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1. 12:14 AM - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? (Matt Dralle)
2. 07:04 AM - Popular Mechanics Article on SP and LSA (jim)
3. 08:06 AM - comm radio's (john butterfield)
4. 08:36 AM - Re: comm radio's (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
5. 08:53 AM - Re: comm radio's (Bill Denton)
6. 09:00 AM - ICOM A-200 (Zed Smith)
7. 09:12 AM - Re: comm radio's (ivor.phillips)
8. 09:14 AM - Re: comm radio's (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 09:36 AM - Re: comm radio's (jim)
10. 09:42 AM - Re: comm radio's (Bill Denton)
11. 10:26 AM - Re: ICOM A-200 (Matt & Jo)
12. 10:48 AM - Re: comm radio's (Rick R)
13. 01:02 PM - A-200 intercom (Zed Smith)
14. 04:14 PM - Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips (William J. Naumuk)
15. 04:19 PM - Open Insurance LSA question (JOHN STARN)
16. 05:09 PM - Re: Open Insurance LSA question (Larry McFarland)
17. 05:52 PM - Re: Popular Mechanics Article on SP and LSA (Robert Schoenberger)
18. 08:44 PM - EA-81 MOTOR MOUNT (Jim and Lucy)
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| Subject: | Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
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| Subject: | Popular Mechanics Article on SP and LSA |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
Suggest that you take a look at an excellent article that was in Popular Mechanics
Magazine (Nov 05 issue):
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/aviation/1959137.html
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
jim@sportsplanes.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
hi list.
back again for advise, thanks to those who responded
to my auto pilot question
now i am deciding on the comm radio. i want only comm
and not a vor setup
The icom and the austrailian radio's seem to be the
best option re price, performance, and size.
has anyone used either and how is the built in
intercom system, also general info and/or suggestions
would be helpful. The ability to monitor a second
freq. also seems like a nice feature.
thanks in advance
john butterfield
601XL/corvair
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Monitoring a second freq is a nice feature, specifically when flying
through contoleed airspace where you are handed from one controller to
the next.
I have used the ICOM A200 for six years and its been totally reliable
and easy to use radio.
It does not of course give you the abilty to monitor two freq's
simultaneously. I don't know of any single radio that will do that...I.e
you need two radios and an intercom panel that has the switching
function built in. These seem to be more aimed at the IFR market and
cost accordingly.
I used a simple external intercom on the advice of my avionics supplier
so I don't know how well it works.
My IFR based RV7 will have a non certified ICOM as my backup comm radio
Highly recommended unit.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john
butterfield
Subject: Zenith-List: comm radio's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
--> <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
hi list.
back again for advise, thanks to those who responded to my auto pilot
question
now i am deciding on the comm radio. i want only comm and not a vor
setup
The icom and the austrailian radio's seem to be the best option re
price, performance, and size.
has anyone used either and how is the built in intercom system, also
general info and/or suggestions would be helpful. The ability to monitor
a second freq. also seems like a nice feature.
thanks in advance
john butterfield
601XL/corvair
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
The Garmin SL40 & XCOM760 Coms both allow you to monitor two frequencies, as
does the Garmin SL30 Nav/Com and the Garmin GNS 480 Nav/Com/GPS...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: comm radio's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
Monitoring a second freq is a nice feature, specifically when flying
through contoleed airspace where you are handed from one controller to
the next.
I have used the ICOM A200 for six years and its been totally reliable
and easy to use radio.
It does not of course give you the abilty to monitor two freq's
simultaneously. I don't know of any single radio that will do that...I.e
you need two radios and an intercom panel that has the switching
function built in. These seem to be more aimed at the IFR market and
cost accordingly.
I used a simple external intercom on the advice of my avionics supplier
so I don't know how well it works.
My IFR based RV7 will have a non certified ICOM as my backup comm radio
Highly recommended unit.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john
butterfield
Subject: Zenith-List: comm radio's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
--> <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
hi list.
back again for advise, thanks to those who responded to my auto pilot
question
now i am deciding on the comm radio. i want only comm and not a vor
setup
The icom and the austrailian radio's seem to be the best option re
price, performance, and size.
has anyone used either and how is the built in intercom system, also
general info and/or suggestions would be helpful. The ability to monitor
a second freq. also seems like a nice feature.
thanks in advance
john butterfield
601XL/corvair
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
The A-200 is a good choice. The printed sheets included with unit are self-explanatory....if
you can install a car stereo you can do this unit.
Works well, not hindered by whistles & bells.
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Zed/701/R912/90+%/etc
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| Subject: | Re: comm radio's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
The Xcom radio does at a very attractive price,
http://www.mcp.com.au/xcom760/
Regards
Ivor Phillips
XS Europa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: comm radio's
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Monitoring a second freq is a nice feature, specifically when flying
> through contoleed airspace where you are handed from one controller to
> the next.
>
> I have used the ICOM A200 for six years and its been totally reliable
> and easy to use radio.
>
> It does not of course give you the abilty to monitor two freq's
> simultaneously. I don't know of any single radio that will do that...I.e
> you need two radios and an intercom panel that has the switching
> function built in. These seem to be more aimed at the IFR market and
> cost accordingly.
>
> I used a simple external intercom on the advice of my avionics supplier
> so I don't know how well it works.
>
> My IFR based RV7 will have a non certified ICOM as my backup comm radio
>
> Highly recommended unit.
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john
> butterfield
> To: zenith-list-digest@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: comm radio's
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
> --> <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>
> hi list.
>
> back again for advise, thanks to those who responded to my auto pilot
> question
>
> now i am deciding on the comm radio. i want only comm and not a vor
> setup
>
> The icom and the austrailian radio's seem to be the best option re
> price, performance, and size.
>
> has anyone used either and how is the built in intercom system, also
> general info and/or suggestions would be helpful. The ability to monitor
> a second freq. also seems like a nice feature.
>
> thanks in advance
>
> john butterfield
> 601XL/corvair
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
But does the radio itself do this or is that because the radio is wired
thru the intercom panel?
All of these radios are Nav/coms also, does a simple Com radio have this
functionality?
Frnk
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Denton
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: comm radio's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
The Garmin SL40 & XCOM760 Coms both allow you to monitor two
frequencies, as does the Garmin SL30 Nav/Com and the Garmin GNS 480
Nav/Com/GPS...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: comm radio's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
Monitoring a second freq is a nice feature, specifically when flying
through contoleed airspace where you are handed from one controller to
the next.
I have used the ICOM A200 for six years and its been totally reliable
and easy to use radio.
It does not of course give you the abilty to monitor two freq's
simultaneously. I don't know of any single radio that will do that...I.e
you need two radios and an intercom panel that has the switching
function built in. These seem to be more aimed at the IFR market and
cost accordingly.
I used a simple external intercom on the advice of my avionics supplier
so I don't know how well it works.
My IFR based RV7 will have a non certified ICOM as my backup comm radio
Highly recommended unit.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john
butterfield
Subject: Zenith-List: comm radio's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
--> <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
hi list.
back again for advise, thanks to those who responded to my auto pilot
question
now i am deciding on the comm radio. i want only comm and not a vor
setup
The icom and the austrailian radio's seem to be the best option re
price, performance, and size.
has anyone used either and how is the built in intercom system, also
general info and/or suggestions would be helpful. The ability to monitor
a second freq. also seems like a nice feature.
thanks in advance
john butterfield
601XL/corvair
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| Subject: | Re: comm radio's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
You may want to consider the Garmin GNC-250 which gives you comm and a VFR GPS.
Pretty good prices on these.
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
jim@sportsplanes.com
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>
>hi list.
>
>back again for advise, thanks to those who responded
>to my auto pilot question
>
>now i am deciding on the comm radio. i want only comm
>and not a vor setup
>
>The icom and the austrailian radio's seem to be the
>best option re price, performance, and size.
>
>has anyone used either and how is the built in
>intercom system, also general info and/or suggestions
>would be helpful. The ability to monitor a second
>freq. also seems like a nice feature.
>
>thanks in advance
>
>john butterfield
>601XL/corvair
>
>
Sent via the WebMail system at Engage IT
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
As I originally noted: "Garmin SL40 & XCOM760 COMS". These two are Com only
units, the others are as I noted.
And with all of the radios I referenced, the "Monitor" (Garmin) or "Dual
Watch" (XCOM) is built in to the radio. And since both radios have built-in
intercoms, you can monitor both channels even without an audio panel or
external intercom.
Go to the respective web sites and download the User's Manual, they both
explain the process quite well...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: comm radio's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
But does the radio itself do this or is that because the radio is wired
thru the intercom panel?
All of these radios are Nav/coms also, does a simple Com radio have this
functionality?
Frnk
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Denton
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: comm radio's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
The Garmin SL40 & XCOM760 Coms both allow you to monitor two
frequencies, as does the Garmin SL30 Nav/Com and the Garmin GNS 480
Nav/Com/GPS...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: comm radio's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
Monitoring a second freq is a nice feature, specifically when flying
through contoleed airspace where you are handed from one controller to
the next.
I have used the ICOM A200 for six years and its been totally reliable
and easy to use radio.
It does not of course give you the abilty to monitor two freq's
simultaneously. I don't know of any single radio that will do that...I.e
you need two radios and an intercom panel that has the switching
function built in. These seem to be more aimed at the IFR market and
cost accordingly.
I used a simple external intercom on the advice of my avionics supplier
so I don't know how well it works.
My IFR based RV7 will have a non certified ICOM as my backup comm radio
Highly recommended unit.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john
butterfield
Subject: Zenith-List: comm radio's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
--> <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
hi list.
back again for advise, thanks to those who responded to my auto pilot
question
now i am deciding on the comm radio. i want only comm and not a vor
setup
The icom and the austrailian radio's seem to be the best option re
price, performance, and size.
has anyone used either and how is the built in intercom system, also
general info and/or suggestions would be helpful. The ability to monitor
a second freq. also seems like a nice feature.
thanks in advance
john butterfield
601XL/corvair
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
I have been looking at the A-200 also. How well does the internal intercom
work?
-
From: "Zed Smith" <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
>
> The A-200 is a good choice. The printed sheets included with unit are
> self-explanatory....if you can install a car stereo you can do this unit.
> Works well, not hindered by whistles & bells.
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| Subject: | Re: comm radio's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R <n701rr@yahoo.com>
Without sounding like a commercial, I opted for the VAL COMM 760:
Height: 1.40 in (3.56 cm)
Width: 6.25 in (15.88 cm)
Depth: 12.50 in (31.75 cm)
Weight: 3.0 lbs (1.36 kg
Power Output: 8 Watts Carrier, 50 Ohm load
Sidetone: Adjustable up to 50 mw into 600 Ohm load
Sale price: 675.00
When "A Chopper is Born" was on, they were using the VAL 760 in the trainer Mark
was using. Above all, I could see the large display even on TV! At 52 years
old, my eyes ain't what they used to be and I ordered one right then and there....
http://valavionics.com/valavionicscgi/store/VALstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=VAL_COM_760
Rick
Orlando, FL. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Can't speak for/against intercom......don't have anybody to shout at while in flight.
Seriously though, it appears to be well thought out, well built.
In a previous plane, with two David Clark H10-30 headsets, the intercom was okay....but
no passenger means no real test.
Possibly someone will pop up with truth and justice.
Regards,
Zed/701/R912/etc/etc/...
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fiberglass Stabilizer Tips
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Debo,
> I did my own tips and was satisfied with the results. It's not a hard
> thing to do, but takes a little time making forms.
> Debo,
My advice is not to do anything irreversable for a while. If you turn
into an OCB (Obsessive Compulsive Builder) like I have over the years,
you'll have made more work for yourself. If you're just working on the stab,
there's plenty of plane to go.
That said, for some inexplicable reason Zenith wants nearly $90 a side
for the the stab tips, but only $30 for wing tips ribs, which in my
estimation are much more complex. For $30 I'll let them do it. For $90,
even though I detest working with fiberglass, I'd give it a shot myself.
Up to you, bud.
Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Open Insurance LSA question |
"rocket-list" <rocket-list@matronics.com>, <zenith-list@matronics.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
What is the latest on obtaining insurance for LSA pilots using only a
current drivers license for a medical. Thinking of waiting for RV-12 or
starting on a 601XL. Would like to do Young Eagle flights etc but also need
total package of flight insurance to rent a hanger, getting a finishing loan
etc. Private ticket, current in several types w/o going thru the class 3
hoops every time.
KABONG Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Open Insurance LSA question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
John,
The insurance obtained for LSA aircraft is not much of an issue cost
wise, but each person
is evaluated by his logged time and flight history. I'd not think you'd
have problems getting
insurance at a price comparable with the Experimental aircraft, standard
aircraft, LSA or not.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
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JOHN STARN wrote:
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>What is the latest on obtaining insurance for LSA pilots using only a
>current drivers license for a medical. Thinking of waiting for RV-12 or
>starting on a 601XL. Would like to do Young Eagle flights etc but also need
>total package of flight insurance to rent a hanger, getting a finishing loan
>etc. Private ticket, current in several types w/o going thru the class 3
>hoops every time.
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| Subject: | Re: Popular Mechanics Article on SP and LSA |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Thanks Jim . . . I saw this article in the bookstore and read it. Good
article. Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Popular Mechanics Article on SP and LSA
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> Suggest that you take a look at an excellent article that was in Popular
> Mechanics Magazine (Nov 05 issue):
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> http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/aviation/1959137.html
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Pellien
> Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
> www.MASPL.com
> 703-313-4818
> jim@sportsplanes.com
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| Subject: | EA-81 MOTOR MOUNT |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@ciaccess.com>
Hi Bob
My friend has a reductions unit on his zodiac in my hangar.
I could take some pics of the top view if it would help.
His cowling opens at the top on hinges. It would not be so
easy to get the rest of the cowl off especially since he is
out of the country now.
Jim Pollard
Merlin Ont
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