---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/12/05: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:37 AM - First Flight of N3577H (Rico Voss) 2. 11:40 AM - Highlight One (Matt Dralle) 3. 12:42 PM - Re: First Flight of N3577H (Larry McFarland) 4. 04:33 PM - Jabiru FW FWD cowl for 601 prop hub hole size (Mark Stauffer) 5. 04:58 PM - Fuselage access door (kevinbonds) 6. 05:03 PM - Re: First Flight of N3577H (n801bh@netzero.com) 7. 05:47 PM - Re: First Flight of N3577H (Steve Hulland) 8. 07:13 PM - Re: Fuselage access door (Matt & Jo) 9. 08:07 PM - Re: Fuselage access door (kevinbonds) 10. 08:14 PM - Re: Fuselage access door (kevinbonds) 11. 08:40 PM - Re: Fuselage access door (Jack Russell) 12. 09:33 PM - Re: Jabiru FW FWD cowl for 601 prop hub hole size (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 13. 09:41 PM - 601XL Flys 40 Hours (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 14. 09:47 PM - Re: 601XL Flys 40 Hours (Mark Stauffer) 15. 09:48 PM - Slow down, take it easy. (rlendon@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:44 AM PST US From: Rico Voss Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight of N3577H --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss On behalf of the builder, I'm pleased to announce the maiden flight of N3577H, a scratch-build HD created by Mr. Ray Huffman of Kansas City. After most of a decade of building, Ray got the airworthiness certificate this fall, and has been making finishing touches since then. This morning's first flight was made by an experienced test pilot, under less-than-ideal conditions, at Gardner, KS. Winds were 15-20, but straight down the runway.. After a couple fast taxi/hops, he lifted off, circled the pattern, and landed. Another take-off took him farther out to do some steep turns, slow flight with power-on near-stall, and back for landing. Plane is a plans-built HD, empty weight of 743, Subaru EA-81, Dave Johnson reduction gear (belt), Warp 68" 3-blade prop set at 14 deg. (IIRC) Performance sounded typical HD -- sensitive controls, slightly heavy left wing, easy climb at 700 fpm, speed of 100 indicated at almost-full throttle. On this day after Veterans Day, there is no-one more deserving of this honor than Ray. He is experienced naval aviator, with numerous combat missions in WW-II, flying Corsairs and Hellcats, including carrier operations. Working with early plans, he has persisted in building his plane, while continuing to work a part time job. He's looking to get some more time-in-type before taking the controls, but shouldn't have any trouble with his experience. Ray is not on the internet, but he is a first-class gentleman, and deserves credit for achieving this goal. He has my congratulations. --Richard V, XL fuse, back at it do not archive __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:23 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: Highlight One --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Please make a Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of the Email List Forums at Matronics. There is no commercial advertising on any of the Lists to support their operation, and it is solely YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS that keeps these Lists up and running. Please take a second to make your Contribution today at the secure website: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Over the next few days I will be highlighting each one of the awesome Free Gifts available along with this year's List Fund Raiser. 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Archives are stored on the CD in standard ASCII Text format and you can use any number of other programs to view and modify the data according to your personal preferences. This is a great resource that everyone that's ever been subscribed to a Matronics List should have in their library! The CD will be created with archives current as of December 1 of 2005. To receive your copy, head over to the List Contribution Web site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:04 PM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight of N3577H --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Rico, Please extend a hearty congratulations to Ray on this achievement. I hope he finds the aircraft as much fun to fly as it was to build. If it's possible, perhaps the rest of the aircraft data could be transmitted thru you for him. Would be interested in the specifics of his engine installation, paint, airspeed, rpms etc. Way to go Ray! Larry McFarland - Plans built 601HDS with Stratus Subaru. www.macsmachine.com do not archive Rico Voss wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss > >On behalf of the builder, I'm pleased to announce the >maiden flight of N3577H, a scratch-build HD created by Mr. >Ray Huffman of Kansas City. > >After most of a decade of building, Ray got the >airworthiness certificate this fall, and has been making >finishing touches since then. This morning's first flight >was made by an experienced test pilot, under >less-than-ideal conditions, at Gardner, KS. Winds were >15-20, but straight down the runway.. After a couple fast >taxi/hops, he lifted off, circled the pattern, and landed. > Another take-off took him farther out to do some steep >turns, slow flight with power-on near-stall, and back for >landing. > >Plane is a plans-built HD, empty weight of 743, Subaru >EA-81, Dave Johnson reduction gear (belt), Warp 68" 3-blade >prop set at 14 deg. (IIRC) > >Performance sounded typical HD -- sensitive controls, >slightly heavy left wing, easy climb at 700 fpm, speed of >100 indicated at almost-full throttle. > >On this day after Veterans Day, there is no-one more >deserving of this honor than Ray. He is experienced naval >aviator, with numerous combat missions in WW-II, flying >Corsairs and Hellcats, including carrier operations. >Working with early plans, he has persisted in building his >plane, while continuing to work a part time job. He's >looking to get some more time-in-type before taking the >controls, but shouldn't have any trouble with his >experience. > >Ray is not on the internet, but he is a first-class >gentleman, and deserves credit for achieving this goal. He >has my congratulations. > >--Richard V, XL fuse, back at it > >do not archive > > > > >__________________________________ > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:18 PM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru FW FWD cowl for 601 prop hub hole size --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" Fellow 601 builders, How large did you make the hole for the prop hub? Right now I'm looking at 3" but I'm not really sure it's big enough or too big. Thanks for any help you may provide!! Mark Stauffer Odenton, MD Working on firewall fwd. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:22 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: Zenith-List: Fuselage access door --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Is anyone out there installing the new bottom fuselage access door? This will require the first install of rivnuts that I have had to do. Anyone have a good suggestion for the 3/32 rivets? They will have to be countersunk. How should I do this? Dimple or the microstop, countersink method? Any suggestions? Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:18 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight of N3577H --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" Ray is not on the internet, but he is a first-class gentleman, and deserves credit for achieving this goal. He has my congratulations. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Another one leaves the nest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Congrats to you guys,,, do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com Ray is not on the internet, but he is a first-class gentleman, and deserves credit for achieving this goal. He has my congratulations. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Another one leaves the nest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Congrats to you guys,,, do not archive BenHaas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:53 PM PST US From: Steve Hulland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight of N3577H --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland Great that Ray is flying. During the past few hours I deleted all of my saved and starred email. If you have emailed me about possible purchase of my airplane and or are waiting some other reply, please respond to this email so that I can get things started again. The joys of surviving a stroke are amazing - Ha! But I am relearning and coming along reasonable well. Worked on my tractor today. seems being seat belted in helps keep me focused. I lose interest in what I am doing after 5 minutes or so. Computer, store books, reading, working in yard, etc. So, I keep going from one to another after forcing myself to stick with any one thing for at least five minutes. Did so with this email. Seems to be helping. Semper Fi, Steve Hulland CH 701 Amado, AZ DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:04 PM PST US From: "Matt & Jo" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage access door --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" Kevin, I just finished up the access door. I used solid rivets and nut plates with a dimple set. It worked well. Take a look at my web site. http://www.zodiacxl.com/Rear%20Fusealage.htm Cheers, Matt www.zodiacxl.com > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" > > Is anyone out there installing the new bottom fuselage access door? This > will require the first install of rivnuts that I have had to do. Anyone > have > a good suggestion for the 3/32 rivets? They will have to be countersunk. > How > should I do this? Dimple or the microstop, countersink method? Any > suggestions? > > > Kevin Bonds > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:08 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuselage access door --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Sorry all Don't know where my brain is. I meant to say nutplates, not rivnuts. Guess I'm going nuts! (pun intended). As I said they need 3/32 countersunk rivets. Don't know the best way to do this. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinbonds Subject: Zenith-List: Fuselage access door --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Is anyone out there installing the new bottom fuselage access door? This will require the first install of rivnuts that I have had to do. Anyone have a good suggestion for the 3/32 rivets? They will have to be countersunk. How should I do this? Dimple or the microstop, countersink method? Any suggestions? Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:59 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuselage access door --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Thanks Matt Nice pics. That's what I was looking for. Looks like I need to call the supply house. Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building. Empennage done; working on wings and engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt & Jo Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage access door --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" Kevin, I just finished up the access door. I used solid rivets and nut plates with a dimple set. It worked well. Take a look at my web site. http://www.zodiacxl.com/Rear%20Fusealage.htm Cheers, Matt www.zodiacxl.com > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" > > Is anyone out there installing the new bottom fuselage access door? This > will require the first install of rivnuts that I have had to do. Anyone > have > a good suggestion for the 3/32 rivets? They will have to be countersunk. > How > should I do this? Dimple or the microstop, countersink method? Any > suggestions? > > > Kevin Bonds > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:43 PM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage access door --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell I started to use 3/32 pop rivets on the nut plates after fighting those tiny squeeze rivets. Much easier and since it is just holding the plate it is not a structural issue. jack in Los Osos, Ca ( Plane at Fresno) > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" > > Is anyone out there installing the new bottom fuselage access door? This > will require the first install of rivnuts that I have had to do. Anyone > have > a good suggestion for the 3/32 rivets? They will have to be countersunk. Jack Russell -Clovis CA 601 XL Jabiru 3300 Progress update at: http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:09 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru FW FWD cowl for 601 prop hub hole size --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Mark, there is no correct answer and it may grow in size and shape. Take some gray primer and spray the hub, insure the inside lips of the half hole in the cowl shell are also painted, put cowls back of and start her up. Rev the engine, shut down and inspect if no paint is rubbed your fine. Maybe fine, cause under full power the engine really swings in the mounts and may rub. If you find a place, note where the paint is rubbed off on the hole in the cowl and drimmel out a bit more. Took me three times to get it right and you don't want it too much larger then necessary, Best of luck, Bill 601XL-3300w/DC ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:44 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Flys 40 Hours --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Dear Thread Builder and Flying Friends, I want to let all you fine folks know that my 'baby' completed her 40th hour this pm. It felt great to leap over another flying hurtle. And because of some of you and your discussions and assistance it was made possible, I appreciate your interest and help, I owe you folks a bunch.Taking the Wife up in the morning, Hope she's ready for it. Best regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300w/DC ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:24 PM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Flys 40 Hours --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" Congratulations! When you get a chance I'd be interested in your performance figures. Mark 601XL Jabiru 3300 Firewall Fwd Odenton, MD Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Flys 40 Hours --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Dear Thread Builder and Flying Friends, I want to let all you fine folks know that my 'baby' completed her 40th hour this pm. It felt great to leap over another flying hurtle. And because of some of you and your discussions and assistance it was made possible, I appreciate your interest and help, I owe you folks a bunch.Taking the Wife up in the morning, Hope she's ready for it. Best regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300w/DC ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:43 PM PST US From: rlendon@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: Slow down, take it easy. --> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net Plans Builders, I was so excited to be starting the second rib form I got a little ahead of myself and didn't double check my measurements before cutting. The process I used: layout grid, layout points on grid, check points dimensions (didn't do that on rib 2), connect points (the cut line), two way tape second board to first board, saw them out as one, grind to line, drill mfg holes (lighting hole centers), radius edges, separate forms, grind 10 degree back draft on each board (making R & L parts). I had made rib 1 and 2 on the same day and didn't catch it till I was getting ready to cut #3. I was going to back draft all three ribs tonight and noticed #2's trailing edge was smaller 10mm than #1. I'm pretty sure the flap is the symmetrical and this didn't make sense. Well I was able to save it and make it a rib 5. Now I have rib 1, 3, & 5 ready to make parts. Lesson: Measure Twice, Cut Once. -- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/