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1. 04:03 AM - Re: Sealing holes etc. (John)
2. 04:07 AM - Re: rivets (John)
3. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: rivets (Paul Mulwitz)
4. 05:34 AM - Re: First flight 1776G (Rick Campbell)
5. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: rivets (crvsecretary@aol.com)
6. 06:10 AM - Re: First flight 1776G (Jean-Paul Roy)
7. 06:17 AM - Re: Good deal on rivets (Don Mountain)
8. 06:26 AM - Propellers (Frank L Laczko)
9. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: rivets (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
10. 06:57 AM - Re: Propellers (ivor.phillips)
11. 07:20 AM - Re: First flight 1776G (ruruny@aol.com)
12. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: rivets (ron dewees)
13. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: rivets (Rico Voss)
14. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: rivets (Larry McFarland)
15. 07:59 AM - Re: Structure failure and accidents. (Paul Mulwitz)
16. 08:05 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 601 side skins forward of the firewall (John M. Goodings)
17. 08:19 AM - Re: Structure failure and accidents. (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
18. 08:41 AM - Re: Structure failure and accidents. (Bill Denton)
19. 08:53 AM - Re: Structure failure and accidents. (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
20. 08:55 AM - Re: Structure failure and accidents. (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
21. 10:35 AM - Re: Structure failure and accidents. (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
22. 02:38 PM - CH701 Slat Profiles (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
23. 03:21 PM - Re: CH701 Slat Profiles (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
24. 03:53 PM - First flight 1776G (Keystone Engineering LLC)
25. 04:05 PM - Re: CH701 Slat Profiles (Craig Payne)
26. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: rivets (Tebenkof@aol.com)
27. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: rivets (Paul Mulwitz)
28. 05:57 PM - What We Are Thankful For... (Matt Dralle)
29. 06:22 PM - Possible solution to gear strut failures on the 601HD and HDS series (Larry McFarland)
30. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: rivets - are we done yet? (Mike Fortunato)
31. 09:23 PM - Re: Re: First flight 1776G (Jean-Paul Roy)
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| Subject: | Re: Sealing holes etc. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
Doug, and for everyone else, I wouldn't put ANY silicone based caulk or sealant
on any surface that either needs painting or will be exposed to sunlight or that
you really want sealed. You will be disappointed. These are some of the most
overrated products sold. I'm not sure what I'll use, but in ALL my household
uses and short professional use, 99% of these items will fail over time, can't
be painted and are very difficult to completely remove. My opinion available
for what you just paid for it!
John
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
Well, I guess I'm a bit different from some of you guys. (and in a mood I guess
to pi** off some of you :)
I've been mainly scratch building and when I've needed rivets, I've simply called
up Zenith. Yes, they are much higher in price that some other sources, yes,
I'm a scrounger for a LOT of things, but I kind of think of this as allowing
them to make a bit of money off of me to compensate them for questions I've asked
(and will be asking). Kind of a commission. Ok, not really that much money,
but I do get the right rivets, not something a clerk drags up from the back
of the store that kind of looks like my rivet. And I don't spend extra time
looking when I could be working on pulling a few of the rivets. Asbestos longjohns
on!
Have a nice Thanksgiving!
John
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I am a kit builder, so rivet source is not an issue for me.
However, I understand the Avex rivets Zenith uses are selected for
superior strength in order to make them "Aircraft Grade" quality. I
don't know if anyone has asked Zenith exactly what this means in
terms of specifications, but I believe this selection is necessary to
really have an airworthy plane. It is also required to get your
plane built to the designer's assumptions. For me, this makes the
choice a no-brainer.
Paul
XL wings
At 04:07 AM 11/23/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
>
>Well, I guess I'm a bit different from some of you guys. (and in a
>mood I guess to pi** off some of you :)
>I've been mainly scratch building and when I've needed rivets, I've
>simply called up Zenith. Yes, they are much higher in price that
>some other sources, yes, I'm a scrounger for a LOT of things, but I
>kind of think of this as allowing them to make a bit of money off of
>me to compensate them for questions I've asked (and will be
>asking). Kind of a commission. Ok, not really that much money, but
>I do get the right rivets, not something a clerk drags up from the
>back of the store that kind of looks like my rivet. And I don't
>spend extra time looking when I could be working on pulling a few of
>the rivets. Asbestos longjohns on!
>Have a nice Thanksgiving!
>John
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | First flight 1776G |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Campbell" <rcampbell@me.vccs.edu>
Gary,
Congratulations on your completion! I have been following your progress
ever since you put up your web site several years ago. I don't know if
you remember me but I was at the ZAC builder's workshop with you over 5
years ago, I was also building an 801 rudder. I finished my 801 a couple
of months ago and am waiting on the airworthiness inspection. A few
weeks ago I decided I would try to paint before it got to cold. I have
most of the plane painted with the exception of the slats and lower
cowl. I ended up going with the Franklin 220 hp engine. I just wanted
you to know that your web site has been very beneficial and inspiring to
alot of builders. I have not flown an 801 since I attended the workshop
several years ago, any pointers you could offer would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
Rick (N1399X)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Liming
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:09 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight 1776G
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
>
> At 12:12 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC
> <keystone@gci.net>
> >
> >Gary
> >
> >I have 2 items to pass on. Don't use flaps in a cross wind and it
> >takes off quicker and climbs faster with 10 degrees flaps.
>
> I guess that's about 1 second on the switch! I'll try it.
>
> >What is your empty weight?
>
> Mine was 1224. With all the upholstery, I was happy with that. I
> have a pretty light (electronic) panel. What approach and touchdown
> speed do you target? Did you add any oilcanning bracing?
>
>
> >Enjoy flying your plane!
>
>
> Thanks, Bill.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
23/11/2005
Rick Campbell
rcampbell@me.vccs.edu
http://www.mecc.edu
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello John:
No need for the fire-retardant Union suit - I AGREE with you ! Well, maybe my
buying kits is a bit extreme, but it DOES support the manufacturer as well as
compliment my temperment to build and not hunt for materials.
Happy Thanksgiving !
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601XL N458XL (reserved)
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-----Original Message-----
From: John <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: rivets
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
Well, I guess I'm a bit different from some of you guys. (and in a mood I guess
to pi** off some of you :)
I've been mainly scratch building and when I've needed rivets, I've simply
called up Zenith. Yes, they are much higher in price that some other sources,
yes, I'm a scrounger for a LOT of things, but I kind of think of this as
allowing them to make a bit of money off of me to compensate them for questions
I've asked (and will be asking). Kind of a commission. Ok, not really that
much money, but I do get the right rivets, not something a clerk drags up from
the back of the store that kind of looks like my rivet. And I don't spend extra
time looking when I could be working on pulling a few of the rivets. Asbestos
longjohns on!
Have a nice Thanksgiving!
John
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| Subject: | Re: First flight 1776G |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
Hello, could someone be kind enough to post the link to Gary's website.
Tanks
Jean-Paul
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Campbell" <rcampbell@me.vccs.edu>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First flight 1776G
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Campbell" <rcampbell@me.vccs.edu>
>
> Gary,
> Congratulations on your completion! I have been following your progress
> ever since you put up your web site several years ago. I don't know if
> you remember me but I was at the ZAC builder's workshop with you over 5
> years ago, I was also building an 801 rudder. I finished my 801 a couple
> of months ago and am waiting on the airworthiness inspection. A few
> weeks ago I decided I would try to paint before it got to cold. I have
> most of the plane painted with the exception of the slats and lower
> cowl. I ended up going with the Franklin 220 hp engine. I just wanted
> you to know that your web site has been very beneficial and inspiring to
> alot of builders. I have not flown an 801 since I attended the workshop
> several years ago, any pointers you could offer would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick (N1399X)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Liming
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:09 AM
> > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight 1776G
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
> >
> > At 12:12 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote:
> > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC
> > <keystone@gci.net>
> > >
> > >Gary
> > >
> > >I have 2 items to pass on. Don't use flaps in a cross wind and it
> > >takes off quicker and climbs faster with 10 degrees flaps.
> >
> > I guess that's about 1 second on the switch! I'll try it.
> >
> > >What is your empty weight?
> >
> > Mine was 1224. With all the upholstery, I was happy with that. I
> > have a pretty light (electronic) panel. What approach and touchdown
> > speed do you target? Did you add any oilcanning bracing?
> >
> >
> > >Enjoy flying your plane!
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Bill.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> 23/11/2005
> Rick Campbell
> rcampbell@me.vccs.edu
> http://www.mecc.edu
>
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| Subject: | Re: Good deal on rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I think you guys need to be careful of your source of rivets for airplane construction.
As a licensed structural engineer, I deal with the strength of fasteners
all the time. And it is quite apparent that rivets that "look like" the
A4's and A5's that come from Zenith may only have materials that are less
than one quarter of the strength required to do the job. In other words, the
rivets from a Fastener store that look just like the high strength rivets from
Zenith may actually require four times as many in the aircraft to do the
same job handling the shear and tension required. So you need to know both the
size of the rivet and the shear strength, tensil capacity and fatigue capabilities
of the rivet to make the comparisons.
Don
I think I did better than that. I spent a half hour at the counter with
the head of sales at the Gerogia ACSS store and had A5 rivets with me to
compare with ACSS stock. He took a lot of time, got bags of 100 made up
from stock if they even looked close to my A5. We culled most of the
5/32 from catalog descriptions alone but looked at 4 bags of "likely
suspects" he brought out from stock.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank L Laczko <frank@laczko.com>
Does anyone on the list have any experience with either the Woodcomp or
the Airmaster in flight adjustable propellers on a CH601XL?
Thanks
Frank
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Paul, I asked a similar question of the ZAC folks at my workshop in '02. I
was told that they batch test the A4 & A5 by putting tear stress on them after
pulling then through a piece of aluminum. These numbers may be wrong because of
memory deterioration, but that the A4 took like a 180 pounds to tear and the
A5 was 220 pounds. Again these number may be incorrect as at time it seem to
satisfy my curiosity so I did not record. Nor do I remember if ZAC explained
exactly how the test was conducted. I have yet to hear anyone mention that a
properly drilled, deburred and pulled rivet they sold ever fail. Best regards for
the Thanksgiving, Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
If you check out the europa list, There has been a load of messages lately
on Woodcomp/Airmaster,
interesting reading,
It may be of help!
Ivor Phillips
Europa XS486
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank L Laczko" <frank@laczko.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Propellers
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank L Laczko <frank@laczko.com>
>
> Does anyone on the list have any experience with either the Woodcomp or
> the Airmaster in flight adjustable propellers on a CH601XL?
>
> Thanks
>
> Frank
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight 1776G |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ruruny@aol.com
Garys site is :
http://www.liming.org/ch801/
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
John,
I couldn't agree more except to note that the last time I ordered a few
hundred rivets from ZAC I ate the price ok, but got charged $8.50
shipping for a small box. If I was getting something larger, it would
have been insignificant, but by themselves it got outrageous. From what
I heard the secret English rivet source is moving to China so we may all
be looking at the same rivets in different boxes anyway.
Ron
do not archive
John wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
>
>Well, I guess I'm a bit different from some of you guys. (and in a mood I guess
to pi** off some of you :)
>I've been mainly scratch building and when I've needed rivets, I've simply called
up Zenith. Yes, they are much higher in price that some other sources, yes,
I'm a scrounger for a LOT of things, but I kind of think of this as allowing
them to make a bit of money off of me to compensate them for questions I've
asked (and will be asking). Kind of a commission. Ok, not really that much money,
but I do get the right rivets, not something a clerk drags up from the back
of the store that kind of looks like my rivet. And I don't spend extra time
looking when I could be working on pulling a few of the rivets. Asbestos longjohns
on!
>Have a nice Thanksgiving!
>John
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
Gentlemen,
All of the recent questions regarding rivets have been
thoroughly discussed in the past. If you search the
archives for "rivets", you will find all the How's, Why's,
Where-to-buys, etc.
You'll also find why it is important to include "do not
archive" in un-important posts, as the generous host of
this list has asked us to to.
Regards,
RJV
__________________________________
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
John and Paul,
I have to agree with you guys. You might use another source,
but what is your airworthiness inspector going to say about those few
rivets that eventually have
cracked about the periphery, or aren't quite seated the same. Or what
is your insurer going to say if you loose a skin
to rivets that were pulled beyond their plastic limit and departed
later? Or what happens to your planes value
when the buyer sees inconsistency in surfaces that suggests some rivets
pulled tight and others became loose. You
become the very liable entity if using less than aircraft quality rivets
causes the guy that flys your plane to have an accident.
Zenith rivets are not a cost issue. Zenith rivets are cheaper because
the aircraft designers have taken
the time to establish material requirements, grade and periodically test
them to find out if they have consistency and reliability for
the long term. As a scratch builder, I would not recommend the "open
market" for purchasing rivets that are a specified
component of the plans.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
>I am a kit builder, so rivet source is not an issue for me.
>
>However, I understand the Avex rivets Zenith uses are selected for
>superior strength in order to make them "Aircraft Grade" quality. I
>don't know if anyone has asked Zenith exactly what this means in
>terms of specifications,
>
>Paul
>XL wings
>
>At 04:07 AM 11/23/2005, you wrote:
>
>
>> Ok, not really that much money, but
>>I do get the right rivets, not something a clerk drags up from the
>>back of the store that kind of looks like my rivet. And I don't
>>spend extra time looking when I could be working on pulling a few of
>>the rivets. Asbestos longjohns on!
>>Have a nice Thanksgiving!
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Structure failure and accidents. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Bill,
You make a good point that rivet failure is not a problem on
Zodiacs. I have been digging into accident information for a while
now and it seems structural failure is essentially nonexistent in
Zodiacs. From my perspective, the vast majority of accident causes
for Zodiacs point to pilot error. This is consistent with other well
designed airplanes.
Still, as amateur builders we have a responsibility to perform
whatever quality control is done on our airplanes. This includes
insuring the materials used are consistent with the needs of the
design as specified by the designer. The risks of a major failure
due to poor quality rivets may be small, but that is one risk we can
easily avoid.
For my money, the best bet is to stick to rivets and other components
of the proper quality.
One side note (which seems to call for a steel cup jock strap)
obvious from the accident information above: We can do a lot more to
prevent accidents by improving our piloting skills than by improving
the quality of our rivets. Unfortunately, I have found that an
alarming number of amateur builders think issuance of a pilot
certificate marks the end of their need for training. I couldn't
agree with this position less. I believe the pilot skills we have
and the extra training we get to improve those skills are the most
important factor leading to survival as airplane pilots.
Paul
XL wings
At 06:25 AM 11/23/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
>Paul, I asked a similar question of the ZAC folks at my workshop in '02. I
>was told that they batch test the A4 & A5 by putting tear stress on
>them after
>pulling then through a piece of aluminum. These numbers may be wrong
>because of
>memory deterioration, but that the A4 took like a 180 pounds to tear and the
>A5 was 220 pounds. Again these number may be incorrect as at time it seem to
>satisfy my curiosity so I did not record. Nor do I remember if ZAC explained
>exactly how the test was conducted. I have yet to hear anyone mention that a
>properly drilled, deburred and pulled rivet they sold ever fail.
>Best regards for
>the Thanksgiving, Bill
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 601 side skins forward of the firewall |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca>
The original plans for the CH600 (mine date from 1965) had the side skins
trimmed flush with the firewall. Unfortunately, I did this, but it is not
a big deal. When I came to attach the cowl, I added back strips about 90
mm wide to protrude about 70 mm beyond the firewall. I match-drilled the
rivet holes in these strips to the rivet holes for attaching the side
skins to the firewall. The strips are rivetted on the outside of the
sideskins. One caution: the 90 mm strips are NOT straight; they curve
because the firewall curves in at the bottom. Do them with cardboard
first. The end result looks very good. It is possible that this approach
gives a closer fit to the cowl, so don't fret! You may end up with a
better product!
John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD (actually CH600.5!) with R912S, currently
95.3 hrs., Waterloo and Toronto.
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| Subject: | Re: Structure failure and accidents. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
<<<We can do a lot more to prevent accidents by improving our piloting skills
than by improving the quality of our rivets. >>>>
Boy...that's the best statement I've heard today. I don't mean to minimize
the importance of quality workmanship and materials....but as was pointed out,
structural failure on the Zodiac is almost unheard of. It's a well designed
plane.
Pilot error and engine failure seem to be the most common cause of accidents.
Dave
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Structure failure and accidents. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
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It seems that some are overlooking the fact that you can have a "failure"
that does not end in a "crash".
You can also have a failure that has only a limited impact on the structural
integrity of the aircraft.
Consider a situation where all of the rivets popped out of the upper
trailing edge of a wing flap. It would probably be noisy, but in most
instances the pilot should be able to execute a safe landing.
Just because there wasn't a crash doesn't mean that there wasn't a
failure...
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<<<We can do a lot more to prevent accidents by improving our piloting
skills
than by improving the quality of our rivets. >>>>
Boy...that's the best statement I've heard today. I don't mean to minimize
the importance of quality workmanship and materials....but as was pointed
out,
structural failure on the Zodiac is almost unheard of. It's a well designed
plane.
Pilot error and engine failure seem to be the most common cause of
accidents.
Dave
601XL/Corvair
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<<<<Consider a situation where all of the rivets popped out of the upper
trailing edge of a wing flap. It would probably be noisy, but in most
instances the pilot should be able to execute a safe landing.>>>>
Has this ever happened?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
<<<Just because there wasn't a crash doesn't mean that there wasn't a
failure...>>>>
Nor does every engine failure or "pilot error" result in a crash.
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| Subject: | Re: Structure failure and accidents. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Paul, ditto on the need. I stopped flying for 2.5 years while building even
though I wanted to. I just could not get interested enough in flying some
rental to rob building time and $. To get ready I flew a PA-28 for a dozen hours
with and without instructor and got current again, flew an HD, HDS and 4 hours
in an Alarus with instructor before I felt prepared to handle the unknown.
Thankfully, I received Divine Protection for those first couple test flights of
my XL. Course, perhaps the Big Fellow had me do all that training as prep so He
wouldn't have much to do when I finally flew her. Ha ! Best to you this
Thanksgiving, Bill
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| Subject: | CH701 Slat Profiles |
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Subject: CH701 Slat Profiles
From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Hello all,
This is for CH701 scratch builders. I have been working on some router templates
for my smaller-complex parts, and doing some touchup on my forming blocks, when
I did a comparison with my router template for my slat ribs (7S1-1), and my
slat-forming blocks. I noticed a difference between 7S1-1 layout and the slat
profile 7F13. I have attached a link to what I have come up with, and overlayed
to 2 on top of each other.
http://www.geocities.com/ch701builder/slat_differences.pdf
What a big difference. I must have built my forming block from the slat profile.
What have other builders used, or maybe kit-builders can lay their factory rib
on the full-scale drawing on 7F13, and see if there is a difference. What is
7F13 used for anyway? According to the photo guide, you do not use it for positioning
the slats.
I am using the following plans
Edition #4---6th printing---02/2002
Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!!
Keith
Building little parts!!
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Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH701 Slat Profiles
From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Sorry for the extra junk in the middle of the email!!
Keith
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| Subject: | First flight 1776G |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone@gci.net>
Gary
My empty weight is 1175 but I bet I'm up over 1200 with all the stuff I have added
since I weighed the plane. I'm thinking of weighting it again when I have
it hung up to install the floats.
I put 3/4"x3/8" weather stripping on most of the big areas in the back to reduce
the oil canning. Since I quit flying around in slow flight with power I have
not heard it oil canning. I have thought of replacing the weather stripping
with standard L to reduce the weight. We will see what happens.
I rotate 30-45 MPH depending on weight. When you are light, when the nose comes
up, it will fly. Best angle and best rate are 70 MPH. I normally climb at
80 for better cooling. I fly my pattern like I was in a Cessna. 1500 rpm abeam
the runway end. When I slow to 80 I drop 10 degrees flaps. another 10 on
base at 70 and another 10 turning final at 60, over the fence in the low 50's
and drop in the final 10. I have never had it drop out from under me because
I was too slow. Although every now and then I need to add some power to round
out. I need some space to do touch and goes, it takes some time to get the flaps
up and the trim reset.
Enjoy
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
Valdez, AK
>Gary
>
>I have 2 items to pass on. Don't use flaps in a cross wind and it
>takes off quicker and climbs faster with 10 degrees flaps.
I guess that's about 1 second on the switch! I'll try it.
>What is your empty weight?
Mine was 1224. With all the upholstery, I was happy with that. I
have a pretty light (electronic) panel. What approach and touchdown
speed do you target? Did you add any oilcanning bracing?
>Enjoy flying your plane!
Thanks, Bill.
Gary
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From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Sorry for the extra junk in the middle of the email!!
Keith
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
Paul,
I am not sure being a kit builder exempts you from having to shop for more
rivets. Due to drilled out mistakes, extra use of standard "L" to prevent oil
canning, and the appetite of the rivet troll who seems to live in my garage
I have re-ordered rivets from ZAC two times (so far).
May you have better luck.
Jim Greenough
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Jim,
I have been pretty lucky so far. At one point I sent an email saying
I had one more hole than A5 rivets to fill it. They sent me a packet
of 50 rivets with no charge for either the rivets or shipping. (It
turned out I had misplaced my bag of rivets and really had plenty to
finish the task at hand.)
On many occasions I have screwed up metal parts and ordered metal
from standard suppliers to replace the parts. Fortunately, 6061-T6
is readily available from many sources. It has been a fun challenge
to form the parts. I have purchased two bending brakes - one really
cheap one from Harbor Freight and a slightly larger one from
Grizley. I also made a wood press die to form lightening hole
flanges. I mentioned all this to point out that I too have had my
share of problems. Still, if I needed to buy rivets I would just buy
them from ZAC for the reasons mentioned before.
Best regards,
Paul
XL wings
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At 04:44 PM 11/23/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
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>Paul,
>
>I am not sure being a kit builder exempts you from having to shop for more
>rivets. Due to drilled out mistakes, extra use of standard "L" to
>prevent oil
>canning, and the appetite of the rivet troll who seems to live in my garage
>I have re-ordered rivets from ZAC two times (so far).
>May you have better luck.
>
>Jim Greenough
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | What We Are Thankful For... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
In the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of us
will be traveling to be with our families and friends and share in generous feasts
of plenty.
Many have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for the
Aviation Lists here on the Matronics servers and for all of the assistance and
comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. I think one of my
favorite comments is when someone says something like, "Its the first thing
I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!". That's a wonderful
tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its always great to hear
I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning to check my List email!!
I'm not sure why, but the number of Contributions have been a little low this year
compared to years past. Hopefully people are just waiting until the last
minute to make their List Support Contribution this year.
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade? Don't make me beg... :-) lol
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks to everyone that already made their Contribution!
Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Possible solution to gear strut failures on the 601HD and |
HDS series
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi guys,
I've been grousing over recent gear failures at the forward
weld-junction of the 1/8-inch gear-strut plates on the 601HD and HDS
series and want to increase strut-plate thickness on my 601HDS before
the cracking problem presents itself. I also want to get the same
alignment of the main gear without performing any welding near the
aircraft. For these reasons, I plan to cut the .058 wall gear strut
tubes half an inch above the strut plates to remove the thin 1/8" gear
plates when the aircraft is apart for painting this next spring.
I made a sample weld-assembly of 3/16-inch gear plate per (6-L-1) and
2-inch diameter, -inch wall 4130 tubes 2-inches long, that will be
bench-welded away from the airplane. The tubes will be turned down to
1.872 O.D. to half an inch of one end to fit inside the .058-wall strut
tube. (Note that some were made of .065 wall.) They will be slid up
into the cut-off gear struts with wheels and tires bolted in place, then
allowed to settle on the machined-shoulder as axially aligned on the
plane. They will be drilled front to back and through-bolted using an
AN-4 or 5 aircraft bolt and Nylock nut.
A proper fit with a small radius in the shoulder plus a wall thickness
of 1/8-inch material 1-1/2-inches up inside the strut tube and bolted,
will provide solid attachment that should not present a problem, even
for the wheel pants configured to fit per Zenith. I submitted this
process to Nick and I hope it meets with his approval.
The best of it is maintaining the length of the gear strut, all new
welds, and more importantly, no welding anywhere near the plane. Worst
of it is the extra
2.75 lbs added weight to get it done.
Anyway, I've placed a link to the drawing that comes up to a printable
size if you're curious.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/gear-plate-and-strut.gif
Do have a nice Thanksgiving,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: rivets - are we done yet? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fortunato <rsq2424@yahoo.com>
Guys,
Am I mistaken, or are the same guys that are choosing to fit their panel with
the latest in glass panel instrumentation, spending untold hours trying to save
half a penny on a rivet? Please, just buy 'em from ZAC. Ugh!
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Mike F.
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: First flight 1776G |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
Thank you kindly
Jean-Paul
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Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First flight 1776G
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ruruny@aol.com
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> Garys site is :
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