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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Let me say *thank you* to everyone that made a Contribution in
support of the Lists this year! It was really nice to hear all the
great comments people had regarding what the Lists mean to them and
how much they look forward to reading the new posts each day. As I
have said many times before, running these Lists and creating the
many new features is truly a labor of love. This is why your
comments of support and appreciation have particular meaning for
me. Your generosity during this time of List support only
underscores the great sentiments people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund
Raiser please feel free to do so. There are still a number of the
various Free Gifts to be had as well. Once again, the URL for the
Contribution web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises (
http://www.kitlog.com ), and Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP (
http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) for their extremely generous support
during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of
merchandise. These are three great guys that support this industry
and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their
respective web sites. Thank you Andy, Paul, and Jon!! Your support
is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find the 2005 List of Contributors
current as of 12/4/05! Have a look at this list of names as these
are the people that make all of these List services possible! I
can't thank each of you enough for your support and great feedback
during this year's Fund Raiser! THANK YOU!
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and
hope to have everything out by the end of the month. In most cases,
gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
------------------ 2005 List of Contributors ---------------------
Ackerman, John P
Ackland, Andrew
Ackworth, Robert
Adamson, Arden
Akerstrom, Ed
Alberti, David
Alexander, George
Allee, Joseph
Allen, Mark L
Alley, Brian
Allington, Wally
Allsop, Bryan
Alons, Kevin
Al, Rupp
Altenhein, Gary
Anderson, Edward
Anderson, John
Anderson, Ken
Andrews, Ronald
Anliker, Mark
Anthony, Bruce
Anton, Bill
Applefeld, Gerald
Archer, Matt
Ashcraft, Keith
Atkinson, Paul
Austin, Peter
Babb, Tony
Bahrns, Stan
Baker, Mike
Baker, Owen
Baker, Roger
Baker, Victor
Baleshta, Doug
Ballenger, James
Barba, Alberto
Barnes, Thomas
Barrie, Darwin
Barson, Ron
Barter, Tom
Basiliere, Rick
Bass, George
BatchelderJr, Ellery
Bates Jr, Marcus
Bean, Jim
Bean, Robert
Bearden, Jeff
Beauchamp, Norm
Bellach, Robin
Bell, Bruce B
Bell, Jack
Belvin, Thomas
Benjamin, Hal
Benson, Lonn
Benson, Lonnie
Berges, Duncan
Berg, Wayne
Bermudez, John
Berner, Walter
Bernier, Jim
Berry, Bert
Berry, Jim
Bertz, Gary
Berube, Bob
Betz, Judie
Bezzard, Richard
Bickham, John
Bidle, Jerry
Bieberdorf, Roger
Billingsley, Dan
Billington, Chuck
Bish, Dan
Black, Milton
Blackwell, Jimmie
Blackwell, Rodney
Blair, Sean
Blank, Stephen
Boeshaar, David
Boetto, Steve
Bohannon, Larry
Bollaert, Brian
Bonds, Kevin
Boothe, Gary
Booze, Greg
Bope, David
Bordelon, Bruce
Borger, Robert
Boucher, Michel
Boulet, Paul
Bourne, Larry
Bowen, Gordon
Bowen, James
Bowen, Larry
Bowman, Brice
Bowman, John
Boxill, Mike
Boyd, Bill
Boyer, James R
Boyle, Neville
Brame, Charles
Brandt, Leroy
Brasch, Glenn
Breckenridge, Bruce
Bressler, Wes
Bressler, Wesley
Brick, John
Brien, Tim
Briggs, Gary
Brogley, Michael
Brooks, John
Brooks, Kenyon
Brooks, Sterling
Broom, Richard
Brown, Allen
Brown, Bob
Brunke, Judy
Bryan, Mark
Buchanan, Guy
Buchmann, Keith
Buckthal, Robert
Buess, Alfred
Bullett, Charles
Bullock, Jack
Bumhoffer, Al
Burden, Ron
Burke, James
Burkhardt, Michael
Burnaby, John
Burnett, Ron
Burns, Mark
Burrill, Phil
Burrows, Alan
Burton, James
Busch, Rob
Butcher, James
Butcher, Ron
Butler, Francis
Butler, Sherman
Butterfield, John
Buyse, Lieven
Caldwell, Rick
Cannon, Michael
Cannon, Paul
Cann, Tony
Cantrell, Jim
Cantrell, Jimmy
Capen, Ralph
Capra, Sal
Cardell, Bill
Carillon Sr, Paul
Carpenter, Jeffrey
Carpenter, Kenneth
Carriere, James
Carroll, Randy
Carter, David
Carter, Howard
Carter, PaulQ
Carter, Preston
Cary, William
Casson, Perry
Challgren, Stanley
Chambers, Ken
Champion, Robert
Chandler, Rick
Chang, Ted
Chatham, Robert
Checkoway, Dan
Chelvanayagam, Indran
Chenoweth, William
Chevaillier, Mason
Circle, Roger
Clarke, Christopher
Clarke, Paddy
Clark, James
Clark, Michael
Clay, Dennis
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
Cliff, John
Clifford, Dewayne
Clyma, Frank
Coalwell, Timothy
Cochran, Mark
Cochran, Stewart
Coggins, Mickey
Cole, Gary
Cole, Gerry
Cole, Roger
Colucci, Tony
Combs, Doyle
Combs, Jim
Comfort, Gordon
Compton, Scott
Condrey, Bob
Connell, Joseph
Conrad, Gerald
Constant, Jeremy
Cook, Doug
Cook, Marc
Cooling, John
Cooper, James
Cooper, Marcus
Corbalis, Leo
Corder, Michael
Corner, Jim
Corriveau, Grant
Cottingham, Richard
Cottrell, Larry
Coursey, William
Courtney, James
Coussons, Herb
Cox, John
Cravener, Donald
Crawford, Corey
Creer, Michael
Cribb, William
Crockett, Jim
Crosby, Harry
Crosley, Rich
Cross, Brian
Crothers, Bill
Cruikshank, Bruce
Culver, Ronald
Curtis, William
Dalstrom, Douglas
Dalton, Bob
Daniell, William
Danielsen, HansJ%c3%b8rgen
Daves, Russell
Davidson, Jeff
Davies, Brian
Davis, Barry
Davis, Deems
Davis, Robert
Dawson, Clif
Dawson, Garth
Decker, Daniel
Decramer, Dick
Deford, David
De Jong, Jan
Delaney, Tom
Deloach, Reginald
DelPeso, Jose
Delsol, Mich%c3%a8le
Dennis, Chris
Dewees, Ron
Dewey, Debbie
Dial, Larry
Dickson, Robert
Dieh, Donald
Dietrich, Klaus
Disher, John
Dominy, Kenneth
Donato, John
Dondlinger, Leo
Doran, Thomas
Dorsey, Robert
Doud, Herbert
Dovey, Martin
Doyle, Mike
Draper, Mike
Dresden, Robert
Dufresne, Robert
Duke, Gordon
Dunne, John
Durakovich, David
East, David
Eckenroth, Paul
Edgerton, Wayne
Edwards, Ed
Edwards, Joe
Ehlers, Clyde D
Eli, Robert
Ellenberger, Christopher
Ellenberger, Mike
Elliott, Andrew
Ellis, Dale
Elrod, Michael
Engel, Jerry
Engh, Duncan
England, Charles
Erickson, Alan
Erickson, Gerald
Erickson, Ken
Ervin, Thomas
Evenson, Roger
Fackler, Ken
Fair, Deal
Falik, Donald
Farmer, Daniel
Faulkner, Thomas
F, Dwight
Featherston, Les
Feldman, Herb
Felker, Timothy
Fetterman, Lanny
Fillinger, Fred
Filucci, Michael
Finley, John
Fischer, Douglas
Fischer, John
Fishe, James
Fisher, Richard
Fitzpatrick, Robert
Fix, Douglas
Flamini, Dennis
Flavin, John
Fluent, Grant
Flynn, Harold
Ford, Dean
Ford, John
Ford, Michael
Forrest, Gerald
Forsberg, Erik
Fosse, James M
Fox, Byron
Fox, Stephen
Franz, Carl
Fray, Jerry
Frazier, Ford
French, Edwin
French, James
Fromm, John
Fulgham, Bill
Fullilove, Ken
Fulmer, Joseph
Fussell, Larry
Fux, Franz
Gabbard, Gary
Gallagher, Noel
Gallenbach, Craig
Gantzer, Charles G
Gardner, Albert
Gardner, Terrence
Garland, Doug
Garrou, Douglas
Gates, Leo
Geese, Ronald
Geldermann, Daniel
Genzlinger, Reade
George, Joe
George, Neal
German, Mark
Giacona, William
Gibbons, Robert
Giddens, Gerald
Gillespie, Byron
Gillespie, Rl
Gilliatt, Jim
Glaeser, Dennis
Gleason, Mike
Goff, George
Goguen, Jon
Goguen, Nelson
Golden, Dennis
Goode, Richard
Goodings, John
Goodridge, Stuart
Goolsby, James
Gordon, Keith
Gottelt, Herbert
Gott, Shelby
Goudinoff, Peter
Gower, Gary
Gowing, John
Grabb, Gary
Graham, Jim
Graham Jr, W Doyce
Graichen, Peter
Grajek, Al
Grant, Jordan
Grantz, Alan
Green, Luther
Greenough, Jim
Griffin, Bill
Griffin, Jim
Griffin, Robert
Grigson, Greg
Grimmonpre, Jerry
Groell, Pascal
Groote, Curtis
Grosse, John
Gummo, Thomas
Gustafson, Aaron
Gwin, Rique
Hackler, Douglas
Haertlein, Frank
Hagar, Steve
Hale, Ade
Haley, Gary
Hall, Charles
Hall, Joel
Halvorsen, Lyf
Hamer, Steve
Hamilton, Red
Hamilton, William J
Hand, Christopher
Hankinson, Julian
Hanley, BrettAlan
Hanley, Mark
Hansen, ArnoldKristian
Hansen, Graham
Happ, Paul
Harcourt, David
Haring, Robert
Harmon, John
Harrill, Roy
Harrison, Nigel
Harrod, Peter
Hart, Rob
Hasbrouck, John
Hatch, Fletcher
Hatfield, Cecil
Hatfield, William
Hauck, John
Haverlah, Dennis
Haynes, Joel
Heaton, Herb
Hedrick, Keith
Hefferan, Rex
Hefner, Jim
Hegenauer, Elmar
Hegenauer, Manuela
Heindl, Karl
Hein, Jim
Heller, Martin
Helming, LarryRobert
Henwick, Mark
Heritch, Ian
Herminghaus, John
Herron, Al
Hershberger, Edward
Herzner, Fred
Hetrick, Dale
Heykoop, John
Hibbing, William
Higgins, Floran
Hill, Jeff
Hill, Ken
Hill, Kenneth
Hill, StanleyA
Hinde, Frank
Hodges, Mitchell
Hoffman, Allan
Hoffman, Carl
Holifield, Steve
Holland, James
Holland, Rick
Holliday, Robert
Holyoke, Ed
Honer, Michael
Hooper, Randy
Horne, Gilbert
Horton, Kevin
Howell, Kenneth
Howey, Ralph
Huft, John
Hughes, Robert
Hukill, Chris
Hunter, Robert
Hunt, Malcolm
Hunton, Jim
Hunt, Wallace
Hurd, James
Hurn, JohnAllen
Hurst, Kingsley
Hutchins, Mike
Hyde, Ken
Isler, Jerry
Jacko, Victor W
Jaussi, Curtis
Jensen, Charles
Jensen, Marinus
Jernigan, Carroll
Jessen, John
Johannsson, Johann G
Johansson, Max
John, Kent
Johnsen, Svein
Johnson, David
Johnson, DennisL
Johnson, Forrest
Johnson, Ken
Johnson, Russell
Johnson, William
Johnston, Christopher
Johnston, Dudley
Johnston, Stephen
Jones, David
Jones, Don W
Jones, Eric M
Jones, Kenneth
Joosten, Craig
Jordan, JR
Joyce, David
Jula, TheodoreF
Julian, Raymond
Jung, John
Jurotich, Matthew
Kaluza, Charles
Katra, James
Kaufmann, Robert
Kayner, Dennis
Kearney, John
Keener, Forest
Kelly, Michael
Kemp, Roger
Kenney, Thomas
Kerr, Dennis
Kesterton, Donald
Kilburg, Larry
Killion, Clay
Kimsey, Thomas
King, John
Kinkade, Les
Kinne, Russ
Kinney, Kevin
Kirk, Floyd
Kister, Dale
Klein, Larry
Klingmuller, Lothar
Knievel, Gerald
Knoll, Barrett
Knotts, F Barry
Knott, Vernon
Kohles, Jerry
Koonce, RL
Kramer, Ed
Krueger, Grant
Kruleski, Chet
Kulp, David
Kummer, Gerald
Kuntz, Paul
Kuss, Charles
Kyle, Fergus
Kyle, Larry
Lackwitz, Raymond
Ladd, Pat
Laird, Dave
Lammers, Dave
Lannon, Walter
Lansden, John
Larsen, Gene
Larson, Joseph
Larzilliere, Alain
Lathrop, Jim
Laundy, Mike
Laurie, Kip
Ledbetter, Gene
Lederman, Howard
Ledoux, Paul
Lee, Terrence
Lee, Thomas
Leggette, Edward
Lehman, Ken
Leinberger, Gary
Lekven, Carl
Lendon, Ron
Lenton, Dennis
Lerohl, Gaylen
Levy, Pierre
Lewis, Scott
Lewis, Terry
Lewis, Tim
Ligon, Howard
Lilja, Ken
Lind, David
Lindsay, Robert
Linebaugh, Jeff
Lineberry, Gary
Linse, Mike
Lively, Chad
Lloyd, Brian
Lloyd, Daniel
Loer, Stanley
Logan, Michael
Long, Charles
Long, Eugene
Long, Patrick
Longwell, Anna
Loring, Arthur
Loring Jr, Arthur P
Loubert, Gary
Lovley, Forrest
Lucas, David
Lundin, Richard
Lynch, Charles
Lyscars, Alan
Macdonald, Larry
Macinnes, Bruce
Mackay, Alex
Macon, Mike
Mahurin, Jerry
Mains, Ralph
Malczynski, Francis
Markle, Jim
Marlow, Sam
Marshall, Aaron
Marshall, FR
Martin, Jay
Martin, Mickey
Mason, John
Mason, Marty
Massari, Stephen
Massey, Allen
Masys, Daniel
Matejcek, Glen
Matlack, Dean
Matteson, Lynn
May, George
May, James
Mcallister, Paul
Mcbean, John
Mcbride, Duncan
Mccallister, Don
Mccallum, Robert
Mcchesney, James
Mcconnell, Roger
Mcdaniel, Steve
Mcdonald, Stephen
Mcfarland, Larry
Mcfarlane, Lloyd
Mckeon, Vincent
Mckervey, Joseph
Mckinnon, Greg
Mcmahon, John
Mcnutt, George
Medeiros, Joel
Melenyzer Iv, Cl
Mell, Roger
Merchant, Dean
Merrill, Dj
Messinger, Paul
Meyers, Jess
Meyers, John
Meylor, Dean
Milgrom, Mark
Miller, David
Miller, John
Miller, Michael
Miller, Terrence
Mills, Jack
Mitchell, Paul
Montagne, Ray
Montague, Neita
Montoure, Kenneth
Moore, Dave
Moore, David
Moore, Goff
Moore, Paul
Moore, Tom
Moore, Warren
Moran, Felix
Morawski, Brett
Morehead, Jim
Morley, Hal
MorrisN75up, Dave
Morris, Steven
Morrow, Dan
Mortimore, Terry
Moser, Scott
Mountain, Patrick
Mrotzek, Dan
Mulcahy, Bob
Muldoon Jr, Francis
Muller, Albert
Muller, Mick
Mulwitz, Paul
Munn, Mike
Munro, Robert
Murphy, Walt
Myers, George
Myers, Gerald
Myers, John
Nadeau, Michael
Naumuk, William
Navratil, Mark
Navratil, Richard
Naylor, Doug
Needham, James
Neilsen, Richard
Neitzel, Richard
Nelson, James
Nelson, Larry
Newkirk, Bill
Newsum, James
Nicely, Vince
Nichols, Clem
Niles, Bruce
Nimigon, David
Noyer, Robert
Nuckolls Iii, Robert L
Nutt, James
Obrien, John
Ochs, James
Ockuly, Bernie
Oconnor, Edward
O'Day, Jim
Offill, Danny
O'Hara, Tom
Ohnigian, Steve
Okeefe, Lawrence
Oke, Jim
Oldford, David
Oliver, Bradley
Olsen, Paul
Olson, Bob
Olson, Brad
Olson, Gary
Olson, Tim
Orear, Jeff
Orsborn, Thomas
Overgaard, Allan
Owens, Donald
Packard, Tom
Palamarek, Ted
Pansier, Don
Partyka, LeeM
Paulich, John
Payne, Craig
Pearsall, Don
Peck, Kenneth
Peerenboom, Paul
Pelletier, David
Pellien, James
Peoples, James
Perez, M Domenic
Perkinson, Robert
Perry, Ilan
Perry, Richard
Persels, Lyle
Peterson, Alex
Peterson, David A
Petri, David
Petty, Paul
Pfeifer, Michael
Pfundt, Jan
Phillips, Mark
Phillips, Terrence
Pierce, Roger
Pierce, Tony
Pierson Jr, Edward
Pierzina, Michael
Pike, Richard
Pilling, Kevin
Plecenik, Michael
Pocock, Graham
Point, Jeff
Polits, Richard
Ponzio, John
Porter, Richard
Portouw, Lawrence
Powell, Ken
Prater, Michael
Preston, Doug
Prevost, Guy
Princell, Bill
Pritchard, Jeff
Pritchard, Roger
Puglise, James
Puls, Jeffrey
Quinn, Rollie
Quist, David
Rabbers, Richard
Raby, Ron
Radford, Joe
Rammos, Ricardo
Randolph, George
Ransom, Brad
Rataj, Mark
Ray, Carl
Reel, David
Reese, Craig
Reese, Wayne
Reeves, Dan
Reid, Greg
Reining, Bill
Reining, Jonathan
Reusser, Hans-peter
Reynolds, Richard
Ribb, Dan
Rice, Paul
Richardson, Colin
Richardson, Paul
Richards, Stephen
Rickard, Ian
Rickman, Loy
Ricks, Allen
Rigby, David
Riggs, Lynn
Rigney, Bruce
Risch, Robert
Ritter, Mark T
Roberts, Gary
Roberts, John
Robertson, Bob
Roberts, Rick
Robinette, William
Robson, Peter
Rodebush, James
Rodgers, Paul
Rodriguez, Paul
Rodriguez, Pedro
Roehr, Michael
Ronnau, James
Ross, Christopher
Ross, Jonathan
Rousselle, Kenneth
Rowbotham, Chuck
Rowe, Denny
Rowe, Jay
Rueb, Duane
Ruksnaitis, WilliamF
Russell, Larry
Ryan, Michael
Sa, Carlos
Sagerser, James
Sager, Truman
Saligman, Ira
Sallas, C William
Salter, Phillip
Sanders, Andrew
Sanford, Fred
Sapp, Douglas
Sargeant, Jack
Sargent, Thomas
Savarese, Anthony Dennis
Sax, Sam
Saylor, David
Schemmel, Grant
Schertz, William
Schieber, Cedric
Schieffer, Charles
Schilf, Richard
Schlafly, Fred
Schlatterer, Bill
Schlosser, Kevin
Schmidt, John
Schmitendorf, Bill
Schneider, Benjamin
Schneider, Werner
Schoenberger, Robert
Schott, Jared
Schrader, Kurt
Schreck, Ron
Schrimmer, Mark
Schroeder, Earl
Schroeder, John
Schulke, Thomas
Scott,Jr, Fred W
Scott, Mark
Scroggs, Ross
Seagrave, Scott
Seal, John
Selby,Jr, Jim
Setser, David
Seve, Eddie
Shablow, John
Shafer, James
Shanks, Jim
Shank, William
Shannon, Kevin
Sharp, Michael
Sharp, Ralph
Shaw, Cliff
Shaw, Rex
Shepherd, Dallas
Shepherd, Stanislaus
Sheridan, Roger
Sherry, James
Shiple, Fred
Shipley, RobWM
Shipley, Walt
Shumaker, Jim
Siegfried, Oldbob
Simmons, Kendall
Simpson, Skip
Simutis, Frank J
Sinclair, Michael
Sinke, Jim
Sipp, Richard
Sisson, Phil
Skelly, Brian
Skyring, Kerry
Slatt, Gary
Small, Thomas
Smart, Steven
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Smith, DannyL
Smith, Gene
Smith, Jeff
Smith, Kirk
Smith, Roland
Smith, Ronal
Smith, Zed
Snedaker, Bob
Snyder, Bruce
Soikkeli, Robert
Solecki, John
Sparks, Timothy
Spaur, Chuck
Specht, Stan
Spencer, Scott
Springer, Gerald
Spudis, Robert
Staal, Stephen
Staley, Dick
Starnes, Robert
Starn, JH "kabong"
Stefan, Leon
Steitle, Mark
Stelwagon, Frank
Stephanak, Bob
Stevenson, Will
Stewart, Michael
Stinemetze, Thomas
St-laurent, Ray
Stone, Christopher
Stone, Jim
Strange, Ted
Stribling, James
Strong, Gary
Sutterfield, Stan
Swaney, Mark
Swankie, Ian
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Szantho, John B
Tarmar, Brian
Tasker, Richard
Tatro, John
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Thomas, James
Thomas, Lee
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Thomason, Michael
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Timoney, James
Tinker, R Rupert
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Tomm, Bevan
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Toro, Jose
Tower, John
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Trost, Sebastian
Trotter, Paul
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Tupper, Kirby
Turrell, Mike
Turrentine, Donna
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Tyler, George
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Unternaehrer, Rolf
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Von Doymi, Carl
VonRuden, Dennis
Voss, Richard
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Waligroski, Gregg
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Walker, Tommy
Walker, Valerie
Walker, Weston
Walmsley, Brett
Walrath, Howard
Walsh, Denis
Wambolt, Charles
Ward, Ann
Washburn, Oliver
Watson, Terrence
Weaver, Fred
Webb, Randol
Wehner, Clem
Weiler, Douglas C
Weinstock, Steven
Weisfeld, Hans-peter
Weiss, Richard
Welsch, Philip
Welsh, Don
Werner, Russell
Wetzel, Bob
Whelan, Thomas
White, Bob
White, Charles
Whiteley, Kenneth
White, Phil
Whittfield, Clive
Whittington, Dewitt
Wigney, John
Wilde, Daniel
Williamson, Richard
Williamson, William
Williams, Terry
Willis, Tim
Wilson, James
Wilson, Kelly
Winburn, Larry
Winings, James
Wither, Louis
Woboril, David
Wood, Larry
Woods, Donald
Wsiaki, Michael
Wynn, Michael
Yeamans, David
York, Richard
Young, Al
Young, Dan
Young, Dee
Young, Greg
Zakreski, Steve
Zecherle, John
Zelinski, Alan
Zilz, Dave
Zirges, Malcolm
Zollinger, Duane
Zuniga, Oscar
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Front Top Skin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R <rick@n701rr.com>
Thanks all! Great ideas!
Do not archive
Jon Croke <jon@joncroke.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke"
You will find a lot of cardboard skins on my 701 as I attempted the first
try with the aluminum, and then used it as a pattern with cardboard to
improve the fit. The cardboard came out much better and that's what I went
with!
Jon
N701US 90%
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower"
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Front Top Skin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower
>
> Make a fake one of cardboard first, to get it fit, then use as a patern
> to cut the "good" one.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
>
> Rick R wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R
>
> Guys and Gals,
>
> I'm about to fit the Front Top Skin but the cutout for the Cabin Frame
> Front Tubes is causing me some grief. Am I over thinking this? Either I
> over-looked it or the plans aren't much help. I can see the same thing
> coming up for the Top Cover Plate although the plans depict it pretty
> well.
>
> Not much in the archives...
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Rick
> Orlando, FL. USA
> http://www.n701rr.com
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.
>
>
>
Rick
Orlando, FL. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Same one and only address. bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Blocked message
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Are you using your normal e-mail address or another one? The BBS software
> only accepts mail from the address you registered with.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
> Unternaehrer
> To: Zenith List
> Subject: Zenith-List: Blocked message
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> --> <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
> Recieved a message saying my attempts to post are blocked as SPAM.. any
> reason why
>
> Blue Skies
> Bob Unternaehrer
> shilocom@mcmsys.com
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 12/04/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Craig Google is you friend...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=N609WA
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=609WA
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> I'm at a small airfield (3SQ) outside of St. Louis finishing (God willing)
> my Sport Pilot License. There is a handbill posted for a 601XL for sale. I
> know almost nothing about the plane and nothing about the owner. Here are
> the key facts:
>
> N609WA
>
> 601XL finished in 2002. 114 hours on the plane and Rotax 912S engine. Zero
> hours on the prop. Annual: Dec 2004.
>
> Instruments and avionics:
>
> Microair M760 transceiver
> EFIS-D10A electric attitude indicator (Dynon I guess)
> T2000SFL transponder w/AK encoder
> Garmin 196 GPS w/mount
> DG02E-3 electric directional gyro
>
> Options:
> Strobes
>
> Exterior and interior: blue and white, like new.
>
> "This airplane was built new in 2002 and was recently involved in a taxi
> incident which prompted the owner to put the plane up for sale"
>
> Sale price $57,900
> Call Dennis Bampton
> 1-800-447-6066
>
> Craig again: I asked around the airport for the story on this plane and
> was
> told that it had been taxied into a ditch twice. That's why the prop has
> zero hours on it. I think Dennis is an owner of St. Charles Flying Service
> (the FBO at the field - www.stcharlesflyingsvs.com) and *not* the owner of
> the plane. The 800 number is for the FBO. That's it, that's all I know.
> I've
> never seen the plane and don't know the owner. Call Dennis for more
> information. All I can say in closing is that everyone I have meet at St.
> Charles Flying Service is friendly and helpful.
>
> -- Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
mmm... Did you make your contribution to the list this year?
:o)
Seriously, you might want to contact Matt and see if he has any suggestions.
Cheers
Carlos
do not archive
Bob Unternaehrer <shilocom@mcmsys.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by:
"Bob Unternaehrer"
Same one and only address. bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne"
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Blocked message
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>
> Are you using your normal e-mail address or another one? The BBS software
> only accepts mail from the address you registered with.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
> Unternaehrer
> To: Zenith List
> Subject: Zenith-List: Blocked message
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> -->
>
> Recieved a message saying my attempts to post are blocked as SPAM.. any
> reason why
>
> Blue Skies
> Bob Unternaehrer
> shilocom@mcmsys.com
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev <vjvus@yahoo.com>
Craig, I also ran battery cable on right side of
fueslage. I'm using #2 welding cable as advised by Sky
Tec starter people.
I had assumed I could use planes aluminum as ground so
I only ran one + wire.
--- Craig Spainhower <n601xs@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Spainhower
> <n601xs@comcast.net>
>
> Victor,
> I'm waiting to get my fuse back from
> painting, then I'll be mounting the engine and
> completing the wiring as well. Someone previously
> suggested a firewall bulkhead feedthrough
> (http://store.summitracing.com/)for power, I think
> that's the way to go. I'll be running four gauge
> battery cables + & - along the right upper longeron
> to the firewall. Then through the firewall with a
> bulkhead feedthru for power (to the
> starter/solenoid)and using a non-insulated bolt for
> the ground feedthru (with a length of cable to the
> engine). I will run cable on the passenger side of
> the feedthru to the power buss. I will probably
> mount a ground buss at the ground bolt for the
> panel. Grounding anywhere on an aluminum plane isn't
> a problem, except that the potential for corrosion
> exists due to electrolysis. All exterior lighting
> and fuel pumps will be grounded to the frame. I will
> send some photo's when I get the cables run. How did
> you route your battery cable(s)?
>
> Craig S.
> N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235 airframe complete,
> wiring/FWF this winter
>
>
> I've started wiring, so far have battery cable run
> to
> rear fuselage area. Using Sky Tec starter with built
> in solenoid.
> Where is best place to feed Panel, since Sky Tec
> shows
> cable from battery going directly to starter? Any
> advice on how to wire using 0235 Lyc. would be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3/4x3/4 extruded angle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> I used .125 extruded for my 701. There isn't much
weight diff.
--- jnbolding1 <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1"
> <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
>
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:30:05 -0600
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker"
> <twalker@cableone.net>
> >
> >I'm looking for some extruded angle. Zenith drwgs
> describe it as 3/4x3/4x
> >.093"
> >
> >I can't get the .093" to compute. Is there a
> decimal or fractional
> >equivelent? I found 1/8th but nothing that is
> close to that number.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Tommy Walker in Alabama
> >Do Not Archive
>
>
> Tommy this comes up every couple months and is in
> the archives at length but the short version is that
> the 093 is a custom extrusion for Zenith,1/8" is
> approved by them as a substitute, additional weight
> is about 4# and Chris says no strength is gained by
> using the thicker material(weak link somewhere else
> I guess). LOW&SLOW John
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
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>
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| Subject: | corvair motor mount |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
I'm looking for some dimensions off a WW corvair motor mount for the 601. If you
leave a phone on direct email below I'll call in the evening to discuss this.
Can also mail print for reference first.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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| Subject: | Re: Blocked message |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Bob,
It looks like your incoming post was blocked by the spam filter because your IP address was listed on www.spamhaus.org as a potential spam source. When you logged off and back on, you got a different IP address and then everything was fine. I've added a "never block" for your email address on the spam filter just in case.
Sorry for the hassle.
Matt Dralle
At 04:16 AM 12/5/2005 Monday, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
>Same one and only address. bob U.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Blocked message
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>
>> Are you using your normal e-mail address or another one? The BBS software
>> only accepts mail from the address you registered with.
>>
>> -- Craig
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
>> Unternaehrer
>> To: Zenith List
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Blocked message
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
>> --> <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>>
>> Recieved a message saying my attempts to post are blocked as SPAM.. any
>> reason why
>>
>> Blue Skies
>> Bob Unternaehrer
>> shilocom@mcmsys.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | antenna question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
hi list
i am starting to finish up my aviornics plan and have
a question on antenna's
i need comm and transponder antenna's. i won't be
using a panel mounted vor receiver, but the handheld
function of my comm/nav backup radio. is it
worthwhile to have a vor antenna to connect to the
handheld?
also, the price for the comm and transponder seems to
be very wide spread. are the simple (cheaper) models
ok, or is it worth paying extra for what appear to be
only cosmeticly better models?
I don't want to be foolish and try and save a few
bucks if there is a real difference in the higher
priced models.
john butterfield
601XL/Corvair
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "tinerj@tinerj.com" <tinerj@tinerj.com>
I have my email blocked, too, when I try to send it out (but receive ok)
because someone else on my server does send out spam.
This service is available anywhere for free and I use it to read my mail
when flying to other destinations. The FBO must have a computer that can
get to the internet. Nothing is downloaded on the local machine except web
pages (in other words, you email is read, a web page is built, and then you
view the web page -- or at least I think that is how it works.) When not on
your own machine, use the secure login. The emails are not deleted unless
you choose that option.
Working on 601 fuselage.
John Hudson Tiner
tinerj@tinerj.com
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| Subject: | Re: Trim indicator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards" <stephen@crichards.flyer.co.uk>
Hi Chuck The red black wires to the LED indicator are the 12 V supply and a
potentiometer in the servo is connected across the orange blue wires with
the wiper connected to the green wire.
hope this helps but suspect part of LED array has failed
Clive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Trim indicator
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
>
> I have a MAC electric trim (from ZAC). The LED indicator used to work OK,
now as you change the trim some of the LED's don't come on, they are blank
and then the next one will come on. The ones that don't work are always the
same, about 4 out of 10. It looks like there are 3 signal wires and 2 power
wires to the indicator. Does anyone know how the signals work, are they a
voltage level or what?
> Thanks,
> C. Deiterich
>
>
> --
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: corvair motor mount |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
I have my WW mount on the firewall, so it's easy to measure including
relationship to firewall.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
To: "Zenith List" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:07 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: corvair motor mount
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@mcmsys.com>
>
> I'm looking for some dimensions off a WW corvair motor mount for the
601. If you leave a phone on direct email below I'll call in the evening to
discuss this. Can also mail print for reference first.
>
> Blue Skies
> Bob Unternaehrer
> shilocom@mcmsys.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair mount & parts for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fortunato <rsq2424@yahoo.com>
Hi John,
Somebody bought everything before I got your email (I went in order of emails
received, and wow! -- I received lots of them!). If for some reason this person
doesn't follow through on the purchase, I'll let you know. Thanks,
Mike Fortunato
jnbolding1 <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1"
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Mike Fortunato
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fortunato
>
>Now that I made the change from a Corvair to a Jabiru for my 601XL, I have a few
parts to sell. Everything has never been used, and I still have the original
boxes for the ignition parts:
>
> Corvair Motor Mount (made by William Wynn) $400.00
> MSD Coil Switch $25
> (2) Bosch "Blue" coils (as recommended in WW's manual) $40 (both)
> WW Manual $25 (I believe it's the 2002 version, but not sure. Selling the original
-- NOT a copy)
>
> Prices above do not include shipping costs from Southern California. The mount
alone at WW's site is $639, so this is a pretty good deal if you're planning
on installing a Vair. Contact me off list if interested, and I do have pictures
of everything. Also, I'm not a member of the Corvair email list anymore, so
if someone could forward this post over there, that would be much appreciated.
First come, first served!
>
> Mike Fortunato
> 601XL
I'll take the switch John Bolding
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 12/04/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Actually Google is my illegitimate half-sister. ;-)
I didn't investigate the tail number because I already own a 601XL. Or
should I say I own the pieces of an 80% complete XL an a 100% complete
Corvair engine ala William Wynne. But if anyone is interested in N609WA
your links should be useful.
Thanks, Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 12/04/05
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Craig Google is you friend...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=N609WA
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=609WA
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
> --> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> I'm at a small airfield (3SQ) outside of St. Louis finishing (God
> willing) my Sport Pilot License. There is a handbill posted for a
> 601XL for sale. I know almost nothing about the plane and nothing
> about the owner. Here are the key facts:
>
> N609WA
>
> 601XL finished in 2002. 114 hours on the plane and Rotax 912S engine.
> Zero hours on the prop. Annual: Dec 2004.
>
> Instruments and avionics:
>
> Microair M760 transceiver
> EFIS-D10A electric attitude indicator (Dynon I guess) T2000SFL
> transponder w/AK encoder Garmin 196 GPS w/mount
> DG02E-3 electric directional gyro
>
> Options:
> Strobes
>
> Exterior and interior: blue and white, like new.
>
> "This airplane was built new in 2002 and was recently involved in a
> taxi incident which prompted the owner to put the plane up for sale"
>
> Sale price $57,900
> Call Dennis Bampton
> 1-800-447-6066
>
> Craig again: I asked around the airport for the story on this plane
> and was told that it had been taxied into a ditch twice. That's why
> the prop has zero hours on it. I think Dennis is an owner of St.
> Charles Flying Service (the FBO at the field -
> www.stcharlesflyingsvs.com) and *not* the owner of the plane. The 800
> number is for the FBO. That's it, that's all I know.
> I've
> never seen the plane and don't know the owner. Call Dennis for more
> information. All I can say in closing is that everyone I have meet at St.
> Charles Flying Service is friendly and helpful.
>
> -- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Ignoring the magnetic fields that I was worrying about too much I think you
are fine. Someone commented that aluminum alloys are not as conductive as
pure aluminum which, in turn, is not as conductive as copper. But there is a
whole lot of aluminum alloy between your battery and the engine. Imagine
taking a cross-section of your fuselage and winding it into a solid
cylinder. I think that cylinder would be much bigger than any aluminum or
copper wire you could run. Just make sure you have a central grounding point
through the firewall and a good solid and flexible grounding strap running
from the engine block to that point. Like the Braided Bonding Strap and
Firewall Ground Kit shown on this web page:
http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?26X358218
I'm probably wrong and either way someone will chime in to correct me.
P.S. the Moroso Thru-Panel Battery Connector mentioned in a previous message
has a Summit Racing part number of MOR-74145. This link should lead to the
description:
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74145&N
=115&autoview=sku
Clearly since it is insulated you would use this pass-through for the
positive lead from the battery.
Moroso recommends you use these mean-looking lugs with their pass-through
(Summit P/N MOR-74170):
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74170&N
=115&autoview=sku
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of victor verdev
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235
LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev <vjvus@yahoo.com>
Craig, I also ran battery cable on right side of fueslage. I'm using #2
welding cable as advised by Sky Tec starter people.
I had assumed I could use planes aluminum as ground so I only ran one +
wire.
--- Craig Spainhower <n601xs@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Spainhower
> <n601xs@comcast.net>
>
> Victor,
> I'm waiting to get my fuse back from painting, then I'll be
> mounting the engine and completing the wiring as well. Someone
> previously suggested a firewall bulkhead feedthrough
> (http://store.summitracing.com/)for power, I think that's the way to
> go. I'll be running four gauge battery cables + & - along the right
> upper longeron to the firewall. Then through the firewall with a
> bulkhead feedthru for power (to the starter/solenoid)and using a
> non-insulated bolt for the ground feedthru (with a length of cable to
> the engine). I will run cable on the passenger side of the feedthru to
> the power buss. I will probably mount a ground buss at the ground bolt
> for the panel. Grounding anywhere on an aluminum plane isn't a
> problem, except that the potential for corrosion exists due to
> electrolysis. All exterior lighting and fuel pumps will be grounded to
> the frame. I will send some photo's when I get the cables run. How did
> you route your battery cable(s)?
>
> Craig S.
> N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235 airframe complete, wiring/FWF this winter
>
>
> I've started wiring, so far have battery cable run to rear fuselage
> area. Using Sky Tec starter with built in solenoid.
> Where is best place to feed Panel, since Sky Tec shows cable from
> battery going directly to starter? Any advice on how to wire using
> 0235 Lyc. would be appreciated.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Dempsey <leinad@direcway.com>
I'm a computer programmer for Northrop Grumman. I've worked on one of our
products "Navistar" that is GPS based compass for ships. Not too
ironically, it has a magnetic backup compass built in. The point is this.
Any compass based on GPS needs a backup. Why? Because the GPS belongs to
DOD, and they can and do turn it off for large areas when they want to. As
a pilot I recall preparing for a flight about 2 years ago, and found there
was NOTAM in effect that said GPS would not be available for 200 mile radius
centered around Boston for an 8 hour period.
Just another angle to an interesting thread of conversation.
Dan Dempsey (central VA)
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From: "Frank Stutzman" <stutzman@stutzman.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman <stutzman@stutzman.com>
>
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
>> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>>
>> I have been away from flying for a decade or two, but it seems to me
>> that the whiskey compass is all but obsolete these days. With the
>> popularity of GPS, it seems to me the only remaining use for magnetic
>> bearings is to find the proper runway number and to adjust for the
>> offset in VOR radials.
>
> One might argue the the magnetic compass is obsolete (I don't) but you
> certainly are not going to get any plane legally flying without it.
> See FAR 91.205
>
> Frank Stutzman
> Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
> Hood River, OR
>
>
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0235 LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> 0235
LYC
Actually, the fuselage is a better conductor than the solid cylinder
you described. This is because of a phenomenon called "Skin
effect". This effect describes the physical truth that higher
frequency current will not flow in the center of a conductor but will
flow more in the outer regions of the conductor.
For low frequency ground current like the starter motor makes there
is probably no difference between a solid conductor and a hollow
one. However, for radio frequency signals the aircraft skin works
better than a solid conductor with the same cross section and metal alloy.
Still, I might opt for a large ground conductor from the battery to
the central ground point when the battery is a long distance from
that point. My reason for this involves the movement of the battery
to adjust CG without making changes in the dynamic current flow
characteristics of the electrical system. I also feel there might be
a small advantage in the amount of "Noise" experienced in the radios
induced by other electrical components of the airplane. (In short, I
don't want radio performance to change when the battery is moved. I
also don't want larger ground current spikes introduced by strobe
lights and similar pulsed equipment to find its way into the DC power
supply for the radio equipment.)
Paul
XL wings (recovering electronic circuit designer)
>there is a
>whole lot of aluminum alloy between your battery and the engine. Imagine
>taking a cross-section of your fuselage and winding it into a solid
>cylinder. I think that cylinder would be much bigger than any aluminum or
>copper wire you could run.
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Craig, everything has been said about grounds or there a'bouts. Only thing I
can add it that the airframe may not be the correct ground for your comms. I
have a separate intercom with the jacks located just behind the lip of the
baggage compartment. Great place for them by the way, assessable in flight (just
barely) and cables out of the way of arms and controls. Only problem was the
system just would not function correctly. Had transceiver, intercom, wires and
headsets tested, all good. Even the jacks in center plug grounds tested good,
but it would not work. Then a smart fellow had me run a separate ground wire
from my ground bus bar to the jacks and BINGO the damned thing worked perfectly
correct. So there are grounds and there are grounds. Best of Luck, Bill
N505WP
601XL-3300w/DC
44 hours
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
You really don't want large amounts of current flowing thru the aluminum
fuselage, since at every joint you will get electrolysis, eating into the
alum. If you have differing metals, like the firewall, even worse. Take
that #4 ground wire all the way to the engine and then to your common ground
point.
Good Flying
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
All true. I've seen many recommendations that the speaker and mic jacks be
mounted on insulated fiber washers and not use the frame ground at all.
That's what came with my intercom (PS Engineering PM3000) and that's how I'm
installing them.
Did you have no sound to the earphones and no sound from the mic or did you
have both but with noise? I can understand if you had noise but it is odd if
nothing got through. Could it be the anti-corrosion paint or the anodizing?
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235
LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Craig, everything has been said about grounds or there a'bouts. Only thing I
can add it that the airframe may not be the correct ground for your comms. I
have a separate intercom with the jacks located just behind the lip of the
baggage compartment. Great place for them by the way, assessable in flight
(just
barely) and cables out of the way of arms and controls. Only problem was the
system just would not function correctly. Had transceiver, intercom, wires
and headsets tested, all good. Even the jacks in center plug grounds tested
good, but it would not work. Then a smart fellow had me run a separate
ground wire from my ground bus bar to the jacks and BINGO the damned thing
worked perfectly correct. So there are grounds and there are grounds. Best
of Luck, Bill N505WP 601XL-3300w/DC
44 hours
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| Subject: | Re: antenna question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
VOR signals are horizontally polarized, you need a horizontally mounted
antenna for best reception of these signals. A vertical Com antenna may pick
up nearby stations well enough but not more distant ones, I wouldn't want to
rely on it as a sole means of navigation. Then again, I don't think I would
spend a couple hundred dollars on a VOR antenna for occasional use with a
hand-held radio either. I made my own VOR antenna for about $15 in parts. A
description is posted in the archives.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>
> hi list
> i am starting to finish up my aviornics plan and have
> a question on antenna's
> i need comm and transponder antenna's. i won't be
> using a panel mounted vor receiver, but the handheld
> function of my comm/nav backup radio. is it
> worthwhile to have a vor antenna to connect to the
> handheld?
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0235 LYC
| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL |
0235 LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
It is generally recommended that all audio circuits have dedicated ground
return conductor and all audio circuits should use shielded wire. The shield
on audio circuit wires should not carry any of the audio signal, it is only
there to keep noise from entering the wires. The shields on audio cables
should be grounded on one end only and all audio shields should be grounded
at a common point, usually at the audio panel or intercom. This is very
different from how RF cables must be connected (shield grounded on both ends
and forming part of the RF circuit).
on 12/5/05 8:19 PM, Craig Payne at craig@craigandjean.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> All true. I've seen many recommendations that the speaker and mic jacks be
> mounted on insulated fiber washers and not use the frame ground at all.
> That's what came with my intercom (PS Engineering PM3000) and that's how I'm
> installing them.
>
> Did you have no sound to the earphones and no sound from the mic or did you
> have both but with noise? I can understand if you had noise but it is odd if
> nothing got through. Could it be the anti-corrosion paint or the anodizing?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
How did GPS go down for such a small area? Its based on a constellation of
whatever satellites are "visible" (out of the 20-dd that are in orbit) at a
time.
Did you know that there is a Russian GPS system and that there are GPS
receivers that can use both? So much for selective availability (the
artificial error that the DOD can turn on for civilian receivers).
What is really funny is that you have the DOD inserting artificial errors
while the FAA and DOT transmit WAAS to improve the accuracy. I wonder if the
DOD can turn off the WAAS system?
http://www.garmin.com/aboutGPS/waas.html
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Dempsey
Subject: Zenith-List: GPS / Compass
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Dempsey <leinad@direcway.com>
I'm a computer programmer for Northrop Grumman. I've worked on one of our
products "Navistar" that is GPS based compass for ships. Not too
ironically, it has a magnetic backup compass built in. The point is this.
Any compass based on GPS needs a backup. Why? Because the GPS belongs to
DOD, and they can and do turn it off for large areas when they want to. As
a pilot I recall preparing for a flight about 2 years ago, and found there
was NOTAM in effect that said GPS would not be available for 200 mile radius
centered around Boston for an 8 hour period.
Just another angle to an interesting thread of conversation.
Dan Dempsey (central VA)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Stutzman" <stutzman@stutzman.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman <stutzman@stutzman.com>
>
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
>> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>>
>> I have been away from flying for a decade or two, but it seems to me
>> that the whiskey compass is all but obsolete these days. With the
>> popularity of GPS, it seems to me the only remaining use for magnetic
>> bearings is to find the proper runway number and to adjust for the
>> offset in VOR radials.
>
> One might argue the the magnetic compass is obsolete (I don't) but you
> certainly are not going to get any plane legally flying without it.
> See FAR 91.205
>
> Frank Stutzman
> Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
> Hood River, OR
>
>
>
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0235 LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Man have we gotten off-topic :-)
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Martin
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235
LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin
--> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
It is generally recommended that all audio circuits have dedicated ground
return conductor and all audio circuits should use shielded wire. The shield
on audio circuit wires should not carry any of the audio signal, it is only
there to keep noise from entering the wires. The shields on audio cables
should be grounded on one end only and all audio shields should be grounded
at a common point, usually at the audio panel or intercom. This is very
different from how RF cables must be connected (shield grounded on both ends
and forming part of the RF circuit).
on 12/5/05 8:19 PM, Craig Payne at craig@craigandjean.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
> --> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> All true. I've seen many recommendations that the speaker and mic
> jacks be mounted on insulated fiber washers and not use the frame ground
at all.
> That's what came with my intercom (PS Engineering PM3000) and that's
> how I'm installing them.
>
> Did you have no sound to the earphones and no sound from the mic or
> did you have both but with noise? I can understand if you had noise
> but it is odd if nothing got through. Could it be the anti-corrosion paint
or the anodizing?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
>
>
>> I used .125 extruded for my 701. There isn't much
>weight diff.
I guess 4# has different levels of meaning to different people, if the price difference
had been $50 a pound saved instead of the $100 a pound the 093 was going
to cost I would have gone for the .092 for my 701. So I guess my limit is
somewhere between $50 and $100 per pound. I'm gonna try to make it up with a
Titanium firewall and firewall stiffners. The corrosion potential between the
titanium and alum side skin has only been partially worked but am fully aware
of it. LOW&SLOW John
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| Subject: | Re: GPS / Compass |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
GPS signals can be jammed. The military occasionally uses their jamming
equipment during training exercises, this might explain how the system could
be down over such a small area. Also, as I understand it, "selective
availability" is no longer used by the DOD. That was ended a couple of years
ago.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> How did GPS go down for such a small area? Its based on a constellation of
> whatever satellites are "visible" (out of the 20-dd that are in orbit) at a
> time.
>
> Did you know that there is a Russian GPS system and that there are GPS
> receivers that can use both? So much for selective availability (the
> artificial error that the DOD can turn on for civilian receivers).
>
> What is really funny is that you have the DOD inserting artificial errors
> while the FAA and DOT transmit WAAS to improve the accuracy. I wonder if the
> DOD can turn off the WAAS system?
>
> http://www.garmin.com/aboutGPS/waas.html
>
> -- Craig
>
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0235 LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> 0235
LYC
Seems on topic to me. This is all part of the soup needed to cook up a plane.
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
At 06:21 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>Man have we gotten off-topic :-)
>
>-- Craig
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries <vair601@yahoo.com>
Craig,
There is only one major issue I have with that idea. If you use the fuselage
as a ground plane, at some point you have to connect the negative terminal of
the battery to the fuse as well. Here in lies the problem, the amperage draw
on a starter can be upwards of 100 amps in rush and easily 20-30 amp continous.
Now marry this with the fact that you have 1 sq. inch or less of terminal
area attached from the negative lead to the fuselage. Thats a lot of juice on
thin aluminum.
Bond the motor to the fuse and negative lead, run a negative lead to the battery.
Piper does it this way for this very reason. Let's be safe.
Bill Jeffries, A&P
Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
Ignoring the magnetic fields that I was worrying about too much I think you
are fine. Someone commented that aluminum alloys are not as conductive as
pure aluminum which, in turn, is not as conductive as copper. But there is a
whole lot of aluminum alloy between your battery and the engine. Imagine
taking a cross-section of your fuselage and winding it into a solid
cylinder. I think that cylinder would be much bigger than any aluminum or
copper wire you could run. Just make sure you have a central grounding point
through the firewall and a good solid and flexible grounding strap running
from the engine block to that point. Like the Braided Bonding Strap and
Firewall Ground Kit shown on this web page:
http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?26X358218
I'm probably wrong and either way someone will chime in to correct me.
P.S. the Moroso Thru-Panel Battery Connector mentioned in a previous message
has a Summit Racing part number of MOR-74145. This link should lead to the
description:
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74145&N
=115&autoview=sku
Clearly since it is insulated you would use this pass-through for the
positive lead from the battery.
Moroso recommends you use these mean-looking lugs with their pass-through
(Summit P/N MOR-74170):
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74170&N
=115&autoview=sku
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of victor verdev
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235
LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev
Craig, I also ran battery cable on right side of fueslage. I'm using #2
welding cable as advised by Sky Tec starter people.
I had assumed I could use planes aluminum as ground so I only ran one +
wire.
--- Craig Spainhower wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Spainhower
>
>
> Victor,
> I'm waiting to get my fuse back from painting, then I'll be
> mounting the engine and completing the wiring as well. Someone
> previously suggested a firewall bulkhead feedthrough
> (http://store.summitracing.com/)for power, I think that's the way to
> go. I'll be running four gauge battery cables + & - along the right
> upper longeron to the firewall. Then through the firewall with a
> bulkhead feedthru for power (to the starter/solenoid)and using a
> non-insulated bolt for the ground feedthru (with a length of cable to
> the engine). I will run cable on the passenger side of the feedthru to
> the power buss. I will probably mount a ground buss at the ground bolt
> for the panel. Grounding anywhere on an aluminum plane isn't a
> problem, except that the potential for corrosion exists due to
> electrolysis. All exterior lighting and fuel pumps will be grounded to
> the frame. I will send some photo's when I get the cables run. How did
> you route your battery cable(s)?
>
> Craig S.
> N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235 airframe complete, wiring/FWF this winter
>
>
> I've started wiring, so far have battery cable run to rear fuselage
> area. Using Sky Tec starter with built in solenoid.
> Where is best place to feed Panel, since Sky Tec shows cable from
> battery going directly to starter? Any advice on how to wire using
> 0235 Lyc. would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
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> _->
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>
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | GPS / Compass & Jamming or Interference |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
GPS systems in our aircraft are receivers that can be jammed or interfered
with. Jamming is, in effect, intentional interference.
I have some background on military GPS jamming. I know that there is a
jamming test site in the Rome, NY area, and there may be one in the Boston
area as there are a plethora of defense contractors in that area. What's
probably happening with that NOTAM you mentioned is that a GPS jamming test
is being conducted. All GPS receivers within line of sight of the jammer
will probably be jammed, even for some miles over the horizon. A 200 mile
radius would not be unusual. It takes very little jamming power to jam a
commercial GPS receiver because the GPS reference signals from
geosynchronous satellites have a very low power level by the time they reach
the receivers in our cars and airplanes which are thousands of miles from
the satellites.
The government would not take down the GPS signals except in a dire national
emergency. Such an action would cause a tremendous amount of risk and
liability and economic disruption. The only conceivable reason why they
might do this in my mind is if there were indications of a global
intercontinental ballistic missile attack underway because some of the
ICBM's might have GPS terminal guidance modes. The chance for such an event
in my mind in today's world is very very low.
Interference is probably my bigger concern for GPS. Because the received
signal from a GPS satellite is so small, onboard emissions could cause the
GPS to malfunction. Make sure you test out your GPS carefully whenever you
install new avionics before departing on a cross country where you will be
relying on your GPS for navigation.
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: GPS / Compass
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
How did GPS go down for such a small area? Its based on a constellation of
whatever satellites are "visible" (out of the 20-dd that are in orbit) at a
time.
Did you know that there is a Russian GPS system and that there are GPS
receivers that can use both? So much for selective availability (the
artificial error that the DOD can turn on for civilian receivers).
What is really funny is that you have the DOD inserting artificial errors
while the FAA and DOT transmit WAAS to improve the accuracy. I wonder if the
DOD can turn off the WAAS system?
http://www.garmin.com/aboutGPS/waas.html
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Dempsey
Subject: Zenith-List: GPS / Compass
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Dempsey <leinad@direcway.com>
I'm a computer programmer for Northrop Grumman. I've worked on one of our
products "Navistar" that is GPS based compass for ships. Not too
ironically, it has a magnetic backup compass built in. The point is this.
Any compass based on GPS needs a backup. Why? Because the GPS belongs to
DOD, and they can and do turn it off for large areas when they want to. As
a pilot I recall preparing for a flight about 2 years ago, and found there
was NOTAM in effect that said GPS would not be available for 200 mile radius
centered around Boston for an 8 hour period.
Just another angle to an interesting thread of conversation.
Dan Dempsey (central VA)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Stutzman" <stutzman@stutzman.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman <stutzman@stutzman.com>
>
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
>> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>>
>> I have been away from flying for a decade or two, but it seems to me
>> that the whiskey compass is all but obsolete these days. With the
>> popularity of GPS, it seems to me the only remaining use for magnetic
>> bearings is to find the proper runway number and to adjust for the
>> offset in VOR radials.
>
> One might argue the the magnetic compass is obsolete (I don't) but you
> certainly are not going to get any plane legally flying without it.
> See FAR 91.205
>
> Frank Stutzman
> Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
> Hood River, OR
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
True, good point. A large and thick enough doubler could get around that
problem. But I have yet to hear a good reason *not* to run a true ground
lead. If weight becomes an issue there is always this:
http://periheliondesign.com/fatwires.htm
I haven't even got to the point of needing to place my battery for weight
and balance. When I do I hope I remember all this.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Jeffries
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235
LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries <vair601@yahoo.com>
Craig,
There is only one major issue I have with that idea. If you use the
fuselage as a ground plane, at some point you have to connect the negative
terminal of the battery to the fuse as well. Here in lies the problem, the
amperage draw on a starter can be upwards of 100 amps in rush and easily
20-30 amp continous. Now marry this with the fact that you have 1 sq. inch
or less of terminal area attached from the negative lead to the fuselage.
Thats a lot of juice on thin aluminum.
Bond the motor to the fuse and negative lead, run a negative lead to the
battery. Piper does it this way for this very reason. Let's be safe.
Bill Jeffries, A&P
Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
Ignoring the magnetic fields that I was worrying about too much I think you
are fine. Someone commented that aluminum alloys are not as conductive as
pure aluminum which, in turn, is not as conductive as copper. But there is a
whole lot of aluminum alloy between your battery and the engine. Imagine
taking a cross-section of your fuselage and winding it into a solid
cylinder. I think that cylinder would be much bigger than any aluminum or
copper wire you could run. Just make sure you have a central grounding point
through the firewall and a good solid and flexible grounding strap running
from the engine block to that point. Like the Braided Bonding Strap and
Firewall Ground Kit shown on this web page:
http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?26X358218
I'm probably wrong and either way someone will chime in to correct me.
P.S. the Moroso Thru-Panel Battery Connector mentioned in a previous message
has a Summit Racing part number of MOR-74145. This link should lead to the
description:
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74145&N
=115&autoview=sku
Clearly since it is insulated you would use this pass-through for the
positive lead from the battery.
Moroso recommends you use these mean-looking lugs with their pass-through
(Summit P/N MOR-74170):
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74170&N
=115&autoview=sku
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of victor verdev
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235
LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev
Craig, I also ran battery cable on right side of fueslage. I'm using #2
welding cable as advised by Sky Tec starter people.
I had assumed I could use planes aluminum as ground so I only ran one +
wire.
--- Craig Spainhower wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Spainhower
>
>
> Victor,
> I'm waiting to get my fuse back from painting, then I'll be mounting
> the engine and completing the wiring as well. Someone previously
> suggested a firewall bulkhead feedthrough
> (http://store.summitracing.com/)for power, I think that's the way to
> go. I'll be running four gauge battery cables + & - along the right
> upper longeron to the firewall. Then through the firewall with a
> bulkhead feedthru for power (to the starter/solenoid)and using a
> non-insulated bolt for the ground feedthru (with a length of cable to
> the engine). I will run cable on the passenger side of the feedthru to
> the power buss. I will probably mount a ground buss at the ground bolt
> for the panel. Grounding anywhere on an aluminum plane isn't a
> problem, except that the potential for corrosion exists due to
> electrolysis. All exterior lighting and fuel pumps will be grounded to
> the frame. I will send some photo's when I get the cables run. How did
> you route your battery cable(s)?
>
> Craig S.
> N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235 airframe complete, wiring/FWF this winter
>
>
> I've started wiring, so far have battery cable run to rear fuselage
> area. Using Sky Tec starter with built in solenoid.
> Where is best place to feed Panel, since Sky Tec shows cable from
> battery going directly to starter? Any advice on how to wire using
> 0235 Lyc. would be appreciated.
>
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