---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/09/05: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:25 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Larry Portouw) 2. 05:06 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Richard McLachlan) 3. 05:21 AM - UPDATE - Safety / Wives??? (John Hines) 4. 06:09 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 80 Msgs - 11/08/05 (Gig Giacona) 5. 06:58 AM - Re: UPDATE - Safety / Wives??? (Robert Schoenberger) 6. 08:57 AM - cogsdill backside deburring tools (Mike Hoffman) 7. 09:18 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 8. 09:20 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 9. 09:39 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 10. 09:42 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 11. 10:04 AM - Canadian: Advanced or Homebuilt? (Tony Bonsell) 12. 10:29 AM - Zenair CH-601XL Special Airworthiness Certificate (jim) 13. 02:10 PM - Re: Canadian: Advanced or Homebuilt? (Trevor Page) 14. 02:34 PM - Number 230 (Zed Smith) 15. 03:13 PM - Re: Fuel Sender CH701 (Joe Bowling) 16. 03:22 PM - Photo Assembly Guide Print (Dave VanLanen) 17. 03:49 PM - Re: Static Ports for 701 (Gary Gower) 18. 04:05 PM - Re: Photo Assembly Guide Print (Kevin Thorp) 19. 04:15 PM - Re: Photo Assembly Guide Print (Paul Mulwitz) 20. 05:36 PM - Re: Photo Assembly Guide Print (Clyde Barcus) 21. 07:23 PM - Paint removal, aircraft stripper (William Jeffries) 22. 08:02 PM - Re: Photo Assembly Guide Print (NYTerminat@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:00 AM PST US From: "Larry Portouw" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" John, I've been very fortunate. My wife loves to fly- going places is the good part for her. She's taken the AOPA pinch-hitters course a couple of times and that seems to have help a bunch. I also got her gradually involved in the build by asking for help, first with double checking drawings and math, then with assembly and stuff like deburring parts. She's now toughest rivet inspector you'll ever meet. She's much more comfortable now that she's involved in the build, and has a say in the QC of the project. Oh, and I have a PA-22-135/150 Tri-pacer. Not ugly. Homely maybe, but not ugly. It'll outrun a Continental powered 172 and is a great short field/grass plane. You're right about the cost, though. That's why my Zodie will eventually replace the T-pacer. Just had a $2500 annual inspection- but that's another story for another list. Larry Portouw 601-XL Rudder done. H-stab 70% Atlanta, GA Safety / Wives??? From: "John Hines" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem has been convincing my wife that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on the side makes her very nervous. She is nervous enough when it doesn't say experimental. I don't even have my license yet and I have a fairly limited budget. I almost bought a Piper Colt but then started looking at the operating and maintenance costs. With 8gph plus maintenance plus fabric...it aint cheap. I'm also betting my life on 60 year old technology and a 55 year old airframe. I'm a big guy and don't fit very well in it. And the biggest thing is that it's ugly!! The 601 has nice sleek lines. It will cost a little more money than a Colt and it will take time. But I like building things. The satisfaction I would get from flying a plane I built would be incredible. If I could just get my wife to see that. She is reluctantly on board at this point but she rolls her eyes a lot and says "why do you have to get an experimental plane?" My birthday is tomorrow and she has agreed to send me to the builder's clinic at the Zenith factory in January. How did you guys get your wives completely on board? John Hines ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:23 AM PST US From: "Richard McLachlan" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan" Mine will not go in the Zodiac at any price - probably because it is a home built and we ran into serious problems with faulty engine mount brackets on it last year. I think she wonders what else may be lurking as yet undiscovered. She does not really like me flying it either. On the other hand, I also have an R22 helicopter and she will fly with me in that quite happily. Richard ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:36 AM PST US Subject: UPDATE - Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? From: "John Hines" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" Guys, Thanks for all the advice, it worked! She is going with me to the rudder workshop. I told her about the bed and breakfast in Mexico, MO so we are going to stay there and have a good time. John Hines -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Portouw Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" John, I've been very fortunate. My wife loves to fly- going places is the good part for her. She's taken the AOPA pinch-hitters course a couple of times and that seems to have help a bunch. I also got her gradually involved in the build by asking for help, first with double checking drawings and math, then with assembly and stuff like deburring parts. She's now toughest rivet inspector you'll ever meet. She's much more comfortable now that she's involved in the build, and has a say in the QC of the project. Oh, and I have a PA-22-135/150 Tri-pacer. Not ugly. Homely maybe, but not ugly. It'll outrun a Continental powered 172 and is a great short field/grass plane. You're right about the cost, though. That's why my Zodie will eventually replace the T-pacer. Just had a $2500 annual inspection- but that's another story for another list. Larry Portouw 601-XL Rudder done. H-stab 70% Atlanta, GA Safety / Wives??? From: "John Hines" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem has been convincing my wife that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on the side makes her very nervous. She is nervous enough when it doesn't say experimental. I don't even have my license yet and I have a fairly limited budget. I almost bought a Piper Colt but then started looking at the operating and maintenance costs. With 8gph plus maintenance plus fabric...it aint cheap. I'm also betting my life on 60 year old technology and a 55 year old airframe. I'm a big guy and don't fit very well in it. And the biggest thing is that it's ugly!! The 601 has nice sleek lines. It will cost a little more money than a Colt and it will take time. But I like building things. The satisfaction I would get from flying a plane I built would be incredible. If I could just get my wife to see that. She is reluctantly on board at this point but she rolls her eyes a lot and says "why do you have to get an experimental plane?" My birthday is tomorrow and she has agreed to send me to the builder's clinic at the Zenith factory in January. How did you guys get your wives completely on board? John Hines ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:44 AM PST US From: "Gig Giacona" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 80 Msgs - 11/08/05 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" John, The first thing you need to do is take her to the class with you. They will be happy to give her a demo ride as well. If she isn't on board after that you might want to reconsider building. > > Time: 07:58:29 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? > From: "John Hines" > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" > > > I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem has been convincing my wife > that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on the side makes her very > nervous. She is nervous enough when it doesn't say experimental. I > don't even have my license yet and I have a fairly limited budget. I > almost bought a Piper Colt but then started looking at the operating and > maintenance costs. With 8gph plus maintenance plus fabric...it aint > cheap. I'm also betting my life on 60 year old technology and a 55 year > old airframe. I'm a big guy and don't fit very well in it. And the > biggest thing is that it's ugly!! The 601 has nice sleek lines. It will > cost a little more money than a Colt and it will take time. But I like > building things. The satisfaction I would get from flying a plane I > built would be incredible. If I could just get my wife to see that. > She is reluctantly on board at this point but she rolls her eyes a lot > and says "why do you have to get an experimental plane?" My birthday is > tomorrow and she has agreed to send me to the builder's clinic at the > Zenith factory in January. How did you guys get your wives completely > on board? > > John Hines > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:52 AM PST US From: "Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: UPDATE - Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" John . . . I took my wife to a rudder workshop about 4 years ago - a very positive experience. I expected a lecture (by ZAC staffe) on construction techniques or something first, but they throw you right into construction. She later bragged about how she was riveting an airplane. Try Porkys for lunch or dinner - not fancy, but absolutely great ribs and pulled pork. Nancy is so much behind the plane project that she insisted we build a hanger on our farm property before the house. Now there's a keeper! Robert Schoenberger 701 55% ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hines" Subject: UPDATE - Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" > > > Guys, > > Thanks for all the advice, it worked! She is going with me to the > rudder workshop. I told her about the bed and breakfast in Mexico, MO > so we are going to stay there and have a good time. > > John Hines > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry > Portouw > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" > > John, > > I've been very fortunate. My wife loves to fly- going places is the > good > part for her. She's taken the AOPA pinch-hitters course a couple of > times > and that seems to have help a bunch. I also got her gradually involved > in > the build by asking for help, first with double checking drawings and > math, > then with assembly and stuff like deburring parts. She's now toughest > rivet > inspector you'll ever meet. She's much more comfortable now that she's > involved in the build, and has a say in the QC of the project. > > Oh, and I have a PA-22-135/150 Tri-pacer. Not ugly. Homely maybe, > but > not ugly. It'll outrun a Continental powered 172 and is a great short > field/grass plane. You're right about the cost, though. That's why my > Zodie will eventually replace the T-pacer. Just had a $2500 annual > inspection- but that's another story for another list. > > > Larry Portouw > > 601-XL > > Rudder done. H-stab 70% > > Atlanta, GA > > > Safety / Wives??? > > > From: > > "John Hines" > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Hines" > > > I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem has been convincing > my > wife > that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on the side makes her > very > nervous. She is nervous enough when it doesn't say experimental. > I > don't even have my license yet and I have a fairly limited budget. > I > almost bought a Piper Colt but then started looking at the > operating > and > maintenance costs. With 8gph plus maintenance plus fabric...it > aint > cheap. I'm also betting my life on 60 year old technology and a > 55 > year > old airframe. I'm a big guy and don't fit very well in it. And > the > biggest thing is that it's ugly!! The 601 has nice sleek lines. > It > will > cost a little more money than a Colt and it will take time. But I > like > building things. The satisfaction I would get from flying a plane > I > built would be incredible. If I could just get my wife to see > that. > She is reluctantly on board at this point but she rolls her eyes a > lot > and says "why do you have to get an experimental plane?" My > birthday > is > tomorrow and she has agreed to send me to the builder's clinic at > the > Zenith factory in January. How did you guys get your wives > completely > on board? > > John Hines > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:17 AM PST US From: "Mike Hoffman" Subject: Zenith-List: cogsdill backside deburring tools --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike Hoffman" Hi, Does anyone have any experience using cogsdill backside deburring tools? Looks like they would be a great time saver when trying to debur the undersides of ribs etc? Do not archive Mike Hoffman 701 kit tail group done, working on wings ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:48 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Dawna, you got a sister ? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:05 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Dawna, you got a sister ? Is she as smart as you ? ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:21 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Larry, are you back from the sand box ? If so, call me and fly down to Thomaston this week end and see my pretty XL. I will be trying to fly off the last 7.8 hours. Best regards, Bill ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:37 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Richard, sorry man, you got to ditch her. Nothing else you can do. Best regards, Dr. Phil do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:20 AM PST US From: "Tony Bonsell" Subject: Zenith-List: Canadian: Advanced or Homebuilt? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony Bonsell" Hi Guys! I'm in Canada, building a 701 from kits. Still waffling about engine choice. Got my wings done, control surfaces, rudder, elevator, 50% fuse. I had been planning to register it as an Advanced Ultralight, but the recent Kitfox bankruptcy and its ramifications for Advanced owners got me thinking. Along with the other restrictions, is Advanced really the way to go? And are the advantages of being a Homebuilt worth having to peel my wings and surfaces for inspections? Can I switch at all? Anybody have any advice? ****************************************************** Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 Voice: 905.852.3848 http://www.luxuria.com ****************************************************** ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:49 AM PST US From: "jim" Subject: Zenith-List: Zenair CH-601XL Special Airworthiness Certificate --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" I just sent an EMAIL to EAA with an adobe file containing the Special Airworthiness Certificate for my Zenair CH-601XL. The Zenair 601XL should show up shortly on their list of approved SLSAs. Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 jim@sportsplanes.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com >--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > >Larry, are you back from the sand box ? If so, call me and fly down to >Thomaston this week end and see my pretty XL. I will be trying to fly off the last >7.8 hours. Best regards, Bill > > Sent via the WebMail system at Engage IT ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:22 PM PST US From: Trevor Page Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canadian: Advanced or Homebuilt? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page Tony, the folks at the RAA are getting a little uptight about "advanced ultralights" so you will want to weigh this. If you go advanced be sure to keep everything legal as per Zenith requirements. You will gain the ability to carry a passenger and still do your own maintenance without the hassles of annual inspections and such. Homebuilt requires inspections and some feel the planes are "better" because of this. Also, factor in resale price. Advanced and homebuilt will construe a better resale down the line. Trev Page C-IDUS 601HD R912 On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:02 PM, Tony Bonsell wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony Bonsell" > > > Hi Guys! > > I'm in Canada, building a 701 from kits. Still waffling about > engine choice. > Got my wings done, control surfaces, rudder, elevator, 50% fuse. I > had been > planning to register it as an Advanced Ultralight, but the recent > Kitfox > bankruptcy and its ramifications for Advanced owners got me > thinking. Along > with the other restrictions, is Advanced really the way to go? And > are the > advantages of being a Homebuilt worth having to peel my wings and > surfaces > for inspections? Can I switch at all? > > Anybody have any advice? > > ****************************************************** > Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF > Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications > 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 > Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 > Voice: 905.852.3848 > http://www.luxuria.com > > ****************************************************** > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:46 PM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Number 230 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Happy Birthday, Thursday, 10 November 2005, to those on the List who know why. Semper Fi !! Zed/1920114USMC (1960-1964)/701/R912/90+% and working archive the heck out of it! ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:21 PM PST US From: Joe Bowling Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Sender CH701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joe Bowling Is there enough upper gravity feed to just connect the outer tank to the inner? doug kandle wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: doug kandle I just got off of the phone with Nick H. at Zenith. I am ready to install my fuel tanks. I purchased the long range option, so I have 4 tanks. The instructions have the fuel sender for the main tanks installed on the inboard side of the main tanks and the auxiliary tanks have their senders mounted on the top of the tank. I asked Nick if I can just mount the sender on the side of the outboard (aux) tank just like the main. The short of it is that he said I can mount the fuel level sender anywhere I like. But he said that the sender on the aux tanks are optional, I don't need to have them at all. This does have some appeal as it simplifies the installation. He suggested that if I don't have a fuel gauge for the aux tanks, that I take off on the mains, then switch to the aux tanks to use whatever fuel I had planned (using time to determine gallons), then switch back to the mains. Is anyone using the aux tanks with no fuel senders and is it working OK for you? -- Another topic I asked Nick about inspection plates. I want to be able to change the fuel lines and senders without skinning the wing. I asked if the plates needed to be considered a structural part of the wing. He said "yes they need to be considered a part of the structure". He went on to say that they needed to use nut plates and have enough screws so that it was just as strong as the original, uncut, skin (40mm spacing). I asked specifically about the use of plastic covers (mentioned on this list before), and I was told that they are for fabric planes with internal structure, not for metal planes where the strength of the plane is dependent on the skin. Doug Kandle CH701 Boise ID Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done Working on Wings From complete kit --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:59 PM PST US From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith-List: Photo Assembly Guide Print --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" Has anyone found a cheap way to print the photo assembly guide, in color, from the CD? I checked with Kinko's, and they would charge anywhere from $.49 to $.89 a page, which would get pretty expensive. I could print in black and white, but I think color lends more clarity to each step. Thanks, Dave Van Lanen Madison, WI 601 XL Do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:00 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Static Ports for 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower in my 701, no static port, only pitot tube. about 3 to 5 mph diference from GPS indicated in calm wind condition. average in 4 directions. Cruise 5,100 rpm 6,500 ft ASL. Indicated speed 93 mph. Will do some tests at diferent speeds in a couple of weeks. This week end is family time... Saludos Gary Gower Guadalajara, Mexico. 701 912S ray.stlaurent@vsea.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com 4 Hello fortunate flyers, After searching the archives I am still unclear. Is there a position for the static ports on a 701 that has been shown to be ?accurate?, or at least stable, especially at slow speeds? I have seen some references to using A5 rivets with their stems removed. Does that work or should I use store-bought ports? Thanks -- Ray 701, pegastol wings --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:50 PM PST US From: Kevin Thorp Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Photo Assembly Guide Print --> Zenith-List message posted by: Kevin Thorp Black & white should be about 1/10 the cost. Will you loose much, not having color? Some people set up a cheap computer in their workshops for viewing photos, web surfing, checking the latest Matronics chatter, etc. Wireless networking cards have really come down in price. Dave VanLanen wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" > >Has anyone found a cheap way to print the photo assembly guide, in color, >from the CD? I checked with Kinko's, and they would charge anywhere from >$.49 to $.89 a page, which would get pretty expensive. I could print in >black and white, but I think color lends more clarity to each step. > >Thanks, >Dave Van Lanen >Madison, WI >601 XL > >Do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:34 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Photo Assembly Guide Print --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz I opted for black and white 2-sided printing on my PC with low end laser printer (HP 1012). This is not as nice as color printouts, but the price is only the cost of some normal paper. You could probably buy one of these printers for the same price as your quote from Kinko's. On those occasions when you really want to see the color version of the pictures you can always look at them on your PC monitor. This is also a reasonable way to review each "Chapter" before actually building the parts in your shop. Good luck, Paul XL wings At 03:19 PM 11/9/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" > > >Has anyone found a cheap way to print the photo assembly guide, in color, >from the CD? I checked with Kinko's, and they would charge anywhere from >$.49 to $.89 a page, which would get pretty expensive. I could print in >black and white, but I think color lends more clarity to each step. > >Thanks, >Dave Van Lanen >Madison, WI >601 XL > >Do not archive > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:43 PM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Photo Assembly Guide Print --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" In the past I have used wireless on my laptop and connected to ZAC website to view their color pics, I stayed connected to their site for as long as I worked on my plane. It worked great, good resolution, much easier to see than the black and white photos they sent me. Clyde 601 XL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Photo Assembly Guide Print > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz > > > I opted for black and white 2-sided printing on my PC with low end > laser printer (HP 1012). > > This is not as nice as color printouts, but the price is only the > cost of some normal paper. You could probably buy one of these > printers for the same price as your quote from Kinko's. > > On those occasions when you really want to see the color version of > the pictures you can always look at them on your PC monitor. This is > also a reasonable way to review each "Chapter" before actually > building the parts in your shop. > > Good luck, > > Paul > XL wings > > At 03:19 PM 11/9/2005, you wrote: >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" >> >> >>Has anyone found a cheap way to print the photo assembly guide, in color, >>from the CD? I checked with Kinko's, and they would charge anywhere from >>$.49 to $.89 a page, which would get pretty expensive. I could print in >>black and white, but I think color lends more clarity to each step. >> >>Thanks, >>Dave Van Lanen >>Madison, WI >>601 XL >> >>Do not archive >> >> > > --------------------------------------------- > Paul Mulwitz > 32013 NE Dial Road > Camas, WA 98607 > --------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:59 PM PST US From: William Jeffries Subject: Zenith-List: Paint removal, aircraft stripper --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries Hello Listers, I have a 1974 Grumman Traveler that I'm restoring. I have found that modern day aircraft strippers have been weakened due to EPA requirements and they have not been very effective in removing the 30 year old paint. I haven't worked as an A&P for ten years now but I am starting to get back into the business. If there are any better ideas out there I'd sure like to here about them. I realize that this is off subject a bit as many of you a planing to shoot paint not strip it at this time. I do feel however that this could still be as useful discussion none the less. Thank you in advance, Bill Jeffries. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:11 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Photo Assembly Guide Print --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com I've just printed them out on my home computer. I refill the ink cartridge in my printer so it wasn't that bad. Just took time. I also have an old computer in my shop but still found that the printed pages are much more useful and you have the ability to make notes on the paper. Bob Spudis CH-701/912S