winning her over. If it doesn't work I have sons and grandchildren that will
really enjoy flying. I don't know if it is possible to win them over
completely until after the fact, but I will give it one heck of a try.
Best of Luck
Clyde Barcus
601 XL
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
> <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
> I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem has been convincing my wife
> that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on the side makes her very
> nervous. She is nervous enough when it doesn't say experimental. I
> don't even have my license yet and I have a fairly limited budget. I
> almost bought a Piper Colt but then started looking at the operating and
> maintenance costs. With 8gph plus maintenance plus fabric...it aint
> cheap. I'm also betting my life on 60 year old technology and a 55 year
> old airframe. I'm a big guy and don't fit very well in it. And the
> biggest thing is that it's ugly!! The 601 has nice sleek lines. It will
> cost a little more money than a Colt and it will take time. But I like
> building things. The satisfaction I would get from flying a plane I
> built would be incredible. If I could just get my wife to see that.
> She is reluctantly on board at this point but she rolls her eyes a lot
> and says "why do you have to get an experimental plane?" My birthday is
> tomorrow and she has agreed to send me to the builder's clinic at the
> Zenith factory in January. How did you guys get your wives completely
> on board?
>
> John Hines
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
Randy,
Don't worry about it, it was funny as hell!!
John Hines
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy L.
Thwing
Subject: Zenith-List: Apology for inconvenience
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
<n4546v@mindspring.com>
Dear Listers:
I Apologize for the inconvenience I have caused you. It was not
intentional. My Outlook Express picked that message to go belly up.
The
message will not leave the out box and was sent every time I changed
screens. My sent items folder has been wiped clean. I have shut down
that
computer and am sending this from another office. Thanks to all those
who
emailed me to advise. Another attempt at weak humor goes bad.
Humbly Yours,
Randy L. Thwing,
Las vegas, NV
Do not Archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Hey Randy,
It suits your location. While playing the slots, you put in one coin,
pull the handle and hope for a lot of change to come your way, SO.....
you typed the message, pushed the send, and....
WOE--LA
a lot of messages appeared :-D :-D :-D
Keith
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100
CH701 (cutting and building flaperon parts)
www.geocities.com/ch701builder
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John Hines wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
>Randy,
>
>Don't worry about it, it was funny as hell!!
>
>John Hines
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy L.
>Thwing
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Apology for inconvenience
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
><n4546v@mindspring.com>
>
>Dear Listers:
> I Apologize for the inconvenience I have caused you. It was not
>intentional. My Outlook Express picked that message to go belly up.
>The
>message will not leave the out box and was sent every time I changed
>screens. My sent items folder has been wiped clean. I have shut down
>that
>computer and am sending this from another office. Thanks to all those
>who
>emailed me to advise. Another attempt at weak humor goes bad.
>
>Humbly Yours,
>
>Randy L. Thwing,
>
>Las vegas, NV
>
>Do not Archive
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
Guys,
I know I am new so sorry for the flurry of questions. I am interested
in the Corvair engine for an XL project. Everything sounds good except
for the distributor using points. Is anyone using electronic ignition
on Corvairs? I know what a maintenance nightmare points can be and I
cant imagine having them in an airplane engine. Am I crazy?
Should I be typing "Do not archive" on my stupid questions?
John Hines
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Clyde, maybe getting you wife to help in the plans reading and organization
as much as possible, even with small things of building, might get her to feel
possessive of the plane and eager to experience the thrill of flying her.
Certainly somewhere on this list or at EAA HQ we have some "pointy headed
psychologists types" that could assist us in this quest for knowledge. Maybe we
could
publish a tip booklet. I'm sure the guy who build the first chariot had a
devil of a time to get his wife to ride and the first boat builder. Well you get
the drift, best regards, Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
The "EXPERIMENTAL" is painted on our planes for a reason. They really
are more dangerous than spam cans.
The bright side - fear is a wonderful aphrodesiac.
If this doesn't work with your wife, try giving airplane rides to the
pretty young ladies hanging around the airport . . .
Paul
XL wings
do not archive or show to my wife
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Yes. It is very solid. In case of nuclear war, I'll duck and cover under
there.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Paul Roy
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Table plans
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy"
<jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
No Kevin it's not the one but it shows really well how it's done. Looks as
solid as rock. Thanks for posting.
Jean-Paul
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
The workshop trip was my 10th anniversary gift. That was hard for her to say
no to. HEE HE *wink.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hines
Subject: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem has been convincing my wife
that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on the side makes her very
nervous. She is nervous enough when it doesn't say experimental. I
don't even have my license yet and I have a fairly limited budget. I
almost bought a Piper Colt but then started looking at the operating and
maintenance costs. With 8gph plus maintenance plus fabric...it aint
cheap. I'm also betting my life on 60 year old technology and a 55 year
old airframe. I'm a big guy and don't fit very well in it. And the
biggest thing is that it's ugly!! The 601 has nice sleek lines. It will
cost a little more money than a Colt and it will take time. But I like
building things. The satisfaction I would get from flying a plane I
built would be incredible. If I could just get my wife to see that.
She is reluctantly on board at this point but she rolls her eyes a lot
and says "why do you have to get an experimental plane?" My birthday is
tomorrow and she has agreed to send me to the builder's clinic at the
Zenith factory in January. How did you guys get your wives completely
on board?
John Hines
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Do you have William's conversion manual or have you read through his web
site? In my 6xxx-series manual starting on page 57 he describes the
evolution of his ignition system and the final semi-dual solution. Basically
it duplicates all the heat-sensitive parts: coil and points. His take on
electronic ignition (page 57, third paragraph) is that when it fails it
fails completely where as a points-based system gives some warning. I'm not
completely convinced. I believe that modern electron ignition systems are
designed with a "limp home" design. But having said that my ignition system
is exactly what William recommends.
To me the most interesting feature of an electronic ignition is the much
hotter spark. William's view is that in all his years of flying Corvair
engines he has never fouled a plug. So is a completely redundant system or a
hotter spark needed? Probably not. He also argues that adding another plug
to each cylinder (which he has done) causes more potential trouble (reducing
the cooling fin surface area) than is gained by having redundant plugs.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hines
Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
--> <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
Guys,
I know I am new so sorry for the flurry of questions. I am interested in
the Corvair engine for an XL project. Everything sounds good except for the
distributor using points. Is anyone using electronic ignition on Corvairs?
I know what a maintenance nightmare points can be and I cant imagine having
them in an airplane engine. Am I crazy?
Should I be typing "Do not archive" on my stupid questions?
John Hines
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
The tried and tested method for Corvair conversion
calls for a dual point ignition system. Go to
www.flycorvair.com for more info. Also join the
Corvair mail list in www.corvaircraft.com if you
havent done so already.
William Dominguez
Plansbuilt Zodiac 601XL/Corvair
Working on shop
--- John Hines <John.Hines@craftontull.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
> <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
> Guys,
>
> I know I am new so sorry for the flurry of
> questions. I am interested
> in the Corvair engine for an XL project. Everything
> sounds good except
> for the distributor using points. Is anyone using
> electronic ignition
> on Corvairs? I know what a maintenance nightmare
> points can be and I
> cant imagine having them in an airplane engine. Am
> I crazy?
>
> Should I be typing "Do not archive" on my stupid
> questions?
>
> John Hines
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg <djvdb63@yahoo.com>
John...
Not sure what you've read about WW's system yet, but
the basics follow:
1.) Make sure to review all that WW has written about
the reasoning behind his dual point distributor
system. Go to his web site and use the google search
on the bottom of his front page to find the relevant
areas:
http://www.flycorvair.com/
2.) Join the Corvair List, and then ask away. I
suspect you'll probably become satisfied with WW's
ignition system:
http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft
Dan
Do Not Archive
--- John Hines <John.Hines@craftontull.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
> <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
> Guys,
>
> I know I am new so sorry for the flurry of
> questions. I am interested
> in the Corvair engine for an XL project. Everything
> sounds good except
> for the distributor using points. Is anyone using
> electronic ignition
> on Corvairs? I know what a maintenance nightmare
> points can be and I
> cant imagine having them in an airplane engine. Am
> I crazy?
>
> Should I be typing "Do not archive" on my stupid
> questions?
>
> John Hines
__________________________________
http://farechase.yahoo.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
I have an electronic ignition in mine. Actually 2 of them. The problem with
electronic ignition its that if it fails, it fails without warning. Points
normally go bad over a period of time. That's why I have 2 electronic
ignitions, so I can flip a switch and hopefully the backup will allow a
restart.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: John Hines <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/8/2005 12:12:35 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
<John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
> Guys,
>
> I know I am new so sorry for the flurry of questions. I am interested
> in the Corvair engine for an XL project. Everything sounds good except
> for the distributor using points. Is anyone using electronic ignition
> on Corvairs? I know what a maintenance nightmare points can be and I
> cant imagine having them in an airplane engine. Am I crazy?
>
> Should I be typing "Do not archive" on my stupid questions?
>
> John Hines
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Culp" <randy_culp@hotmail.com>
One other point to be made here is that (according to WW, who is an A&P),
all regular aircraft magnetos use points.
William claims that most pilots don't realize that, and at least in my
case.....he was right.
Randy (no A&P, and barely a pilot)
XL with WW built Corvair
working on the fuselage
> > [Original Message]
> > From: John Hines <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 11/8/2005 12:12:35 PM
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
><John.Hines@craftontull.com>
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I know I am new so sorry for the flurry of questions. I am interested
> > in the Corvair engine for an XL project. Everything sounds good except
> > for the distributor using points. Is anyone using electronic ignition
> > on Corvairs? I know what a maintenance nightmare points can be and I
> > cant imagine having them in an airplane engine. Am I crazy?
> >
> > Should I be typing "Do not archive" on my stupid questions?
> >
> > John Hines
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Safety / Wives??? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
When you mention that Sapce Ship One was also classified as Experimental, leave
out the part where Mike Melville had to hang on through a couple dozen rolls
before he got it to stabilize. Too much info.... in fact leave out space ship
one altogether. Boldly going where no man has gone before and all that will get
you exactly nowhere with her.
Tell you what, take a few weeks to practice thinking like her, you know, do a few
sets of mood swings twice a day. Try retaining fluid, check your backside in
the mirror etc. That should give you enough insight to play this right from
the start. Remember, you have to make this work. You only go around once in life....
unless you are a Buddist, but that's a different subject.
Also, I forgot to mention that you need to point out to her that you won't have
any time left over for chasing loose women.... If she doesn't come on board with
the project then you will have plenty of free time to chase loose women!
Oh yeah, also leave out the bit about the bent RV spars and such.
Ed
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Oh Man, keep an eye on her. She is definitely up to something.
Ed
>
> From: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2005/11/08 Tue AM 11:57:43 EST
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> John, I'm probably part of the lucky bunch: my wife gave me the plans as a birthday
gift.
> She's not impressed by airplanes (she does go flying with me on rented 152s once
in a while), but
> I think she trusts my skills (c'mon, quit laughing, guys!).
>
> (Maybe she's got her eyes on that fat life insurance?? Nah, just kiddin')
>
> Unfortunately many (most?) people still raise eyebrows when you talk about "experimental"
> aircraft. I guess it is up to us to educate them.
>
> Carlos
> do not archive
>
>
> --- John Hines <John.Hines@craftontull.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
> >
> > How did you guys get your wives completely
> > on board?
> >
> > John Hines
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yes there are pros and cons here.
Points are setup so they carry the full current of the ignition coil so
there there is a hefty arc every time the points switch. This is
suppressed somewhat by adding a capacitor across the points, either way
points die youg...But they do give you lots of warning.
EE's have a very low current "switching" which is usually just an
induction in small coil as a chunk of iron swings past it attached to
the distributor...This current is then amplified by the ignitor chip
which drives the coil...The system should be almost set and forget but
when they die they die suddenly.
Early EE systems were feeble. The Subaru chip being a prime example, It
would only take the coil going low resistance to pull enough current to
fry the chip (they also cost $300 gulp!)...I honestly cringe when I talk
to a builder flying a single original Subaru chip!
Today however there are many more bullet proof alternatives. You can use
a TP45 system to replace the sooby set up and it is both inexpensive and
extremly reliable.....I still have two of them to avoid the sudden death
syndrome however.
As to the magneto argument...I thought it was only spam can drivers that
still had to live with those...:)..Their main benefit is they do not
require any kind of electrical system to run...Debatable how valuable
that benefit is with modern electronics however, especially as there is
even an EE system for Lycosauruses that doesn't need a battery either.
Took a lot longer to develop these systems than did their automotive
counterparts not surprisingly.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Culp
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Culp" <randy_culp@hotmail.com>
One other point to be made here is that (according to WW, who is an
A&P), all regular aircraft magnetos use points.
William claims that most pilots don't realize that, and at least in my
case.....he was right.
Randy (no A&P, and barely a pilot)
XL with WW built Corvair
working on the fuselage
> > [Original Message]
> > From: John Hines <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 11/8/2005 12:12:35 PM
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
><John.Hines@craftontull.com>
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I know I am new so sorry for the flurry of questions. I am
> > interested in the Corvair engine for an XL project. Everything
> > sounds good except for the distributor using points. Is anyone
> > using electronic ignition on Corvairs? I know what a maintenance
> > nightmare points can be and I cant imagine having them in an
airplane engine. Am I crazy?
> >
> > Should I be typing "Do not archive" on my stupid questions?
> >
> > John Hines
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
Randy -
Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into building an
experimental airplane?
He was frustrated with having to book rental time several weeks in advance,
only to have it rain that day, or be too windy. I knew we couldn't afford
1/4 million for a new Cessna, so I talked him into building a plane. We
devoured EAA's AeroCrafter book and finally decided on an 801 (short
building time and pop rivets.) I loved the short field capacity of the 801,
but when he saw the 601XL on Zenith's video he said "I want to build that
plane - it's sexy!"
I felt that my husband deserved to have his own airplane - flying makes
him happy like nothing else ever has. Doesn't everyone deserve that? Come to
think of it...I was the one who booked his first flight. We were at the
airport one day and he casually said "I always wanted to learn how to fly."
As a surprise I booked him a discovery flight for his birthday and the rest
is history! It had never occurred to him to sign up for flight lessons - no
one he knew was a pilot.
We are 500 hours into the 601XL and my husband may have put in 50 hours
working alone. It seems to take two of us to figure out the instructions and
blue prints. He drills the holes and then says "I'm going out for a smoke -
figure out what we do next!" Working on the plane together has been a great
adventure.
Dawna/Cincinnati
>From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:40:48 -0800
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
><n4546v@mindspring.com>
>
>How did you guys get your wives completely
>on board?
>
>This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
>project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as to
>how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings, most
>of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time, wife
>must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
>holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
>
>During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your
>strategy
>and try to figure out how you went awry..............
>
>Regards,
>
>Randy L. Thwing,
>Las Vegas, NV
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Oh baby! Wrong approach altogether. Back up and try again. That set up is garanteed
to crash and burn before the end of the runway. How could you be so naive
as to attempt honesty?
Ed
do not archive..... burn it into your memory
>
> From: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
> Date: 2005/11/08 Tue PM 01:43:39 EST
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> The "EXPERIMENTAL" is painted on our planes for a reason. They really
> are more dangerous than spam cans.
>
> The bright side - fear is a wonderful aphrodesiac.
>
> If this doesn't work with your wife, try giving airplane rides to the
> pretty young ladies hanging around the airport . . .
>
> Paul
> XL wings
> do not archive or show to my wife
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
You don't think my advice showed much insight to the female mind then?
I'm a little shocked, maybe my Wife is used to being married to a
mechanical engineer and as such my expectations are lower...She always
seems to smile politely when I talk about how cool my lastest explosion
was.
Oh yeah...I been telling my Wife I been using the project to practice my
"hermit skills"...Never been a hermit before and it takes lots of
practice. Apparently things called "friends" are important to her for
some reason?
Have fun grovelling...:)
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dredmoody@cox.net
Subject: Re: RE: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
When you mention that Sapce Ship One was also classified as
Experimental, leave out the part where Mike Melville had to hang on
through a couple dozen rolls before he got it to stabilize. Too much
info.... in fact leave out space ship one altogether. Boldly going where
no man has gone before and all that will get you exactly nowhere with
her.
Tell you what, take a few weeks to practice thinking like her, you know,
do a few sets of mood swings twice a day. Try retaining fluid, check
your backside in the mirror etc. That should give you enough insight to
play this right from the start. Remember, you have to make this work.
You only go around once in life.... unless you are a Buddist, but that's
a different subject.
Also, I forgot to mention that you need to point out to her that you
won't have any time left over for chasing loose women.... If she doesn't
come on board with the project then you will have plenty of free time to
chase loose women!
Oh yeah, also leave out the bit about the bent RV spars and such.
Ed
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| Subject: | 701 Firewall Drwg 7-F-7 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
I'm looking for a little help here. Contacted factory but Nick's answer hasn't
sunk in yet.
Photo Guide Fuselage Section 6, page 6 says to measure down 235 mm and mark a spot
on the 7F7-2C Vertical Lower Channel. The indications are that this should
line up with the 160 mm mark from the bottom of the firewall. The 7F7-1SP upper
channel top is to be 395mm from the bottom of the firewall. When I measure
down the 7F7-2C channel 235 mm and make my mark, that does not line up with
the 160mm mark from the bottom... Misses by about 4mm.
The 7F7-1SP upper channel has a radius that pushes the 7F7-2C Vertical Channel
down. According to what Nick is saying, the 235mm measurement should come from
the top of the vertical channel, not from the 395 mark. (I hope this is making
sense to someone) Well, because of the radius of the upper channel, it won't
fit. I'm sure that the Nose Gear Bungee pin should be centered in the 160mm
mark.... It's off by about 4mm
Has anyone seen this with the 701 firewall?
Thanks
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Do Not Archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Okay, first since he did not say, "I want to build that plane. It's almost as sexy
as you!" divorce him and marry me. Please. I'm too old for more kids but we
could build lots of little planes together. You rock!
Ed
>
> From: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
> Date: 2005/11/08 Tue PM 03:43:33 EST
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
>
> Randy -
> Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into building an
> experimental airplane?
> He was frustrated with having to book rental time several weeks in advance,
> only to have it rain that day, or be too windy. I knew we couldn't afford
> 1/4 million for a new Cessna, so I talked him into building a plane. We
> devoured EAA's AeroCrafter book and finally decided on an 801 (short
> building time and pop rivets.) I loved the short field capacity of the 801,
> but when he saw the 601XL on Zenith's video he said "I want to build that
> plane - it's sexy!"
> I felt that my husband deserved to have his own airplane - flying makes
> him happy like nothing else ever has. Doesn't everyone deserve that? Come to
> think of it...I was the one who booked his first flight. We were at the
> airport one day and he casually said "I always wanted to learn how to fly."
> As a surprise I booked him a discovery flight for his birthday and the rest
> is history! It had never occurred to him to sign up for flight lessons - no
> one he knew was a pilot.
> We are 500 hours into the 601XL and my husband may have put in 50 hours
> working alone. It seems to take two of us to figure out the instructions and
> blue prints. He drills the holes and then says "I'm going out for a smoke -
> figure out what we do next!" Working on the plane together has been a great
> adventure.
> Dawna/Cincinnati
>
>
> >From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
> >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:40:48 -0800
> >
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
> ><n4546v@mindspring.com>
> >
> >How did you guys get your wives completely
> >on board?
> >
> >This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
> >project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as to
> >how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings, most
> >of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time, wife
> >must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
> >holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
> >
> >During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your
> >strategy
> >and try to figure out how you went awry..............
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Randy L. Thwing,
> >Las Vegas, NV
> >
> >Do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle <d_kandle@velocitus.net>
I just got off of the phone with Nick H. at Zenith. I am ready to
install my fuel tanks. I purchased the long range option, so I have
4 tanks. The instructions have the fuel sender for the main tanks
installed on the inboard side of the main tanks and the auxiliary
tanks have their senders mounted on the top of the tank. I asked
Nick if I can just mount the sender on the side of the outboard (aux)
tank just like the main. The short of it is that he said I can mount
the fuel level sender anywhere I like. But he said that the sender
on the aux tanks are optional, I don't need to have them at
all. This does have some appeal as it simplifies the installation.
He suggested that if I don't have a fuel gauge for the aux tanks,
that I take off on the mains, then switch to the aux tanks to use
whatever fuel I had planned (using time to determine gallons), then
switch back to the mains.
Is anyone using the aux tanks with no fuel senders and is it working
OK for you?
-- Another topic
I asked Nick about inspection plates. I want to be able to change
the fuel lines and senders without skinning the wing. I asked if the
plates needed to be considered a structural part of the wing. He
said "yes they need to be considered a part of the structure". He
went on to say that they needed to use nut plates and have enough
screws so that it was just as strong as the original, uncut, skin
(40mm spacing). I asked specifically about the use of plastic covers
(mentioned on this list before), and I was told that they are for
fabric planes with internal structure, not for metal planes where the
strength of the plane is dependent on the skin.
Doug Kandle
CH701
Boise ID
Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done Working on Wings
From complete kit
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| Subject: | Safety / Wives??? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
WOW...Your the perfect woman!
Of course..If I learned to ride horses I would be the perfect man for my
Wife...:)
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
Boehmer
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
Randy -
Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into
building an experimental airplane?
He was frustrated with having to book rental time several weeks in
advance, only to have it rain that day, or be too windy. I knew we
couldn't afford
1/4 million for a new Cessna, so I talked him into building a plane. We
devoured EAA's AeroCrafter book and finally decided on an 801 (short
building time and pop rivets.) I loved the short field capacity of the
801, but when he saw the 601XL on Zenith's video he said "I want to
build that plane - it's sexy!"
I felt that my husband deserved to have his own airplane - flying
makes him happy like nothing else ever has. Doesn't everyone deserve
that? Come to think of it...I was the one who booked his first flight.
We were at the airport one day and he casually said "I always wanted to
learn how to fly."
As a surprise I booked him a discovery flight for his birthday and the
rest is history! It had never occurred to him to sign up for flight
lessons - no one he knew was a pilot.
We are 500 hours into the 601XL and my husband may have put in 50
hours working alone. It seems to take two of us to figure out the
instructions and blue prints. He drills the holes and then says "I'm
going out for a smoke - figure out what we do next!" Working on the
plane together has been a great adventure.
Dawna/Cincinnati
>From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:40:48 -0800
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
><n4546v@mindspring.com>
>
>How did you guys get your wives completely on board?
>
>This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a
>homebuilding project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE
>LAW at home as to how things are going to be. You will need the entire
>family savings, most of the space in you house, and no other
>obligations on your free time, wife must be on hand and available at a
>moments notice to de-burr thousands of holes, clean up your work area,
and to drive you to the emergency room.
>
>During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your
>strategy and try to figure out how you went awry..............
>
>Regards,
>
>Randy L. Thwing,
>Las Vegas, NV
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hey buddy...there is a long line developing here y'know!...:)
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dredmoody@cox.net
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Okay, first since he did not say, "I want to build that plane. It's
almost as sexy as you!" divorce him and marry me. Please. I'm too old
for more kids but we could build lots of little planes together. You
rock!
Ed
>
> From: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
> Date: 2005/11/08 Tue PM 03:43:33 EST
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
>
> Randy -
> Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into
> building an experimental airplane?
> He was frustrated with having to book rental time several weeks in
> advance, only to have it rain that day, or be too windy. I knew we
> couldn't afford
> 1/4 million for a new Cessna, so I talked him into building a plane.
> We devoured EAA's AeroCrafter book and finally decided on an 801
> (short building time and pop rivets.) I loved the short field capacity
> of the 801, but when he saw the 601XL on Zenith's video he said "I
> want to build that plane - it's sexy!"
> I felt that my husband deserved to have his own airplane - flying
> makes him happy like nothing else ever has. Doesn't everyone deserve
> that? Come to think of it...I was the one who booked his first flight.
> We were at the airport one day and he casually said "I always wanted
to learn how to fly."
> As a surprise I booked him a discovery flight for his birthday and the
> rest is history! It had never occurred to him to sign up for flight
> lessons - no one he knew was a pilot.
> We are 500 hours into the 601XL and my husband may have put in 50
> hours working alone. It seems to take two of us to figure out the
> instructions and blue prints. He drills the holes and then says "I'm
> going out for a smoke - figure out what we do next!" Working on the
> plane together has been a great adventure.
> Dawna/Cincinnati
>
>
> >From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
> >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:40:48 -0800
> >
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
> ><n4546v@mindspring.com>
> >
> >How did you guys get your wives completely on board?
> >
> >This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a
> >homebuilding project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE
> >LAW at home as to how things are going to be. You will need the
> >entire family savings, most of the space in you house, and no other
> >obligations on your free time, wife must be on hand and available at
> >a moments notice to de-burr thousands of holes, clean up your work
area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
> >
> >During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your
> >strategy and try to figure out how you went awry..............
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Randy L. Thwing,
> >Las Vegas, NV
> >
> >Do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
The website below 'Dan Checkoway's' has a great blurb on getting you
wife involved.
http://www.rvproject.com/wife.html
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde,
Frank George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hey buddy...there is a long line developing here y'know!...:)
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dredmoody@cox.net
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Okay, first since he did not say, "I want to build that plane. It's
almost as sexy as you!" divorce him and marry me. Please. I'm too old
for more kids but we could build lots of little planes together. You
rock!
Ed
>
> From: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
> Date: 2005/11/08 Tue PM 03:43:33 EST
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
>
> Randy -
> Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into
> building an experimental airplane?
> He was frustrated with having to book rental time several weeks in
> advance, only to have it rain that day, or be too windy. I knew we
> couldn't afford
> 1/4 million for a new Cessna, so I talked him into building a plane.
> We devoured EAA's AeroCrafter book and finally decided on an 801
> (short building time and pop rivets.) I loved the short field capacity
> of the 801, but when he saw the 601XL on Zenith's video he said "I
> want to build that plane - it's sexy!"
> I felt that my husband deserved to have his own airplane - flying
> makes him happy like nothing else ever has. Doesn't everyone deserve
> that? Come to think of it...I was the one who booked his first flight.
> We were at the airport one day and he casually said "I always wanted
to learn how to fly."
> As a surprise I booked him a discovery flight for his birthday and the
> rest is history! It had never occurred to him to sign up for flight
> lessons - no one he knew was a pilot.
> We are 500 hours into the 601XL and my husband may have put in 50
> hours working alone. It seems to take two of us to figure out the
> instructions and blue prints. He drills the holes and then says "I'm
> going out for a smoke - figure out what we do next!" Working on the
> plane together has been a great adventure.
> Dawna/Cincinnati
>
>
> >From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
> >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:40:48 -0800
> >
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
> ><n4546v@mindspring.com>
> >
> >How did you guys get your wives completely on board?
> >
> >This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a
> >homebuilding project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE
> >LAW at home as to how things are going to be. You will need the
> >entire family savings, most of the space in you house, and no other
> >obligations on your free time, wife must be on hand and available at
> >a moments notice to de-burr thousands of holes, clean up your work
area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
> >
> >During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your
> >strategy and try to figure out how you went awry..............
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Randy L. Thwing,
> >Las Vegas, NV
> >
> >Do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Wives??? Sorry Guys I'm too dam Lucky! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
I'm sorry to say guys, my wife is much like Dawna and more. I used to
fly a lot before I met my wife, but she never knew it. We spent so much
time riding the motorcycles (that's how we met, she needed the chain
replaced on her bike, I was in the shop)all over North America that
flying just lapsed. Then came the kids and as the bikes lapsed I came
home one day and said I am going to build a plane. Of course, I got the
"are you nuts look" but she knows me all to well after 19yrs of
marriage. She had one request, when I was half way through my project
and that was to have a flight in a small plane as she has only ever been
in a large plane once. After I took her for a flight, she was at my
side, helping the build whenever needed or when she had time to spend
with me. Now comes the drawback ! The 701 I have started is hers!!!!
Like in the biking days she hates the back seat and wants the controls.
The 701 with the bubble doors is her project, she says that she wants a
plane just to toot around in and see the farms, maybe down the road add
amphibs and go fishing! Now guess who is watching the kids more!!!
My biggest concern now is how am I going to stay in formation with a
701??? Hmmm maybe next project will be an 801, I should be able to
justify that? Shouldn't I?
Nevertheless, even with a wife that is my absolute best friend, the time
my metal mistress takes can have a toll if I get to carried away. I
devote 2 nights a week to my family and every Sunday my wife asks for,
is hers. As Chris says never, forget what is truly important! I will
add, get them drilling holes and deburring, family time can be had in
the workshop as well!
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
Boehmer
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
Randy -
Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into
building an
experimental airplane?
He was frustrated with having to book rental time several weeks in
advance,
only to have it rain that day, or be too windy. I knew we couldn't
afford
1/4 million for a new Cessna, so I talked him into building a plane. We
devoured EAA's AeroCrafter book and finally decided on an 801 (short
building time and pop rivets.) I loved the short field capacity of the
801,
but when he saw the 601XL on Zenith's video he said "I want to build
that
plane - it's sexy!"
I felt that my husband deserved to have his own airplane - flying
makes
him happy like nothing else ever has. Doesn't everyone deserve that?
Come to
think of it...I was the one who booked his first flight. We were at the
airport one day and he casually said "I always wanted to learn how to
fly."
As a surprise I booked him a discovery flight for his birthday and the
rest
is history! It had never occurred to him to sign up for flight lessons -
no
one he knew was a pilot.
We are 500 hours into the 601XL and my husband may have put in 50
hours
working alone. It seems to take two of us to figure out the instructions
and
blue prints. He drills the holes and then says "I'm going out for a
smoke -
figure out what we do next!" Working on the plane together has been a
great
adventure.
Dawna/Cincinnati
>From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:40:48 -0800
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
><n4546v@mindspring.com>
>
>How did you guys get your wives completely
>on board?
>
>This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a
homebuilding
>project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as
to
>how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings,
most
>of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time,
wife
>must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands
of
>holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
>
>During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your
>strategy
>and try to figure out how you went awry..............
>
>Regards,
>
>Randy L. Thwing,
>Las Vegas, NV
>
>Do not archive
>
>
--
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
11/8/2005
--
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
11/8/2005
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
*********************************************************************************************************
Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hey buddy...there is a long line developing here y'know!...:)
Frank
Do not archive
************************************************************************************************
Please post a picture of the plane....
;)
Tommy Walker in Alabama
definitely do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Boehmer <tomdawna@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
>
> Randy -
> Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into building
an
> experimental airplane?
> He was frustrated with having to book rental time several weeks in
advance,
> only to have it rain that day, or be too windy. I knew we couldn't afford
> 1/4 million for a new Cessna, so I talked him into building a plane. We
> devoured EAA's AeroCrafter book and finally decided on an 801 (short
> building time and pop rivets.) I loved the short field capacity of the
801,
> but when he saw the 601XL on Zenith's video he said "I want to build that
> plane - it's sexy!"
> I felt that my husband deserved to have his own airplane - flying
makes
> him happy like nothing else ever has. Doesn't everyone deserve that? Come
to
> think of it...I was the one who booked his first flight. We were at the
> airport one day and he casually said "I always wanted to learn how to
fly."
> As a surprise I booked him a discovery flight for his birthday and the
rest
> is history! It had never occurred to him to sign up for flight lessons -
no
> one he knew was a pilot.
> We are 500 hours into the 601XL and my husband may have put in 50
hours
> working alone. It seems to take two of us to figure out the instructions
and
> blue prints. He drills the holes and then says "I'm going out for a
smoke -
> figure out what we do next!" Working on the plane together has been a
great
> adventure.
> Dawna/Cincinnati
>
>
> >From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
> >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:40:48 -0800
> >
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
> ><n4546v@mindspring.com>
> >
> >How did you guys get your wives completely
> >on board?
> >
> >This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
> >project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as
to
> >how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings,
most
> >of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time,
wife
> >must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
> >holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
> >
> >During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your
> >strategy
> >and try to figure out how you went awry..............
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Randy L. Thwing,
> >Las Vegas, NV
> >
> >Do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
> Randy -
> Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into building
an
> experimental airplane?
Dawna:
Like myself, your Husband is one lucky pilot. I'll bet he works hard to
do his part. I'm not surprised that offers from other listers are pouring
in! Hate to see a bidding war here!
Best Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
> Randy -
> Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into building
an
> experimental airplane?
Dawna:
Like myself, your Husband is one lucky pilot. I'll bet he works hard to
do his part. I'm not surprised that offers from other listers are pouring
in! Hate to see a bidding war here!
Best Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
> Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into building
an
> experimental airplane?
>
> Dawna/Cincinnati
>
>
> > Dawna, You aren't the only one, for sure!! My Young Bride bought
me the rudder kit for an XL five years ago this coming December, for my birthday.
I went to my first EAA meeting, ch. 91 Lee's Summit,MO, where I met the
Young Eagles' Director for the chapter on my way in. I told him the story and
he said that I had better hang on to that one!!! Well, I think I will! I have
always thought she's a keeper!
52EB
DO NOT ARCHIVE!!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
John-
I made a deal with my wife 21 years ago, shortly after we got married.
She got a horse, and I got my pilot's license.
Now, she has TWO horses, and I have a........project.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
<John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
> I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem has been convincing my wife
> that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on the side makes her very
> nervous. She is nervous enough when it doesn't say experimental. I
> don't even have my license yet and I have a fairly limited budget. I
> almost bought a Piper Colt but then started looking at the operating and
> maintenance costs. With 8gph plus maintenance plus fabric...it aint
> cheap. I'm also betting my life on 60 year old technology and a 55 year
> old airframe. I'm a big guy and don't fit very well in it. And the
> biggest thing is that it's ugly!! The 601 has nice sleek lines. It will
> cost a little more money than a Colt and it will take time. But I like
> building things. The satisfaction I would get from flying a plane I
> built would be incredible. If I could just get my wife to see that.
> She is reluctantly on board at this point but she rolls her eyes a lot
> and says "why do you have to get an experimental plane?" My birthday is
> tomorrow and she has agreed to send me to the builder's clinic at the
> Zenith factory in January. How did you guys get your wives completely
> on board?
>
> John Hines
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com
Hello fortunate flyers,
After searching the archives I am still unclear. Is there a position for
the static ports on a 701 that has been shown to be ?accurate?, or at
least stable, especially at slow speeds? I have seen some references to
using A5 rivets with their stems removed. Does that work or should I use
store-bought ports?
Thanks
-- Ray
701, pegastol wings
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
umm....2 horses = 2 planes. Right?
Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca
<gboothe@calply.com>
601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete
Tail Group - complete. Working on Wings...
Do not archive
>
> John-
> I made a deal with my wife 21 years ago, shortly after we got married.
> She got a horse, and I got my pilot's license.
> Now, she has TWO horses, and I have a........project.
> Bill
>>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
John,
A man's hobbies never garner much respect until the project gets under
way and shows signs
of being in earnest. My arguments were always a comparison of what bar
I might have been in
if I didn't have such a hobby. I don't drink and she knows it, but she
smokes and I don't, so in cost
there's equivalence of sorts. I've always been involved in long
projects, the last was the third aircraft.
Even so, I enjoy flying it more than she will and continue to examine
prospects for another project.
She will perhaps continue to object. I've read that a contented man
occupied with a hobby lives longer
than the man that considers sex THE prime ingredient in life. I'd
rather fly, as it lasts longer, compared to
the cost of not doing something worth while and stimulating as building
your own plane. Actually,
it's nice to have her approval, but if she said "I cannot allow you to
do this", then I'd simply have to go it
alone. Hard way to live, but no relationship survives arbitrary
ultimatums and it's better to know that
at least before you get married. If the project keeps you away from the
kids activities ball games etc,
or if your airplane project curbs buying kids new tennis shoes, perhaps
you should rethink the timing
of your project and reconsider it after you're retired.
Join or form an EAA Chapter and participate in the mutual interests of
families that enjoy picnics and
going on trips as a group to Oshkosh or Aircraft museums etc. This
usually helps your partner feel
included. Sharing the building process might help, but it's better to
invite other chapter members to help
and bring their families along occasionally to break out of the solitude
of being a man in the shop oblivious
to the rest of the world. I tend to do that and it doesn't help at
all. I hope you find the middle
ground, because that's all there is unless your wife suddenly wants to
become a pilot too.
Good luck and do not archive
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
John Hines wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
>I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem has been convincing my wife
>that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on the side makes her very
>nervous. She is nervous enough when it doesn't say experimental. I
>don't even have my license yet and I have a fairly limited budget. I
>almost bought a Piper Colt but then started looking at the operating and
>maintenance costs. With 8gph plus maintenance plus fabric...it aint
>cheap. I'm also betting my life on 60 year old technology and a 55 year
>old airframe. I'm a big guy and don't fit very well in it. And the
>biggest thing is that it's ugly!! The 601 has nice sleek lines. It will
>cost a little more money than a Colt and it will take time. But I like
>building things. The satisfaction I would get from flying a plane I
>built would be incredible. If I could just get my wife to see that.
>She is reluctantly on board at this point but she rolls her eyes a lot
>and says "why do you have to get an experimental plane?" My birthday is
>tomorrow and she has agreed to send me to the builder's clinic at the
>Zenith factory in January. How did you guys get your wives completely
>on board?
>
>John Hines
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
All-
This is addressed to probably 75% of the list:
Have you ever felt a little strange listening to Pink Floyd, Zeppelin,
and Journey on the "Oldies Station" while you're building? I ask you- what
better hobby for a batch of "Grown up" (??) space cadets?
Lighten up and enjoy.
By the way, if you listen to the lyrics in an unaltered state, there's a
Pink Floyd song that's all about getting your pilot's license. Can't
remember the name. Now, my mood alteration comes from Alzheimers!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
>
> Okay, first since he did not say, "I want to build that plane. It's almost
as sexy as you!" divorce him and marry me. Please. I'm too old for more kids
but we could build lots of little planes together. You rock!
>
> Ed
>
> >
> > From: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
> > Date: 2005/11/08 Tue PM 03:43:33 EST
> > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
> >
> > Randy -
> > Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into
building an
> > experimental airplane?
> > He was frustrated with having to book rental time several weeks in
advance,
> > only to have it rain that day, or be too windy. I knew we couldn't
afford
> > 1/4 million for a new Cessna, so I talked him into building a plane. We
> > devoured EAA's AeroCrafter book and finally decided on an 801 (short
> > building time and pop rivets.) I loved the short field capacity of the
801,
> > but when he saw the 601XL on Zenith's video he said "I want to build
that
> > plane - it's sexy!"
> > I felt that my husband deserved to have his own airplane - flying
makes
> > him happy like nothing else ever has. Doesn't everyone deserve that?
Come to
> > think of it...I was the one who booked his first flight. We were at the
> > airport one day and he casually said "I always wanted to learn how to
fly."
> > As a surprise I booked him a discovery flight for his birthday and the
rest
> > is history! It had never occurred to him to sign up for flight lessons -
no
> > one he knew was a pilot.
> > We are 500 hours into the 601XL and my husband may have put in 50
hours
> > working alone. It seems to take two of us to figure out the instructions
and
> > blue prints. He drills the holes and then says "I'm going out for a
smoke -
> > figure out what we do next!" Working on the plane together has been a
great
> > adventure.
> > Dawna/Cincinnati
> >
> >
> > >From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
> > >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> > >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:40:48 -0800
> > >
> > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
> > ><n4546v@mindspring.com>
> > >
> > >How did you guys get your wives completely
> > >on board?
> > >
> > >This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a
homebuilding
> > >project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as
to
> > >how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings,
most
> > >of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time,
wife
> > >must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands
of
> > >holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
> > >
> > >During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your
> > >strategy
> > >and try to figure out how you went awry..............
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Randy L. Thwing,
> > >Las Vegas, NV
> > >
> > >Do not archive
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Points are sold for some of the latest aftermarket distributors because
they are simple and reliable.
Some automotive hot rodders like them better than the solid state
pickups. It's your choice.
It's a valid question,
Larry McFarland
do not archive
John Hines wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
>Guys,
>
>I know I am new so sorry for the flurry of questions. I am interested
>in the Corvair engine for an XL project. Everything sounds good except
>for the distributor using points. Is anyone using electronic ignition
>on Corvairs? I know what a maintenance nightmare points can be and I
>cant imagine having them in an airplane engine. Am I crazy?
>
>Should I be typing "Do not archive" on my stupid questions?
>
>John Hines
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rodney Mills <Ramills@charter.net>
I just received the remainder of my kit today. Looks like I will have
plenty to work on over the winter. I read the list everyday and now I'm
sure that I will have questions that the list members can help with.
Empenage has been hanging on the wall 2 years finished. Zenith has
widened the front attach mounts since built so that will have to be
worked out. WW corvair conversion almost ready to run, looking for a
home. I am very happy to be getting back to building.
do not archive
Rodney Mills
601XL / Corvair
West Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Safety / Wives??? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
It's called "Learning To Fly", Bill. I piped the live version of it into my intercom
for the first test flight of my little UL a couple of years ago.
Ed
do not archive..... just listen
>
> From: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
> Date: 2005/11/08 Tue PM 06:48:55 EST
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
>
> All-
> This is addressed to probably 75% of the list:
> Have you ever felt a little strange listening to Pink Floyd, Zeppelin,
> and Journey on the "Oldies Station" while you're building? I ask you- what
> better hobby for a batch of "Grown up" (??) space cadets?
> Lighten up and enjoy.
> By the way, if you listen to the lyrics in an unaltered state, there's a
> Pink Floyd song that's all about getting your pilot's license. Can't
> remember the name. Now, my mood alteration comes from Alzheimers!
> Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <dredmoody@cox.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
> >
> > Okay, first since he did not say, "I want to build that plane. It's almost
> as sexy as you!" divorce him and marry me. Please. I'm too old for more kids
> but we could build lots of little planes together. You rock!
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > >
> > > From: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
> > > Date: 2005/11/08 Tue PM 03:43:33 EST
> > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> > >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
> > >
> > > Randy -
> > > Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into
> building an
> > > experimental airplane?
> > > He was frustrated with having to book rental time several weeks in
> advance,
> > > only to have it rain that day, or be too windy. I knew we couldn't
> afford
> > > 1/4 million for a new Cessna, so I talked him into building a plane. We
> > > devoured EAA's AeroCrafter book and finally decided on an 801 (short
> > > building time and pop rivets.) I loved the short field capacity of the
> 801,
> > > but when he saw the 601XL on Zenith's video he said "I want to build
> that
> > > plane - it's sexy!"
> > > I felt that my husband deserved to have his own airplane - flying
> makes
> > > him happy like nothing else ever has. Doesn't everyone deserve that?
> Come to
> > > think of it...I was the one who booked his first flight. We were at the
> > > airport one day and he casually said "I always wanted to learn how to
> fly."
> > > As a surprise I booked him a discovery flight for his birthday and the
> rest
> > > is history! It had never occurred to him to sign up for flight lessons -
> no
> > > one he knew was a pilot.
> > > We are 500 hours into the 601XL and my husband may have put in 50
> hours
> > > working alone. It seems to take two of us to figure out the instructions
> and
> > > blue prints. He drills the holes and then says "I'm going out for a
> smoke -
> > > figure out what we do next!" Working on the plane together has been a
> great
> > > adventure.
> > > Dawna/Cincinnati
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
> > > >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > > >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> > > >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:40:48 -0800
> > > >
> > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
> > > ><n4546v@mindspring.com>
> > > >
> > > >How did you guys get your wives completely
> > > >on board?
> > > >
> > > >This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a
> homebuilding
> > > >project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as
> to
> > > >how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings,
> most
> > > >of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time,
> wife
> > > >must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands
> of
> > > >holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
> > > >
> > > >During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your
> > > >strategy
> > > >and try to figure out how you went awry..............
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >
> > > >Randy L. Thwing,
> > > >Las Vegas, NV
> > > >
> > > >Do not archive
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Larry wrote:
"Even so, I enjoy flying it more than she will and continue to examine prospects
for another project.
She will perhaps continue to object."
Well there you have it in a nutshell. You have to stay with your strengths and
do whatever it is that you do best.
Ed
do not archive
do not even bother to remember
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| Subject: | RE: Wives??? Sorry Guys I'm too dam Lucky! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Crook" <ronflys701@hotmail.com>
This is much to do about nothing >>>>Hey while you guys were building I
bought a plane that was built and when your wife wasn t interested in
building she was with me FLYING.................Good luck fellas
>From: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Wives??? Sorry Guys I'm too dam Lucky!
>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:37:16 -0500
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
>I'm sorry to say guys, my wife is much like Dawna and more. I used to
>fly a lot before I met my wife, but she never knew it. We spent so much
>time riding the motorcycles (that's how we met, she needed the chain
>replaced on her bike, I was in the shop)all over North America that
>flying just lapsed. Then came the kids and as the bikes lapsed I came
>home one day and said I am going to build a plane. Of course, I got the
>"are you nuts look" but she knows me all to well after 19yrs of
>marriage. She had one request, when I was half way through my project
>and that was to have a flight in a small plane as she has only ever been
>in a large plane once. After I took her for a flight, she was at my
>side, helping the build whenever needed or when she had time to spend
>with me. Now comes the drawback ! The 701 I have started is hers!!!!
>Like in the biking days she hates the back seat and wants the controls.
>The 701 with the bubble doors is her project, she says that she wants a
>plane just to toot around in and see the farms, maybe down the road add
>amphibs and go fishing! Now guess who is watching the kids more!!!
>My biggest concern now is how am I going to stay in formation with a
>701??? Hmmm maybe next project will be an 801, I should be able to
>justify that? Shouldn't I?
>
>Nevertheless, even with a wife that is my absolute best friend, the time
>my metal mistress takes can have a toll if I get to carried away. I
>devote 2 nights a week to my family and every Sunday my wife asks for,
>is hers. As Chris says never, forget what is truly important! I will
>add, get them drilling holes and deburring, family time can be had in
>the workshop as well!
>
>
>Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
>Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
>www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
>Boehmer
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
>
>Randy -
> Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into
>building an
>experimental airplane?
>He was frustrated with having to book rental time several weeks in
>advance,
>only to have it rain that day, or be too windy. I knew we couldn't
>afford
>1/4 million for a new Cessna, so I talked him into building a plane. We
>devoured EAA's AeroCrafter book and finally decided on an 801 (short
>building time and pop rivets.) I loved the short field capacity of the
>801,
>but when he saw the 601XL on Zenith's video he said "I want to build
>that
>plane - it's sexy!"
> I felt that my husband deserved to have his own airplane - flying
>makes
>him happy like nothing else ever has. Doesn't everyone deserve that?
>Come to
>think of it...I was the one who booked his first flight. We were at the
>airport one day and he casually said "I always wanted to learn how to
>fly."
>As a surprise I booked him a discovery flight for his birthday and the
>rest
>is history! It had never occurred to him to sign up for flight lessons -
>no
>one he knew was a pilot.
> We are 500 hours into the 601XL and my husband may have put in 50
>hours
>working alone. It seems to take two of us to figure out the instructions
>and
>blue prints. He drills the holes and then says "I'm going out for a
>smoke -
>figure out what we do next!" Working on the plane together has been a
>great
>adventure.
>Dawna/Cincinnati
>
>
> >From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
> >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:40:48 -0800
> >
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
> ><n4546v@mindspring.com>
> >
> >How did you guys get your wives completely
> >on board?
> >
> >This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a
>homebuilding
> >project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as
>to
> >how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings,
>most
> >of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time,
>wife
> >must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands
>of
> >holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
> >
> >During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your
> >strategy
> >and try to figure out how you went awry..............
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Randy L. Thwing,
> >Las Vegas, NV
> >
> >Do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>11/8/2005
>
>
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>11/8/2005
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Lendon <rlendon@comcast.net>
Dear Listers:
Don't use OutLook or any Microsoft e-mail/browser if you can help it. I
use Thunderbird for e-mail and Firefox for the browser. It's free and
it hasn't been attacked yet. Going on 4 years. http://www.mozilla.com/
--
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
>Dear Listers:
> I Apologize for the inconvenience I have caused you. It was not
>intentional. My Outlook Express picked that message to go belly up.
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Whomever said take her to the Rudder Seminar and let Roger fly her, while
she also helps you build the rudder, hit the nail on the head. DO IT NOW.
Really let her help.
Semper Fi,
Steve Hulland
CH 701 Amado, AZ
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
>
> umm....2 horses = 2 planes. Right?
>
Gary-
"Some assembly required". For the horses, too, when if you count fixing
fences.
Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Dempsey <leinad@direcway.com>
John,
Others have pointed out things William Wynne has said about points versus
electronic ignition. I know it's anecdotal, but what he says fits my
experience in cars exactly. I was once driving my Toyota Corolla and it
suddenly stopped, no warning what so ever. It wound up being a failed
electronic ignition. For about 20 years I drove a number of British sports
cars dating from the 50's and 60's. These cars had points. The had to be
replaced fairly frequently, but you would know they needed replacing well in
advance of failure. The car would become hard to start even though the
engine would still run fine.
I'm building a Corvair conversion for my XL and will be using the dual
points system.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hines" <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines"
> <John.Hines@craftontull.com>
>
> Guys,
>
> I know I am new so sorry for the flurry of questions. I am interested
> in the Corvair engine for an XL project. Everything sounds good except
> for the distributor using points. Is anyone using electronic ignition
> on Corvairs? I know what a maintenance nightmare points can be and I
> cant imagine having them in an airplane engine. Am I crazy?
>
> Should I be typing "Do not archive" on my stupid questions?
>
> John Hines
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Safety / Wives??? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
>
> It's called "Learning To Fly", Bill. I piped the live version of it into
my intercom for the first test flight of my little UL a couple of years ago.
Ed-
Yup, that's it.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Apology for inconvenience |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries <vair601@yahoo.com>
Randy,
If you can't laugh at yourself, someone will do it for you. Things happen, "To
error is human, to really screw up requires a Computer.
My attempt at weak humor, Bill Jeffries.
"Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
Dear Listers:
I Apologize for the inconvenience I have caused you. It was not
intentional. My Outlook Express picked that message to go belly up. The
message will not leave the out box and was sent every time I changed
screens. My sent items folder has been wiped clean. I have shut down that
computer and am sending this from another office. Thanks to all those who
emailed me to advise. Another attempt at weak humor goes bad.
Humbly Yours,
Randy L. Thwing,
Las vegas, NV
Do not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Babbage Area Ideas |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
Good so far, runs good, got 3 hours on it. Just can't seem to get the gas
leaks fixed. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: <NYTerminat@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Babbage Area Ideas
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/8/2005 9:32:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> lrm01@centurytel.net writes:
> www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
> Larry how is that Hog engine working out?
>
> Bob Spudis
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Safety / Wives??? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Thomas
Treat her good man! Ya got a good one.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Boehmer
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
Randy -
Am I the only wife in the world who talked her husband into building an
experimental airplane?
He was frustrated with having to book rental time several weeks in advance,
only to have it rain that day, or be too windy. I knew we couldn't afford
1/4 million for a new Cessna, so I talked him into building a plane. We
devoured EAA's AeroCrafter book and finally decided on an 801 (short
building time and pop rivets.) I loved the short field capacity of the 801,
but when he saw the 601XL on Zenith's video he said "I want to build that
plane - it's sexy!"
I felt that my husband deserved to have his own airplane - flying makes
him happy like nothing else ever has. Doesn't everyone deserve that? Come to
think of it...I was the one who booked his first flight. We were at the
airport one day and he casually said "I always wanted to learn how to fly."
As a surprise I booked him a discovery flight for his birthday and the rest
is history! It had never occurred to him to sign up for flight lessons - no
one he knew was a pilot.
We are 500 hours into the 601XL and my husband may have put in 50 hours
working alone. It seems to take two of us to figure out the instructions and
blue prints. He drills the holes and then says "I'm going out for a smoke -
figure out what we do next!" Working on the plane together has been a great
adventure.
Dawna/Cincinnati
>From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:40:48 -0800
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
><n4546v@mindspring.com>
>
>How did you guys get your wives completely
>on board?
>
>This is probably the most important aspect of embarking on a homebuilding
>project. The first thing you have to do is LAY DOWN THE LAW at home as to
>how things are going to be. You will need the entire family savings, most
>of the space in you house, and no other obligations on your free time, wife
>must be on hand and available at a moments notice to de-burr thousands of
>holes, clean up your work area, and to drive you to the emergency room.
>
>During the first couple of nights on the couch, you can review your
>strategy
>and try to figure out how you went awry..............
>
>Regards,
>
>Randy L. Thwing,
>Las Vegas, NV
>
>Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Rodney
I am scratch building from a new set of new plans, but my stab was built off
the old plans so I have had to contend with the movement of the attachment
points as well. I decided to make my Front HT Frame of the same dimensions
(well sort of) and placement as the old plans. You may want to take a look
at my website especially the "HT Frame Saga" page.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds/HT_frame_problem.htm
Sorry it is not more thorough, but hopefully it will help.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rodney Mills
Subject: Zenith-List: kit
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rodney Mills <Ramills@charter.net>
I just received the remainder of my kit today. Looks like I will have
plenty to work on over the winter. I read the list everyday and now I'm
sure that I will have questions that the list members can help with.
Empenage has been hanging on the wall 2 years finished. Zenith has
widened the front attach mounts since built so that will have to be
worked out. WW corvair conversion almost ready to run, looking for a
home. I am very happy to be getting back to building.
do not archive
Rodney Mills
601XL / Corvair
West Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Firewall Drwg 7-F-7 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Tommy,
The 160mm is from the bottom of the firewall, not the bottom of 7F7-2C. The
7F7-2C should fit tight up under upper channel 7F7-1SP. Radius the 7F7-2C to
fit the radius bend in the upper channel. If you look at the drawing you will
see that the vertical channel 7F7-2C does not extend all the way down to the
bottom of the firewall.
Hope that helps
Bob Spudis
CH-701/912S wiring at present time
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> WOW...Your the perfect woman!
>
> Of course..If I learned to ride horses I would be the perfect man for my
> Wife...:)
>
> Frank
> Do not archive
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Boehmer
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives???
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas Boehmer" <tomdawna@msn.com>
>
Dawna, you are slapping yourself in the face with this comment!
" I felt that my husband deserved to have his own airplane - flying
> makes him happy like nothing else ever has".
> Dawna/Cincinnati
This guy needs to go buy his wife all the tools, she needs to make building
as easy as possible for her and a dozen roses!!!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
This is a great web site, period. Go watch some of his in-flight videos.
> The website below 'Dan Checkoway's' has a great blurb on getting you
> wife involved.
>
> http://www.rvproject.com/wife.html
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