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1. 12:15 AM - Hey Guys... (Matt Dralle)
2. 02:36 AM - Re: Rivet copier (Rico Voss)
3. 04:12 AM - Re: Rivet Copier (John)
4. 04:27 AM - Re: Rivet copier (Paul Mulwitz)
5. 05:36 AM - Re: Re: Rivet Copier (MikeH)
6. 06:29 AM - Re: 701 tire pressure ? (Paul Tipton)
7. 06:58 AM - Re: Rivet copier (Jim Hoak)
8. 07:12 AM - Re: Wing twist on 601xl (Larry McFarland)
9. 07:21 AM - Re: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the (Larry McFarland)
10. 07:32 AM - Re: Rivet copier (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
11. 08:50 AM - Re: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the 601HD and HDS series (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
12. 09:01 AM - Re: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the 601HD and HDS series (Rico Voss)
13. 09:25 AM - Re: Rivet copier (Gary Gower)
14. 09:39 AM - Re: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the (Larry McFarland)
15. 10:23 AM - Re: Rivet copier (Craig Payne)
16. 12:19 PM - Wire question!! (Rical26)
17. 12:29 PM - VW direct drive conversions (michael burkhardt)
18. 01:43 PM - 601 Jabiru Cowl ()
19. 02:12 PM - Re: Wire question!! (Keith Ashcraft)
20. 03:04 PM - Re: VW direct drive conversions (ROBERT SCEPPA)
21. 03:29 PM - Re: Rivet copier (bill naumuk)
22. 03:39 PM - XL Performance Numbers (Jeffrey J Paris)
23. 04:05 PM - Re: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the 601HD and HDS series (Kelly Meiste)
24. 04:13 PM - Re: XL Performance Numbers (Bob Unternaehrer)
25. 04:15 PM - Re: XL Performance Numbers (Bob Unternaehrer)
26. 06:12 PM - Re: Rivet copier (ron dewees)
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet copier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
Craig--
You can also make one in the time it takes to look up your
credit card number:
Cut 2 strips (.016 works) about 1" x 6".
Hold them together, drill and pull 2 rivets in one end .
At the other end, drill a hole thru both (whatever size you
need).
Pop a rivet thru the lower strap (from in between).
With a flat file, take the edge off the expanded bulb on
the underside until it's round and the same size (and
position) as the original hole. No, it doesn't fall out.
Makes a hole finder -- not pretty, but works well. I made
one for the 3/32 pilot holes also.
--Rico
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet Copier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
Heck your making your plane! Make one! Really simple, Two strips of 0.025, or
so, rivet one on top of other at one end, drill hole thru both on other end, take
small screw with nut that is diameter of the rivet hole you are duplicating
and put on the lower strip with the threads out the bottom. Slide the one with
the screw under skin into hole and top one over skin. Mark hole, remove and
drill!
John
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
How about this link?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/holeduplicators.php
Paul
XL wings
At 11:21 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
>Not quite but close. That finds the edge of the flange. The tool I am
>thinking of is built almost the same way but has a stud that drops into an
>existing rivet hole. I'm getting hits in Google when I search for a "strap
>duplicator"
>
>http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/prodinfo.asp?number=SD12140
>
>Now I just need to find one for a #20 bit and A5 rivets. At least I getting
>somewhere.
>
>Thanks, Craig
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eddie Seve
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivet copier
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie Seve" <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
>
>Hi Craig,
>
>Is this the tool your thinking of.
>
>http://www.ch601.org/tools/flange%20finder/FlangeTool.pdf
>
>Regards,
>Eddie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet copier
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
><craig@craigandjean.com>
>
>I'm looking for a source for a rivet copier - at least that is what I think
>the name is. Its sort of a transfer gauge. It is used to drill a rivet hole
>that is aligned with an existing hole covered by the undrilled sheet metal.
>It is basically two metal strips fastened together at one end. The other end
>has a stud on one strip and a alignment hole on the other strip. What is it
>really called and where can I buy a pair (one for A4 and one of A5)?
>I've
>seen them on some tool web site but can't recall where.
>
>-- Craig
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet Copier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MikeH <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
Try this site
http://www.yardstore.com/index.cfm?Action=ViewCategory&Category=135
mike
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
>
>Heck your making your plane! Make one! Really simple, Two strips of 0.025, or
so, rivet one on top of other at one end, drill hole thru both on other end,
take small screw with nut that is diameter of the rivet hole you are duplicating
and put on the lower strip with the threads out the bottom. Slide the one
with the screw under skin into hole and top one over skin. Mark hole, remove
and drill!
>John
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 tire pressure ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Tipton" <PTIPTON@swmail.sw.org>
!0 lbs works great for me... inflated well enough for support and shock
absorption.
Paul Tipton
N321PT
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet copier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Craig,
In the aiviation industry we call them "Hole finders". Some call them "Hole
Duplicators". You can get them at just about all the tool companies.
Aircraft Tool Supply 1-800-248-0638 has them in their 2005 Winter sale
Catalog for $8.00 US. ( I have the tool catalog on front of me right now) I
also support Avery Tool Co and Cleaveland Tool Co. They sponser and supply
tools to my Basic Sheet Metal Workshop at the Sun N Fun Fly-In.
Jim Hoak - 601HD 500hrs N738J
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet copier
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> I'm looking for a source for a rivet copier - at least that is what I
> think
> the name is. Its sort of a transfer gauge. It is used to drill a rivet
> hole
> that is aligned with an existing hole covered by the undrilled sheet
> metal.
> It is basically two metal strips fastened together at one end. The other
> end
> has a stud on one strip and a alignment hole on the other strip. What is
> it
> really called and where can I buy a pair (one for A4 and one of A5)? I've
> seen them on some tool web site but can't recall where.
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing twist on 601xl |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Doug,
Is it possible that the outboard wing ribs are shaped to provide the
same thing (stalling the tips last)?
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
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Doug Mattson wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" <dougmattson@isp.com>
>
>Anybody know why the new plans do not show any wing twist?
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the |
601HD and HDS series
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Frank,
If I had to measure a tube and didn't want to do any damage, I'd drill a
hole no larger than 1/16" diameter
on only one side, preferably where it would be anticipated the next hole
would be needed. Then I'd insert
a piece of welding wire to touch the other side inside of the tube and
mark the wire at the outside.
Subtract the wire length from the 2" diameter and you've got wall
thickness. It might take several times
to get repeatabilty and a consistent dimension though.
Larry
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>Now how on Earth would I find out the thickness of the tube?..:)
>
>Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Or just make you own in less time it takes to order one?
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hoak
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet copier
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Craig,
In the aiviation industry we call them "Hole finders". Some call them
"Hole Duplicators". You can get them at just about all the tool
companies.
Aircraft Tool Supply 1-800-248-0638 has them in their 2005 Winter sale
Catalog for $8.00 US. ( I have the tool catalog on front of me right
now) I also support Avery Tool Co and Cleaveland Tool Co. They sponser
and supply tools to my Basic Sheet Metal Workshop at the Sun N Fun
Fly-In.
Jim Hoak - 601HD 500hrs N738J
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet copier
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
<craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> I'm looking for a source for a rivet copier - at least that is what I
> think
> the name is. Its sort of a transfer gauge. It is used to drill a rivet
> hole
> that is aligned with an existing hole covered by the undrilled sheet
> metal.
> It is basically two metal strips fastened together at one end. The
other
> end
> has a stud on one strip and a alignment hole on the other strip. What
is
> it
> really called and where can I buy a pair (one for A4 and one of A5)?
I've
> seen them on some tool web site but can't recall where.
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Possible solution to gear strut failures on the 601HD |
and HDS series
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yeah I was thinking along those lines Larry.
Have you heard from ZAC yet?
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Possible solution to gear strut failures on
the 601HD and HDS series
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
Frank,
If I had to measure a tube and didn't want to do any damage, I'd drill a
hole no larger than 1/16" diameter on only one side, preferably where it
would be anticipated the next hole would be needed. Then I'd insert a
piece of welding wire to touch the other side inside of the tube and
mark the wire at the outside.
Subtract the wire length from the 2" diameter and you've got wall
thickness. It might take several times to get repeatabilty and a
consistent dimension though.
Larry
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>Now how on Earth would I find out the thickness of the tube?..:)
>
>Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Possible solution to gear strut failures on the 601HD |
and HDS series
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
> Now how on Earth would I find out the thickness of the
> tube?..:)
>
Frank,
I know it's not something you'll have in your toolbox, but
if you know someone that you could borrow an ultrasonic
thickness gauge from, it should work. UT's are used
routinely in shipyards to check steel plate thickness
--Rico
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet copier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I did the same tool, almost same way, but instead of poping the rivet, I got the
"nail" out of the rivet and aplied a drop of super glue and let the rivet dry
in the lower strap. Once dried I just made the edges of the rivet round with
a little file.
Hope this helps.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss
Craig--
You can also make one in the time it takes to look up your
credit card number:
Cut 2 strips (.016 works) about 1" x 6".
Hold them together, drill and pull 2 rivets in one end .
At the other end, drill a hole thru both (whatever size you
need).
Pop a rivet thru the lower strap (from in between).
With a flat file, take the edge off the expanded bulb on
the underside until it's round and the same size (and
position) as the original hole. No, it doesn't fall out.
Makes a hole finder -- not pretty, but works well. I made
one for the 3/32 pilot holes also.
--Rico
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| Subject: | Re: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the |
601HD and HDS series
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
I've not heard from Nick yet, but he usually comments back within a week
or I start calling.
Larry
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Yeah I was thinking along those lines Larry.
>
>Have you heard from ZAC yet?
>
>Frank
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
>McFarland
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com.601HD.and.HDS.series
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Possible solution to gear strut failures on
>the 601HD and HDS series
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
>--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>Frank,
>If I had to measure a tube and didn't want to do any damage, I'd drill a
>hole no larger than 1/16" diameter on only one side, preferably where it
>would be anticipated the next hole would be needed. Then I'd insert a
>piece of welding wire to touch the other side inside of the tube and
>mark the wire at the outside.
>Subtract the wire length from the 2" diameter and you've got wall
>thickness. It might take several times to get repeatabilty and a
>consistent dimension though.
>
>Larry
>
>Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>
>
>
>>Now how on Earth would I find out the thickness of the tube?..:)
>>
>>Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Thanks for all the answers on the whatchamicallit. To every one who
suggested I build my own I can only say "you ought to see my plane!". In
truth I could build my own. But there are two types: one that has a
drill-sized bushing on the top and another where the top holds a small
"center punch". For some reason I think I want the punch type. So instead of
a hole in the top I could place a small bolt with a sharpened point. I'll
see how it works out. Or can someone give me a reason why the bushing type
in preferable?
Here is one little mystery. You can get these in a number of sizes: #10,
#21, #30 and #40. #21???. Why the odd size? I don't think being 0.00196
inches under the #20 holes used for the A5 rivets will make a difference.
I'm just wondering where the odd size comes from.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet copier
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I did the same tool, almost same way, but instead of poping the rivet, I got
the "nail" out of the rivet and aplied a drop of super glue and let the
rivet dry in the lower strap. Once dried I just made the edges of the rivet
round with a little file.
Hope this helps.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss
Craig--
You can also make one in the time it takes to look up your credit card
number:
Cut 2 strips (.016 works) about 1" x 6".
Hold them together, drill and pull 2 rivets in one end .
At the other end, drill a hole thru both (whatever size you need).
Pop a rivet thru the lower strap (from in between).
With a flat file, take the edge off the expanded bulb on the underside until
it's round and the same size (and
position) as the original hole. No, it doesn't fall out.
Makes a hole finder -- not pretty, but works well. I made one for the 3/32
pilot holes also.
--Rico
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rical26 <rical26@rogers.com>
Hi All, I'm planning to redesign my instrument panel and would like to
know what kind and size of wires are you using?
Thanks
Richard
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| Subject: | VW direct drive conversions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
Has anyone used a VW direct drive conversion on a 701,
Aerovee, revmaster, etc?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <gtamvakis@earthlink.net>
I have a new cowling for a Zenith 601 /Jabiru installation including the cooling
ducts for sale . I am asking $300.00 plus shipping anyone interested e-mail
me .It is located in Greenville North Carolina.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Wire question!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Hi Richard,
Here is a link to help out with almost all electric questions you might
need to ask.
http://www.aeroelectric.com/
I have downloaded the catalog, and it has helped a lot.
Good Luck,
Keith
CH701 -- cutting and forming all complex 0.016" pieces (flaperon ribs,
slat ribs, etc...!!)
*****************************************************
Rical26 wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rical26 <rical26@rogers.com>
>
>Hi All, I'm planning to redesign my instrument panel and would like to
>know what kind and size of wires are you using?
>Thanks
>Richard
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VW direct drive conversions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> No, but I have the info packet, picked up at Oshkosh
05. looks
> like an inexpesive engine for the money. Would
probably go
> in the 701 perfectly.
--- michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: michael burkhardt
> <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
>
> Has anyone used a VW direct drive conversion on a
> 701,
> Aerovee, revmaster, etc?
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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> provided
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet copier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
Craig-
A machine screw and nut works OK. Also, you don't even need two pieces
of scrap, one with a bend works fine. My kit came with some app 1-1/2" scrap
strips- all I did was hack off a chunk.
I got the idea from Larry McFarland's website. Check under "Tools and
fixtures" or something like it. Seriously, you can build one as functional
as any on the market in 10 minutes.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivet copier
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Thanks for all the answers on the whatchamicallit. To every one who
> suggested I build my own I can only say "you ought to see my plane!". In
> truth I could build my own. But there are two types: one that has a
> drill-sized bushing on the top and another where the top holds a small
> "center punch". For some reason I think I want the punch type. So instead
of
> a hole in the top I could place a small bolt with a sharpened point. I'll
> see how it works out. Or can someone give me a reason why the bushing type
> in preferable?
>
> Here is one little mystery. You can get these in a number of sizes: #10,
> #21, #30 and #40. #21???. Why the odd size? I don't think being 0.00196
> inches under the #20 holes used for the A5 rivets will make a difference.
> I'm just wondering where the odd size comes from.
>
> -- Craig
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet copier
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> I did the same tool, almost same way, but instead of poping the rivet, I
got
> the "nail" out of the rivet and aplied a drop of super glue and let the
> rivet dry in the lower strap. Once dried I just made the edges of the
rivet
> round with a little file.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
>
> Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss
>
>
> Craig--
> You can also make one in the time it takes to look up your credit card
> number:
>
> Cut 2 strips (.016 works) about 1" x 6".
> Hold them together, drill and pull 2 rivets in one end .
> At the other end, drill a hole thru both (whatever size you need).
> Pop a rivet thru the lower strap (from in between).
> With a flat file, take the edge off the expanded bulb on the underside
until
> it's round and the same size (and
> position) as the original hole. No, it doesn't fall out.
>
> Makes a hole finder -- not pretty, but works well. I made one for the 3/32
> pilot holes also.
>
> --Rico
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | XL Performance Numbers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey J Paris" <jeffrey-j-paris@excite.com>
Dear List,
I recently completed my Zenith Zodiac CH601XL powered by the Jabiru 3300. So far
I have flown about 22 hours of the 40 that the FAA and my DAR require, the
airplane has been performing wonderfully, she trims up just fine (electric elevator
and aileron trim installed) she weighed in at 790 lbs. empty /without fuel/no
long range tanks installed, with that in mind I have a few performance questions:
With the landing gear fairings I am seeing speeds at 2400 RPM of about a 100 MPH.
If I push the engine to 2750 RPM I get about 108 MPH GPS. My question aren't
these cruise speeds quite a bit below the 132MPH that Zenith claims?
I have been experimenting with the trim and when I put he aircraft with "heavy"
forward trim and I hold the yoke back with a fair amount of effort it seems like
I can eke out a few more miles per hour out the the aircraft, however, this
configuration leads to one sore arm and shoulder. Could my Horizontal stabilizer
use some tweaking? Wings?
Other than that the plane has been very enjoyable to fly, stalls are benign at
best. I feel real good about flying my XL and the view is great! I think Zenith
delivered inj terms of the kit, however, I want a little more speed so I can
beat my Cessna 150 friends.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
Jeff Paris
N196ZP CH601XL Jab3300
22 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Possible solution to gear strut failures on the 601HD |
and HDS series
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kelly Meiste" <kellymeiste@jcwifi.com>
>>Now how on Earth would I find out the thickness of the tube?..:)
>>
>>Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Just a thought, since you will need to remove the main gear anyway would it
be possible to then remove the .75 dia cross guide tube from the strut. Then
making sure the hole is de-burred on both ID & OD fabricate a gage to slip
over the wall of the main strut which would look something like this:
I I---I
I I---I I
I--I I------------------------------------------------
Making the widest gap .066 & the narrow portion .059? Seems it would be a
fairly sure fire way to tell if your strut tubes were the thick or thin
material.
Kelly Meiste
601 HD Tri Gear (130 hours & no cracks yet).
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| Subject: | Re: XL Performance Numbers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
I just flew the factory demo with the 3300 and it cruised around 135 at 2800
rpm I believe. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey J Paris" <jeffrey-j-paris@excite.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: XL Performance Numbers
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey J Paris"
<jeffrey-j-paris@excite.com>
>
>
> Dear List,
>
> I recently completed my Zenith Zodiac CH601XL powered by the Jabiru 3300.
So far I have flown about 22 hours of the 40 that the FAA and my DAR
require, the airplane has been performing wonderfully, she trims up just
fine (electric elevator and aileron trim installed) she weighed in at 790
lbs. empty /without fuel/no long range tanks installed, with that in mind I
have a few performance questions:
>
> With the landing gear fairings I am seeing speeds at 2400 RPM of about a
100 MPH. If I push the engine to 2750 RPM I get about 108 MPH GPS. My
question aren't these cruise speeds quite a bit below the 132MPH that Zenith
claims?
>
> I have been experimenting with the trim and when I put he aircraft with
"heavy" forward trim and I hold the yoke back with a fair amount of effort
it seems like I can eke out a few more miles per hour out the the aircraft,
however, this configuration leads to one sore arm and shoulder. Could my
Horizontal stabilizer use some tweaking? Wings?
>
> Other than that the plane has been very enjoyable to fly, stalls are
benign at best. I feel real good about flying my XL and the view is great!
I think Zenith delivered inj terms of the kit, however, I want a little more
speed so I can beat my Cessna 150 friends.
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jeff Paris
> N196ZP CH601XL Jab3300
> 22 hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL Performance Numbers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
What prop do you have,,, Seems like the Factory plane has the Sensinich, but
don't know what pitch. I'd probably pose that question to the factory and I
bet they can help. bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey J Paris" <jeffrey-j-paris@excite.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: XL Performance Numbers
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey J Paris"
<jeffrey-j-paris@excite.com>
>
>
> Dear List,
>
> I recently completed my Zenith Zodiac CH601XL powered by the Jabiru 3300.
So far I have flown about 22 hours of the 40 that the FAA and my DAR
require, the airplane has been performing wonderfully, she trims up just
fine (electric elevator and aileron trim installed) she weighed in at 790
lbs. empty /without fuel/no long range tanks installed, with that in mind I
have a few performance questions:
>
> With the landing gear fairings I am seeing speeds at 2400 RPM of about a
100 MPH. If I push the engine to 2750 RPM I get about 108 MPH GPS. My
question aren't these cruise speeds quite a bit below the 132MPH that Zenith
claims?
>
> I have been experimenting with the trim and when I put he aircraft with
"heavy" forward trim and I hold the yoke back with a fair amount of effort
it seems like I can eke out a few more miles per hour out the the aircraft,
however, this configuration leads to one sore arm and shoulder. Could my
Horizontal stabilizer use some tweaking? Wings?
>
> Other than that the plane has been very enjoyable to fly, stalls are
benign at best. I feel real good about flying my XL and the view is great!
I think Zenith delivered inj terms of the kit, however, I want a little more
speed so I can beat my Cessna 150 friends.
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jeff Paris
> N196ZP CH601XL Jab3300
> 22 hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet copier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Take a hacksaw blade, break it in half and use CA glue to glue a bolt or
rivet into one of the holes in the end of the blade. line up the other
hole over the first, drill a couple of holes in the other end of the
pieces of blade and you have a hole finder.
Ron
do not archive
bill naumuk wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
>
>Craig-
> A machine screw and nut works OK. Also, you don't even need two pieces
>of scrap, one with a bend works fine. My kit came with some app 1-1/2" scrap
>strips- all I did was hack off a chunk.
> I got the idea from Larry McFarland's website. Check under "Tools and
>fixtures" or something like it. Seriously, you can build one as functional
>as any on the market in 10 minutes.
> Bill
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivet copier
>
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>
>>Thanks for all the answers on the whatchamicallit. To every one who
>>suggested I build my own I can only say "you ought to see my plane!". In
>>truth I could build my own. But there are two types: one that has a
>>drill-sized bushing on the top and another where the top holds a small
>>"center punch". For some reason I think I want the punch type. So instead
>>
>>
>of
>
>
>>a hole in the top I could place a small bolt with a sharpened point. I'll
>>see how it works out. Or can someone give me a reason why the bushing type
>>in preferable?
>>
>>Here is one little mystery. You can get these in a number of sizes: #10,
>>#21, #30 and #40. #21???. Why the odd size? I don't think being 0.00196
>>inches under the #20 holes used for the A5 rivets will make a difference.
>>I'm just wondering where the odd size comes from.
>>
>>-- Craig
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet copier
>>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>>
>>I did the same tool, almost same way, but instead of poping the rivet, I
>>
>>
>got
>
>
>>the "nail" out of the rivet and aplied a drop of super glue and let the
>>rivet dry in the lower strap. Once dried I just made the edges of the
>>
>>
>rivet
>
>
>>round with a little file.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Saludos
>> Gary Gower.
>>
>>Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss
>>
>>
>>Craig--
>>You can also make one in the time it takes to look up your credit card
>>number:
>>
>>Cut 2 strips (.016 works) about 1" x 6".
>>Hold them together, drill and pull 2 rivets in one end .
>>At the other end, drill a hole thru both (whatever size you need).
>>Pop a rivet thru the lower strap (from in between).
>>With a flat file, take the edge off the expanded bulb on the underside
>>
>>
>until
>
>
>>it's round and the same size (and
>>position) as the original hole. No, it doesn't fall out.
>>
>>Makes a hole finder -- not pretty, but works well. I made one for the 3/32
>>pilot holes also.
>>
>>--Rico
>>
>>
>>__________________________________
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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