---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/05/05: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:20 AM - 2005 List of Contributors - Thank You... (Matt Dralle) 2. 03:19 AM - Re: 701 Front Top Skin (Rick R) 3. 04:20 AM - Re: Blocked message (Bob Unternaehrer) 4. 06:11 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 12/04/05 (Gig Giacona) 5. 06:35 AM - Re: Blocked message (Carlos Sa) 6. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (victor verdev) 7. 08:27 AM - Re: 3/4x3/4 extruded angle (ROBERT SCEPPA) 8. 10:00 AM - corvair motor mount (Bob Unternaehrer) 9. 10:17 AM - Re: Blocked message (Matt Dralle) 10. 10:25 AM - antenna question (john butterfield) 11. 12:03 PM - Blocked email (tinerj@tinerj.com) 12. 02:01 PM - Re: Trim indicator (Clive Richards) 13. 02:09 PM - Re: corvair motor mount (Robin Bellach) 14. 03:01 PM - Re: Corvair mount & parts for sale (Mike Fortunato) 15. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 12/04/05 (Craig Payne) 16. 04:05 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (Craig Payne) 17. 04:57 PM - GPS / Compass (Daniel Dempsey) 18. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL (Paul Mulwitz) 19. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 20. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (Dave Austin) 21. 05:20 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (Craig Payne) 22. 05:43 PM - Re: antenna question (Bryan Martin) 23. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL (Bryan Martin) 24. 06:07 PM - Re: GPS / Compass (Craig Payne) 25. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (Craig Payne) 26. 06:26 PM - Re: 3/4x3/4 extruded angle (jnbolding1) 27. 06:49 PM - Re: GPS / Compass (Bryan Martin) 28. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL (Paul Mulwitz) 29. 07:32 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (William Jeffries) 30. 07:57 PM - Re: GPS / Compass & Jamming or Interference (Jim Pellien) 31. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:22 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: 2005 List of Contributors - Thank You... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Let me say *thank you* to everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists this year! It was really nice to hear all the great comments people had regarding what the Lists mean to them and how much they look forward to reading the new posts each day. As I have said many times before, running these Lists and creating the many new features is truly a labor of love. This is why your comments of support and appreciation have particular meaning for me. Your generosity during this time of List support only underscores the great sentiments people have made regarding the Lists. If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please feel free to do so. There are still a number of the various Free Gifts to be had as well. Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises ( http://www.kitlog.com ), and Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of merchandise. These are three great guys that support this industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their respective web sites. Thank you Andy, Paul, and Jon!! Your support is very much appreciated! And finally, below you will find the 2005 List of Contributors current as of 12/4/05! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser! THANK YOU! I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service. Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful! Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ------------------ 2005 List of Contributors --------------------- Ackerman, John P Ackland, Andrew Ackworth, Robert Adamson, Arden Akerstrom, Ed Alberti, David Alexander, George Allee, Joseph Allen, Mark L Alley, Brian Allington, Wally Allsop, Bryan Alons, Kevin Al, Rupp Altenhein, Gary Anderson, Edward Anderson, John Anderson, Ken Andrews, Ronald Anliker, Mark Anthony, Bruce Anton, Bill Applefeld, Gerald Archer, Matt Ashcraft, Keith Atkinson, Paul Austin, Peter Babb, Tony Bahrns, Stan Baker, Mike Baker, Owen Baker, Roger Baker, Victor Baleshta, Doug Ballenger, James Barba, Alberto Barnes, Thomas Barrie, Darwin Barson, Ron Barter, Tom Basiliere, Rick Bass, George BatchelderJr, Ellery Bates Jr, Marcus Bean, Jim Bean, Robert Bearden, Jeff Beauchamp, Norm Bellach, Robin Bell, Bruce B Bell, Jack Belvin, Thomas Benjamin, Hal Benson, Lonn Benson, Lonnie Berges, Duncan Berg, Wayne Bermudez, John Berner, Walter Bernier, Jim Berry, Bert Berry, Jim Bertz, Gary Berube, Bob Betz, Judie Bezzard, Richard Bickham, John Bidle, Jerry Bieberdorf, Roger Billingsley, Dan Billington, Chuck Bish, Dan Black, Milton Blackwell, Jimmie Blackwell, Rodney Blair, Sean Blank, Stephen Boeshaar, David Boetto, Steve Bohannon, Larry Bollaert, Brian Bonds, Kevin Boothe, Gary Booze, Greg Bope, David Bordelon, Bruce Borger, Robert Boucher, Michel Boulet, Paul Bourne, Larry Bowen, Gordon Bowen, James Bowen, Larry Bowman, Brice Bowman, John Boxill, Mike Boyd, Bill Boyer, James R Boyle, Neville Brame, Charles Brandt, Leroy Brasch, Glenn Breckenridge, Bruce Bressler, Wes Bressler, Wesley Brick, John Brien, Tim Briggs, Gary Brogley, Michael Brooks, John Brooks, Kenyon Brooks, Sterling Broom, Richard Brown, Allen Brown, Bob Brunke, Judy Bryan, Mark Buchanan, Guy Buchmann, Keith Buckthal, Robert Buess, Alfred Bullett, Charles Bullock, Jack Bumhoffer, Al Burden, Ron Burke, James Burkhardt, Michael Burnaby, John Burnett, Ron Burns, Mark Burrill, Phil Burrows, Alan Burton, James Busch, Rob Butcher, James Butcher, Ron Butler, Francis Butler, Sherman Butterfield, John Buyse, Lieven Caldwell, Rick Cannon, Michael Cannon, Paul Cann, Tony Cantrell, Jim Cantrell, Jimmy Capen, Ralph Capra, Sal Cardell, Bill Carillon Sr, Paul Carpenter, Jeffrey Carpenter, Kenneth Carriere, James Carroll, Randy Carter, David Carter, Howard Carter, PaulQ Carter, Preston Cary, William Casson, Perry Challgren, Stanley Chambers, Ken Champion, Robert Chandler, Rick Chang, Ted Chatham, Robert Checkoway, Dan Chelvanayagam, Indran Chenoweth, William Chevaillier, Mason Circle, Roger Clarke, Christopher Clarke, Paddy Clark, James Clark, Michael Clay, Dennis Cleaveland Aircraft Tool Cliff, John Clifford, Dewayne Clyma, Frank Coalwell, Timothy Cochran, Mark Cochran, Stewart Coggins, Mickey Cole, Gary Cole, Gerry Cole, Roger Colucci, Tony Combs, Doyle Combs, Jim Comfort, Gordon Compton, Scott Condrey, Bob Connell, Joseph Conrad, Gerald Constant, Jeremy Cook, Doug Cook, Marc Cooling, John Cooper, James Cooper, Marcus Corbalis, Leo Corder, Michael Corner, Jim Corriveau, Grant Cottingham, Richard Cottrell, Larry Coursey, William Courtney, James Coussons, Herb Cox, John Cravener, Donald Crawford, Corey Creer, Michael Cribb, William Crockett, Jim Crosby, Harry Crosley, Rich Cross, Brian Crothers, Bill Cruikshank, Bruce Culver, Ronald Curtis, William Dalstrom, Douglas Dalton, Bob Daniell, William Danielsen, HansJ%c3%b8rgen Daves, Russell Davidson, Jeff Davies, Brian Davis, Barry Davis, Deems Davis, Robert Dawson, Clif Dawson, Garth Decker, Daniel Decramer, Dick Deford, David De Jong, Jan Delaney, Tom Deloach, Reginald DelPeso, Jose Delsol, Mich%c3%a8le Dennis, Chris Dewees, Ron Dewey, Debbie Dial, Larry Dickson, Robert Dieh, Donald Dietrich, Klaus Disher, John Dominy, Kenneth Donato, John Dondlinger, Leo Doran, Thomas Dorsey, Robert Doud, Herbert Dovey, Martin Doyle, Mike Draper, Mike Dresden, Robert Dufresne, Robert Duke, Gordon Dunne, John Durakovich, David 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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:29 AM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Front Top Skin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R Thanks all! Great ideas! Do not archive Jon Croke wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" You will find a lot of cardboard skins on my 701 as I attempted the first try with the aluminum, and then used it as a pattern with cardboard to improve the fit. The cardboard came out much better and that's what I went with! Jon N701US 90% There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Gower" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Front Top Skin > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > Make a fake one of cardboard first, to get it fit, then use as a patern > to cut the "good" one. > > Saludos > Gary Gower. > > Rick R wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R > > Guys and Gals, > > I'm about to fit the Front Top Skin but the cutout for the Cabin Frame > Front Tubes is causing me some grief. Am I over thinking this? Either I > over-looked it or the plans aren't much help. I can see the same thing > coming up for the Top Cover Plate although the plans depict it pretty > well. > > Not much in the archives... > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks > > > Rick > Orlando, FL. USA > http://www.n701rr.com > > > --------------------------------- > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. > > > Rick Orlando, FL. USA http://www.n701rr.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:14 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Blocked message --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" Same one and only address. bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Blocked message > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > > Are you using your normal e-mail address or another one? The BBS software > only accepts mail from the address you registered with. > > -- Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob > Unternaehrer > To: Zenith List > Subject: Zenith-List: Blocked message > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" > --> > > Recieved a message saying my attempts to post are blocked as SPAM.. any > reason why > > Blue Skies > Bob Unternaehrer > shilocom@mcmsys.com > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:39 AM PST US From: "Gig Giacona" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 12/04/05 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" Craig Google is you friend... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=N609WA http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=609WA > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > > I'm at a small airfield (3SQ) outside of St. Louis finishing (God willing) > my Sport Pilot License. There is a handbill posted for a 601XL for sale. I > know almost nothing about the plane and nothing about the owner. Here are > the key facts: > > N609WA > > 601XL finished in 2002. 114 hours on the plane and Rotax 912S engine. Zero > hours on the prop. Annual: Dec 2004. > > Instruments and avionics: > > Microair M760 transceiver > EFIS-D10A electric attitude indicator (Dynon I guess) > T2000SFL transponder w/AK encoder > Garmin 196 GPS w/mount > DG02E-3 electric directional gyro > > Options: > Strobes > > Exterior and interior: blue and white, like new. > > "This airplane was built new in 2002 and was recently involved in a taxi > incident which prompted the owner to put the plane up for sale" > > Sale price $57,900 > Call Dennis Bampton > 1-800-447-6066 > > Craig again: I asked around the airport for the story on this plane and > was > told that it had been taxied into a ditch twice. That's why the prop has > zero hours on it. I think Dennis is an owner of St. Charles Flying Service > (the FBO at the field - www.stcharlesflyingsvs.com) and *not* the owner of > the plane. The 800 number is for the FBO. That's it, that's all I know. > I've > never seen the plane and don't know the owner. Call Dennis for more > information. All I can say in closing is that everyone I have meet at St. > Charles Flying Service is friendly and helpful. > > -- Craig ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:19 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Blocked message --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa mmm... Did you make your contribution to the list this year? :o) Seriously, you might want to contact Matt and see if he has any suggestions. Cheers Carlos do not archive Bob Unternaehrer wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" Same one and only address. bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Blocked message > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > > Are you using your normal e-mail address or another one? The BBS software > only accepts mail from the address you registered with. > > -- Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob > Unternaehrer > To: Zenith List > Subject: Zenith-List: Blocked message > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" > --> > > Recieved a message saying my attempts to post are blocked as SPAM.. any > reason why > > Blue Skies > Bob Unternaehrer > shilocom@mcmsys.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:26 AM PST US From: victor verdev Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev Craig, I also ran battery cable on right side of fueslage. I'm using #2 welding cable as advised by Sky Tec starter people. I had assumed I could use planes aluminum as ground so I only ran one + wire. --- Craig Spainhower wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Spainhower > > > Victor, > I'm waiting to get my fuse back from > painting, then I'll be mounting the engine and > completing the wiring as well. Someone previously > suggested a firewall bulkhead feedthrough > (http://store.summitracing.com/)for power, I think > that's the way to go. I'll be running four gauge > battery cables + & - along the right upper longeron > to the firewall. Then through the firewall with a > bulkhead feedthru for power (to the > starter/solenoid)and using a non-insulated bolt for > the ground feedthru (with a length of cable to the > engine). I will run cable on the passenger side of > the feedthru to the power buss. I will probably > mount a ground buss at the ground bolt for the > panel. Grounding anywhere on an aluminum plane isn't > a problem, except that the potential for corrosion > exists due to electrolysis. All exterior lighting > and fuel pumps will be grounded to the frame. I will > send some photo's when I get the cables run. How did > you route your battery cable(s)? > > Craig S. > N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235 airframe complete, > wiring/FWF this winter > > > I've started wiring, so far have battery cable run > to > rear fuselage area. Using Sky Tec starter with built > in solenoid. > Where is best place to feed Panel, since Sky Tec > shows > cable from battery going directly to starter? Any > advice on how to wire using 0235 Lyc. would be > appreciated. > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > _-> > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:17 AM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 3/4x3/4 extruded angle --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > I used .125 extruded for my 701. There isn't much weight diff. --- jnbolding1 wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" > > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: "Tommy Walker" > Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:30:05 -0600 > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" > > > > >I'm looking for some extruded angle. Zenith drwgs > describe it as 3/4x3/4x > >.093" > > > >I can't get the .093" to compute. Is there a > decimal or fractional > >equivelent? I found 1/8th but nothing that is > close to that number. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Tommy Walker in Alabama > >Do Not Archive > > > Tommy this comes up every couple months and is in > the archives at length but the short version is that > the 093 is a custom extrusion for Zenith,1/8" is > approved by them as a substitute, additional weight > is about 4# and Chris says no strength is gained by > using the thicker material(weak link somewhere else > I guess). LOW&SLOW John > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > _-> > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:26 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Zenith-List: corvair motor mount --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I'm looking for some dimensions off a WW corvair motor mount for the 601. If you leave a phone on direct email below I'll call in the evening to discuss this. Can also mail print for reference first. Blue Skies Bob Unternaehrer shilocom@mcmsys.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:44 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Blocked message --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Bob, It looks like your incoming post was blocked by the spam filter because your IP address was listed on www.spamhaus.org as a potential spam source. When you logged off and back on, you got a different IP address and then everything was fine. I've added a "never block" for your email address on the spam filter just in case. Sorry for the hassle. Matt Dralle At 04:16 AM 12/5/2005 Monday, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" > >Same one and only address. bob U. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Craig Payne" >To: >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Blocked message > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" >> >> Are you using your normal e-mail address or another one? The BBS software >> only accepts mail from the address you registered with. >> >> -- Craig >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob >> Unternaehrer >> To: Zenith List >> Subject: Zenith-List: Blocked message >> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" >> --> >> >> Recieved a message saying my attempts to post are blocked as SPAM.. any >> reason why >> >> Blue Skies >> Bob Unternaehrer >> shilocom@mcmsys.com >> >> >> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:37 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: antenna question --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield hi list i am starting to finish up my aviornics plan and have a question on antenna's i need comm and transponder antenna's. i won't be using a panel mounted vor receiver, but the handheld function of my comm/nav backup radio. is it worthwhile to have a vor antenna to connect to the handheld? also, the price for the comm and transponder seems to be very wide spread. are the simple (cheaper) models ok, or is it worth paying extra for what appear to be only cosmeticly better models? I don't want to be foolish and try and save a few bucks if there is a real difference in the higher priced models. john butterfield 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:56 PM PST US From: "tinerj@tinerj.com" Subject: Zenith-List: Blocked email --> Zenith-List message posted by: "tinerj@tinerj.com" I have my email blocked, too, when I try to send it out (but receive ok) because someone else on my server does send out spam. This service is available anywhere for free and I use it to read my mail when flying to other destinations. The FBO must have a computer that can get to the internet. Nothing is downloaded on the local machine except web pages (in other words, you email is read, a web page is built, and then you view the web page -- or at least I think that is how it works.) When not on your own machine, use the secure login. The emails are not deleted unless you choose that option. Working on 601 fuselage. John Hudson Tiner tinerj@tinerj.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:51 PM PST US From: "Clive Richards" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trim indicator --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards" Hi Chuck The red black wires to the LED indicator are the 12 V supply and a potentiometer in the servo is connected across the orange blue wires with the wiper connected to the green wire. hope this helps but suspect part of LED array has failed Clive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Zenith-List: Trim indicator > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" > > I have a MAC electric trim (from ZAC). The LED indicator used to work OK, now as you change the trim some of the LED's don't come on, they are blank and then the next one will come on. The ones that don't work are always the same, about 4 out of 10. It looks like there are 3 signal wires and 2 power wires to the indicator. Does anyone know how the signals work, are they a voltage level or what? > Thanks, > C. Deiterich > > > -- > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:50 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: corvair motor mount --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> I have my WW mount on the firewall, so it's easy to measure including relationship to firewall. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Unternaehrer" To: "Zenith List" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:07 AM Subject: Zenith-List: corvair motor mount > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" > > I'm looking for some dimensions off a WW corvair motor mount for the 601. If you leave a phone on direct email below I'll call in the evening to discuss this. Can also mail print for reference first. > > Blue Skies > Bob Unternaehrer > shilocom@mcmsys.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:03 PM PST US From: Mike Fortunato Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair mount & parts for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fortunato Hi John, Somebody bought everything before I got your email (I went in order of emails received, and wow! -- I received lots of them!). If for some reason this person doesn't follow through on the purchase, I'll let you know. Thanks, Mike Fortunato jnbolding1 wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mike Fortunato >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fortunato > >Now that I made the change from a Corvair to a Jabiru for my 601XL, I have a few parts to sell. Everything has never been used, and I still have the original boxes for the ignition parts: > > Corvair Motor Mount (made by William Wynn) $400.00 > MSD Coil Switch $25 > (2) Bosch "Blue" coils (as recommended in WW's manual) $40 (both) > WW Manual $25 (I believe it's the 2002 version, but not sure. Selling the original -- NOT a copy) > > Prices above do not include shipping costs from Southern California. The mount alone at WW's site is $639, so this is a pretty good deal if you're planning on installing a Vair. Contact me off list if interested, and I do have pictures of everything. Also, I'm not a member of the Corvair email list anymore, so if someone could forward this post over there, that would be much appreciated. First come, first served! > > Mike Fortunato > 601XL I'll take the switch John Bolding --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:55 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 12/04/05 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Actually Google is my illegitimate half-sister. ;-) I didn't investigate the tail number because I already own a 601XL. Or should I say I own the pieces of an 80% complete XL an a 100% complete Corvair engine ala William Wynne. But if anyone is interested in N609WA your links should be useful. Thanks, Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 12/04/05 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" Craig Google is you friend... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=N609WA http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=609WA > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > --> > > I'm at a small airfield (3SQ) outside of St. Louis finishing (God > willing) my Sport Pilot License. There is a handbill posted for a > 601XL for sale. I know almost nothing about the plane and nothing > about the owner. Here are the key facts: > > N609WA > > 601XL finished in 2002. 114 hours on the plane and Rotax 912S engine. > Zero hours on the prop. Annual: Dec 2004. > > Instruments and avionics: > > Microair M760 transceiver > EFIS-D10A electric attitude indicator (Dynon I guess) T2000SFL > transponder w/AK encoder Garmin 196 GPS w/mount > DG02E-3 electric directional gyro > > Options: > Strobes > > Exterior and interior: blue and white, like new. > > "This airplane was built new in 2002 and was recently involved in a > taxi incident which prompted the owner to put the plane up for sale" > > Sale price $57,900 > Call Dennis Bampton > 1-800-447-6066 > > Craig again: I asked around the airport for the story on this plane > and was told that it had been taxied into a ditch twice. That's why > the prop has zero hours on it. I think Dennis is an owner of St. > Charles Flying Service (the FBO at the field - > www.stcharlesflyingsvs.com) and *not* the owner of the plane. The 800 > number is for the FBO. That's it, that's all I know. > I've > never seen the plane and don't know the owner. Call Dennis for more > information. All I can say in closing is that everyone I have meet at St. > Charles Flying Service is friendly and helpful. > > -- Craig ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:24 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Ignoring the magnetic fields that I was worrying about too much I think you are fine. Someone commented that aluminum alloys are not as conductive as pure aluminum which, in turn, is not as conductive as copper. But there is a whole lot of aluminum alloy between your battery and the engine. Imagine taking a cross-section of your fuselage and winding it into a solid cylinder. I think that cylinder would be much bigger than any aluminum or copper wire you could run. Just make sure you have a central grounding point through the firewall and a good solid and flexible grounding strap running from the engine block to that point. Like the Braided Bonding Strap and Firewall Ground Kit shown on this web page: http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?26X358218 I'm probably wrong and either way someone will chime in to correct me. P.S. the Moroso Thru-Panel Battery Connector mentioned in a previous message has a Summit Racing part number of MOR-74145. This link should lead to the description: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74145&N =115&autoview=sku Clearly since it is insulated you would use this pass-through for the positive lead from the battery. Moroso recommends you use these mean-looking lugs with their pass-through (Summit P/N MOR-74170): http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74170&N =115&autoview=sku -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of victor verdev Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev Craig, I also ran battery cable on right side of fueslage. I'm using #2 welding cable as advised by Sky Tec starter people. I had assumed I could use planes aluminum as ground so I only ran one + wire. --- Craig Spainhower wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Spainhower > > > Victor, > I'm waiting to get my fuse back from painting, then I'll be > mounting the engine and completing the wiring as well. Someone > previously suggested a firewall bulkhead feedthrough > (http://store.summitracing.com/)for power, I think that's the way to > go. I'll be running four gauge battery cables + & - along the right > upper longeron to the firewall. Then through the firewall with a > bulkhead feedthru for power (to the starter/solenoid)and using a > non-insulated bolt for the ground feedthru (with a length of cable to > the engine). I will run cable on the passenger side of the feedthru to > the power buss. I will probably mount a ground buss at the ground bolt > for the panel. Grounding anywhere on an aluminum plane isn't a > problem, except that the potential for corrosion exists due to > electrolysis. All exterior lighting and fuel pumps will be grounded to > the frame. I will send some photo's when I get the cables run. How did > you route your battery cable(s)? > > Craig S. > N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235 airframe complete, wiring/FWF this winter > > > I've started wiring, so far have battery cable run to rear fuselage > area. Using Sky Tec starter with built in solenoid. > Where is best place to feed Panel, since Sky Tec shows cable from > battery going directly to starter? Any advice on how to wire using > 0235 Lyc. would be appreciated. > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > _-> > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:27 PM PST US From: Daniel Dempsey Subject: Zenith-List: GPS / Compass --> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Dempsey I'm a computer programmer for Northrop Grumman. I've worked on one of our products "Navistar" that is GPS based compass for ships. Not too ironically, it has a magnetic backup compass built in. The point is this. Any compass based on GPS needs a backup. Why? Because the GPS belongs to DOD, and they can and do turn it off for large areas when they want to. As a pilot I recall preparing for a flight about 2 years ago, and found there was NOTAM in effect that said GPS would not be available for 200 mile radius centered around Boston for an 8 hour period. Just another angle to an interesting thread of conversation. Dan Dempsey (central VA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Stutzman" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman > > On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Paul Mulwitz wrote: > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz >> >> >> I have been away from flying for a decade or two, but it seems to me >> that the whiskey compass is all but obsolete these days. With the >> popularity of GPS, it seems to me the only remaining use for magnetic >> bearings is to find the proper runway number and to adjust for the >> offset in VOR radials. > > One might argue the the magnetic compass is obsolete (I don't) but you > certainly are not going to get any plane legally flying without it. > See FAR 91.205 > > Frank Stutzman > Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" > Hood River, OR > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:34 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz 0235 LYC Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz 0235 LYC Actually, the fuselage is a better conductor than the solid cylinder you described. This is because of a phenomenon called "Skin effect". This effect describes the physical truth that higher frequency current will not flow in the center of a conductor but will flow more in the outer regions of the conductor. For low frequency ground current like the starter motor makes there is probably no difference between a solid conductor and a hollow one. However, for radio frequency signals the aircraft skin works better than a solid conductor with the same cross section and metal alloy. Still, I might opt for a large ground conductor from the battery to the central ground point when the battery is a long distance from that point. My reason for this involves the movement of the battery to adjust CG without making changes in the dynamic current flow characteristics of the electrical system. I also feel there might be a small advantage in the amount of "Noise" experienced in the radios induced by other electrical components of the airplane. (In short, I don't want radio performance to change when the battery is moved. I also don't want larger ground current spikes introduced by strobe lights and similar pulsed equipment to find its way into the DC power supply for the radio equipment.) Paul XL wings (recovering electronic circuit designer) >there is a >whole lot of aluminum alloy between your battery and the engine. Imagine >taking a cross-section of your fuselage and winding it into a solid >cylinder. I think that cylinder would be much bigger than any aluminum or >copper wire you could run. --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:30 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Craig, everything has been said about grounds or there a'bouts. Only thing I can add it that the airframe may not be the correct ground for your comms. I have a separate intercom with the jacks located just behind the lip of the baggage compartment. Great place for them by the way, assessable in flight (just barely) and cables out of the way of arms and controls. Only problem was the system just would not function correctly. Had transceiver, intercom, wires and headsets tested, all good. Even the jacks in center plug grounds tested good, but it would not work. Then a smart fellow had me run a separate ground wire from my ground bus bar to the jacks and BINGO the damned thing worked perfectly correct. So there are grounds and there are grounds. Best of Luck, Bill N505WP 601XL-3300w/DC 44 hours ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:59 PM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" You really don't want large amounts of current flowing thru the aluminum fuselage, since at every joint you will get electrolysis, eating into the alum. If you have differing metals, like the firewall, even worse. Take that #4 ground wire all the way to the engine and then to your common ground point. Good Flying Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:42 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" All true. I've seen many recommendations that the speaker and mic jacks be mounted on insulated fiber washers and not use the frame ground at all. That's what came with my intercom (PS Engineering PM3000) and that's how I'm installing them. Did you have no sound to the earphones and no sound from the mic or did you have both but with noise? I can understand if you had noise but it is odd if nothing got through. Could it be the anti-corrosion paint or the anodizing? -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Craig, everything has been said about grounds or there a'bouts. Only thing I can add it that the airframe may not be the correct ground for your comms. I have a separate intercom with the jacks located just behind the lip of the baggage compartment. Great place for them by the way, assessable in flight (just barely) and cables out of the way of arms and controls. Only problem was the system just would not function correctly. Had transceiver, intercom, wires and headsets tested, all good. Even the jacks in center plug grounds tested good, but it would not work. Then a smart fellow had me run a separate ground wire from my ground bus bar to the jacks and BINGO the damned thing worked perfectly correct. So there are grounds and there are grounds. Best of Luck, Bill N505WP 601XL-3300w/DC 44 hours ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: antenna question From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin VOR signals are horizontally polarized, you need a horizontally mounted antenna for best reception of these signals. A vertical Com antenna may pick up nearby stations well enough but not more distant ones, I wouldn't want to rely on it as a sole means of navigation. Then again, I don't think I would spend a couple hundred dollars on a VOR antenna for occasional use with a hand-held radio either. I made my own VOR antenna for about $15 in parts. A description is posted in the archives. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield > > hi list > i am starting to finish up my aviornics plan and have > a question on antenna's > i need comm and transponder antenna's. i won't be > using a panel mounted vor receiver, but the handheld > function of my comm/nav backup radio. is it > worthwhile to have a vor antenna to connect to the > handheld? ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:51 PM PST US 0235 LYC Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin It is generally recommended that all audio circuits have dedicated ground return conductor and all audio circuits should use shielded wire. The shield on audio circuit wires should not carry any of the audio signal, it is only there to keep noise from entering the wires. The shields on audio cables should be grounded on one end only and all audio shields should be grounded at a common point, usually at the audio panel or intercom. This is very different from how RF cables must be connected (shield grounded on both ends and forming part of the RF circuit). on 12/5/05 8:19 PM, Craig Payne at craig@craigandjean.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > > All true. I've seen many recommendations that the speaker and mic jacks be > mounted on insulated fiber washers and not use the frame ground at all. > That's what came with my intercom (PS Engineering PM3000) and that's how I'm > installing them. > > Did you have no sound to the earphones and no sound from the mic or did you > have both but with noise? I can understand if you had noise but it is odd if > nothing got through. Could it be the anti-corrosion paint or the anodizing? ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:03 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: GPS / Compass --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" How did GPS go down for such a small area? Its based on a constellation of whatever satellites are "visible" (out of the 20-dd that are in orbit) at a time. Did you know that there is a Russian GPS system and that there are GPS receivers that can use both? So much for selective availability (the artificial error that the DOD can turn on for civilian receivers). What is really funny is that you have the DOD inserting artificial errors while the FAA and DOT transmit WAAS to improve the accuracy. I wonder if the DOD can turn off the WAAS system? http://www.garmin.com/aboutGPS/waas.html -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Dempsey Subject: Zenith-List: GPS / Compass --> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Dempsey I'm a computer programmer for Northrop Grumman. I've worked on one of our products "Navistar" that is GPS based compass for ships. Not too ironically, it has a magnetic backup compass built in. The point is this. Any compass based on GPS needs a backup. Why? Because the GPS belongs to DOD, and they can and do turn it off for large areas when they want to. As a pilot I recall preparing for a flight about 2 years ago, and found there was NOTAM in effect that said GPS would not be available for 200 mile radius centered around Boston for an 8 hour period. Just another angle to an interesting thread of conversation. Dan Dempsey (central VA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Stutzman" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman > > On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Paul Mulwitz wrote: > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz >> >> >> I have been away from flying for a decade or two, but it seems to me >> that the whiskey compass is all but obsolete these days. With the >> popularity of GPS, it seems to me the only remaining use for magnetic >> bearings is to find the proper runway number and to adjust for the >> offset in VOR radials. > > One might argue the the magnetic compass is obsolete (I don't) but you > certainly are not going to get any plane legally flying without it. > See FAR 91.205 > > Frank Stutzman > Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" > Hood River, OR > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:46 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Man have we gotten off-topic :-) -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin --> It is generally recommended that all audio circuits have dedicated ground return conductor and all audio circuits should use shielded wire. The shield on audio circuit wires should not carry any of the audio signal, it is only there to keep noise from entering the wires. The shields on audio cables should be grounded on one end only and all audio shields should be grounded at a common point, usually at the audio panel or intercom. This is very different from how RF cables must be connected (shield grounded on both ends and forming part of the RF circuit). on 12/5/05 8:19 PM, Craig Payne at craig@craigandjean.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > --> > > All true. I've seen many recommendations that the speaker and mic > jacks be mounted on insulated fiber washers and not use the frame ground at all. > That's what came with my intercom (PS Engineering PM3000) and that's > how I'm installing them. > > Did you have no sound to the earphones and no sound from the mic or > did you have both but with noise? I can understand if you had noise > but it is odd if nothing got through. Could it be the anti-corrosion paint or the anodizing? ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:27 PM PST US From: "jnbolding1" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 3/4x3/4 extruded angle --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA > > >> I used .125 extruded for my 701. There isn't much >weight diff. I guess 4# has different levels of meaning to different people, if the price difference had been $50 a pound saved instead of the $100 a pound the 093 was going to cost I would have gone for the .092 for my 701. So I guess my limit is somewhere between $50 and $100 per pound. I'm gonna try to make it up with a Titanium firewall and firewall stiffners. The corrosion potential between the titanium and alum side skin has only been partially worked but am fully aware of it. LOW&SLOW John ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS / Compass From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin GPS signals can be jammed. The military occasionally uses their jamming equipment during training exercises, this might explain how the system could be down over such a small area. Also, as I understand it, "selective availability" is no longer used by the DOD. That was ended a couple of years ago. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > > How did GPS go down for such a small area? Its based on a constellation of > whatever satellites are "visible" (out of the 20-dd that are in orbit) at a > time. > > Did you know that there is a Russian GPS system and that there are GPS > receivers that can use both? So much for selective availability (the > artificial error that the DOD can turn on for civilian receivers). > > What is really funny is that you have the DOD inserting artificial errors > while the FAA and DOT transmit WAAS to improve the accuracy. I wonder if the > DOD can turn off the WAAS system? > > http://www.garmin.com/aboutGPS/waas.html > > -- Craig > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:11 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz 0235 LYC Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz 0235 LYC Seems on topic to me. This is all part of the soup needed to cook up a plane. Paul XL wings do not archive At 06:21 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote: >Man have we gotten off-topic :-) > >-- Craig --------------------------------------------- Paul Mulwitz 32013 NE Dial Road Camas, WA 98607 --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:21 PM PST US From: William Jeffries Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries Craig, There is only one major issue I have with that idea. If you use the fuselage as a ground plane, at some point you have to connect the negative terminal of the battery to the fuse as well. Here in lies the problem, the amperage draw on a starter can be upwards of 100 amps in rush and easily 20-30 amp continous. Now marry this with the fact that you have 1 sq. inch or less of terminal area attached from the negative lead to the fuselage. Thats a lot of juice on thin aluminum. Bond the motor to the fuse and negative lead, run a negative lead to the battery. Piper does it this way for this very reason. Let's be safe. Bill Jeffries, A&P Craig Payne wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Ignoring the magnetic fields that I was worrying about too much I think you are fine. Someone commented that aluminum alloys are not as conductive as pure aluminum which, in turn, is not as conductive as copper. But there is a whole lot of aluminum alloy between your battery and the engine. Imagine taking a cross-section of your fuselage and winding it into a solid cylinder. I think that cylinder would be much bigger than any aluminum or copper wire you could run. Just make sure you have a central grounding point through the firewall and a good solid and flexible grounding strap running from the engine block to that point. Like the Braided Bonding Strap and Firewall Ground Kit shown on this web page: http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?26X358218 I'm probably wrong and either way someone will chime in to correct me. P.S. the Moroso Thru-Panel Battery Connector mentioned in a previous message has a Summit Racing part number of MOR-74145. This link should lead to the description: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74145&N =115&autoview=sku Clearly since it is insulated you would use this pass-through for the positive lead from the battery. Moroso recommends you use these mean-looking lugs with their pass-through (Summit P/N MOR-74170): http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74170&N =115&autoview=sku -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of victor verdev Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev Craig, I also ran battery cable on right side of fueslage. I'm using #2 welding cable as advised by Sky Tec starter people. I had assumed I could use planes aluminum as ground so I only ran one + wire. --- Craig Spainhower wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Spainhower > > > Victor, > I'm waiting to get my fuse back from painting, then I'll be > mounting the engine and completing the wiring as well. Someone > previously suggested a firewall bulkhead feedthrough > (http://store.summitracing.com/)for power, I think that's the way to > go. I'll be running four gauge battery cables + & - along the right > upper longeron to the firewall. Then through the firewall with a > bulkhead feedthru for power (to the starter/solenoid)and using a > non-insulated bolt for the ground feedthru (with a length of cable to > the engine). I will run cable on the passenger side of the feedthru to > the power buss. I will probably mount a ground buss at the ground bolt > for the panel. Grounding anywhere on an aluminum plane isn't a > problem, except that the potential for corrosion exists due to > electrolysis. All exterior lighting and fuel pumps will be grounded to > the frame. I will send some photo's when I get the cables run. How did > you route your battery cable(s)? > > Craig S. > N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235 airframe complete, wiring/FWF this winter > > > I've started wiring, so far have battery cable run to rear fuselage > area. Using Sky Tec starter with built in solenoid. > Where is best place to feed Panel, since Sky Tec shows cable from > battery going directly to starter? Any advice on how to wire using > 0235 Lyc. would be appreciated. > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > _-> > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:45 PM PST US From: "Jim Pellien" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: GPS / Compass & Jamming or Interference --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" GPS systems in our aircraft are receivers that can be jammed or interfered with. Jamming is, in effect, intentional interference. I have some background on military GPS jamming. I know that there is a jamming test site in the Rome, NY area, and there may be one in the Boston area as there are a plethora of defense contractors in that area. What's probably happening with that NOTAM you mentioned is that a GPS jamming test is being conducted. All GPS receivers within line of sight of the jammer will probably be jammed, even for some miles over the horizon. A 200 mile radius would not be unusual. It takes very little jamming power to jam a commercial GPS receiver because the GPS reference signals from geosynchronous satellites have a very low power level by the time they reach the receivers in our cars and airplanes which are thousands of miles from the satellites. The government would not take down the GPS signals except in a dire national emergency. Such an action would cause a tremendous amount of risk and liability and economic disruption. The only conceivable reason why they might do this in my mind is if there were indications of a global intercontinental ballistic missile attack underway because some of the ICBM's might have GPS terminal guidance modes. The chance for such an event in my mind in today's world is very very low. Interference is probably my bigger concern for GPS. Because the received signal from a GPS satellite is so small, onboard emissions could cause the GPS to malfunction. Make sure you test out your GPS carefully whenever you install new avionics before departing on a cross country where you will be relying on your GPS for navigation. Jim Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Subject: RE: Zenith-List: GPS / Compass --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" How did GPS go down for such a small area? Its based on a constellation of whatever satellites are "visible" (out of the 20-dd that are in orbit) at a time. Did you know that there is a Russian GPS system and that there are GPS receivers that can use both? So much for selective availability (the artificial error that the DOD can turn on for civilian receivers). What is really funny is that you have the DOD inserting artificial errors while the FAA and DOT transmit WAAS to improve the accuracy. I wonder if the DOD can turn off the WAAS system? http://www.garmin.com/aboutGPS/waas.html -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Dempsey Subject: Zenith-List: GPS / Compass --> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Dempsey I'm a computer programmer for Northrop Grumman. I've worked on one of our products "Navistar" that is GPS based compass for ships. Not too ironically, it has a magnetic backup compass built in. The point is this. Any compass based on GPS needs a backup. Why? Because the GPS belongs to DOD, and they can and do turn it off for large areas when they want to. As a pilot I recall preparing for a flight about 2 years ago, and found there was NOTAM in effect that said GPS would not be available for 200 mile radius centered around Boston for an 8 hour period. Just another angle to an interesting thread of conversation. Dan Dempsey (central VA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Stutzman" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman > > On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Paul Mulwitz wrote: > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz >> >> >> I have been away from flying for a decade or two, but it seems to me >> that the whiskey compass is all but obsolete these days. With the >> popularity of GPS, it seems to me the only remaining use for magnetic >> bearings is to find the proper runway number and to adjust for the >> offset in VOR radials. > > One might argue the the magnetic compass is obsolete (I don't) but you > certainly are not going to get any plane legally flying without it. > See FAR 91.205 > > Frank Stutzman > Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" > Hood River, OR > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:42 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" True, good point. A large and thick enough doubler could get around that problem. But I have yet to hear a good reason *not* to run a true ground lead. If weight becomes an issue there is always this: http://periheliondesign.com/fatwires.htm I haven't even got to the point of needing to place my battery for weight and balance. When I do I hope I remember all this. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Jeffries Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries Craig, There is only one major issue I have with that idea. If you use the fuselage as a ground plane, at some point you have to connect the negative terminal of the battery to the fuse as well. Here in lies the problem, the amperage draw on a starter can be upwards of 100 amps in rush and easily 20-30 amp continous. Now marry this with the fact that you have 1 sq. inch or less of terminal area attached from the negative lead to the fuselage. Thats a lot of juice on thin aluminum. Bond the motor to the fuse and negative lead, run a negative lead to the battery. Piper does it this way for this very reason. Let's be safe. Bill Jeffries, A&P Craig Payne wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Ignoring the magnetic fields that I was worrying about too much I think you are fine. Someone commented that aluminum alloys are not as conductive as pure aluminum which, in turn, is not as conductive as copper. But there is a whole lot of aluminum alloy between your battery and the engine. Imagine taking a cross-section of your fuselage and winding it into a solid cylinder. I think that cylinder would be much bigger than any aluminum or copper wire you could run. Just make sure you have a central grounding point through the firewall and a good solid and flexible grounding strap running from the engine block to that point. Like the Braided Bonding Strap and Firewall Ground Kit shown on this web page: http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?26X358218 I'm probably wrong and either way someone will chime in to correct me. P.S. the Moroso Thru-Panel Battery Connector mentioned in a previous message has a Summit Racing part number of MOR-74145. This link should lead to the description: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74145&N =115&autoview=sku Clearly since it is insulated you would use this pass-through for the positive lead from the battery. Moroso recommends you use these mean-looking lugs with their pass-through (Summit P/N MOR-74170): http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74170&N =115&autoview=sku -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of victor verdev Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC --> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev Craig, I also ran battery cable on right side of fueslage. I'm using #2 welding cable as advised by Sky Tec starter people. I had assumed I could use planes aluminum as ground so I only ran one + wire. --- Craig Spainhower wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Spainhower > > > Victor, > I'm waiting to get my fuse back from painting, then I'll be mounting > the engine and completing the wiring as well. Someone previously > suggested a firewall bulkhead feedthrough > (http://store.summitracing.com/)for power, I think that's the way to > go. I'll be running four gauge battery cables + & - along the right > upper longeron to the firewall. Then through the firewall with a > bulkhead feedthru for power (to the starter/solenoid)and using a > non-insulated bolt for the ground feedthru (with a length of cable to > the engine). I will run cable on the passenger side of the feedthru to > the power buss. I will probably mount a ground buss at the ground bolt > for the panel. Grounding anywhere on an aluminum plane isn't a > problem, except that the potential for corrosion exists due to > electrolysis. All exterior lighting and fuel pumps will be grounded to > the frame. I will send some photo's when I get the cables run. How did > you route your battery cable(s)? > > Craig S. > N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235 airframe complete, wiring/FWF this winter > > > I've started wiring, so far have battery cable run to rear fuselage > area. Using Sky Tec starter with built in solenoid. > Where is best place to feed Panel, since Sky Tec shows cable from > battery going directly to starter? Any advice on how to wire using > 0235 Lyc. would be appreciated. > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > _-> > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ---------------------------------