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1. 12:11 AM - Highlight Two (Matt Dralle)
2. 11:18 AM - Painting bubble doors (fred sanford)
3. 11:28 AM - Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips (Debo Cox)
4. 12:16 PM - Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips (Carlos Sa)
5. 12:41 PM - Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips (Paul Mulwitz)
6. 01:04 PM - Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips (Mike Fothergill)
7. 01:45 PM - Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips (Dave Austin)
8. 01:52 PM - Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips (john H)
9. 02:23 PM - Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips (Larry McFarland)
10. 05:53 PM - Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips (Larry)
11. 08:25 PM - Zodiac stabilizer tips (George Swinford)
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| Subject: | Painting bubble doors |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: fred sanford <sonar1@cox.net>
I thought it would look better to paint the bottom half of the bubble
doors on the 701 - look more like a regular airplane.
Thank goodness I got talked out of it!
I'm spending all of my time in the air looking through the bottom half
of the doors!
If anyone else was so inclined - to paint the door - I highly recommend
against it.........
Fred Sanford N9701 14 hours and enjoying every minute.
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| Subject: | Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>
In the interest of saving a little weight and, let's be honest, not having to
fabricate the darn fool things, I'm considering leaving the fiberglass tips off
of my 601HD stabilizer and just making a flush fit on the ends. My questions
are these...
Can anyone point me to some pictures of someone who's done this? If it's just
plain ugly, I'll stick 'em on there, but I'm also curious if they provide any
real aerodynamic fairing i.e. less drag. I guess my question is are they all
show, or do they help go? Thanks in advance.
Debo Cox
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
I'm betting on "pig lipstick".
Carlos Sa
Montreal, Canada
CH601-HD, plans 0.02% complete
Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Debo
Cox
In the interest of saving a little weight and, let's be honest, not having to
fabricate the darn fool things, I'm considering leaving the fiberglass tips
off of my 601HD stabilizer and just making a flush fit on the ends. My questions
are these...
Can anyone point me to some pictures of someone who's done this? If it's just
plain ugly, I'll stick 'em on there, but I'm also curious if they provide any
real aerodynamic fairing i.e. less drag. I guess my question is are they all
show, or do they help go? Thanks in advance.
Debo Cox
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Debo,
I have had several communications with ZAC over a similar feature on
the rudder that shows on my prints but was not included in my
kit. They assured me the rudder fiberglass tip is purely
cosmetic. I suppose the tips on the stabilizer are about the same -
but they were included in the kit.
The rudder just has a relatively flat piece of sheet metal mounted on
a strip of metal and riveted to the skin most of the way around. I
suspect a similar approach would work with the stabilizer. If you
want, I can dig up a picture of the rudder and send it directly to
you. Just let me know if you want it.
Best regards,
Paul
XL wings
At 11:27 AM 11/16/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>
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>In the interest of saving a little weight and, let's be honest, not
>having to fabricate the darn fool things, I'm considering leaving
>the fiberglass tips off of my 601HD stabilizer and just making a
>flush fit on the ends. My questions are these...
>
> Can anyone point me to some pictures of someone who's done this?
> If it's just plain ugly, I'll stick 'em on there, but I'm also
> curious if they provide any real aerodynamic fairing i.e. less
> drag. I guess my question is are they all show, or do they help
> go? Thanks in advance.
>
> Debo Cox
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi; I recommend that you install the tips or legthen the elevator by a
couple of inches. The pitch stability can be marginal. I noticed an
improvement when the tips were retrofitted to my plane when it was an
HD. Not noticeable on HDS as wing area to elevator area ratio not as high.
Mike
CH-601HD converted to HDS
UHS Spinners
Debo Cox wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>
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> In the interest of saving a little weight and, let's be honest, not having to
fabricate the darn fool things, I'm considering leaving the fiberglass tips
off of my 601HD stabilizer and just making a flush fit on the ends. My questions
are these...
>
> Can anyone point me to some pictures of someone who's done this? If it's just
plain ugly, I'll stick 'em on there, but I'm also curious if they provide
any real aerodynamic fairing i.e. less drag. I guess my question is are they
all show, or do they help go? Thanks in advance.
>
> Debo Cox
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
I flew my 601 for three years without the tips. Then I realized that the
a/c was not stable in pitch, so I added 4 inches extra to each side of the
hor. stab. Worked great. The nose started to come up if I let go of the
stick in a dive. Good quality to have.
Then ZAC made the stab tips available. Put them on instead of my home made
extensions. Voila.. the nose still comes up!
For what it's worth.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
I have 120hrs on my 601HD without the stabilizer tips and it flys great. I
can't say if the tips make a difference because I don't have them. You don't
really need them or the weight as far as I can tell. There are alot of 601s
flying without them. The plane is a little sensitive in pitch but not so
that it isn't easily controlable. It's pretty much a 100mph airplane with
the 912 according to GPS readings. I don't think stabilizer tips or wheel
pants will make a whole lot of difference and will add extra weight. They
may make the plane look more sporty. I am going to add aileron trim so that
when I fly solo which is most often, I can trim the plane to fly hands off.
Elevator trim works good but the plane is heavy on the left side.
Just my opinnion which wouldn't even buy a cup of coffee
John
>From: Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips
>Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:27:33 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>
>
>In the interest of saving a little weight and, let's be honest, not having
>to fabricate the darn fool things, I'm considering leaving the fiberglass
>tips off of my 601HD stabilizer and just making a flush fit on the ends.
>My questions are these...
>
> Can anyone point me to some pictures of someone who's done this? If
>it's just plain ugly, I'll stick 'em on there, but I'm also curious if
>they provide any real aerodynamic fairing i.e. less drag. I guess my
>question is are they all show, or do they help go? Thanks in advance.
>
> Debo Cox
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Debo,
I did my own tips and was satisfied with the results. It's not a hard
thing to do, but takes a little time making forms.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/wingtips/full/left-wing-tip-&-light-mount.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly1/wingtocentersection/full/wwcalignment2.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/wingtips/full/wing-tip-form-in-fiberglass.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/601frontleftwpants.gif
You can find more pictures within the pages identified by the links above.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Debo Cox wrote:
> Can anyone point me to some pictures of someone who's done this? If it's just
plain ugly, I'll stick 'em on there, but I'm also curious if they provide
any real aerodynamic fairing i.e. less drag. I guess my question is are they
all show, or do they help go? Thanks in advance.
>
> Debo Cox
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
Anything that smoothes the air flow will help, maybe not much, but it all
adds up. Zenith is wrong on this one.
Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Hi Debo,
>
> I have had several communications with ZAC over a similar feature on
> the rudder that shows on my prints but was not included in my
> kit. They assured me the rudder fiberglass tip is purely
> cosmetic. I suppose the tips on the stabilizer are about the same -
> but they were included in the kit.
>
> The rudder just has a relatively flat piece of sheet metal mounted on
> a strip of metal and riveted to the skin most of the way around. I
> suspect a similar approach would work with the stabilizer. If you
> want, I can dig up a picture of the rudder and send it directly to
> you. Just let me know if you want it.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Paul
> XL wings
>
> At 11:27 AM 11/16/2005, you wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>
>>
>>In the interest of saving a little weight and, let's be honest, not
>>having to fabricate the darn fool things, I'm considering leaving
>>the fiberglass tips off of my 601HD stabilizer and just making a
>>flush fit on the ends. My questions are these...
>>
>> Can anyone point me to some pictures of someone who's done this?
>> If it's just plain ugly, I'll stick 'em on there, but I'm also
>> curious if they provide any real aerodynamic fairing i.e. less
>> drag. I guess my question is are they all show, or do they help
>> go? Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Debo Cox
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> Paul Mulwitz
> 32013 NE Dial Road
> Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Zodiac stabilizer tips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
My 601 HD drawings did not show the stab tips, and the kit did not include them.
I bought them after the stab was finished.
I secured a long sheet of sandpaper to a flat surface and sanded the open edge
of the fiberglass tips to obtain a flat true surface. I formed strips of the
standard .025 angle to the contour of the elevator and riveted those strips to
the end ribs, setting them inside contour to account for the thickness of the
fiberglass tip. I then drilled the tip and the contoured angles for A4 pop
rivets. The partial rib at the tail came with the kit, but it would be easy to
fabricate from a scrap of .016 aluminum. The nose contour of the fairing didn't
quite match the nose of my stab, but it was easy enough to reshape the fairing
with a plywood form and a heat gun. My tips fit well and look like original
equipment.
I hope this helps anyone considering a retrofit. I'm not flying yet, so I can't
speak to performance and stability issues.
George
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