---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/02/05: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:26 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com) 2. 05:52 AM - Nav strobe lights (Robin Bellach) 3. 06:15 AM - Folding Bikes - Under $175 (jim) 4. 06:36 AM - Re: Folding Bikes - Under $175 (Frank Roskind) 5. 08:03 AM - Re: Trim indicator (Keith Ashcraft) 6. 08:10 AM - Re: Used 912's Beware! (michael burkhardt) 7. 08:17 AM - Re: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XL (Tim Egan) 8. 09:02 AM - Re: 701 Design Question. (Tommy Walker) 9. 09:47 AM - Cheery Q rivets (Carlos Sa) 10. 12:22 PM - Re: Cheery Q rivets (Paul Mulwitz) 11. 12:27 PM - Re: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XL (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 12. 01:39 PM - Re: Cheery Q rivets (Ihab Awad) 13. 02:04 PM - Re: Cheery Q rivets (David Alberti) 14. 02:10 PM - Re: Cheery Q rivets (Carlos Sa) 15. 02:24 PM - Re: Alternator (royt.or@netzero.com) 16. 03:42 PM - Aileron Trim (bill naumuk) 17. 04:13 PM - Re: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Stro... (JERICKSON03E@aol.com) 18. 05:33 PM - Re: Aileron Trim (Paul Mulwitz) 19. 06:29 PM - Re: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Stro... (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 20. 07:25 PM - Re: Cheery Q rivets (William Jeffries) 21. 08:43 PM - Re: Aileron Trim (bill naumuk) 22. 08:55 PM - Propeller installation (NYTerminat@aol.com) 23. 09:37 PM - Re: Cheery Q rivets (Gary Gower) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:27 AM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com Dear Lister, Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Zenith-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Zenith-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. 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Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:26 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Zenith-List: Nav strobe lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> How about the LED position lights and strobes that Brett Ray sells (about $80 only total)? Do they have any merit? (See them at HogAir.Com) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:15 AM PST US From: "jim" Subject: Zenith-List: Folding Bikes - Under $175 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" I just learned about these new folding bikes that are priced a lot lower than the competition. I know nothing about the company offering these bikes, nor their quality. But the price is very low. Go to: http://zportusa.com/ to see them Could be a great gift during the holiday season. Jim Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 jim@sportsplanes.com Sent via the WebMail system at Engage IT ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:40 AM PST US From: "Frank Roskind" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Folding Bikes - Under $175 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Roskind" There is a good subforum on folding bikes at www.bikeforums.net From: "jim" Subject: Zenith-List: Folding Bikes - Under $175 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" I just learned about these new folding bikes that are priced a lot lower than the competition. I know nothing about the company offering these bikes, nor their quality. But the price is very low. Go to: http://zportusa.com/ to see them Could be a great gift during the holiday season. Jim Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 jim@sportsplanes.com Sent via the WebMail system at Engage IT ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:07 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trim indicator --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft Hi Chuck, Usually, the way these LED bar graph displays are driven, and what make good sense for the trim indicator, is the linear actuator is a pot that feeds a voltage, proportional to the pots position, (trim tab postion), into the circuit, which probally has an LM3914 Linear Dot/Bar Display driver, (or equilviant) which takes the input voltage and displays it with the LEDS. This is the way that I have designed position indicators in the past. So.... As for the dead LEDs, it is hard to say. It would be narrowed down to either the display or the driver. So where do you go from here, it is up to you. It sounds like the actual driver IC is actually working, because you state the same LEDs are dark, and while you keep adjusting the trim, the next one in the row lights up, but the individual comparaters inside the IC could be bad. See if you want to fix it, or see about getting another display. Good luck Keith CH701 -- building and forming 0.016" parts N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' ******************************************************************** Chuck Deiterich wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" > >I have a MAC electric trim (from ZAC). The LED indicator used to work OK, now as you change the trim some of the LED's don't come on, they are blank and then the next one will come on. The ones that don't work are always the same, about 4 out of 10. It looks like there are 3 signal wires and 2 power wires to the indicator. Does anyone know how the signals work, are they a voltage level or what? >Thanks, >C. Deiterich > > > > -- ************************************* *Keith Ashcraft* ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Industries, Inc. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT Industries accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:39 AM PST US From: michael burkhardt Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Used 912's Beware! --> Zenith-List message posted by: michael burkhardt Ron, The man that owned the engine did not know it, also the man that bought the engine did not. Mike --- Ron Crook wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Crook" > > > Anyone who has a 912 already knows about this and > there will be alot more > ADs they never end?? > > > >From: michael burkhardt > >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com > >To: zenith-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Zenith-List: Used 912's Beware! > >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:44:19 -0800 (PST) > > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: michael > burkhardt > > > >I was looking for a used 912, found one in the > >southeast. Looked like a good deal, low time. > Engine > >was a 91 or 92 model. The engine logbook did not > show > >any of the service bulletins had been completed or > a > >overhaul after 10 years. Called Lockwood Aviation > in > >Florida talked with there tech Cary {not sure of > >spelling}. Cary told me after the rocker arms, oil > >pump, and the stator bulleitns would be $3500.00 > just > >for parts, not including the overhaul. Also > required > >work on the gearbox to upgrade the tbo from 600hrs > to > >1000hrs. I called our west coast Rotax rep would > not > >even talk to me, just wanted to sell me a new > engine. > >Cary at Lockwood took the time to help with my > >questions. Saved me from being stuck with a > headache > >and a money pit. I would have spent more than the > >purchase price of a new engine. To statisfy the > >service bulletins and the overhaul. I recommend the > >people at Lockwood Aviation very highly! A 701 > >builder, still looking for a engine! > > > > > >__________________________________ > > > > > > Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover > the best the Internet has > to offer. > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN Premium > right now and get the > first two months FREE*. > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > _-> > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:06 AM PST US From: "Tim Egan" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Egan" Frank wrote: You can replace the capacitors yourself...I've gone thru 3 sets in 6 years. The heads seem reliable though. Of course they may have been improved since I bought mine Frank Interesting.... I had an aeroflash powersupply fail earlier this year. I contacted aeroflash, who told me that they could not repair the unit, as the internals had become obsolete. I opened the box up out of curiousity, expecting to find a bunch of vacuum tubes or something.......nothing but electronic parts. I suspect that If i opened the replacement box it would look the same inside. Not that impressed with aeroflash myself. TimE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:56 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 Design Question. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" Gary, Thanks for clearing up that issue. I continue to learn a lot. Your answer makes perfect sense to me. Tommy Walker in Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Gower Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 Design Question. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower The bow in the middle, is part of the "structure rigidy" of the "box" fuselage. Just remember the experiment of the egg, will not brake as easy pushing from the ends that from the sides... also how an arc in a bridge "works" as a structure when weight is aplied in the center (this is a very looong arc). This type of structure "trick" is used to lower the caliber (and weight of course) of the aluminum chanel used as longerons... Al this (including the bunch of "Ls"), are part of the rigidity of the semi monocoque type of design of the Zenith Airplanes. Yes, Mr Heintz is a Genius. Is extremly dificult to design Simple and Efective things... Saludos Gary Gower. (also Industrial Engineer to earn my living) Zodie Rocket wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" Hi Chris, Nick or Chris Heintz are the best people in which to get the facts from concerning your question. But that doesn't stop any of us pondering it and offering suggestions as to the design choices. The CH701 does one thing exceptionally well! It has a STOL performance which is hard to match by any other aircraft including the planes clones. Originally the CH701's design called out for a 503 power plant and a 68-72 inch prop. My line of thinking is that the fuselage was designed to allow the most thrust from the prop with the least amount of power. By bowing in the middle, I believe that it allows the plane to perform better in the STOL conditions in which it was designed for. Now with the design changes and the increased gross to accommodate the Rotax 912 series I doubt that this design portion is still a necessity. But knowing Chris Heintz, simplicity rules and why change for change sake. Well that's my 2 cents, sounds good in my grey matter. Though I could be totally wrong, when I see Chris later this month I will ask him. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill naumuk Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Design Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" Chris- This sounds like a question for Nick. Try "Technical Questions" through the Zenith website. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Lewis" To: Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Design Question > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Chris Lewis > > Greetings from Seattle- > > I'm beginning the 701 plans building adventure and have been pouring over my plans for several weeks and have a question or two. > > I notice that the fuselage is wider at the bottom than at the top. Anyone know why it's not truly square? Same for the fusealge sides and top. They bow slightly in the middle. > > Thanks for everyone's contributions to this list. It's been amazing what I've been able to learn. > > Chris Lewis > Seattle Area > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:48 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Zenith-List: Cheery Q rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Hello, all I am building a riveted fuel tank, and I am pretty close to start drilling rivet holes. Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received from AS&S, and something un-funny is happening: if I use the smaller riveter head / nozzle (the one for A4s), the rivet stem gets stuck in the tool, and it doesn't come out until I disassemble it. If I use the larger head / nozzle (for A5s), the stem breaks properly and falls off the tool, but the stem part that should stay in the rivet's head falls off. It seems the rivet's head does not form properly. It'll take too long to rivet the tank if I have to disassemble the tool every time I pop a rivet, so I need to find a solution... :o) Is there a different tool for popping Cheery rivets? Is my riveter busted (it does work with regular Avex rivets...)? Or...??? (These are Cheery Q rivets, BSPQ 42) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherryqrivet.php http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/rivetpricetable.php Regards Carlos --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:43 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cheery Q rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Carlos, Is there some reason you want to rivet the gas tank? The normal way to build one of these from metal is to have it welded. Paul XL Wings Do not archive At 09:46 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa > >Hello, all > > I am building a riveted fuel tank, and I am pretty close to start > drilling rivet holes. > > Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received > from AS&S, and something un-funny is happening: if I use the > smaller riveter head / nozzle (the one for A4s), the rivet stem > gets stuck in the tool, and it doesn't come out until I disassemble it. > If I use the larger head / nozzle (for A5s), the stem breaks > properly and falls off the tool, but the stem part that should > stay in the rivet's head falls off. It seems the rivet's head does > not form properly. > It'll take too long to rivet the tank if I have to disassemble > the tool every time I pop a rivet, so I need to find a solution... :o) > > Is there a different tool for popping Cheery rivets? Is my > riveter busted (it does work with regular Avex rivets...)? Or...??? > (These are Cheery Q rivets, BSPQ 42) > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherryqrivet.php > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/rivetpricetable.php > > Regards > > Carlos > > >--------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:01 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XL From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Yeah...And I bet if you just replaced the capacitor it would work just fine...I get about 2 years out of a standard (non strobe) capacitor. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Egan Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Egan" Frank wrote: You can replace the capacitors yourself...I've gone thru 3 sets in 6 years. The heads seem reliable though. Of course they may have been improved since I bought mine Frank Interesting.... I had an aeroflash powersupply fail earlier this year. I contacted aeroflash, who told me that they could not repair the unit, as the internals had become obsolete. I opened the box up out of curiousity, expecting to find a bunch of vacuum tubes or something.......nothing but electronic parts. I suspect that If i opened the replacement box it would look the same inside. Not that impressed with aeroflash myself. TimE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:03 PM PST US From: Ihab Awad Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cheery Q rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ihab Awad On 12/2/05, Carlos Sa wrote: > Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received from AS&S, > and something un-funny is happening: if I use the smaller riveter head > / nozzle (the one for A4s), the rivet stem gets stuck in the tool, and it > doesn't come out until I disassemble it. Fwiw, I have been able to drive BSQP-4 (Aluminum body, steel mandrel, protruding head, 1/8" nominal diameter) rivets just fine with a black and yellow (Stanley?) rivet tool from the local hardware store. Just a thought. Hope this helps. Peace, Ihab -- Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:32 PM PST US From: "David Alberti" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Cheery Q rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" There is an adjusting screw that controls how tightly the puller grips the stem. If you measure the avex and cherry stems they are most likely slightly different diameters. Adjust the screw and you should be fine. Sometimes loosening the riveter head one turn will also have a similar effect...but I can't remember if it makes the stem fit tighter or looser at the moment. Dave -. Hello, all Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received from AS&S, and something un-funny is happening: if I use the smaller riveter head / nozzle (the one for A4s), the rivet stem gets stuck in the tool, and it doesn't come out until I disassemble it. If I use the larger head / nozzle (for A5s), the stem breaks properly and falls off the tool, but the stem part that should stay in the rivet's head falls off. It seems the rivet's head does not form properly. It'll take too long to rivet the tank if I have to disassemble the tool every time I pop a rivet, so I need to find a solution... :o) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:58 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cheery Q rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Hi, Paul Normal is relative - this is the way RV tanks are built (with *solid* rivets I admit). And other people on this list also have done it also. BTW, I'm not going to change my mind - all the (6061-T6, 0.032") parts are cut and bent to shape and they fit nicely... :o) Cheers Carlos Paul Mulwitz wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Carlos, Is there some reason you want to rivet the gas tank? The normal way to build one of these from metal is to have it welded. Paul XL Wings Do not archive At 09:46 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa > >Hello, all > > I am building a riveted fuel tank, and I am pretty close to start > drilling rivet holes. > > Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received > from AS&S, and something un-funny is happening: if I use the > smaller riveter head / nozzle (the one for A4s), the rivet stem > gets stuck in the tool, and it doesn't come out until I disassemble it. > If I use the larger head / nozzle (for A5s), the stem breaks > properly and falls off the tool, but the stem part that should > stay in the rivet's head falls off. It seems the rivet's head does > not form properly. > It'll take too long to rivet the tank if I have to disassemble > the tool every time I pop a rivet, so I need to find a solution... :o) > > Is there a different tool for popping Cheery rivets? Is my > riveter busted (it does work with regular Avex rivets...)? Or...??? > (These are Cheery Q rivets, BSPQ 42) > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherryqrivet.php > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/rivetpricetable.php > > Regards > > Carlos --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:35 PM PST US From: "royt.or@netzero.com" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Alternator --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" George, I use an external 40A alternator in N601RT. I have the 18A standard alternator wired as a backup which I verify is operational as part of my pre-taxi check list. I use the 40A alternator as the primary alternator. Wiring and control methods of the alternators for N601RT taken from aerolectric.com and the aerolectric-list hosted by matronics. Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 486hrs, 592 landings George asked: Is anyone using the external 40 amp alternator on a Rotax 912? If so, are you also using the alternator that comes with the engine? ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:50 PM PST US From: "bill naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Aileron Trim --> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" All- Can any XL builders with the factory aileron trim option help me out with a little information? I'm building an HDS, and the factory trim recommendation is a butt ugly (But effective, from what I hear) outboard tab. I don't know if that's because my plans are 2001 rev, or if the XL aileron is appreciably bigger than the HDS to allow more room for installation. 1. What are the dimensions that make up the aileron triangle at the main rib? 2. What are the tab dimensions? 3. What RAC servo is used? I'm sure I could mount one of the mini-servos, but don't think 1/2" of travel is sufficient. Any observations from those of you lucky enough to be flying are more than welcome. Thanks. Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:44 PM PST US From: JERICKSON03E@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Stro... --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com In a message dated 12/2/2005 2:28:48 PM Central Standard Time, frank.hinde@hp.com writes: Yeah...And I bet if you just replaced the capacitor it would work just fine...I get about 2 years out of a standard (non strobe) capacitor. Frank Can you help us out with the PN and source please? We are sure to face the same problem. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:14 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron Trim --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Bill, My recent factory kit includes the same "Servo" for the aileron trim as the elevator trim. It is a .7 inch travel one. I am not at my shop so I can't read the prints right now. If you don't get the answer to dimensions, let me know and I will get them for you. The design seems very good with a cutout similar to the elevator trim and a triangular tube shaped trim tab that is inset with the same trailing edge as the rest of the aileron. This doesn't sound at all like your description. Paul XL Wings At 03:42 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" > >All- > Can any XL builders with the factory aileron trim option help > me out with a little information? I'm building an HDS, and the > factory trim recommendation is a butt ugly (But effective, from > what I hear) outboard tab. I don't know if that's because my plans > are 2001 rev, or if the XL aileron is appreciably bigger than the > HDS to allow more room for installation. > 1. What are the dimensions that make up the aileron triangle at > the main rib? > 2. What are the tab dimensions? > 3. What RAC servo is used? > I'm sure I could mount one of the mini-servos, but don't think > 1/2" of travel is sufficient. Any observations from those of you > lucky enough to be flying are more than welcome. > Thanks. > Bill > do not archive > > --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:35 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Stro... From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Actually I can't. I justopen up the power supply, grab a components catalogue and match the numbers. 50 microfarad at 450V I think it was...But you need to check. Replacement is smaller than the aeroflash original. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JERICKSON03E@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aeroflash Nav-Strobe-Position lights on XLAeroflash Nav-Stro... --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com In a message dated 12/2/2005 2:28:48 PM Central Standard Time, frank.hinde@hp.com writes: Yeah...And I bet if you just replaced the capacitor it would work just fine...I get about 2 years out of a standard (non strobe) capacitor. Frank Can you help us out with the PN and source please? We are sure to face the same problem. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:07 PM PST US From: William Jeffries Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cheery Q rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries Carlos, If you pull a ton of rivets, frequently what happens is debris builds up in the pulling jaws. This is very common with aluminum mandreled rivets. Disassemble the pulling head and clean with carb. spray. Lube with light weight oil, like air tool oil, once assembled. See if that helps. Bill Jeffries > Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received > from AS&S, and something un-funny is happening: if I use the > smaller riveter head / nozzle (the one for A4s), the rivet stem > gets stuck in the tool, --------------------------------- Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:29 PM PST US From: "bill naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron Trim --> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" Paul- My description is of the 2001 rev recommended installation, which is totally different from the XL. I can't see the dimensions in your picture- can you give me the 3 sides of the main aileron rib, and the length and width of the trim tab? Appreciate it. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron Trim > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz > > Hi Bill, > > My recent factory kit includes the same "Servo" for the aileron trim > as the elevator trim. It is a .7 inch travel one. > > I am not at my shop so I can't read the prints right now. If you > don't get the answer to dimensions, let me know and I will get them > for you. The design seems very good with a cutout similar to the > elevator trim and a triangular tube shaped trim tab that is inset > with the same trailing edge as the rest of the aileron. This doesn't > sound at all like your description. > > Paul > XL Wings > > At 03:42 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" > > > >All- > > Can any XL builders with the factory aileron trim option help > > me out with a little information? I'm building an HDS, and the > > factory trim recommendation is a butt ugly (But effective, from > > what I hear) outboard tab. I don't know if that's because my plans > > are 2001 rev, or if the XL aileron is appreciably bigger than the > > HDS to allow more room for installation. > > 1. What are the dimensions that make up the aileron triangle at > > the main rib? > > 2. What are the tab dimensions? > > 3. What RAC servo is used? > > I'm sure I could mount one of the mini-servos, but don't think > > 1/2" of travel is sufficient. Any observations from those of you > > lucky enough to be flying are more than welcome. > > Thanks. > > Bill > > do not archive > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > Paul Mulwitz > 32013 NE Dial Road > Camas, WA 98607 > --------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:03 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Propeller installation --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com Dear List: I am getting ready to install my Woodcomp 3 blade Klassic propeller on my CH-701 with a 912ULS engine. Any hints and help would be appreciated. What pitch should it be set at? What is the best way to set the pitch? How do you get each blade exactly the same? I've never installed a prop before and any suggestions would be appreciated. Boy they sure are light! Thanks Bob Spudis CH-701/912S ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:01 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cheery Q rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Carlos, I am sure I have a note from one list, about building riveted tanks, including the name of the sealant to use betwen the two pieces (something like a liquid gasket). I cant remeber in the computer I have it... (office, home or laptop) What I remember is that was writen by Mr Bob Hoover (the other Bob), he is a VW engine expert. If you think you can learn something from this notes, I will look for it monday. Hope still is there. Saludos Gary Gower. Carlos Sa wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Hi, Paul Normal is relative - this is the way RV tanks are built (with *solid* rivets I admit). And other people on this list also have done it also. BTW, I'm not going to change my mind - all the (6061-T6, 0.032") parts are cut and bent to shape and they fit nicely... :o) Cheers Carlos Paul Mulwitz wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Carlos, Is there some reason you want to rivet the gas tank? The normal way to build one of these from metal is to have it welded. Paul XL Wings Do not archive At 09:46 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa > >Hello, all > > I am building a riveted fuel tank, and I am pretty close to start > drilling rivet holes. > > Last night I decided to check the Cherry Q rivets I received > from AS&S, and something un-funny is happening: if I use the > smaller riveter head / nozzle (the one for A4s), the rivet stem > gets stuck in the tool, and it doesn't come out until I disassemble it. > If I use the larger head / nozzle (for A5s), the stem breaks > properly and falls off the tool, but the stem part that should > stay in the rivet's head falls off. It seems the rivet's head does > not form properly. > It'll take too long to rivet the tank if I have to disassemble > the tool every time I pop a rivet, so I need to find a solution... :o) > > Is there a different tool for popping Cheery rivets? Is my > riveter busted (it does work with regular Avex rivets...)? Or...??? > (These are Cheery Q rivets, BSPQ 42) > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherryqrivet.php > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/rivetpricetable.php > > Regards > > Carlos --------------------------------- Let fate take it's course directly to your email.