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1. 12:26 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 05:52 AM - Nav strobe lights (Robin Bellach)
3. 06:15 AM - Folding Bikes - Under $175 (jim)
4. 06:36 AM - Re: Folding Bikes - Under $175 (Frank Roskind)
5. 08:03 AM - Re: Trim indicator (Keith Ashcraft)
6. 08:10 AM - Re: Used 912's Beware! (michael burkhardt)
7. 08:17 AM - Re: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XL (Tim Egan)
8. 09:02 AM - Re: 701 Design Question. (Tommy Walker)
9. 09:47 AM - Cheery Q rivets (Carlos Sa)
10. 12:22 PM - Re: Cheery Q rivets (Paul Mulwitz)
11. 12:27 PM - Re: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XL (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
12. 01:39 PM - Re: Cheery Q rivets (Ihab Awad)
13. 02:04 PM - Re: Cheery Q rivets (David Alberti)
14. 02:10 PM - Re: Cheery Q rivets (Carlos Sa)
15. 02:24 PM - Re: Alternator (royt.or@netzero.com)
16. 03:42 PM - Aileron Trim (bill naumuk)
17. 04:13 PM - Re: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Stro... (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
18. 05:33 PM - Re: Aileron Trim (Paul Mulwitz)
19. 06:29 PM - Re: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Stro... (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
20. 07:25 PM - Re: Cheery Q rivets (William Jeffries)
21. 08:43 PM - Re: Aileron Trim (bill naumuk)
22. 08:55 PM - Propeller installation (NYTerminat@aol.com)
23. 09:37 PM - Re: Cheery Q rivets (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com
Dear Lister,
Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Nav strobe lights |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
How about the LED position lights and strobes that Brett Ray sells (about
$80 only total)? Do they have any merit? (See them at HogAir.Com)
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| Subject: | Folding Bikes - Under $175 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
I just learned about these new folding bikes that are priced a lot lower than the competition. I know nothing about the company offering these bikes, nor their quality. But the price is very low. Go to: http://zportusa.com/ to see them
Could be a great gift during the holiday season.
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
jim@sportsplanes.com
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| Subject: | Folding Bikes - Under $175 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Roskind" <frankroskind@hotmail.com>
There is a good subforum on folding bikes at www.bikeforums.net
From: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Folding Bikes - Under $175
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
I just learned about these new folding bikes that are priced a lot lower
than the competition. I know nothing about the company offering these
bikes, nor their quality. But the price is very low. Go to:
http://zportusa.com/ to see them
Could be a great gift during the holiday season.
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
jim@sportsplanes.com
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| Subject: | Re: Trim indicator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Hi Chuck,
Usually, the way these LED bar graph displays are driven, and what make
good sense for the trim indicator, is the linear actuator is a pot that
feeds a voltage, proportional to the pots position, (trim tab postion),
into the circuit, which probally has an LM3914 Linear Dot/Bar Display
driver, (or equilviant) which takes the input voltage and displays it
with the LEDS. This is the way that I have designed position indicators
in the past.
So....
As for the dead LEDs, it is hard to say. It would be narrowed down to
either the display or the driver. So where do you go from here, it is up
to you. It sounds like the actual driver IC is actually working, because
you state the same LEDs are dark, and while you keep adjusting the trim,
the next one in the row lights up, but the individual comparaters inside
the IC could be bad. See if you want to fix it, or see about getting
another display.
Good luck
Keith
CH701 -- building and forming 0.016" parts
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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Chuck Deiterich wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
>
>I have a MAC electric trim (from ZAC). The LED indicator used to work OK, now
as you change the trim some of the LED's don't come on, they are blank and then
the next one will come on. The ones that don't work are always the same, about
4 out of 10. It looks like there are 3 signal wires and 2 power wires to
the indicator. Does anyone know how the signals work, are they a voltage level
or what?
>Thanks,
>C. Deiterich
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Used 912's Beware! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
Ron, The man that owned the engine did not know it,
also the man that bought the engine did not. Mike
--- Ron Crook <ronflys701@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Crook"
> <ronflys701@hotmail.com>
>
> Anyone who has a 912 already knows about this and
> there will be alot more
> ADs they never end??
>
>
> >From: michael burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Zenith-List: Used 912's Beware!
> >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:44:19 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: michael
> burkhardt <mjbavid@yahoo.com>
> >
> >I was looking for a used 912, found one in the
> >southeast. Looked like a good deal, low time.
> Engine
> >was a 91 or 92 model. The engine logbook did not
> show
> >any of the service bulletins had been completed or
> a
> >overhaul after 10 years. Called Lockwood Aviation
> in
> >Florida talked with there tech Cary {not sure of
> >spelling}. Cary told me after the rocker arms, oil
> >pump, and the stator bulleitns would be $3500.00
> just
> >for parts, not including the overhaul. Also
> required
> >work on the gearbox to upgrade the tbo from 600hrs
> to
> >1000hrs. I called our west coast Rotax rep would
> not
> >even talk to me, just wanted to sell me a new
> engine.
> >Cary at Lockwood took the time to help with my
> >questions. Saved me from being stuck with a
> headache
> >and a money pit. I would have spent more than the
> >purchase price of a new engine. To statisfy the
> >service bulletins and the overhaul. I recommend the
> >people at Lockwood Aviation very highly! A 701
> >builder, still looking for a engine!
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position |
lights on XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Egan" <eedetailing@qwest.net>
Frank wrote:
You can replace the capacitors yourself...I've gone thru 3 sets in 6
years.
The heads seem reliable though.
Of course they may have been improved since I bought mine
Frank
Interesting....
I had an aeroflash powersupply fail earlier this year. I contacted
aeroflash, who told me that they could not repair the unit, as the
internals had become obsolete.
I opened the box up out of curiousity, expecting to find a bunch
of vacuum tubes or something.......nothing but electronic parts.
I suspect that If i opened the replacement box it would look the same
inside.
Not that impressed with aeroflash myself.
TimE
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| Subject: | 701 Design Question. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
Gary,
Thanks for clearing up that issue. I continue to learn a lot. Your answer
makes perfect sense to me.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Gower
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 Design Question.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
The bow in the middle, is part of the "structure rigidy" of the "box"
fuselage.
Just remember the experiment of the egg, will not brake as easy pushing
from the ends that from the sides... also how an arc in a bridge "works" as
a structure when weight is aplied in the center (this is a very looong arc).
This type of structure "trick" is used to lower the caliber (and weight of
course) of the aluminum chanel used as longerons...
Al this (including the bunch of "Ls"), are part of the rigidity of the
semi monocoque type of design of the Zenith Airplanes.
Yes, Mr Heintz is a Genius. Is extremly dificult to design Simple and
Efective things...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
(also Industrial Engineer to earn my living)
Zodie Rocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket"
Hi Chris, Nick or Chris Heintz are the best people in which to get the
facts from concerning your question. But that doesn't stop any of us
pondering it and offering suggestions as to the design choices.
The CH701 does one thing exceptionally well! It has a STOL performance
which is hard to match by any other aircraft including the planes
clones. Originally the CH701's design called out for a 503 power plant
and a 68-72 inch prop. My line of thinking is that the fuselage was
designed to allow the most thrust from the prop with the least amount of
power. By bowing in the middle, I believe that it allows the plane to
perform better in the STOL conditions in which it was designed for. Now
with the design changes and the increased gross to accommodate the Rotax
912 series I doubt that this design portion is still a necessity. But
knowing Chris Heintz, simplicity rules and why change for change sake.
Well that's my 2 cents, sounds good in my grey matter. Though I could be
totally wrong, when I see Chris later this month I will ask him.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill naumuk
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Design Question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk"
Chris-
This sounds like a question for Nick. Try "Technical Questions"
through
the Zenith website.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Lewis"
To:
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Design Question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Chris Lewis
>
> Greetings from Seattle-
>
> I'm beginning the 701 plans building adventure and have been pouring
over
my plans for several weeks and have a question or two.
>
> I notice that the fuselage is wider at the bottom than at the top.
Anyone
know why it's not truly square? Same for the fusealge sides and top.
They
bow slightly in the middle.
>
> Thanks for everyone's contributions to this list. It's been amazing
what
I've been able to learn.
>
> Chris Lewis
> Seattle Area
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, all
I am building a riveted fuel tank, and I am pretty close to start drilling rivet
holes.
Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received from AS&S, and
something un-funny is happening: if I use the smaller riveter head / nozzle (the
one for A4s), the rivet stem gets stuck in the tool, and it doesn't come
out until I disassemble it.
If I use the larger head / nozzle (for A5s), the stem breaks properly and falls
off the tool, but the stem part that should stay in the rivet's head falls
off. It seems the rivet's head does not form properly.
It'll take too long to rivet the tank if I have to disassemble the tool every
time I pop a rivet, so I need to find a solution... :o)
Is there a different tool for popping Cheery rivets? Is my riveter busted (it
does work with regular Avex rivets...)? Or...???
(These are Cheery Q rivets, BSPQ 42)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherryqrivet.php
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/rivetpricetable.php
Regards
Carlos
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| Subject: | Re: Cheery Q rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Carlos,
Is there some reason you want to rivet the gas tank? The normal way
to build one of these from metal is to have it welded.
Paul
XL Wings
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At 09:46 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
>Hello, all
>
> I am building a riveted fuel tank, and I am pretty close to start
> drilling rivet holes.
>
> Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received
> from AS&S, and something un-funny is happening: if I use the
> smaller riveter head / nozzle (the one for A4s), the rivet stem
> gets stuck in the tool, and it doesn't come out until I disassemble it.
> If I use the larger head / nozzle (for A5s), the stem breaks
> properly and falls off the tool, but the stem part that should
> stay in the rivet's head falls off. It seems the rivet's head does
> not form properly.
> It'll take too long to rivet the tank if I have to disassemble
> the tool every time I pop a rivet, so I need to find a solution... :o)
>
> Is there a different tool for popping Cheery rivets? Is my
> riveter busted (it does work with regular Avex rivets...)? Or...???
> (These are Cheery Q rivets, BSPQ 42)
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherryqrivet.php
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/rivetpricetable.php
>
> Regards
>
> Carlos
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position |
lights on XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yeah...And I bet if you just replaced the capacitor it would work just
fine...I get about 2 years out of a standard (non strobe) capacitor.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Egan
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on
XLAeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Egan" <eedetailing@qwest.net>
Frank wrote:
You can replace the capacitors yourself...I've gone thru 3 sets in
6
years.
The heads seem reliable though.
Of course they may have been improved since I bought mine
Frank
Interesting....
I had an aeroflash powersupply fail earlier this year. I contacted
aeroflash, who told me that they could not repair the unit, as the
internals had become obsolete.
I opened the box up out of curiousity, expecting to find a bunch of
vacuum tubes or something.......nothing but electronic parts.
I suspect that If i opened the replacement box it would look the same
inside.
Not that impressed with aeroflash myself.
TimE
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| Subject: | Re: Cheery Q rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ihab Awad <ihab.awad@gmail.com>
On 12/2/05, Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received from AS&S,
> and something un-funny is happening: if I use the smaller riveter head
> / nozzle (the one for A4s), the rivet stem gets stuck in the tool, and it
> doesn't come out until I disassemble it.
Fwiw, I have been able to drive BSQP-4 (Aluminum body, steel mandrel,
protruding head, 1/8" nominal diameter) rivets just fine with a black
and yellow (Stanley?) rivet tool from the local hardware store. Just a
thought. Hope this helps. Peace,
Ihab
--
Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
There is an adjusting screw that controls how tightly the puller grips the
stem. If you measure the avex and cherry stems they are most likely
slightly different diameters. Adjust the screw and you should be fine.
Sometimes loosening the riveter head one turn will also have a similar
effect...but I can't remember if it makes the stem fit tighter or looser at
the moment.
Dave
-.
Hello, all
Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received from AS&S,
and something un-funny is happening: if I use the smaller riveter head /
nozzle (the one for A4s), the rivet stem gets stuck in the tool, and it
doesn't come out until I disassemble it.
If I use the larger head / nozzle (for A5s), the stem breaks properly and
falls off the tool, but the stem part that should stay in the rivet's head
falls off. It seems the rivet's head does not form properly.
It'll take too long to rivet the tank if I have to disassemble the tool
every time I pop a rivet, so I need to find a solution... :o)
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| Subject: | Re: Cheery Q rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hi, Paul
Normal is relative - this is the way RV tanks are built (with *solid* rivets
I admit). And other people on this list also have done it also.
BTW, I'm not going to change my mind - all the (6061-T6, 0.032") parts are cut
and bent to shape and they fit nicely... :o)
Cheers
Carlos
Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted
by: Paul Mulwitz
Hi Carlos,
Is there some reason you want to rivet the gas tank? The normal way
to build one of these from metal is to have it welded.
Paul
XL Wings
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At 09:46 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa
>
>Hello, all
>
> I am building a riveted fuel tank, and I am pretty close to start
> drilling rivet holes.
>
> Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received
> from AS&S, and something un-funny is happening: if I use the
> smaller riveter head / nozzle (the one for A4s), the rivet stem
> gets stuck in the tool, and it doesn't come out until I disassemble it.
> If I use the larger head / nozzle (for A5s), the stem breaks
> properly and falls off the tool, but the stem part that should
> stay in the rivet's head falls off. It seems the rivet's head does
> not form properly.
> It'll take too long to rivet the tank if I have to disassemble
> the tool every time I pop a rivet, so I need to find a solution... :o)
>
> Is there a different tool for popping Cheery rivets? Is my
> riveter busted (it does work with regular Avex rivets...)? Or...???
> (These are Cheery Q rivets, BSPQ 42)
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherryqrivet.php
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/rivetpricetable.php
>
> Regards
>
> Carlos
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" <royt.or@netzero.com>
George,
I use an external 40A alternator in N601RT. I have the 18A standard alternator
wired as a backup which I verify is operational as part of my pre-taxi check list.
I use the 40A alternator as the primary alternator. Wiring and control methods
of the alternators for N601RT taken from aerolectric.com and the aerolectric-list
hosted by matronics.
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped,
486hrs, 592 landings
George asked:
Is anyone using the external 40 amp alternator on a Rotax 912?
If so, are you also using the alternator that comes with the engine?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
All-
Can any XL builders with the factory aileron trim option help me out with a
little information? I'm building an HDS, and the factory trim recommendation
is a butt ugly (But effective, from what I hear) outboard tab. I don't know if
that's because my plans are 2001 rev, or if the XL aileron is appreciably bigger
than the HDS to allow more room for installation.
1. What are the dimensions that make up the aileron triangle at the main rib?
2. What are the tab dimensions?
3. What RAC servo is used?
I'm sure I could mount one of the mini-servos, but don't think 1/2" of travel
is sufficient. Any observations from those of you lucky enough to be flying
are more than welcome.
Thanks.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Stro... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 12/2/2005 2:28:48 PM Central Standard Time,
frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
Yeah...And I bet if you just replaced the capacitor it would work just
fine...I get about 2 years out of a standard (non strobe) capacitor.
Frank
Can you help us out with the PN and source please? We are sure to face the
same problem.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Bill,
My recent factory kit includes the same "Servo" for the aileron trim
as the elevator trim. It is a .7 inch travel one.
I am not at my shop so I can't read the prints right now. If you
don't get the answer to dimensions, let me know and I will get them
for you. The design seems very good with a cutout similar to the
elevator trim and a triangular tube shaped trim tab that is inset
with the same trailing edge as the rest of the aileron. This doesn't
sound at all like your description.
Paul
XL Wings
At 03:42 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
>
>All-
> Can any XL builders with the factory aileron trim option help
> me out with a little information? I'm building an HDS, and the
> factory trim recommendation is a butt ugly (But effective, from
> what I hear) outboard tab. I don't know if that's because my plans
> are 2001 rev, or if the XL aileron is appreciably bigger than the
> HDS to allow more room for installation.
> 1. What are the dimensions that make up the aileron triangle at
> the main rib?
> 2. What are the tab dimensions?
> 3. What RAC servo is used?
> I'm sure I could mount one of the mini-servos, but don't think
> 1/2" of travel is sufficient. Any observations from those of you
> lucky enough to be flying are more than welcome.
> Thanks.
> Bill
> do not archive
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Stro... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Actually I can't. I justopen up the power supply, grab a components
catalogue and match the numbers.
50 microfarad at 450V I think it was...But you need to check.
Replacement is smaller than the aeroflash original.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JERICKSON03E@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on
XLAeroflash Nav-Stro...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 12/2/2005 2:28:48 PM Central Standard Time,
frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
Yeah...And I bet if you just replaced the capacitor it would work just
fine...I get about 2 years out of a standard (non strobe) capacitor.
Frank
Can you help us out with the PN and source please? We are sure to face
the same problem.
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| Subject: | Re: Cheery Q rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries <vair601@yahoo.com>
Carlos,
If you pull a ton of rivets, frequently what happens is debris builds up in the
pulling jaws. This is very common with aluminum mandreled rivets. Disassemble
the pulling head and clean with carb. spray. Lube with light weight oil,
like air tool oil, once assembled. See if that helps.
Bill Jeffries
> Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received
> from AS&S, and something un-funny is happening: if I use the
> smaller riveter head / nozzle (the one for A4s), the rivet stem
> gets stuck in the tool,
---------------------------------
Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
Paul-
My description is of the 2001 rev recommended installation, which is
totally different from the XL. I can't see the dimensions in your picture-
can you give me the 3 sides of the main aileron rib, and the length and
width of the trim tab? Appreciate it.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron Trim
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
<p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> My recent factory kit includes the same "Servo" for the aileron trim
> as the elevator trim. It is a .7 inch travel one.
>
> I am not at my shop so I can't read the prints right now. If you
> don't get the answer to dimensions, let me know and I will get them
> for you. The design seems very good with a cutout similar to the
> elevator trim and a triangular tube shaped trim tab that is inset
> with the same trailing edge as the rest of the aileron. This doesn't
> sound at all like your description.
>
> Paul
> XL Wings
>
> At 03:42 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
> >
> >All-
> > Can any XL builders with the factory aileron trim option help
> > me out with a little information? I'm building an HDS, and the
> > factory trim recommendation is a butt ugly (But effective, from
> > what I hear) outboard tab. I don't know if that's because my plans
> > are 2001 rev, or if the XL aileron is appreciably bigger than the
> > HDS to allow more room for installation.
> > 1. What are the dimensions that make up the aileron triangle at
> > the main rib?
> > 2. What are the tab dimensions?
> > 3. What RAC servo is used?
> > I'm sure I could mount one of the mini-servos, but don't think
> > 1/2" of travel is sufficient. Any observations from those of you
> > lucky enough to be flying are more than welcome.
> > Thanks.
> > Bill
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Paul Mulwitz
> 32013 NE Dial Road
> Camas, WA 98607
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Propeller installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Dear List:
I am getting ready to install my Woodcomp 3 blade Klassic propeller on my
CH-701 with a 912ULS engine. Any hints and help would be appreciated. What pitch
should it be set at? What is the best way to set the pitch? How do you get
each blade exactly the same? I've never installed a prop before and any
suggestions would be appreciated. Boy they sure are light!
Thanks
Bob Spudis
CH-701/912S
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| Subject: | Re: Cheery Q rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Carlos,
I am sure I have a note from one list, about building riveted tanks, including
the name of the sealant to use betwen the two pieces (something like a liquid
gasket).
I cant remeber in the computer I have it... (office, home or laptop)
What I remember is that was writen by Mr Bob Hoover (the other Bob), he is a
VW engine expert.
If you think you can learn something from this notes, I will look for it monday.
Hope still is there.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa
Hi, Paul
Normal is relative - this is the way RV tanks are built (with *solid* rivets I
admit). And other people on this list also have done it also.
BTW, I'm not going to change my mind - all the (6061-T6, 0.032") parts are cut
and bent to shape and they fit nicely... :o)
Cheers
Carlos
Paul Mulwitz
wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
Hi Carlos,
Is there some reason you want to rivet the gas tank? The normal way
to build one of these from metal is to have it welded.
Paul
XL Wings
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At 09:46 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa
>
>Hello, all
>
> I am building a riveted fuel tank, and I am pretty close to start
> drilling rivet holes.
>
> Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received
> from AS&S, and something un-funny is happening: if I use the
> smaller riveter head / nozzle (the one for A4s), the rivet stem
> gets stuck in the tool, and it doesn't come out until I disassemble it.
> If I use the larger head / nozzle (for A5s), the stem breaks
> properly and falls off the tool, but the stem part that should
> stay in the rivet's head falls off. It seems the rivet's head does
> not form properly.
> It'll take too long to rivet the tank if I have to disassemble
> the tool every time I pop a rivet, so I need to find a solution... :o)
>
> Is there a different tool for popping Cheery rivets? Is my
> riveter busted (it does work with regular Avex rivets...)? Or...???
> (These are Cheery Q rivets, BSPQ 42)
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherryqrivet.php
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/rivetpricetable.php
>
> Regards
>
> Carlos
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