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1. 12:11 AM - Please Read - Who is "Matt Dralle" and What are "The Lists"...? (Matt Dralle)
2. 02:36 AM - Re: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendationDimpling and riveting tool recomendation (Larry Portouw)
3. 03:41 AM - Re: Dimpling and riveting tool recomendation (Clyde Barcus)
4. 06:44 AM - Re: Please Read - Who is "Matt Dralle" and What are "The Lists".... (Clmelenyzeriv@cs.com)
5. 06:55 AM - 701 tire pressure ? (Zed Smith)
6. 08:06 AM - Re: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- (Condon, Philip M.)
7. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: rivets (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
8. 09:34 AM - Pre-Heating a 601XL (jim)
9. 09:54 AM - Re: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the 601HD and HDS series (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
10. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- (Larry McFarland)
11. 10:53 AM - Pre-Heating on a cold day (Hildebrand, Eldo E)
12. 11:12 AM - Re: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the (Larry McFarland)
13. 11:19 AM - Re: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendationDimpling and riveting tool recomendation (kevinbonds)
14. 11:21 AM - Re: Dimpling and riveting tool recomendation (kevinbonds)
15. 11:33 AM - Re: 701 tire pressure ? (szewc@direcway.com)
16. 11:34 AM - Re: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation (Eddie Seve)
17. 11:39 AM - Interesting photos (Gsrth@aol.com)
18. 11:46 AM - Re: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation (kevinbonds)
19. 12:03 PM - Re: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation (Eddie Seve)
20. 12:04 PM - Re: 701 tire pressure ? (Chuck Deiterich)
21. 12:07 PM - Re: Interesting photos (Craig Payne)
22. 12:29 PM - Re: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the 601HD and HDS series (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
23. 12:35 PM - Re: Pre-Heating a 601XL (Dave Austin)
24. 01:05 PM - Re: Dimpling and riveting tool recomendation ()
25. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: Re: rivets ()
26. 01:38 PM - Thanks! Re: 701 tire pressure (Zed Smith)
27. 01:50 PM - 601XL Tire Pressure (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
28. 02:43 PM - Re: Fuel Flow measurement (RURUNY@aol.com)
29. 02:45 PM - Re: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation (Clyde Barcus)
30. 03:13 PM - Rivet Quantity in 601XL Kit (Re: Re: rivets (T. Graziano)
31. 03:25 PM - Re: 601XL Tire Pressure (george may)
32. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: Re: rivets (Paul Mulwitz)
33. 04:03 PM - Re: Re: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- (T. Graziano)
34. 04:39 PM - Re: 701 tire pressure?. (Gary Gower)
35. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- (Zodie Rocket)
36. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- (Michel Therrien)
37. 06:27 PM - Dimpling and riveting tool recomendation (rlendon@comcast.net)
38. 06:27 PM - Wing twist on 601xl (Doug Mattson)
39. 06:44 PM - Re: 601XL Tire Pressure ()
40. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- (rlendon@comcast.net)
41. 07:10 PM - Re: Wing twist on 601xl (Paul Mulwitz)
42. 07:28 PM - Re: Wing twist on 601xl (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
43. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- (Paul Moore)
44. 10:55 PM - Rivet copier (Craig Payne)
45. 11:05 PM - Re: Rivet copier (Eddie Seve)
46. 11:21 PM - Re: Rivet copier (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Please Read - Who is "Matt Dralle" and What are "The Lists"...? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for over 20 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I've also had a rather extensive background
in web development and CGI design during this period.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 50 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For the upmost in flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own
servers here locally. Other support systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched
network infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda
spam filter, a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial business T1 Internet
connection with static addressing.
The computer servers found here include two, dual processor Xeon Linux systems
dedicated to the email and web functions respectfully, and another P4 Linux system
serving as a remote storage disk farm for the archives, databases, and for
an on-line, hard drive-based backup system with 3.2 Terabytes of storage. This
entire system is protected by multiple commercial-grade uninterrupted power
supply (UPS) systems that assure the Lists are available even during a local
power outage!
I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists. Here's a new composite photo of the
List Computer Center following this Summer's upgrades!
http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It
is supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keep it running!
Please make a Contribution today to support these Lists!
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendationDimpling and |
riveting tool recomendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" <Larry@portouw.com>
Eddie,
I've gotta ask: why are you dimpling your skins? Are you using solid
rivets?
Larry Portouw
601XL -kit
Atlanta
Time:
09:13:55 PM PST US
Subject:
Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation
From:
"Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve"
<eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Kevin,
Have a look at the DRDT-2
I bought this dimpling tool to do the skins on my XL kit, it works
beautifully and there is no guessing about how hard the hammer blow
needs to be, you just pull the handle to compress the sheet metal
between the dies. It has an adjustable stop so you can't over do the
dimpling by exerting too much pressure and this guarantees that you
get
nice uniform dimples.
http://www.experimentalaero.com/
Regards,
Eddie Seve
<snip>
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpling and riveting tool recomendation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
Kevin
I have that tool and it works very well, especially on the nutplates. You
are welcome to come over and give it a try if you like.
Regards
Clyde
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From: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool recomendation
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> I need a recommendation on a good dimpling and riveting tool. I like the
> idea of this particular tool
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/handrivdimptool.php but,
> don't
> know much about it. It is described as a "hand" tool but doesn't describe
> how to use. Does anyone on this list have it? Does anyone know if it is a
> good tool for dimpling skins? How does it work? I need to install those
> nutplates and 3/32 flush rivets for the Fuse access door. Also would it
> work
> for the solid rivets for the spars? I have yet to make those. How about
> other suggestions? I have given some though to flush riveting certain
> sections of my plane like wings and fuse. Also with the above tool, do I
> need a rivet gun or can I use a hammer to set the rivets?
>
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> <http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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| Subject: | Re: Please Read - Who is "Matt Dralle" and What are "The |
Lists"....
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Clmelenyzeriv@cs.com
Matt,
Thanks for the "Who is" info and the pictures. It is great to put a face
with the man that helps inform and educate me.
C. L.
601XL
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| Subject: | 701 tire pressure ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Could the Fortunate Ones (those flying) share their experiences as to the tire
pressure in the standard ZAC-supplied tundra tires (with tubes) on the 701 on
grass runways?
Something in the range of 4 to 6 PSI looks okay in the hangar.
Thanks,
Zed/701/R912/still working
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| Subject: | RE: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- |
1.62 GAPPY_SUBJECT Subject": zenith-list@matronics.com
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
I imagine this is like "questioning the master", but I do question the
use of 3/16 inch 6061 T6 COLD bend Al.
That's pretty thick Al. to cold bend, even with a radius. Seems like
there is major metal weakness introduced with a cold bend with this
thickness of metal this thickness.....Any thoughts..(see PDF from link
for note on cold bend)
.......................................................................
...................................
XL Nose Gear Doubler
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
Thanks for the help everyone. This link was exactly what I was seeking
and
couldn't find! Maybe too much turkey...?!
Paul
XL - O200
-----Original Message-----
From: wscribb
Here is a link to the Builders Notice regarding the nose fork doubler.
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/601xl-nose-wheel-fork-letter.pd
f
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Ed, I probably have ten pounds of A4 & A5 left over from what they sent with
the kit. Maybe they just gave me extra figuring I was going to screw up that
much. I would not worry about it much as ZAC has always sent me promptly any
extra or replacement parts. FWIW, Bill
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| Subject: | Pre-Heating a 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
Everybody,
Thanks for all of the suggestions on how to pre-heat the 912 in my 601XL.
I cam up with yet another approach. I bought an 1800 watt wallpaper remover (essentially
it is a hair dryer on steroids) and blew its hot air:
1st: up the 912's exhaust pipe (seemed to work somewhat)
2nd: into the 912's water radiator and up into the cowling (seemed to work much
better)
On a 32 degree day it took about 20 minutes to get a deflection on the water and
oil temp gauges.
This is an inexpensive answer to the problem of pre-heating the 601XL. I only
had to add a metal tube to the end of the blower so that I could place the blower
on the ground. In the rain I am going to cover over the plastic housing and
fan area with a zip-lock bag to keep out water.
I've attached two photographs and will upload them to the website. Unfortunately
the close-up that was taken did not work for some reason.
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
jim@sportsplanes.com
Sent via the WebMail system at Engage IT
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| Subject: | Possible solution to gear strut failures on the 601HD |
and HDS series
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Not sure if the bolt head won't hit the underside of the weldment under
the wing?
I think I have seen evidence the wheelpant gets very close to the
weldment during rough landings.
Tell us what Zac says Larry...Oh and how much you could knock out some
sets of stepped tubes while you got your lather set up as well...:)
Welding is not a problem for me but I aint got no lathe!!!...Ain't got
no cracks either but I could simply include them with the plane when I
sell it early next year if I haven't gotten around to upgrading before
then.
Cheers
Frank
601 HDS, strstus with Ram heads 385 hours.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Zenith-List: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the
601HD and HDS series
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi guys,
I've been grousing over recent gear failures at the forward
weld-junction of the 1/8-inch gear-strut plates on the 601HD and HDS
series and want to increase strut-plate thickness on my 601HDS before
the cracking problem presents itself. I also want to get the same
alignment of the main gear without performing any welding near the
aircraft. For these reasons, I plan to cut the .058 wall gear strut
tubes half an inch above the strut plates to remove the thin 1/8" gear
plates when the aircraft is apart for painting this next spring.
I made a sample weld-assembly of 3/16-inch gear plate per (6-L-1) and
2-inch diameter, -inch wall 4130 tubes 2-inches long, that will be
bench-welded away from the airplane. The tubes will be turned down to
1.872 O.D. to half an inch of one end to fit inside the .058-wall strut
tube. (Note that some were made of .065 wall.) They will be slid up
into the cut-off gear struts with wheels and tires bolted in place, then
allowed to settle on the machined-shoulder as axially aligned on the
plane. They will be drilled front to back and through-bolted using an
AN-4 or 5 aircraft bolt and Nylock nut.
A proper fit with a small radius in the shoulder plus a wall thickness
of 1/8-inch material 1-1/2-inches up inside the strut tube and bolted,
will provide solid attachment that should not present a problem, even
for the wheel pants configured to fit per Zenith. I submitted this
process to Nick and I hope it meets with his approval.
The best of it is maintaining the length of the gear strut, all new
welds, and more importantly, no welding anywhere near the plane. Worst
of it is the extra
2.75 lbs added weight to get it done.
Anyway, I've placed a link to the drawing that comes up to a printable
size if you're curious.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/gear-plate-and-strut.g
if
Do have a nice Thanksgiving,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: RE: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Philip,
You can "easily" cold bend 6061-T6 if you make a jig for the radius.
I bent 3/16-inch forks using two sizes of roller with the center clamped
in place.
If you roll it around a cylinder, there are no major stresses, except
the one you place on yourself. See links, I could have made the
bend-lever longer.
In this case, it's recommended you bend along the aluminum draw lines even
though aluminum doesn't have grain like steel.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/push.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/final-fit.gif
I've got 90 hours on my HDS by now and no problems with the forks.
Larry McFarland plans built 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Condon, Philip M. wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
>I imagine this is like "questioning the master", but I do question the
>use of 3/16 inch 6061 T6 COLD bend Al.
>That's pretty thick Al. to cold bend, even with a radius. Seems like
>there is major metal weakness introduced with a cold bend with this
>thickness of metal this thickness.....Any thoughts..(see PDF from link
>for note on cold bend)
>
>.......................................................................
>...................................
> XL Nose Gear Doubler
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Pre-Heating on a cold day |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hildebrand, Eldo E" <eldo@unb.ca>
As a mostly armchair observer here, (a broken wrist makes me particularly an observer
and a slow typist at present) I am not sure if this "pre-heat" option has been
mentioned:
Around here, you can buy an 800 watt in car heater from Canadian Tire for about
forty
Cdn $. In Whitehorse in the 70s, they used to simply place one inside a blanket
wrapped cowling of their Cherokees to warm them up for first start for a day of
flight
training. Part of the post shut down procedure was to fasten the fitted blanket
back
on so the -30 C "breeze" didn't cool the engine too much between student flights.
The car interior heaters have an auto shut down safety thermostat and I've not
had any
issues even when a family member has left gloves and hats piled on it in the backseat
of the car (it did freak me when I saw it in the morning and said family now checks
for
clear operation BEFORE pluggiing in the timer for the night!).
Eldo Hildebrand, P.Eng.
University of New Brunswick
P.O. Box 4400 Fredericton NB E3B 5A3
Phone 506 453 5112
Fax 506 453 3568
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| Subject: | Re: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the |
601HD and HDS series
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Frank,
I don't think the bolt would travel the 4" or more to touch the gear box
in any case.
If Nick approves, I'll turn a set of three 2-inch O.D. tubes stepped for
.058 wall or .065 wall struts with .196
thick plates 3.55 square, not drilled, not welded, for $40.00. If
welded, $50.00. plus postal. The tickler is you finding out
which wall thickness strut you have.
But, we'll have to wait to hear from Nick.
Fly safe,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Not sure if the bolt head won't hit the underside of the weldment under
>the wing?
>
>I think I have seen evidence the wheelpant gets very close to the
>weldment during rough landings.
>
>Tell us what Zac says Larry...Oh and how much you could knock out some
>sets of stepped tubes while you got your lather set up as well...:)
>
>Welding is not a problem for me but I aint got no lathe!!!...Ain't got
>no cracks either but I could simply include them with the plane when I
>sell it early next year if I haven't gotten around to upgrading before
>then.
>Cheers
>
>Frank
>601 HDS, strstus with Ram heads 385 hours.
>
>
>To: zenith-list
>Subject: Zenith-List: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the
>601HD and HDS series
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
>--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>Anyway, I've placed a link to the drawing that comes up to a printable
>size if you're curious.
>http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/gear-plate-and-strut.gif
>
>Do have a nice Thanksgiving,
>
>Larry McFarland - 601HDS at macsmachine.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Dimpling and riveting tool recommendationDimpling and |
riveting tool recomendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
No. As per info I read in a recent issue of "Note from Chris" he mentioned
that one could use a flat nose piece with the Avex rivets to have flush
rivets.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Portouw
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendationDimpling
and riveting tool recomendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" <Larry@portouw.com>
Eddie,
I've gotta ask: why are you dimpling your skins? Are you using solid
rivets?
Larry Portouw
601XL -kit
Atlanta
Time:
09:13:55 PM PST US
Subject:
Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation
From:
"Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve"
<eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Kevin,
Have a look at the DRDT-2
I bought this dimpling tool to do the skins on my XL kit, it works
beautifully and there is no guessing about how hard the hammer blow
needs to be, you just pull the handle to compress the sheet metal
between the dies. It has an adjustable stop so you can't over do the
dimpling by exerting too much pressure and this guarantees that you
get
nice uniform dimples.
http://www.experimentalaero.com/
Regards,
Eddie Seve
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| Subject: | Dimpling and riveting tool recomendation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Dude! You've been holdin' out on me. I didn't know you had that one. I need
to come by and try it out soon. I'm thinking of asking for it for Christmas
:).
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Barcus
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool recomendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
Kevin
I have that tool and it works very well, especially on the nutplates. You
are welcome to come over and give it a try if you like.
Regards
Clyde
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From: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool recomendation
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> I need a recommendation on a good dimpling and riveting tool. I like the
> idea of this particular tool
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/handrivdimptool.php but,
> don't
> know much about it. It is described as a "hand" tool but doesn't describe
> how to use. Does anyone on this list have it? Does anyone know if it is a
> good tool for dimpling skins? How does it work? I need to install those
> nutplates and 3/32 flush rivets for the Fuse access door. Also would it
> work
> for the solid rivets for the spars? I have yet to make those. How about
> other suggestions? I have given some though to flush riveting certain
> sections of my plane like wings and fuse. Also with the above tool, do I
> need a rivet gun or can I use a hammer to set the rivets?
>
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> <http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 tire pressure ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: szewc@direcway.com
Zed,
I don't have tubes in mine, but generally run ~10lbs in the mains and a little
less in the front. I have 140 hours with no problems so far. If I am flying at
gross weight, I will sometimes put a little more in, but I don't think it is
really necesary.
Happy flying
Ken Szewc
N701SZ 912ULS, waiting for the fog to clear
----- Original Message -----
From: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 tire pressure ?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
>
> Could the Fortunate Ones (those flying) share their experiences as
> to the tire pressure in the standard ZAC-supplied tundra tires
> (with tubes) on the 701 on grass runways?
>
> Something in the range of 4 to 6 PSI looks okay in the hangar.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Zed/701/R912/still working
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation Dimpling and |
riveting tool recommendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Larry,
No I'm not using solid rivets, just the 120 degree rivets supplied by
Zenith. I just liked the look of the flush finish of the rivets with the
dimpled skin.
One of the guys I met here in Australia was about 70% complete with his
Zodiac XL kit and had dimpled all the external skins and the finish was
just fantastic. This more than anything else has motivated me to do the
same.
I realise that it's more effort and that at the end of the day the
reduction in drag will be minimal, it's just one of those personal
preference things.
Best Regards,
Eddie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Portouw
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool
recommendationDimpling and riveting tool recomendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" <Larry@portouw.com>
Eddie,
I've gotta ask: why are you dimpling your skins? Are you using solid
rivets?
Larry Portouw
601XL -kit
Atlanta
Time:
09:13:55 PM PST US
Subject:
Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation
From:
"Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve"
<eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Kevin,
Have a look at the DRDT-2
I bought this dimpling tool to do the skins on my XL kit, it works
beautifully and there is no guessing about how hard the hammer
blow
needs to be, you just pull the handle to compress the sheet metal
between the dies. It has an adjustable stop so you can't over do
the
dimpling by exerting too much pressure and this guarantees that
you
get
nice uniform dimples.
http://www.experimentalaero.com/
Regards,
Eddie Seve
<snip>
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| Subject: | Interesting photos |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gsrth@aol.com
Found an interesting site with some unusual airplane pictures. Check
it out.
http://www.airmunn.com/oops.htm
Garth Dawson 701 scratch builder
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| Subject: | Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation Dimpling and |
riveting tool recommendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Eddie
Thanks for the info. Are you using a .125 size bit or #30? Someone suggested
using the .125 because of slight stretching with dimpling. Given this any
thought? (this is going to open the flood gates isn't it)
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eddie Seve
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation Dimpling
and riveting tool recommendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Larry,
No I'm not using solid rivets, just the 120 degree rivets supplied by
Zenith. I just liked the look of the flush finish of the rivets with the
dimpled skin.
One of the guys I met here in Australia was about 70% complete with his
Zodiac XL kit and had dimpled all the external skins and the finish was
just fantastic. This more than anything else has motivated me to do the
same.
I realise that it's more effort and that at the end of the day the
reduction in drag will be minimal, it's just one of those personal
preference things.
Best Regards,
Eddie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Portouw
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool
recommendationDimpling and riveting tool recomendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" <Larry@portouw.com>
Eddie,
I've gotta ask: why are you dimpling your skins? Are you using solid
rivets?
Larry Portouw
601XL -kit
Atlanta
Time:
09:13:55 PM PST US
Subject:
Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation
From:
"Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve"
<eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Kevin,
Have a look at the DRDT-2
I bought this dimpling tool to do the skins on my XL kit, it works
beautifully and there is no guessing about how hard the hammer
blow
needs to be, you just pull the handle to compress the sheet metal
between the dies. It has an adjustable stop so you can't over do
the
dimpling by exerting too much pressure and this guarantees that
you
get
nice uniform dimples.
http://www.experimentalaero.com/
Regards,
Eddie Seve
<snip>
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| Subject: | Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation Dimpling and |
riveting tool recommendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Kevin,
I am using the #30 drill bit, I have to admit I didn't think about this
being an issue because the rivets seem to fill the hole quite well. The
friend of yours that mentioned this, did he think the slightly larger
hole resulting from the dimple process was an issue ?
The only problem I had is that you can buy 1/8 120 degree dimple dies
but not the 5/32 120 degree dies, so I had to get one of my friends to
make these up.
Best Regards,
Eddie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinbonds
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation
Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Eddie
Thanks for the info. Are you using a .125 size bit or #30? Someone
suggested
using the .125 because of slight stretching with dimpling. Given this
any
thought? (this is going to open the flood gates isn't it)
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eddie Seve
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation
Dimpling
and riveting tool recommendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Larry,
No I'm not using solid rivets, just the 120 degree rivets supplied by
Zenith. I just liked the look of the flush finish of the rivets with the
dimpled skin.
One of the guys I met here in Australia was about 70% complete with his
Zodiac XL kit and had dimpled all the external skins and the finish was
just fantastic. This more than anything else has motivated me to do the
same.
I realise that it's more effort and that at the end of the day the
reduction in drag will be minimal, it's just one of those personal
preference things.
Best Regards,
Eddie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Portouw
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool
recommendationDimpling and riveting tool recomendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" <Larry@portouw.com>
Eddie,
I've gotta ask: why are you dimpling your skins? Are you using solid
rivets?
Larry Portouw
601XL -kit
Atlanta
Time:
09:13:55 PM PST US
Subject:
Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation
From:
"Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve"
<eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Kevin,
Have a look at the DRDT-2
I bought this dimpling tool to do the skins on my XL kit, it works
beautifully and there is no guessing about how hard the hammer
blow
needs to be, you just pull the handle to compress the sheet metal
between the dies. It has an adjustable stop so you can't over do
the
dimpling by exerting too much pressure and this guarantees that
you
get
nice uniform dimples.
http://www.experimentalaero.com/
Regards,
Eddie Seve
<snip>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 tire pressure ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
I use about 5 psi in nose and 10 psi in mains. 56 hrs. and all is OK. Low
pressure smoothes out my bumpy runway.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zed Smith" <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 tire pressure ?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
>
> Could the Fortunate Ones (those flying) share their experiences as to the
tire pressure in the standard ZAC-supplied tundra tires (with tubes) on the
701 on grass runways?
>
> Something in the range of 4 to 6 PSI looks okay in the hangar.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Zed/701/R912/still working
>
> do not archive
>
>
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Received-SPF: none (mgr1.xmission.com: 166.70.39.121 is neither permitted nor denied
by domain of craigandjean.com) client-ip=166.70.39.121; envelope-from=craig@craigandjean.com;
helo=TheTCCraig;
| Subject: | Interesting photos |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Here is another link that has these and more (but the site appears to be
down right now):
http://www.micom.net/oops/
There is an index page full of links by aircraft type so you don't have to
download all the pictures at once.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gsrth@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Interesting photos
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gsrth@aol.com
Found an interesting site with some unusual airplane pictures. Check
it out.
http://www.airmunn.com/oops.htm
Garth Dawson 701 scratch builder
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| Subject: | Possible solution to gear strut failures on the 601HD |
and HDS series
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Put me down for a $50 welded set Larry...Thats very kind of you!
Now the bolt hole will have to be drilled from the outside and
presumably a spacer tub ground and fitted to the inside?
As a comparison, RV's secure their gear legs in almost the same fashion
using a 5/16ths bolt. The only difference is the load is not take
directly by the bolt as the gear legs splay outwards...Then again RV's
are much heavier too.
I'm also wondering if it is that hard to do a single weld at this
location?....Your turned piece will ensure vertical alignment either
way.
Now how on Earth would I find out the thickness of the tube?..:)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Possible solution to gear strut failures on
the 601HD and HDS series
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
Frank,
I don't think the bolt would travel the 4" or more to touch the gear box
in any case.
If Nick approves, I'll turn a set of three 2-inch O.D. tubes stepped for
.058 wall or .065 wall struts with .196
thick plates 3.55 square, not drilled, not welded, for $40.00. If
welded, $50.00. plus postal. The tickler is you finding out which wall
thickness strut you have.
But, we'll have to wait to hear from Nick.
Fly safe,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
>--> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Not sure if the bolt head won't hit the underside of the weldment under
>the wing?
>
>I think I have seen evidence the wheelpant gets very close to the
>weldment during rough landings.
>
>Tell us what Zac says Larry...Oh and how much you could knock out some
>sets of stepped tubes while you got your lather set up as well...:)
>
>Welding is not a problem for me but I aint got no lathe!!!...Ain't got
>no cracks either but I could simply include them with the plane when I
>sell it early next year if I haven't gotten around to upgrading before
>then.
>Cheers
>
>Frank
>601 HDS, strstus with Ram heads 385 hours.
>
>
>To: zenith-list
>Subject: Zenith-List: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the
>601HD and HDS series
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
>--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>Anyway, I've placed a link to the drawing that comes up to a printable
>size if you're curious.
>http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/gear-plate-and-strut.
>gif
>
>Do have a nice Thanksgiving,
>
>Larry McFarland - 601HDS at macsmachine.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pre-Heating a 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Jim,
IMHO, the most important thing to warm up is the oil in the tank and the oil
cooler. You want that warm thinner oil to the bearings and bores fast.
Your approach will certainly make the engine easier to start, but the wear
internally will be quite high.
Cheers
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpling and riveting tool recomendation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
I have a hand squeezer that I have used a lot helping a friend build an RV7-A.
It is more versatile than the C-arm tool you cited at AS. The C-arm is better
for dimpling skins but isn't good to use on a part which is already in place on
the plane (or part of the plane). We also have a C-arm which we use for dimpling
skins but I think that on the Zenith planes, a hand squeezer would be more
useful. You want to find one that you can buy a deep yoke for. It will usually
come with a 1 1/2" or 2" deep yoke but some applications require more reach
so get a spare yoke about 6" deep. You'll also need a set of dimple dies for
every size rivet and screw head you plan to dimple for. A set of flat rivet squeezer
inserts will allow you to set the few solid rivets you may want to use
here and there on the plane. Check Wicks and Avery tool catalogs.
Hope that helps,
Ed
>
> From: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
> Date: 2005/11/27 Sun PM 11:54:23 EST
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool recomendation
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> I need a recommendation on a good dimpling and riveting tool. I like the
> idea of this particular tool
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/handrivdimptool.php but, don't
> know much about it. It is described as a "hand" tool but doesn't describe
> how to use. Does anyone on this list have it? Does anyone know if it is a
> good tool for dimpling skins? How does it work? I need to install those
> nutplates and 3/32 flush rivets for the Fuse access door. Also would it work
> for the solid rivets for the spars? I have yet to make those. How about
> other suggestions? I have given some though to flush riveting certain
> sections of my plane like wings and fuse. Also with the above tool, do I
> need a rivet gun or can I use a hammer to set the rivets?
>
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> <http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
Yeah but Bill, I'm former Air Force.... maybe they just give Marines a lot of extra
rivets figuring that.... well, you know.
Just kidding, thanks for the advice,
Ed
Do Not Archive
Don't Shoot Either
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks! Re: 701 tire pressure |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Thanks to all on-list & off-list for the comments and advice about what works best
for 701 tire pressure.
Nice to confirm that at least one guess was correct.
And for some of the off-listers: NO! I don't think helium will do much for additional
gross weight; and, NO! a vacuum won't make it a VSTOL. Thanks anyway!
But I may be able to steer you to some screen doors for the 701......nearly
new, recently removed from a submarine.
Best regards to all,
Zed
do not archive
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| Subject: | 601XL Tire Pressure |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dear Thread Friends, now that we have concluded the best tire pressure for
701s, what is the consensus of the group on 601XL tire pressure ? I started out
at 28 pounds and even down to 22 pounds she wiggles and darts on landings. At
8-12 pounds she seems to waddle on taxi. Whoever has the best correct answer
gets a free flight in my XL just for the asking (all you got to do is catch
me at the airport). Best regards, Bill of Georgia.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow measurement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Am I missing something?
Jim,
I am installing the same system with fuel flow option. I would guess that
the software installed in the unit to make fuel flow work is part of the cost.
Brian
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation Dimpling and |
riveting tool recommendation
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
Kevin
I also bought a dimpling set for a pop rivet tool (1/8 rivet) for $17.00,
works great! Recently I bought a second set because I lost one, guess what,
I found it the other day. I will sell one set at a discount if you want it.
Regards;
Clyde
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation Dimpling
and riveting tool recommendation
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> Eddie
>
> Thanks for the info. Are you using a .125 size bit or #30? Someone
> suggested
> using the .125 because of slight stretching with dimpling. Given this any
> thought? (this is going to open the flood gates isn't it)
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
> do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eddie Seve
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation
> Dimpling
> and riveting tool recommendation
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> No I'm not using solid rivets, just the 120 degree rivets supplied by
> Zenith. I just liked the look of the flush finish of the rivets with the
> dimpled skin.
>
> One of the guys I met here in Australia was about 70% complete with his
> Zodiac XL kit and had dimpled all the external skins and the finish was
> just fantastic. This more than anything else has motivated me to do the
> same.
>
> I realise that it's more effort and that at the end of the day the
> reduction in drag will be minimal, it's just one of those personal
> preference things.
>
> Best Regards,
> Eddie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
> Portouw
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dimpling and riveting tool
> recommendationDimpling and riveting tool recomendation
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" <Larry@portouw.com>
>
> Eddie,
>
> I've gotta ask: why are you dimpling your skins? Are you using solid
> rivets?
>
>
> Larry Portouw
>
> 601XL -kit
>
> Atlanta
>
>
> Time:
>
> 09:13:55 PM PST US
>
>
> Subject:
>
> Dimpling and riveting tool recommendation
>
>
> From:
>
> "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve"
> <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Have a look at the DRDT-2
>
> I bought this dimpling tool to do the skins on my XL kit, it works
> beautifully and there is no guessing about how hard the hammer
> blow
> needs to be, you just pull the handle to compress the sheet metal
> between the dies. It has an adjustable stop so you can't over do
> the
> dimpling by exerting too much pressure and this guarantees that
> you
> get
> nice uniform dimples.
>
> http://www.experimentalaero.com/
>
> Regards,
> Eddie Seve
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
I picked up my 601XL kit in Jan 04 and completed it in June 05. I had quite
a bunch of rivets left. The only "bulk" parts that I ran out of were the
"L" angles, probably because I did not plan out lenght of cuts, but they
were inexpensive to procure from Zenith. If you have a big enough brake, you
can make them (and many other parts with and without a brake*) yourself from
the spare 6061T6 sheet aluminum pieces you receive in the kit. * I would
recommend you get at least an 18 inch brake - Harbor Frieght sells them
cheap.
Logistic support from Zenith was great. (I did "mess up" a few items - and
they were also inexpensive, especially when compared to any other military
or civilian aero part)..
Tony Graziano
601XL N493TG
Buchanan, Tn
Time: 05:23:14 PM PST US
From: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: rivets
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
As I am about to fly the demo 601XL and will probably order the kit soon
thereafter, what is the consensus of the list on how many extra rivets (and
what sizes) I should order with the kit? I figure the need for more rivets
is inevitable (I've built an ultralight trainer so I believe that extra will
be needed) and I would rather pay for them up front and not have to wait for
them later plus pay extra shipping. What do the completed builders think on
this question?
Ed
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| Subject: | 601XL Tire Pressure |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Bill--
I thought ZAC recommended 50 lbs for the XL tires?
George May
601XL 912S
>From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Tire Pressure
>Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:49:40 EST
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
>Dear Thread Friends, now that we have concluded the best tire pressure for
>701s, what is the consensus of the group on 601XL tire pressure ? I
>started out
>at 28 pounds and even down to 22 pounds she wiggles and darts on landings.
>At
>8-12 pounds she seems to waddle on taxi. Whoever has the best correct
>answer
>gets a free flight in my XL just for the asking (all you got to do is catch
>me at the airport). Best regards, Bill of Georgia.
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hey Ed,
I'm former Air Force and they gave me plenty of extra rivets
too. Maybe it's the name . . .
Paul
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At 01:29 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>
>
>Yeah but Bill, I'm former Air Force.... maybe they just give Marines
>a lot of extra rivets figuring that.... well, you know.
>
>Just kidding, thanks for the advice,
>
>Ed
>
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>
>Don't Shoot Either
>
>
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32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: RE: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- |
1.62 GAPPY_SUBJECT Subject: contains G.a.p.p.y-T.e.x.t
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
]
Just reviewed my old MacDac Design Liaison Engineering Handbook. Minimun bend
radii for 0.190 inch thick 6061-T6 is 15/32 Inch.
Tony Graziano
601XL N493TG
Re: RE: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M --
From: Larry McFarland (larrymc@qconline.com)
Date: Mon Nov 28 - 10:47 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Philip,
You can "easily" cold bend 6061-T6 if you make a jig for the radius.
I bent 3/16-inch forks using two sizes of roller with the center clamped
in place.
If you roll it around a cylinder, there are no major stresses, except
the one you place on yourself. See links, I could have made the
bend-lever longer.
In this case, it's recommended you bend along the aluminum draw lines even
though aluminum doesn't have grain like steel.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/push.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/final-fit.gif
I've got 90 hours on my HDS by now and no problems with the forks.
Larry McFarland plans built 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Condon, Philip M. wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
>I imagine this is like "questioning the master", but I do question the
>use of 3/16 inch 6061 T6 COLD bend Al.
>That's pretty thick Al. to cold bend, even with a radius. Seems like
>there is major metal weakness introduced with a cold bend with this
>thickness of metal this thickness.....Any thoughts..(see PDF from link
>for note on cold bend)
>
>.......................................................................
>...................................
> XL Nose Gear Doubler
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 tire pressure?. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Zed,
I had the same question a few months ago, Also asked the same.
From ZAC, the advise is this simple:
The pressure is very low low to get it correct with a normal tire gage, so Nic
told me this simple way to get it correct:
The height of the lower rim edge to the floor (flat dirt or cement) will be 75%
of the height of the upper side of the tire to the upper rim (not compressed
side of the tire).
In my airplane, with this messure, the side of the main landing gear tires make
some "ricles"(sp?) , like the ones in the drag race cars :-) ... well I put
just a little extra tad of air until the rincles desapear. We fly from grass
and dirt strips, not perfect flat.
Is important to have it this low the front wheel, because with the grass bumps,
the front wheel will jump in the landing and take off rol, more even in slow
taxi speed... well, fast taxi is only about 20 mph!!! with any head wind.
Hope this helps. (and can be undestood)
Saludos
Gary Gower
Guadalajara, Mexico
701 912S
Flying from Chapala Lake.
Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith
Could the Fortunate Ones (those flying) share their experiences as to the tire
pressure in the standard ZAC-supplied tundra tires (with tubes) on the 701 on
grass runways?
Something in the range of 4 to 6 PSI looks okay in the hangar.
Thanks,
Zed/701/R912/still working
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| Subject: | RE: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
http://www.ch601.org/tools/nose_brake/nose_brake.htm
Boy you think the 3/16ths is fun to bend have a look at the tool made to
do the 3/8ths nose fork !!! Base design is From Larry and then I added
steroids to the design. Though when it came time to cold bend the 3/8ths
I should have popped a few steroids as well. Seriously Larry designed a
great tool as always, this unit will make a perfect wheel fork and is
dead accurate for producing doublers.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
<larrymc@qconline.com>
Philip,
You can "easily" cold bend 6061-T6 if you make a jig for the radius.
I bent 3/16-inch forks using two sizes of roller with the center clamped
in place.
If you roll it around a cylinder, there are no major stresses, except
the one you place on yourself. See links, I could have made the
bend-lever longer.
In this case, it's recommended you bend along the aluminum draw lines
even
though aluminum doesn't have grain like steel.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/push.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/final-fit.gif
I've got 90 hours on my HDS by now and no problems with the forks.
Larry McFarland plans built 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
--
11/27/2005
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| Subject: | RE: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I like that! Much simpler than the tool I made for
the same purpose.
I bent 1/4" flat bar easilly with it...no milling or
machine tool required to build the press though. The
die is simply a piece of 2" pipe purchased at Home
Depot. The female die is made with MDF and some
plastic guides (material I had at home). A 6-ton jack
was used.
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/Dcp00819.jpg
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/Dcp00811.jpg
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/Dcp00821.jpg
Details are here:
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/press_forks.htm
If I build other forks (I'm thinking about replacing
my 15X600X6 tires and wheels with 500X5 to reduce drag
and weight), I'll take Larry's way.
Michel
--- Zodie Rocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket"
> <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
> http://www.ch601.org/tools/nose_brake/nose_brake.htm
>
>
> Boy you think the 3/16ths is fun to bend have a look
> at the tool made to
> do the 3/8ths nose fork !!! Base design is From
> Larry and then I added
> steroids to the design. Though when it came time to
> cold bend the 3/8ths
> I should have popped a few steroids as well.
> Seriously Larry designed a
> great tool as always, this unit will make a perfect
> wheel fork and is
> dead accurate for producing doublers.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
> -----Original Message-----
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
Just $16.99/mo. or less.
dsl.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Dimpling and riveting tool recomendation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
Kevin,
You might save some $$$ by making your own. Check this out:
http://www.ch601.org/tools/dimpler/dimpler.htm
--
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> I need a recommendation on a good dimpling and riveting tool. I like the
> idea of this particular tool
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/handrivdimptool.php but, don't
> know much about it. It is described as a "hand" tool but doesn't describe
> how to use. Does anyone on this list have it? Does anyone know if it is a
> good tool for dimpling skins? How does it work? I need to install those
> nutplates and 3/32 flush rivets for the Fuse access door. Also would it work
> for the solid rivets for the spars? I have yet to make those. How about
> other suggestions? I have given some though to flush riveting certain
> sections of my plane like wings and fuse. Also with the above tool, do I
> need a rivet gun or can I use a hammer to set the rivets?
>
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
> Nashville TN
>
> 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
>
> Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
>
> <http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds> http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing twist on 601xl |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" <dougmattson@isp.com>
Anybody know why the new plans do not show any wing twist?
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Tire Pressure |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <CLEONARD52@comcast.net>
THE PAPER WORK THAT COMES WITH THE TIRES AND TUBES, SAYS 50 TO 55 IBS. THAT
IS ALSO WHAT ROGER AT ZAC SAYS.
----- Original Message -----
From: <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Tire Pressure
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Dear Thread Friends, now that we have concluded the best tire pressure for
> 701s, what is the consensus of the group on 601XL tire pressure ? I
started out
> at 28 pounds and even down to 22 pounds she wiggles and darts on landings.
At
> 8-12 pounds she seems to waddle on taxi. Whoever has the best correct
answer
> gets a free flight in my XL just for the asking (all you got to do is
catch
> me at the airport). Best regards, Bill of Georgia.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: rlendon@comcast.net
Philip,
I don't see that as a problem. He is using over 6 times the material thickness.
You can normally get away with 3 times without cracks using T6 aluminum. This
is looking at it from a Pressbrake perspective.
--
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder
http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
> I imagine this is like "questioning the master", but I do question the
> use of 3/16 inch 6061 T6 COLD bend Al.
> That's pretty thick Al. to cold bend, even with a radius. Seems like
> there is major metal weakness introduced with a cold bend with this
> thickness of metal this thickness.....Any thoughts..(see PDF from link
> for note on cold bend)
>
> .......................................................................
> ...................................
> XL Nose Gear Doubler
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
>
> Thanks for the help everyone. This link was exactly what I was seeking
> and
> couldn't find! Maybe too much turkey...?!
>
>
> Paul
> XL - O200
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wscribb
>
> Here is a link to the Builders Notice regarding the nose fork doubler.
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/601xl-nose-wheel-fork-letter.pd
> f
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing twist on 601xl |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
On my plans, there is considerable twist built into the ailerons.
Perhaps this allows for the rest of the wing to be straight.
Paul
XL wings
At 06:24 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" <dougmattson@isp.com>
>
>Anybody know why the new plans do not show any wing twist?
>
>
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32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Wing twist on 601xl |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Paul, I think the twist in the wing is in the different length blocks you cut
to go under the ribs.
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| Subject: | RE: XL Nose gear doubler -- P R O B L E M -- |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
Thanks for the great pix Larry - now I know what EASY looks like!!!
Paul
XL-O200
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry McFarland
..You can "easily" cold bend 6061-T6...
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/push.gif
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
I'm looking for a source for a rivet copier - at least that is what I think
the name is. Its sort of a transfer gauge. It is used to drill a rivet hole
that is aligned with an existing hole covered by the undrilled sheet metal.
It is basically two metal strips fastened together at one end. The other end
has a stud on one strip and a alignment hole on the other strip. What is it
really called and where can I buy a pair (one for A4 and one of A5)? I've
seen them on some tool web site but can't recall where.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Craig,
Is this the tool your thinking of.
http://www.ch601.org/tools/flange%20finder/FlangeTool.pdf
Regards,
Eddie
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet copier
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
<craig@craigandjean.com>
I'm looking for a source for a rivet copier - at least that is what I
think
the name is. Its sort of a transfer gauge. It is used to drill a rivet
hole
that is aligned with an existing hole covered by the undrilled sheet
metal.
It is basically two metal strips fastened together at one end. The other
end
has a stud on one strip and a alignment hole on the other strip. What is
it
really called and where can I buy a pair (one for A4 and one of A5)?
I've
seen them on some tool web site but can't recall where.
-- Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Not quite but close. That finds the edge of the flange. The tool I am
thinking of is built almost the same way but has a stud that drops into an
existing rivet hole. I'm getting hits in Google when I search for a "strap
duplicator"
http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/prodinfo.asp?number=SD12140
Now I just need to find one for a #20 bit and A5 rivets. At least I getting
somewhere.
Thanks, Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eddie Seve
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivet copier
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Hi Craig,
Is this the tool your thinking of.
http://www.ch601.org/tools/flange%20finder/FlangeTool.pdf
Regards,
Eddie
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet copier
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
<craig@craigandjean.com>
I'm looking for a source for a rivet copier - at least that is what I think
the name is. Its sort of a transfer gauge. It is used to drill a rivet hole
that is aligned with an existing hole covered by the undrilled sheet metal.
It is basically two metal strips fastened together at one end. The other end
has a stud on one strip and a alignment hole on the other strip. What is it
really called and where can I buy a pair (one for A4 and one of A5)?
I've
seen them on some tool web site but can't recall where.
-- Craig
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