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1. 02:45 AM - GPS / Compass & Jamming or Interference (sort of) (Rick R)
2. 04:27 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta)
3. 06:11 AM - Re: antenna question (Gig Giacona)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 (Larry McFarland)
5. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (Robin Bellach)
6. 07:48 AM - Re: Trim indicator (Chuck Deiterich)
7. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (japhillipsga@AOL.COM)
8. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (japhillipsga@aol.com)
9. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC (Bill Denton)
10. 09:02 AM - ch640 frappr list (Robert St.Denis)
11. 01:20 PM - Nav light mounting (Don Mountain)
12. 02:38 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (Larry McFarland)
13. 03:05 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (bill naumuk)
14. 03:43 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (Gary Gower)
15. 04:25 PM - Facet pump - need one? (Robin Bellach)
16. 04:43 PM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
17. 05:51 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
18. 06:10 PM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Robin Bellach)
19. 06:28 PM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Robin Bellach)
20. 06:43 PM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Jeff Davidson)
21. 06:55 PM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Jeff Davidson)
22. 06:59 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (Don Mountain)
23. 07:39 PM - Re: Nav light mounting (Bryan Martin)
24. 07:42 PM - Re: Facet pump - need one? (Robin Bellach)
25. 08:11 PM - 2005 List of Contributors (Update)... (Matt Dralle)
26. 08:33 PM - SLSA Comparison Chart (Jim Pellien)
27. 08:48 PM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Craig Payne)
28. 09:43 PM - Re: SLSA Comparison Chart (Paul Mulwitz)
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| Subject: | GPS / Compass & Jamming or Interference (sort of) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R <rick@n701rr.com>
GPS signals are used for a lot of other uses than that of navigation. I'm in the
Telcom industry and we use GPS as a timing source for our optical transport
equipment. That way all the little bits line up across the country without any,
(much) delay. We can revert to line timing should we loose a receiver, etc...
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Rick
Orlando, FL. USA
http://www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta" <Stephen.Adams@HCAhealthcare.com>
I have built the CH640, and the plans include detailed wiring diagrams based on
the Alarus. The battery is grounded to the airframe right next to the battery.
I believe this type of design is a common and acceptable practice in metal planes.
It follows CH's design philosophy, keep things simple and don't add complexity
or weight when not required. The most common failures in an aircraft electrical
wiring system are failed terminals and chaffed wiring. The airframe
won't chaffe and hopefully the continuity between the rear fuselage and the firewall
will never be interupted. I have no detectable radio noise, and I think
with the high cross sectional area of the airframe, the concerns about corrosion
due to the current flow are negligible. It won't hurt anything other than
W+B to run a ground wire all the way forward, but I don't think it is a requirement
by any means.
Steve Adams
N621J
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| Subject: | Re: antenna question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
John,
I don't have a handheld but have played with a couple in other peoples
aircraft and never got the NAV function to work that well. None of the ones
I messed with were connected to an external antenna. So either they need it
or they just don't work.
> Time: 10:25:37 AM PST US
> From: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: antenna question
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
> <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>
> hi list
> i am starting to finish up my aviornics plan and have
> a question on antenna's
> i need comm and transponder antenna's. i won't be
> using a panel mounted vor receiver, but the handheld
> function of my comm/nav backup radio. is it
> worthwhile to have a vor antenna to connect to the
> handheld?
> also, the price for the comm and transponder seems to
> be very wide spread. are the simple (cheaper) models
> ok, or is it worth paying extra for what appear to be
> only cosmeticly better models?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 |
LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Bill,
A good point, but this can be overcome by making the ground point
attachable to a thicker material
part like the aluminum tray supporting the battery and its multi-riveted
contact with the supporting
fuselage members. This allows the current to spread over a larger
contact area. This is how I
provided ground from the battery even though all lights and external
connections were ground
returned back to a common ground tabs block on the firewall.
Larry McFarland
William Jeffries wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Jeffries <vair601@yahoo.com>
>
>Craig,
> There is only one major issue I have with that idea. If you use the fuselage
as a ground plane, at some point you have to connect the negative terminal of
the battery to the fuse as well. Here in lies the problem, the amperage draw
on a starter can be upwards of 100 amps in rush and easily 20-30 amp continous.
Now marry this with the fact that you have 1 sq. inch or less of terminal
area attached from the negative lead to the fuselage. Thats a lot of juice
on thin aluminum.
>
> Bond the motor to the fuse and negative lead, run a negative lead to the battery.
Piper does it this way for this very reason. Let's be safe.
>
> Bill Jeffries, A&P
>
>Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>
>Ignoring the magnetic fields that I was worrying about too much I think you
>are fine. Someone commented that aluminum alloys are not as conductive as
>pure aluminum which, in turn, is not as conductive as copper. But there is a
>whole lot of aluminum alloy between your battery and the engine. Imagine
>taking a cross-section of your fuselage and winding it into a solid
>cylinder. I think that cylinder would be much bigger than any aluminum or
>copper wire you could run. Just make sure you have a central grounding point
>through the firewall and a good solid and flexible grounding strap running
>from the engine block to that point. Like the Braided Bonding Strap and
>Firewall Ground Kit shown on this web page:
>
>http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?26X358218
>
>I'm probably wrong and either way someone will chime in to correct me.
>
>P.S. the Moroso Thru-Panel Battery Connector mentioned in a previous message
>has a Summit Racing part number of MOR-74145. This link should lead to the
>description:
>
>http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74145&N
>=115&autoview=sku
>
>Clearly since it is insulated you would use this pass-through for the
>positive lead from the battery.
>
>Moroso recommends you use these mean-looking lugs with their pass-through
>(Summit P/N MOR-74170):
>
>http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D74170&N
>=115&autoview=sku
>
>-- Craig
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of victor verdev
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235
>LYC
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev
>
>Craig, I also ran battery cable on right side of fueslage. I'm using #2
>welding cable as advised by Sky Tec starter people.
>I had assumed I could use planes aluminum as ground so I only ran one +
>wire.
>
>--- Craig Spainhower wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Spainhower
>>
>>
>>Victor,
>>I'm waiting to get my fuse back from painting, then I'll be
>>mounting the engine and completing the wiring as well. Someone
>>previously suggested a firewall bulkhead feedthrough
>>(http://store.summitracing.com/)for power, I think that's the way to
>>go. I'll be running four gauge battery cables + & - along the right
>>upper longeron to the firewall. Then through the firewall with a
>>bulkhead feedthru for power (to the starter/solenoid)and using a
>>non-insulated bolt for the ground feedthru (with a length of cable to
>>the engine). I will run cable on the passenger side of the feedthru to
>>the power buss. I will probably mount a ground buss at the ground bolt
>>for the panel. Grounding anywhere on an aluminum plane isn't a
>>problem, except that the potential for corrosion exists due to
>>electrolysis. All exterior lighting and fuel pumps will be grounded to
>>the frame. I will send some photo's when I get the cables run. How did
>>you route your battery cable(s)?
>>
>>Craig S.
>>N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235 airframe complete, wiring/FWF this winter
>>
>>
>>I've started wiring, so far have battery cable run to rear fuselage
>>area. Using Sky Tec starter with built in solenoid.
>>Where is best place to feed Panel, since Sky Tec shows cable from
>>battery going directly to starter? Any advice on how to wire using
>>0235 Lyc. would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Bill, I'm planning a similar installation. Am I correct in assuming that
when you ran the ground to bus that you also isolated jack from airframe and
eliminated the old ground?
----- Original Message -----
From: <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL
0235 LYC
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Craig, everything has been said about grounds or there a'bouts. Only
thing I
> can add it that the airframe may not be the correct ground for your
comms. I
> have a separate intercom with the jacks located just behind the lip of
the
> baggage compartment. Great place for them by the way, assessable in
flight (just
> barely) and cables out of the way of arms and controls. Only problem was
the
> system just would not function correctly. Had transceiver, intercom,
wires and
> headsets tested, all good. Even the jacks in center plug grounds tested
good,
> but it would not work. Then a smart fellow had me run a separate ground
wire
> from my ground bus bar to the jacks and BINGO the damned thing worked
perfectly
> correct. So there are grounds and there are grounds. Best of Luck, Bill
> N505WP
> 601XL-3300w/DC
> 44 hours
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim indicator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Thanks for the detail circuit description and wire connections.
Chuck D.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clive Richards" <stephen@crichards.flyer.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trim indicator
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards"
<stephen@crichards.flyer.co.uk>
>
> Hi Chuck The red black wires to the LED indicator are the 12 V supply and
a
> potentiometer in the servo is connected across the orange blue wires with
> the wiper connected to the green wire.
> hope this helps but suspect part of LED array has failed
> Clive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
> To: "zenith-list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Trim indicator
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich"
<cfd@thegateway.net>
> >
> > I have a MAC electric trim (from ZAC). The LED indicator used to work
OK,
> now as you change the trim some of the LED's don't come on, they are blank
> and then the next one will come on. The ones that don't work are always
the
> same, about 4 out of 10. It looks like there are 3 signal wires and 2
power
> wires to the indicator. Does anyone know how the signals work, are they a
> voltage level or what?
> > Thanks,
> > C. Deiterich
> >
> >
> > --
> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> > believed to be clean.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com
Craig, it was neither paint or corrosion. The symptoms are what really threw everybody.
The pilot side could hear and talk VOX and transmit with the PTT on the
left stick. The right side could hear radio trans but not send on VOX and though
the right PTT would show transmit on the digital face nothing would come
out. Lastly, the VOX between the two would not activate. Weird, huh ? One little
ground wire corrected the problem. Best to you, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
All true. I've seen many recommendations that the speaker and mic jacks be
mounted on insulated fiber washers and not use the frame ground at all.
That's what came with my intercom (PS Engineering PM3000) and that's how I'm
installing them.
Did you have no sound to the earphones and no sound from the mic or did you
have both but with noise? I can understand if you had noise but it is odd if
nothing got through. Could it be the anti-corrosion paint or the anodizing?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235
LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Craig, everything has been said about grounds or there a'bouts. Only thing I
can add it that the airframe may not be the correct ground for your comms. I
have a separate intercom with the jacks located just behind the lip of the
baggage compartment. Great place for them by the way, assessable in flight
(just
barely) and cables out of the way of arms and controls. Only problem was the
system just would not function correctly. Had transceiver, intercom, wires
and headsets tested, all good. Even the jacks in center plug grounds tested
good, but it would not work. Then a smart fellow had me run a separate
ground wire from my ground bus bar to the jacks and BINGO the damned thing
worked perfectly correct. So there are grounds and there are grounds. Best
of Luck, Bill N505WP 601XL-3300w/DC
44 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com
Robin, not really. I used the rubber washer on the bottom and the fabric washer
on top, but I made no effort to insolate the shaft. they may or may not be touching
the airframe ???? Best to you, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Bill, I'm planning a similar installation. Am I correct in assuming that
when you ran the ground to bus that you also isolated jack from airframe and
eliminated the old ground?
----- Original Message -----
From: <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL
0235 LYC
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Craig, everything has been said about grounds or there a'bouts. Only
thing I
> can add it that the airframe may not be the correct ground for your
comms. I
> have a separate intercom with the jacks located just behind the lip of
the
> baggage compartment. Great place for them by the way, assessable in
flight (just
> barely) and cables out of the way of arms and controls. Only problem was
the
> system just would not function correctly. Had transceiver, intercom,
wires and
> headsets tested, all good. Even the jacks in center plug grounds tested
good,
> but it would not work. Then a smart fellow had me run a separate ground
wire
> from my ground bus bar to the jacks and BINGO the damned thing worked
perfectly
> correct. So there are grounds and there are grounds. Best of Luck, Bill
> N505WP
> 601XL-3300w/DC
> 44 hours
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235 LYC |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
Is it at all possible that the cure came not from the ground wire, but from
simply messing with and wiggling things?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
japhillipsga@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL
0235 LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: japhillipsga@aol.com
Craig, it was neither paint or corrosion. The symptoms are what really threw
everybody. The pilot side could hear and talk VOX and transmit with the PTT
on the left stick. The right side could hear radio trans but not send on VOX
and though the right PTT would show transmit on the digital face nothing
would come out. Lastly, the VOX between the two would not activate. Weird,
huh ? One little ground wire corrected the problem. Best to you, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235
LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
All true. I've seen many recommendations that the speaker and mic jacks be
mounted on insulated fiber washers and not use the frame ground at all.
That's what came with my intercom (PS Engineering PM3000) and that's how I'm
installing them.
Did you have no sound to the earphones and no sound from the mic or did you
have both but with noise? I can understand if you had noise but it is odd if
nothing got through. Could it be the anti-corrosion paint or the anodizing?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Wiring Question 601XL 0235
LYC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Craig, everything has been said about grounds or there a'bouts. Only thing I
can add it that the airframe may not be the correct ground for your comms. I
have a separate intercom with the jacks located just behind the lip of the
baggage compartment. Great place for them by the way, assessable in flight
(just
barely) and cables out of the way of arms and controls. Only problem was the
system just would not function correctly. Had transceiver, intercom, wires
and headsets tested, all good. Even the jacks in center plug grounds tested
good, but it would not work. Then a smart fellow had me run a separate
ground wire from my ground bus bar to the jacks and BINGO the damned thing
worked perfectly correct. So there are grounds and there are grounds. Best
of Luck, Bill N505WP 601XL-3300w/DC
44 hours
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| Subject: | ch640 frappr list |
identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message
has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label
similar future email. If you have any questions, see
the administrator of that system for details.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert St.Denis" <rob@iahu.ca>
Since there wasn't one, I figured I'd make one
http://www.frappr.com/zenithch640
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| Subject: | Nav light mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I am in the process of mounting the wingtip NAV lights on my 601 XL, in the fiberglass
tips. There are no instructions about what goes through the three
mounting holes. There are no screws provided in the kit, so I assume they are
A5 rivets? Has anybody had trouble mounting these in the fiberglass without
reinforcing the inside of the fiberglass with a washer?
Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings
---------------------------------
Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.
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| Subject: | Re: Nav light mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Don,
You don't want to set pop rivets loosely in fiberglass. Your hunch
about using washers is correct if
you don't have any other metal backup plate.
Larry McFarland
Don Mountain wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
> I am in the process of mounting the wingtip NAV lights on my 601 XL, in the
fiberglass tips. There are no instructions about what goes through the three
mounting holes. There are no screws provided in the kit, so I assume they are
A5 rivets? Has anybody had trouble mounting these in the fiberglass without
reinforcing the inside of the fiberglass with a washer?
>
> Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
> Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nav light mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bill naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
Don-
If they're the holes that you mount the light with, you use rivnuts, not
rivets. You want to be able to get the assembly apart again easily. You can
also use nut plates, but they're 3 times the work.
Harbor Freight makes an excellent quality rivnut puller for about $10.
It comes with an assortment of rivnuts, which you can use to practice with.
Get the rivnuts you'll use permanently from ACS or Wick's. Plenty of
information in the archives.
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Mountain" <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Nav light mounting
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
> I am in the process of mounting the wingtip NAV lights on my 601 XL, in
the fiberglass tips. There are no instructions about what goes through the
three mounting holes. There are no screws provided in the kit, so I assume
they are A5 rivets? Has anybody had trouble mounting these in the
fiberglass without reinforcing the inside of the fiberglass with a washer?
>
> Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nav light mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hi Don,
Yes, the fiberglass needs washers to pevent the rivet to brake it when pulled,
I made my own "washers" with scratch aluminum skin and the # 30 drill, Just
make several holes aligned and cut them in "square" washers. make the instalation
holes in the fiberglass and temporary paste the washers in place with
contact cement. then rivet the light plate. Is easyer and faster than driving
around to find the correct size of aluminum washers...
No matter if they are not pretty, they are away from sight.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive.
Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain
I am in the process of mounting the wingtip NAV lights on my 601 XL, in the fiberglass
tips. There are no instructions about what goes through the three mounting
holes. There are no screws provided in the kit, so I assume they are A5 rivets?
Has anybody had trouble mounting these in the fiberglass without reinforcing
the inside of the fiberglass with a washer?
Don, 601 XL, tail done, working on wings
---------------------------------
Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.
---------------------------------
Let fate take it's course directly to your email.
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| Subject: | Facet pump - need one? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
I have an extra Facet 40105 from the ZAC kit as I have just ordered two
40108's from ACS (I'm doing 601XL installation perWW). I'll sell the 40105
for $25, shipping included.
Note: The 40105 has the 1/8 NPT female threads instead of the AN-6 male of
the 40108. Also, the box shows part number 40105N, and I don't know what the
"N" suffix designates.
Robin Bellach, Jasper, AR
601XL long-range tri-gear w/Wynne-Vair 2900, empenage, wings & engine
done, struggling along with fuse and f-fwd
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| Subject: | Facet pump - need one? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
The 4015's are the low pressure pumps...I found these to not generate
enough pressure for single electric pump operation from wing tanks. You
will need the 40106's for this application.
The 40105's will be fine for use with a header tank or possibly for use
a primer pump for an engine with a mechanical fuel pump such as the
Rotax.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin
Bellach
Subject: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
I have an extra Facet 40105 from the ZAC kit as I have just ordered
two 40108's from ACS (I'm doing 601XL installation perWW). I'll sell the
40105 for $25, shipping included.
Note: The 40105 has the 1/8 NPT female threads instead of the AN-6
male of the 40108. Also, the box shows part number 40105N, and I don't
know what the "N" suffix designates.
Robin Bellach, Jasper, AR
601XL long-range tri-gear w/Wynne-Vair 2900, empenage, wings &
engine done, struggling along with fuse and f-fwd
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| Subject: | Re: Nav light mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Don, I know others used the rivets called for, but I used a different method
you might consider. I figured that was the only hole I had to get at things in
the tip and so I mounted the lights with little stainless steel machine
screws. I drilled the same holes through the fiberglass then on the back I secured
the washer (a must) and nut with some J B Weld. After it set up I could remove
the mounts if required. Way I figured it if I ever had to remove and drilled
out, the rivets it would "run" on the fiberglass and require an even bigger
rivet plus I would always have the rivet tails rattling around in the tip
between ribs. By the way, I have had both off twice for painting and testing during
final wring. Consider FWIW, Best regards, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Facet pump - need one? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Not me. I much prefer the 4108's pulling from my 4 low wing tanks (same
pressure but less cumbersome fittings).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> The 4015's are the low pressure pumps...I found these to not generate
> enough pressure for single electric pump operation from wing tanks. You
> will need the 40106's for this application.
>
> The 40105's will be fine for use with a header tank or possibly for use
> a primer pump for an engine with a mechanical fuel pump such as the
> Rotax.
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin
> Bellach
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
>
> I have an extra Facet 40105 from the ZAC kit as I have just ordered
> two 40108's from ACS (I'm doing 601XL installation perWW). I'll sell the
> 40105 for $25, shipping included.
> Note: The 40105 has the 1/8 NPT female threads instead of the AN-6
> male of the 40108. Also, the box shows part number 40105N, and I don't
> know what the "N" suffix designates.
>
> Robin Bellach, Jasper, AR
> 601XL long-range tri-gear w/Wynne-Vair 2900, empenage, wings &
> engine done, struggling along with fuse and f-fwd
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Facet pump - need one? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
What sort of carburetion or fuel injection system have you found the 40105
inadequate for?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> The 4015's are the low pressure pumps...I found these to not generate
> enough pressure for single electric pump operation from wing tanks. You
> will need the 40106's for this application.
>
> The 40105's will be fine for use with a header tank or possibly for use
> a primer pump for an engine with a mechanical fuel pump such as the
> Rotax.
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin
> Bellach
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
>
> I have an extra Facet 40105 from the ZAC kit as I have just ordered
> two 40108's from ACS (I'm doing 601XL installation perWW). I'll sell the
> 40105 for $25, shipping included.
> Note: The 40105 has the 1/8 NPT female threads instead of the AN-6
> male of the 40108. Also, the box shows part number 40105N, and I don't
> know what the "N" suffix designates.
>
> Robin Bellach, Jasper, AR
> 601XL long-range tri-gear w/Wynne-Vair 2900, empenage, wings &
> engine done, struggling along with fuse and f-fwd
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Facet pump - need one? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
>>>What sort of carburetion or fuel injection system have you found the
40105
inadequate for?
The 40105 is rated at 2-1/2 to 4-1/2 PSI Max. The 40106 and 40108 pumps are
4 to 6 PSI Maximum. Two 40105s were provided by ZAC in my Leading Edge fuel
tank kit.
Jeff Davidson
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| Subject: | Facet pump - need one? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
The 4015's are the low pressure pumps...I found these to not generate
enough pressure for single electric pump operation from wing tanks. You
will need the 40106's for this application.
The 40105's will be fine for use with a header tank or possibly for use
a primer pump for an engine with a mechanical fuel pump such as the
Rotax.
Frank,
At the Jabiru workshop last summer, Jabiru recommended the "2-4" PSI
Facet pump. They are looking for 1 - 3 inches squared at the Bing carby.
To me, that translates to the 40105. The Jabiru 3300 also has a mechanical
fuel pump. The Jabiru engine maintenance manual lists it at 3-3 1/2 lbs. I
know this violates others warnings, but they recommend plumbing the two
pumps in series.
Jeff Davidson
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| Subject: | Re: Nav light mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
Thanks, this looks like a good idea for mounting the light socket for easy removal
with a glued on washer and nut.
Another question though. I noticed that the light socket is not grounded except
through the light base, like it is supposed to be mounted on a grounded
surface with screws going through metal for grounding, although there is a grounding
wire going to the flashing light in the socket from its driver mounted
on the wing spar. Will the red or green running light ground through this
connection to the flasher? Or will I have to run a ground from the socket base
to the metal wing spar?
Don
> Don, I know others used the rivets called
> for, but I used a different method you
> might consider. I figured that was the
> only hole I had to get at things in the tip
> and so I mounted the lights with little
> stainless steel machine screws. I drilled
> the same holes through the fiberglass
> then on the back I secured the washer
> (a must) and nut with some J B Weld.
> After it set up I could remove the mounts
> if required.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Nav light mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Run a ground wire from the back plate to ground the nav light.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
> Another question though. I noticed that the light socket is not grounded
> except through the light base, ....
>
> Don
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| Subject: | Re: Facet pump - need one? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Jeff,
You were really lucky. I bought the regular tank kit plus the aux tank kit
and got only one pump total.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Facet pump - need one?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson"
<jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
>
>
>>>>What sort of carburetion or fuel injection system have you found the
> 40105
> inadequate for?
>
> The 40105 is rated at 2-1/2 to 4-1/2 PSI Max. The 40106 and 40108 pumps
are
> 4 to 6 PSI Maximum. Two 40105s were provided by ZAC in my Leading Edge
fuel
> tank kit.
>
> Jeff Davidson
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 2005 List of Contributors (Update)... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
There seemed to a number of members that were having a problem viewing the List
of Contributors this year, particularly for those using some versions of Outlook
and some web-based email clients. Just to make sure that everyone is properly
acknowledged for their generous support of the Lists this year, I have made
a simple web page with the current contributees as of 12/06/05. This can viewed
here:
http://www.matronics.com/ListOfContributors2005.html
Thank you to everyone that made a contribution this year. The Contribution web
site with all of this year's great gifts is still open for those of you that
would like to show your last minute support!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks again to everyone that supported the Lists this year!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email Lists Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | SLSA Comparison Chart |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's on
my website: www.MASPL.com <http://www.maspl.com/>
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
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| Subject: | SLSA Comparison Chart |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
The white box with the red border that says "Comparison of all 22 SLSAs" on
your home page doesn't appear to link to anywhere. How do I get to the
chart?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pellien
Subject: Zenith-List: SLSA Comparison Chart
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's on
my website: www.MASPL.com <http://www.maspl.com/>
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
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| Subject: | Re: SLSA Comparison Chart |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Jim,
I tried to find your new chart but failed. Can you post a direct link?
thanks,
Paul
do not archive
At 08:32 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
>
>I just posted a Comparison chart for all of the currently approved SLSA's on
>my website: www.MASPL.com <http://www.maspl.com/>
>
>
>Jim
>
>
>Jim Pellien
>
>Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
>
>The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
>
>www.MASPL.com
>
>703-313-4818
>
>
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32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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