---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/10/05: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:09 AM - LOC... (Matt Dralle) 2. 04:56 AM - Re: Photo Assembly Guide Print (Edward Moody II) 3. 04:56 AM - Re: Number 230 (Edward Moody II) 4. 05:31 AM - Re: Photo Assembly Guide Print (N5SL) 5. 05:37 AM - Re: Paint removal, aircraft stripper (N5SL) 6. 05:44 AM - Re: Paint removal, aircraft stripper (ROBERT SCEPPA) 7. 06:34 AM - Re: Fuel Sender CH701 (Larry) 8. 08:40 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Larry Portouw) 9. 09:16 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 10. 09:17 AM - Re: Static Ports for 701 (ray.stlaurent@vsea.com) 11. 09:21 AM - Re: Number 230 (Paul Moore) 12. 10:14 AM - Gotta have more tools (Paul Moore) 13. 10:33 AM - wives (Brett Hanley) 14. 11:20 AM - Re: Photo Assembly Guide Print (Brian Briggerman) 15. 01:17 PM - Re: Number 230 (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 16. 01:43 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 11/09/05 (john butterfield) 17. 04:08 PM - Re: Photo Assembly Guide Print (Gary Gower) 18. 06:21 PM - Re: Paint removal, aircraft stripper (Tim & Diane Shankland) 19. 07:16 PM - Re: Paint removal, aircraft stripper (Mike Sinclair) 20. 07:37 PM - Re: Paint removal, aircraft stripper (NYTerminat@AOL.COM) 21. 10:27 PM - Re: Re: Static Ports for 701 (Gary Gower) 22. 10:28 PM - 6-W-6-2 Rear Rib Dimensions (rlendon@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:17 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: LOC... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Hi Listers, Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC? Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by popping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics Email Lists c/o Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:40 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Photo Assembly Guide Print --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" Try WalMart? do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith-List: Photo Assembly Guide Print > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" > > > Has anyone found a cheap way to print the photo assembly guide, in color, > from the CD? I checked with Kinko's, and they would charge anywhere from > $.49 to $.89 a page, which would get pretty expensive. I could print in > black and white, but I think color lends more clarity to each step. > > Thanks, > Dave Van Lanen > Madison, WI > 601 XL > > Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:40 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Number 230 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" Happy birthday jarheads, from a zoomie who knows why. Ed do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:48 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Photo Assembly Guide Print --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL I worked myself past the manuals a long time ago, but one thing I learned is that things change often in the ZAC manual world. It's best to print out only the part you are working on, and review the future stuff on the screen. If you build as slow as I do, by the time you finish one part, the next part will have a changed manual. But there's always a bright side -look at all the expensive scratch paper you'll have for the shop. Also don't forget to check the drawing updates or it will bite you (this is said with plenty teeth marks on me). Happy Building, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com DO NOT ARCHIVE NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com I've just printed them out on my home computer. I refill the ink cartridge in my printer so it wasn't that bad. Just took time. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:00 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint removal, aircraft stripper --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Bill: The gel-type stripper you can get at Wal-Mart works good on just about any paint. Just brush it on, wait a few minutes and clean up the huge mess (don't use the spray-bottle). Nothing but shiny metal when you are done. It cleans up with water. Wear gloves and be ready for a big mess. Good luck, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com William Jeffries wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries Hello Listers, I have a 1974 Grumman Traveler that I'm restoring. I have found that modern day aircraft strippers have been weakened due to EPA requirements and they have not been very effective in removing the 30 year old paint. I haven't worked as an A&P for ten years now but I am starting to get back into the business. If there are any better ideas out there I'd sure like to here about them. I realize that this is off subject a bit as many of you a planing to shoot paint not strip it at this time. I do feel however that this could still be as useful discussion none the less. Thank you in advance, Bill Jeffries. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:42 AM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint removal, aircraft stripper --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > I helped strip a Cessna Cardinal. We used an auto > motive stripper and used insulation dipped in > thinner to wash it off and then threw it away, since > it has dried off and can be thrown away in the trash > EPA says its ok. Bob Sceppa --- William Jeffries wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries > > > Hello Listers, > > I have a 1974 Grumman Traveler that I'm restoring. > I have found that modern day aircraft strippers have > been weakened due to EPA requirements and they have > not been very effective in removing the 30 year old > paint. I haven't worked as an A&P for ten years now > but I am starting to get back into the business. If > there are any better ideas out there I'd sure like > to here about them. I realize that this is off > subject a bit as many of you a planing to shoot > paint not strip it at this time. I do feel however > that this could still be as useful discussion none > the less. > > Thank you in advance, Bill Jeffries. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > _-> > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > __________________________________ http://farechase.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:23 AM PST US From: "Larry" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Sender CH701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" I am having to pull all my tanks. Even though the PegaStol wings have a total of 24 inspection plates, none of them let you view fuel line connections at the tanks. A major oversight in my opinion. I will install additional ones before I put new tanks in. I will build my own on top of the wings on each side of the tanks so they can be removed and I can look directly at and get to the fittings. Nick is right about the structure issue. However, you can buy round inspection plates with re-enforcement rings from Aircraft Spruce for a little more than $3.50 each. That is what PegaStol uses for it's 24 inspection plates. Larry, N1345L, www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Bowling" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Sender CH701 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joe Bowling > > Is there enough upper gravity feed to just connect the outer tank to the > inner? > > doug kandle wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted > by: doug kandle > > I just got off of the phone with Nick H. at Zenith. I am ready to > install my fuel tanks. I purchased the long range option, so I have > 4 tanks. The instructions have the fuel sender for the main tanks > installed on the inboard side of the main tanks and the auxiliary > tanks have their senders mounted on the top of the tank. I asked > Nick if I can just mount the sender on the side of the outboard (aux) > tank just like the main. The short of it is that he said I can mount > the fuel level sender anywhere I like. But he said that the sender > on the aux tanks are optional, I don't need to have them at > all. This does have some appeal as it simplifies the installation. > > He suggested that if I don't have a fuel gauge for the aux tanks, > that I take off on the mains, then switch to the aux tanks to use > whatever fuel I had planned (using time to determine gallons), then > switch back to the mains. > > Is anyone using the aux tanks with no fuel senders and is it working > OK for you? > > -- Another topic > I asked Nick about inspection plates. I want to be able to change > the fuel lines and senders without skinning the wing. I asked if the > plates needed to be considered a structural part of the wing. He > said "yes they need to be considered a part of the structure". He > went on to say that they needed to use nut plates and have enough > screws so that it was just as strong as the original, uncut, skin > (40mm spacing). I asked specifically about the use of plastic covers > (mentioned on this list before), and I was told that they are for > fabric planes with internal structure, not for metal planes where the > strength of the plane is dependent on the skin. > > > Doug Kandle > CH701 > Boise ID > Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done Working on Wings > From complete kit > > > --------------------------------- > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:50 AM PST US From: "Larry Portouw" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" Bill, Yup, back from big sand box. Spent a week in Washington, DC too. Not sure which is more dangerous. I got out of DC with my IQ and integrity intact, so I guess it was a successful trip. I'll give you a call- I really want to see your project. My T-pacer isn't making full power, although it runs smoothly, so will be at Berry Hill trying to figure that one out on Friday, if we don't have any more hotel bombings. Had the engine off during the annual, so I suspect it's partially on carb heat, or something like that. Regards, Larry Portouw Do not archive Time: 09:39:21 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Safety / Wives??? --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Larry, are you back from the sand box ? If so, call me and fly down to Thomaston this week end and see my pretty XL. I will be trying to fly off the last 7.8 hours. Best regards, Bill ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:29 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Larry, great your back, on your TP we have a fellow in the chapter who is presently restoring two TPs. Fact is, this weekend he got the brown one running. Seems to be real smart fellow on the TP. His name is Harold Spivey, and an all round fine fellow. His hanger is at Thomaston as well. If you come down I'll call him and perhaps you can talk with him concerning you mill problem. Oh, pleasant and relaxing Veteran's Day to us ! Best regards, Bill ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:59 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Static Ports for 701 From: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com Hi Gary, Belated thanks for your response. Have you noticed much difference between vents open or closed? I will also have a heater fan --- more needed at my latitude. Thanks -- Ray New Brunswick, Canada From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Static Ports for 701 in my 701, no static port, only pitot tube. about 3 to 5 mph diference from GPS indicated in calm wind condition. average in 4 directions. Cruise 5,100 rpm 6,500 ft ASL. Indicated speed 93 mph. Will do some tests at diferent speeds in a couple of weeks. This week end is family time... Saludos Gary Gower Guadalajara, Mexico. 701 912S ray.stlaurent(at)vsea.com wrote: Hello fortunate flyers, After searching the archives I am still unclear. Is there a position for the static ports on a 701 that has been shown to be ?accurate?, or at least stable, especially at slow speeds? I have seen some references to using A5 rivets with their stems removed. Does that work or should I use store-bought ports? Thanks -- Ray 701, pegastol wings ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:39 AM PST US From: "Paul Moore" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Number 230 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" Hoorah! And a very heartfelt thanks to ALL veterans on the 11th - thanks for making my life as comfortable as it is - I owe you big time! Paul XL-0200 -----Original Message----- From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Number 230 Happy Birthday, Thursday, 10 November 2005, to those on the List who know why. Semper Fi !! Zed/1920114USMC (1960-1964)/701/R912/90+% and working Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:47 AM PST US From: "Paul Moore" Subject: Zenith-List: Gotta have more tools --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" Sorry for the diversion but thought everyone might enjoy a little levity. For all you "Tool Guys" (yep, I'm one too!) See how many of these you have!! 1. DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against that freshly painted part you were drying. 2. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint whorls and hard-earned guitar calluses in about the time it takes you to say, "SH**!!!" 3. ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning pop rivets in their holes until you die of old age 4. PLIERS: Used to round off hexagonal bolt heads. 5. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle: It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. 6. VISE GRIP PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. 7. OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for setting various flammable objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside a wheel hub you're trying to get the bearing race out of and for warping thin sheet metal beyond it's useful limit. 8. WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or 1/2 socket you've been searching for the last 15 minutes. 9. SNAP-ON GASKET SCRAPER: Theoretically useful as a sandwich tool for spreading mayonnaise; used mainly for removing dog feces from your boots. 10. E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool that snaps off in bolt holes and is ten times harder than any known drill bit. 11. TWO-TON HYDRAULIC ENGINE HOIST: A handy tool for testing the tensile strength of bolts and fuel lines you forgot to disconnect. 12. CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A large prying tool that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end without the handle. 13. AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw. 14. TROUBLE LIGHT: The home builder's own tanning booth. Sometimes called drop light, it is a good source of vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin," which is not otherwise found around aircraft at night. Health benefits aside, its main purpose is to consume 40-watt light bulbs at about the same rate that 105-mm howitzer shells might be used during, say, the first few hours of the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark than light, its name is somewhat misleading. 15. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and squirt oil on your shirt; can also be used, as the name implies, to round off the interiors of Phillips screw heads. 16. AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that travels by hose to an Pneumatic rivet gun that smashes rivet heads. Also powers the pneumatic drill that is used to drill out and undo the majority of those same rivets. 17. PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part. 18. HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to cut hoses 1/2 inch too short. 19. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer now-a-days is used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive parts not far from the object we are trying to hit. 20. MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on boxes containing upholstered items, chrome-plated metal, plastic parts, and unwary fingers. Paul Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:01 AM PST US From: Brett Hanley Subject: Zenith-List: wives --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley You just have to explain things to your loving wife. Help her get her priorities in order. Try something like the following. "You have to understand dear, we can always go out and sit in the plane if need be but we will never be able to fly that new couch." Please let us know how it goes!! Brett Do not archive __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:44 AM PST US From: "Brian Briggerman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Photo Assembly Guide Print --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Briggerman" Dave: I printed mine in black and white and when I need clarification, I go to the computer to get them in color. You can zoom in to get a closer look till the clarity goes away. I printed the March 31st updates for the 601 in black and white and then they reissued them on August 18th. So if I had printed them in color I would have had a lot larger expense than I had because I wanted the updates. Brian Briggerman 601XL Arizona ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:53 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Number 230 --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Your very welcome, Best regards, Bill of Georgia 505WP 601XL-3300w/DC ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:08 PM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 11/09/05 --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield hi list Semper fi on our birthday. as to the photo guide, i print several sections at a time on my hp office jet and put them in a binder. As i work on the machine, i keep track (sorta) of the time and any comments i may have on the back of each page. I guess at the end, i will build a builders log and attache it to the guide. I actually don't know the cost of printing on my hp, but usually i only print 10-20 pages at a time, so it seems cheap john butterfield 601XL, corvair --- Zenith-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Zenith-List Digest can also be > found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes > the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features > Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the > plain ASCII version > of the Zenith-List Digest and can be viewed with a > generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2005-11-09.html > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2005-11-09.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > > > Zenith-List Digest > Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed > 11/09/05: 22 > > > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 03:25 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Larry > Portouw) > 2. 05:06 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? (Richard > McLachlan) > 3. 05:21 AM - UPDATE - Safety / Wives??? (John > Hines) > 4. 06:09 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 80 Msgs - > 11/08/05 (Gig Giacona) > 5. 06:58 AM - Re: UPDATE - Safety / Wives??? > (Robert Schoenberger) > 6. 08:57 AM - cogsdill backside deburring tools > (Mike Hoffman) > 7. 09:18 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? > (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) > 8. 09:20 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? > (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) > 9. 09:39 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? > (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) > 10. 09:42 AM - Re: Safety / Wives??? > (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) > 11. 10:04 AM - Canadian: Advanced or Homebuilt? > (Tony Bonsell) > 12. 10:29 AM - Zenair CH-601XL Special > Airworthiness Certificate (jim) > 13. 02:10 PM - Re: Canadian: Advanced or > Homebuilt? (Trevor Page) > 14. 02:34 PM - Number 230 (Zed Smith) > 15. 03:13 PM - Re: Fuel Sender CH701 (Joe > Bowling) > 16. 03:22 PM - Photo Assembly Guide Print (Dave > VanLanen) > 17. 03:49 PM - Re: Static Ports for 701 (Gary > Gower) > 18. 04:05 PM - Re: Photo Assembly Guide Print > (Kevin Thorp) > 19. 04:15 PM - Re: Photo Assembly Guide Print > (Paul Mulwitz) > 20. 05:36 PM - Re: Photo Assembly Guide Print > (Clyde Barcus) > 21. 07:23 PM - Paint removal, aircraft stripper > (William Jeffries) > 22. 08:02 PM - Re: Photo Assembly Guide Print > (NYTerminat@aol.com) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:25:00 AM PST US > From: "Larry Portouw" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Safety / Wives??? > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" > > > John, > > I've been very fortunate. My wife loves to fly- > going places is the good > part for her. She's taken the AOPA pinch-hitters > course a couple of times > and that seems to have help a bunch. I also got her > gradually involved in > the build by asking for help, first with double > checking drawings and math, > then with assembly and stuff like deburring parts. > She's now toughest rivet > inspector you'll ever meet. She's much more > comfortable now that she's > involved in the build, and has a say in the QC of > the project. > > Oh, and I have a PA-22-135/150 Tri-pacer. Not > ugly. Homely maybe, but > not ugly. It'll outrun a Continental powered 172 > and is a great short > field/grass plane. You're right about the cost, > though. That's why my > Zodie will eventually replace the T-pacer. Just had > a $2500 annual > inspection- but that's another story for another > list. > > > Larry Portouw > > 601-XL > > Rudder done. H-stab 70% > > Atlanta, GA > > > Safety / Wives??? > > > From: > > "John Hines" > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John > Hines" > > > I agree that it's a safe plane. The problem > has been convincing my > wife > that it is safe. The word "Experimental" on > the side makes her very > nervous. She is nervous enough when it > doesn't say experimental. I > don't even have my license yet and I have a > fairly limited budget. I > almost bought a Piper Colt but then started > looking at the operating > and > maintenance costs. With 8gph plus maintenance > plus fabric...it aint > cheap. I'm also betting my life on 60 year > old technology and a 55 > year > old airframe. I'm a big guy and don't fit > very well in it. And the > biggest thing is that it's ugly!! The 601 has > nice sleek lines. It > will > cost a little more money than a Colt and it > will take time. But I > like > building things. The satisfaction I would get > from flying a plane I > built would be incredible. If I could just > get my wife to see that. > She is reluctantly on board at this point but > she rolls her eyes a lot > and says "why do you have to get an > experimental plane?" My birthday > is > tomorrow and she has agreed to send me to the > builder's clinic at the > Zenith factory in January. How did you guys > get your wives completely > on board? > > John Hines > > > > > > === message truncated === ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:50 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Photo Assembly Guide Print --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Dave, I printed them in B&W and they are perfectly clear, I got the same idea, but not needed, remember that aluminum is silver color (gray in printing) so color is useless :-) Coper cleacos are darker than the silver ones, so no way to get confused. Saludos Gary Gower. 701 912S Flying from Chapala in Mexico. Dave VanLanen wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" Has anyone found a cheap way to print the photo assembly guide, in color, from the CD? I checked with Kinko's, and they would charge anywhere from $.49 to $.89 a page, which would get pretty expensive. I could print in black and white, but I think color lends more clarity to each step. Thanks, Dave Van Lanen Madison, WI 601 XL Do not archive --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:50 PM PST US From: Tim & Diane Shankland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint removal, aircraft stripper --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland Bill, Be very careful with the Grumman, I owned a Cheetah for about ten years. Much of the skin of the Grumman is glued on and many paint strippers will penetrate and loosen the adhesive. As I recall the only approved method of paint removal was a type of bead blasting with corn or something similar. Tim Shankland William Jeffries wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries > >Hello Listers, > >I have a 1974 Grumman Traveler that I'm restoring. I have found that modern day aircraft strippers have been weakened due to EPA requirements and they have not been very effective in removing the 30 year old paint. I haven't worked as an A&P for ten years now but I am starting to get back into the business. If there are any better ideas out there I'd sure like to here about them. I realize that this is off subject a bit as many of you a planing to shoot paint not strip it at this time. I do feel however that this could still be as useful discussion none the less. > >Thank you in advance, Bill Jeffries. > > >--------------------------------- > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:40 PM PST US From: Mike Sinclair Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint removal, aircraft stripper --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair I recall seeing a Grumman Yankee at a small airport in the Tucson area in the mid 70's that the guy had tried to strip. I didn't get that close a look at it, but from the talk of some of the pilots around the area, the plane was virtually totaled because of the paint remover. Just my two cents worth. Mike Sinclair Tim & Diane Shankland wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland > > Bill, > Be very careful with the Grumman, I owned a Cheetah for about ten years. > Much of the skin of the Grumman is glued on and many paint strippers > will penetrate and loosen the adhesive. As I recall the only approved > method of paint removal was a type of bead blasting with corn or > something similar. > > Tim Shankland > > William Jeffries wrote: > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries > > > >Hello Listers, > > > >I have a 1974 Grumman Traveler that I'm restoring. I have found that modern day aircraft strippers have been weakened due to EPA requirements and they have not been very effective in removing the 30 year old paint. I haven't worked as an A&P for ten years now but I am starting to get back into the business. If there are any better ideas out there I'd sure like to here about them. I realize that this is off subject a bit as many of you a planing to shoot paint not strip it at this time. I do feel however that this could still be as useful discussion none the less. > > > >Thank you in advance, Bill Jeffries. > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:29 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint removal, aircraft stripper --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com GOOD POINT! do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:14 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Static Ports for 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Well, we normally fly with the vents open all year round (the round ones in the window?) . Is not very hot here, but the vents opened are confortable. I will try with them closed also. Sometimes when we cruise at 11,500 ft ASL , when we cross the Sierra to the coast, we open a little the cabin heat... Saludos Gary Gower. ray.stlaurent@vsea.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com Hi Gary, Belated thanks for your response. Have you noticed much difference between vents open or closed? I will also have a heater fan --- more needed at my latitude. Thanks -- Ray New Brunswick, Canada From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Static Ports for 701 in my 701, no static port, only pitot tube. about 3 to 5 mph diference from GPS indicated in calm wind condition. average in 4 directions. Cruise 5,100 rpm 6,500 ft ASL. Indicated speed 93 mph. Will do some tests at diferent speeds in a couple of weeks. This week end is family time... Saludos Gary Gower Guadalajara, Mexico. 701 912S ray.stlaurent(at)vsea.com wrote: Hello fortunate flyers, After searching the archives I am still unclear. Is there a position for the static ports on a 701 that has been shown to be ?accurate?, or at least stable, especially at slow speeds? I have seen some references to using A5 rivets with their stems removed. Does that work or should I use store-bought ports? Thanks -- Ray 701, pegastol wings --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:26 PM PST US From: rlendon@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: 6-W-6-2 Rear Rib Dimensions --> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net Plans Builders, I am making rear rib forms and would like to use manufacturing holes in the same location as the lightening holes. There is a reference dimension in the X axis of 500 or 475 but I don't see how to tie that information back to the 0,0 of the form detail. I have also requested clarification from Zenith. The print date is 09/04 Has anyone already solved this one? -- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder Plans Builders, I am making rear rib forms and would like to use manufacturing holes in the same location as the lightening holes. There is a reference dimension in the X axis of 500 or 475 but I don't see how to tie that information back to the 0,0 of the form detail. I have also requested clarification from Zenith. The print date is 09/04 Has anyone already solved this one? -- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder