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1. 05:42 AM - Re: 6-W-6-2 Rear Rib Dimensions (kevinbonds)
2. 06:40 AM - Rivnuts (Bob Gibfried)
3. 08:10 AM - Re: 6-W-6- Tooling Holes - 601XL (N5SL)
4. 08:35 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 11/10/05 (MillrML@aol.com)
5. 09:03 AM - Re: Rivnuts (Bryan Martin)
6. 11:33 AM - Re: 6-W-6- Tooling Holes - 601XL (kevinbonds)
7. 02:44 PM - 6-W-6-2 Rear Rib missing Dimension (rlendon@comcast.net)
8. 02:58 PM - Re: 6-W-6- Tooling Holes - 601XL (rlendon@comcast.net)
9. 05:27 PM - Paint Stripping (William Jeffries)
10. 07:01 PM - Re: Paint Stripping (Ron Crook)
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| Subject: | 6-W-6-2 Rear Rib Dimensions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Ron
This part is a little confusing, but the (0,0) is some distance off the edge
of the block. Seems a little strange, but you want to measure from the edge
of your block at station 33.8. So in other words at stations 508.8 and 533.8
from the (0,0) point. Clear as Mud?
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
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rlendon@comcast.net
Subject: Zenith-List: 6-W-6-2 Rear Rib Dimensions
--> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
Plans Builders,
I am making rear rib forms and would like to use manufacturing holes in the
same location as the lightening holes. There is a reference dimension in
the X axis of 500 or 475 but I don't see how to tie that information back to
the 0,0 of the form detail.
I have also requested clarification from Zenith. The print date is 09/04
Has anyone already solved this one?
--
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
Plans Builders,
I am making rear rib forms and would like to use manufacturing holes in the
same location as the lightening holes. There is a reference dimension in the
X axis of 500 or 475 but I don't see how to tie that information back to the
0,0 of the form detail.
I have also requested clarification from Zenith. The print date is 09/04
Has anyone already solved this one?
--
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842@cox.net>
Can anyone tell me how keyless rivnuts (10/32) are pulled. My rivnut setter
has only a 10/28 stud and head.
Thanks
Bob, Wichita
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| Subject: | 6-W-6- Tooling Holes - 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Kevin and Ron:
I would like to add to this discussion becuase it is important. This tripped me
up a few years ago when I was making my rib forms. After making my ribs (and
a set for somebody else) the problem became apparent when I tried to install
the bell crank brackets - the dimensions didn't work. I contacted ZAC about this
and they acknowledged a problem and issued a drawing update. The suggested
an alternate bellcrank location as a fix.
Ron, as I understand it, you are trying to establish the location of your tooling
holes so you can put a bolt through the forms to hold them together. You want
these holes to be the center of the lightening holes. Good idea. This is
where my holes were wrong and let me tell you why.
Let's get out our drawing 6-W-6. Mine is dated 2/02 and I bet yours is newer.
Just under the chart there is a rib labeled "rib blank." This is the sketch
that shows you where to put your holes and the reference point is important.
(The third hole shows 475mm on mine but was later updated to 500mm) On my drawing
it shows the reference point starting at the cutout (not at the edge of the
block). Measuring from the cutout, you end up with all of your holes 10mm too
far back (like mine are). You should measure from the edge of the block.
If you do it wrong, the problem shows up when you try to mount your Aileron Bell
Crank brackets on rib number 7 This is shown directly to the right of this
"rib blank" detail.
To sum it all up you don't tie these holes back to 0,0. (0,0 is used to establish
the curves of the blocks). Use the edge of your form block to establish the
hole locations. Better yet, draw rib number 7 first and try to locate the
bellcrank brackets as shown on the drawing. If they fit between the holes, you
are golden. If not, re-check everything and find the error.
Good luck Ron and enjoy the experience.
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
Installed spark plugs last night.
kevinbonds <kevinbonds@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds"
Ron
This part is a little confusing, but the (0,0) is some distance off the edge
of the block. Seems a little strange, but you want to measure from the edge
of your block at station 33.8. So in other words at stations 508.8 and 533.8
from the (0,0) point. Clear as Mud?
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rlendon@comcast.net
Subject: Zenith-List: 6-W-6-2 Rear Rib Dimensions
--> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
Plans Builders,
I am making rear rib forms and would like to use manufacturing holes in the
same location as the lightening holes. There is a reference dimension in
the X axis of 500 or 475 but I don't see how to tie that information back to
the 0,0 of the form detail.
I have also requested clarification from Zenith. The print date is 09/04
Has anyone already solved this one?
--
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
Plans Builders,
I am making rear rib forms and would like to use manufacturing holes in the
same location as the lightening holes. There is a reference dimension in the
X axis of 500 or 475 but I don't see how to tie that information back to the
0,0 of the form detail.
I have also requested clarification from Zenith. The print date is 09/04
Has anyone already solved this one?
--
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 11/10/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MillrML@aol.com
Matt,
can not find your LOC to verify my name on list...????
Pay Pal contribution of $50, Nov. 7
Mike Miller
_millrml@aol.com_ (mailto:millrml@aol.com)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
You'll either need to order a 10-32 stud for your rivnut setter or get one
of the low cost 10-32 rivnut or nutsert setting tools. The expendable
nutsert tools from Aircraft Spruce are $5.20.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842@cox.net>
>
> Can anyone tell me how keyless rivnuts (10/32) are pulled. My rivnut setter
> has only a 10/28 stud and head.
>
> Thanks
>
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| Subject: | 6-W-6- Tooling Holes - 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Ron
Scott is correct. I didn't make it very clear that you do not measure from
the cutout. But the edge of the block should theoretically start at 33.8mm
along the centerline.
Measuring for the bellcrank to check is a good idea.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 6-W-6- Tooling Holes - 601XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Kevin and Ron:
I would like to add to this discussion becuase it is important. This
tripped me up a few years ago when I was making my rib forms. After making
my ribs (and a set for somebody else) the problem became apparent when I
tried to install the bell crank brackets - the dimensions didn't work. I
contacted ZAC about this and they acknowledged a problem and issued a
drawing update. The suggested an alternate bellcrank location as a fix.
Ron, as I understand it, you are trying to establish the location of your
tooling holes so you can put a bolt through the forms to hold them together.
You want these holes to be the center of the lightening holes. Good idea.
This is where my holes were wrong and let me tell you why.
Let's get out our drawing 6-W-6. Mine is dated 2/02 and I bet yours is
newer. Just under the chart there is a rib labeled "rib blank." This is
the sketch that shows you where to put your holes and the reference point is
important. (The third hole shows 475mm on mine but was later updated to
500mm) On my drawing it shows the reference point starting at the cutout
(not at the edge of the block). Measuring from the cutout, you end up with
all of your holes 10mm too far back (like mine are). You should measure
from the edge of the block. If you do it wrong, the problem shows up when
you try to mount your Aileron Bell Crank brackets on rib number 7 This is
shown directly to the right of this "rib blank" detail.
To sum it all up you don't tie these holes back to 0,0. (0,0 is used to
establish the curves of the blocks). Use the edge of your form block to
establish the hole locations. Better yet, draw rib number 7 first and try
to locate the bellcrank brackets as shown on the drawing. If they fit
between the holes, you are golden. If not, re-check everything and find the
error.
Good luck Ron and enjoy the experience.
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
Installed spark plugs last night.
kevinbonds <kevinbonds@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds"
Ron
This part is a little confusing, but the (0,0) is some distance off the edge
of the block. Seems a little strange, but you want to measure from the edge
of your block at station 33.8. So in other words at stations 508.8 and 533.8
from the (0,0) point. Clear as Mud?
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rlendon@comcast.net
Subject: Zenith-List: 6-W-6-2 Rear Rib Dimensions
--> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
Plans Builders,
I am making rear rib forms and would like to use manufacturing holes in the
same location as the lightening holes. There is a reference dimension in
the X axis of 500 or 475 but I don't see how to tie that information back to
the 0,0 of the form detail.
I have also requested clarification from Zenith. The print date is 09/04
Has anyone already solved this one?
--
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
Plans Builders,
I am making rear rib forms and would like to use manufacturing holes in the
same location as the lightening holes. There is a reference dimension in the
X axis of 500 or 475 but I don't see how to tie that information back to the
0,0 of the form detail.
I have also requested clarification from Zenith. The print date is 09/04
Has anyone already solved this one?
--
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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| Subject: | 6-W-6-2 Rear Rib missing Dimension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
Kevin,
I had your reply confirmed by Caleb at Zenith. He went out to the shop and actually
measured a rib on the form. 33.8 is the missing piece of the puzzle. So
for those who look for this next time it will be here in the archives.
Zenith should update that print so all dimensions come from the same reference
0,0. You are correct with the 508.8 and 533.8 being the distance from 0,0.
--
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> Ron
>
> This part is a little confusing, but the (0,0) is some distance off the edge
> of the block. Seems a little strange, but you want to measure from the edge
> of your block at station 33.8. So in other words at stations 508.8 and 533.8
> from the (0,0) point. Clear as Mud?
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> rlendon@comcast.net
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: 6-W-6-2 Rear Rib Dimensions
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
>
> Plans Builders,
>
> I am making rear rib forms and would like to use manufacturing holes in the
> same location as the lightening holes. There is a reference dimension in
> the X axis of 500 or 475 but I don't see how to tie that information back to
> the 0,0 of the form detail.
>
> I have also requested clarification from Zenith. The print date is 09/04
>
> Has anyone already solved this one?
> --
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
>
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| Subject: | 6-W-6- Tooling Holes - 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
Scott,
I work in the engineering environment as a guy who makes the stuff for the engineers.
I am very familar the mistakes they make and when it is not crystal clear
I stop and ask for clairfication. It sounds like you and Kevin both had an
issue with this. I looked in the archives and found nothing. This will go
in for the next guy.
Caleb at Zenith went out to the shop and actually measured a rib on the form.
33.8 is the missing piece of the puzzle. So for those who look for this next
time it will be here in the archives.
Zenith should update that print so all dimensions come from the same reference
0,0. The correct dimensions of 508.8 not 475, and 533.8 not 500, being the distances
from 0,0.
--
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Kevin and Ron:
>
> I would like to add to this discussion becuase it is important. This tripped
me
> up a few years ago when I was making my rib forms. After making my ribs (and
a
> set for somebody else) the problem became apparent when I tried to install the
> bell crank brackets - the dimensions didn't work. I contacted ZAC about this
and
> they acknowledged a problem and issued a drawing update. The suggested an
> alternate bellcrank location as a fix.
>
> Ron, as I understand it, you are trying to establish the location of your
> tooling holes so you can put a bolt through the forms to hold them together.
> You want these holes to be the center of the lightening holes. Good idea. This
> is where my holes were wrong and let me tell you why.
>
> Let's get out our drawing 6-W-6. Mine is dated 2/02 and I bet yours is newer.
> Just under the chart there is a rib labeled "rib blank." This is the sketch
> that shows you where to put your holes and the reference point is important.
> (The third hole shows 475mm on mine but was later updated to 500mm) On my
> drawing it shows the reference point starting at the cutout (not at the edge
of
> the block). Measuring from the cutout, you end up with all of your holes 10mm
> too far back (like mine are). You should measure from the edge of the block.
> If you do it wrong, the problem shows up when you try to mount your Aileron Bell
> Crank brackets on rib number 7 This is shown directly to the right of this "rib
> blank" detail.
>
> To sum it all up you don't tie these holes back to 0,0. (0,0 is used to
> establish the curves of the blocks). Use the edge of your form block to
> establish the hole locations. Better yet, draw rib number 7 first and try to
> locate the bellcrank brackets as shown on the drawing. If they fit between
the
> holes, you are golden. If not, re-check everything and find the error.
>
> Good luck Ron and enjoy the experience.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> 601XL/Corvair
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
> Installed spark plugs last night.
>
> kevinbonds <kevinbonds@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds"
>
> Ron
>
> This part is a little confusing, but the (0,0) is some distance off the edge
> of the block. Seems a little strange, but you want to measure from the edge
> of your block at station 33.8. So in other words at stations 508.8 and 533.8
> from the (0,0) point. Clear as Mud?
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> rlendon@comcast.net
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: 6-W-6-2 Rear Rib Dimensions
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
>
> Plans Builders,
>
> I am making rear rib forms and would like to use manufacturing holes in the
> same location as the lightening holes. There is a reference dimension in
> the X axis of 500 or 475 but I don't see how to tie that information back to
> the 0,0 of the form detail.
>
> I have also requested clarification from Zenith. The print date is 09/04
>
> Has anyone already solved this one?
> --
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries <vair601@yahoo.com>
Listers,
Thanks to all that commented, as I will be getting with Grumman for greater clarifacation.
Maybe I'll give Jim Bede a call and ask him what I should do.
Thanks again, Bill Jeffries
601 Dreaming, going down for a test flight in September.
---------------------------------
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Crook" <ronflys701@hotmail.com>
Try efs 2500 from eviroteck I seen a guy strip an old cessna and u wouldn t
believe the numbers just dripped to the floor and though they were on the
plane and washed off with water pressure ?
Not even a visual sign around revits smoooooooooooth job
>From: William Jeffries <vair601@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Paint Stripping
>Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:26:28 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries <vair601@yahoo.com>
>
>Listers,
>
>Thanks to all that commented, as I will be getting with Grumman for greater
>clarifacation. Maybe I'll give Jim Bede a call and ask him what I should
>do.
>
>Thanks again, Bill Jeffries
>
>
>601 Dreaming, going down for a test flight in September.
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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